>be me
>live in California
>fricking hate that I can’t have a rifle that isn’t the mini-14 that’s actually usable
>I want POWWWWERRR
>ffw like a month
>at swapmeet
>guy selling swords and shit who I know brings up a “special offer”
>brings me to back of the booth
>whips out a .45 black powder derringer and .50 cal black powder percussion musket
>ask him the price
>80 damn dollars
>buy those b***hes on the spot
>realize I have nothing for them to shoot
>within the same hour buy caps, powder, and led balls
>have no idea how much powder to put in the musket
>get a .50 BMG case and fill it with black powder as a measure
>load rifle
>aim at cinder block
>shoot it
>fricking obliterated the cinder block
>I am just looking at what is now a 3 small slabs of concrete and a bunch of pebbles
>look down at the musket
>damn
Mfw I took a cinder block out of this plain of existence with a damn musket
epic PrepHole moment put me in the reddit/X screencap
Keep on shooting that proofing load champ.
Much more interesting way to self delete than the usual hanging yourself in shame.
That is unless this whole story is a fabrication. But I'm sure you wouldn't do that.
post muzzleloaders, yeah the story probably inst real but he will be fine every time as long as nothing is wrong with the gun.
>post muzzleloaders
72 caliber double rifle.
Post benis in chamber or fake and gay
>inb4 no muzzleloader
Yes i dont have a muzzleloader yet. My dad got a sawmill and we are planning to make a pair of kentucky long rifles with wood off the mountain side
my dick won't fit in a .72 caliber hole.
That's hard to do with black powder right?
I've seen youtube videos of people filling their entire barrel with black powder and setting it off remotely as a test and the barrel is fine.
Something something black powder just doesn't want detonate like a high explosive, I'm not a scientist
What saves it is probably an incomplete burn
So you're saying he was coincidentally saved by the attribute that black powder is most known for, that is an inherent property of black powder, that is also one of the reasons black powder was abandoned in the first place? Bold claim there Beavis.
BP has a very fast burn rate--or more accurately, it's an actual explosive--but that rare is fairly fixed. Add more powder and it doesn't change much. But smokeless is very non-linear, and it also behaves differently under pressure, whereas BP doesn't really do that. Watch videos of people lighting an open pile of BP and it disappears in a flash but a pile of smokeless takes time to burn. However put that "slow" smokeless in a cartridge and constrain it within the barrel of a gun and now it burns much much faster. Overcharge that cartridge with just a little too much powder and now it burns exponentially faster.
>That's hard to do with black powder right
Yep. For a couple of reasons. One is that black powder's burn rate doesn't increase nearly as much with pressure as smokeless powder does. The other is that the large bore and non-bottleneck combustion chamber (which is just part of the bore) means that the pressure drops extremely quickly.
Yeah because once the ball exits the breech, the rest of the powder gets shotgunned out of the bore and makes a huge fireball.
>get a .50 BMG case and fill it with black powder as a measure
for any morons reading this thread and thinking it's a real story:
do not do this
its literally impossible to overcharge a musket with black powder. all that happens is the powder flies out the barrel and burns outside
Every proofing house disagrees.
if you dont know what you are talking about why do you bother to post verbal diarrhea? ill never understand zoomer mentality trying to argue with people twice their age who have lived through all these experiences themselves
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Sure thing.
what am i lokoking at here a bolt that flew back into someones face?
The breech of the barrel got him.
any proof that was loaded with black powder and not smokeless ?
On the page of from he said it was from an overcharge/ball starter left in barrel. Hard to tell since I think he's showing two different accidents. He also doesn't have modern guns.
I remember reading about muzzleloaders on some webpage and the guy there had shitloads of pictures of fricked up fingers and faces from overloading. I cannot find it now but if I will, I will post some.
That's what happens when you overload inline muzzleloader. Pic related flew to guy's mouth. Flintlocks are even more special, usually the barrel will blow up chopping your fingers off when you try to put shitload of black powder in.
Can I see someone blowing the barrel up of a modern repro flintlock?
Are all muzzle loaders muskets? I'm actually confused.
no. there are muzzle loaded rifles for example, and muzzle loaded pistols, muzzle loaded cannons and so on
How many grains of black powder fit in a 50 bmg case?
I don't know exactly, but they hold about 250 grains of smokeless. BP isn't the exact same density but that should be in the ballpark.
Meanwhile a .50 cal muzzleloader charge would range from about 60 grains on the low end up to about 150 on the higher end. Using 200-250 grains would be excessive but it wouldn't be a double charge and most BP guns can handle that just fine.
This. BP is fairly linear, adding some more powder is usually no big deal. But in the case of smokeless just a few grains too much can be the difference between a totally safe load and very high overpressure.
aren't shotgun slugs pretty much on par with ~.50 cal musket balls?
A 12 gauge barrel is 72 caliber.
I mean total power
from my understanding, both weight and velocity are pretty close, although obviously bp can vary a lot by loading.
Depends on the slug, you can hand load anything that will fit.
Taofladermaus does it all the time, he has some really interesting loads results
>Depends on the slug, you can hand load anything that will fit.
no you can't, why do fricking idiots like you pist utter shit like that? Durr hurr let's see if someone looses a hand due to your bullshit? If you cast a six inch long lead slug and put it in a muzzleloader over a load of BP you'll blow the gun up
>Depends on the slug, you can hand load anything that will fit.
>Taofladermaus does it all the time, he has some really interesting loads results
FRICK OFF ZOOMER WITH YOUR YOUTUBE 'KNOWLEDGE' FRICKING have a nice day DIE DIE DIE
Reddit moment
The 'reddit moment' was posting irrelevent b8 from youtube. Unless you won by pretending to be a tard so gud you really looked like a tard, There's a reddit moment by you for sure.
>Depends on the slug,
He's clearly talking about your average commercial slug you moron.
He's not wrong, he's just missing the point entirely.
It's not "utter shit", he's simply leaving out the part where Taufledermaus is an experienced handloader and knows the appropriate amounts of powder to use for different weight projectiles.
>He's not wrong, he's just missing the point entirely.
He is wrong, velocities from smokeless shotguns and 69 cal muskets have nothing in common,. This thread is b8 based around being a fricking ,m oron and turned into actual moron.
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Frick your youube and your
>I red on the internets that you can put anything in a gun and it will be fine. The man on yourtube told me
>velocities from smokeless shotguns and 69 cal muskets have nothing in common,
They're roughly the same.
>He is wrong, velocities from smokeless shotguns and 69 cal muskets have nothing in common
Nah, he's right about that. Go look it up.
Beyond that you're just getting mad about hyperbole. Yes, no shit it's unsafe to just stick random shit in a gun and pull the trigger, but get the charge right and you can shoot just about anything that fits out a shotgun and there's plenty of video proof.
for frick sake I own multiples of both shotguns and muskets, cast and reload for both. I hope you all blow your homosexual zoomer gaytube faces off
>for frick sake I own multiples of both shotguns and muskets
So how is it possible you're clueless when it comes to their velocities and typical projectile weights then?
> I hope you all blow your homosexual zoomer gaytube faces off
1) I suspect I'm older than you.
2) Nobody ITT is actually proposing doing anything dangerous. Perhaps you have no idea what Taufledermaus actually does and you're jumping to conclusions? Maybe you think it's silly fun and games and it's not a skilled handloader being careful? It's kind of hard to figure out what your point is when you're yelling instead of explaining yourself, and the guy we're talking about is both very safety conscious and prolific when it comes to content.
Anyway,
Brown Bess was .75 Cal and fired a .69 cal roundball at a muzzle velocity of about 1300-1800 fps depending on the exact pattern and charge. A .69 ball is about 470 grains. Meanwhile your basic b***h modern 12ga slug load is 1oz (~440 grains) and travels about 1200-1600fps. Seems pretty damn similar to me.
>He is wrong, velocities from smokeless shotguns and 69 cal muskets have nothing in common
What is the difference in velocity?
Almost nothing depending on how you load. They're both launching about an ounce at a realistic max of around 1800fps.
You don;t even understand how to find your butthole with both hands let alone anything to do with guns and you know nothing about reloading or shooting BP that's for sure
Musket balls yes, but not .50 cal. When people are making that comparison they're talking about things like the Brown Bess or the Charleville, more like .69-.75 cal.
But yeah, that kind of musket had similar ballistics to a modern shotgun slug in terms of weight and velocity.
>aren't shotgun slugs pretty much on par with ~.50 cal musket balls?
.69 cal yes and like shotguns they are smoothbore , 50 are a bit smaller in fact a 50 percussion smooth bore is unlikely, most would be rifled and even less tolerant of being loaded with over three times what is reasonable
>.50 BMG case
290 gr about in capacity, you want to be loading that musket with 80 fffg or ffg but it's probably fricked now, you are also probably lying because u are sad and lonely and a c**t but you gave instructions for making a pipe bomb, an ordinary load will shatter a cinder block easily, an excessive load like yours will generate a shower of sparks but also some damage to the gun, shit like the nipple will not now unscrew or the fire hole may be gunked up, most cheap reproductions are made in India and poor quality so its lucky your imaginary friend did not die
I red on the internets that you can put anything in a gun and it will be fine. The man on yourtube told me
I just wish muzzleloaders had barrels worth a frick. They all use this shallow as frick rifling which basically requires a patched bullet to work. You have to go forum crawling to get the contact information for some random guy in Pennsylvania in order to get a barrel that will actually function with plugged bullets.
Now consider what it was like to attack a British square at Waterloo.
"you mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberries" on max volume
Theres also good US Civil War stories of massed buck and ball shot destroying enemy lines at 100 meters
What is it with homosexuals thinking black powder guns aren't any stronger than bb guns? Are you fricking moronic? What the frick did you expect you double Black person?
OP is either moronic or trolling. always look up what grade and amount of powder to use
Yeah but black powder threads are based.
black powder is fun yes, and it would also have been funny if OP went here to complain about ruining his musket by putting too much powder in. still, don't be moronic