All of you bootcucks think trail runners are shit, but don’t even wear boots that have real ankle support like pic rel
muh ankle support
All of you bootcucks think trail runners are shit, but don’t even wear boots that have real ankle support like pic rel
>mosquitos bite your ankles through the socks when you stop moving
>you get ticks easier
>all sort of dirt, debris and rainwater gets into your shoe when you blast trough the bushes and shit
>glued up plastic shoes do not last as well as stitched leather
Yup i will pick boots every time i go off-trail. Why would i limit myself to only one type of shoe anyways?
>gaiters kill the bootcuck
>boots with extra steps
kek
>wear gaiters over boots
Where is your god now?
But why would that be necessary if
is all true?
>lighter, faster drying, more natural range of motion
Yah totally the same lol
They fit over boots too; moron.
up plastic shoes do not last as well as stitched leather
Find me a pair of stitched, resolable leather boots with a zero-drop sole and a foot-shaped toebox and maybe I'll be interested.
Russel Moccasin Co. used to make such a boot but I don't see it on their current product list. You could probably commission one if you're patient and not-poor and pleasant to work with.
https://web.archive.org/web/20220928123829/https://www.russellmoccasin.com/minimalist-footwear-custom-made/
I don't get the resoling meme, around here it costs as much as a new pair of minimalist shoes.
How far down the hippie rabbit hole do you have to be to have a 'tism fit about "wasting" the 2oz of synthetic fabric for each pair you wear down?
Have you ever seen a landfill in person? Plus it's also about how resoling can be done locally.
I used to go mountainbiking on one when I didn't feel like driving all the way out to the mountains. Decent little park.
I didn't think I needed to specify "operating," but then again I should know better than to assume good faith here.
I thought it was funny :^)
But in all seriousness, my shoes probably represent less than .01% of all my trash production, I'm not exactly going through a pair a week.
I genuinely can't imagine anyone alive in the US where their shoe buying habits represent a measurable proportion of their "footprint". Just seems like greenwashing like those cotton shopping bags that you'd have to use 2,000 times to offset their production.
>footprint
heh
>foot
Uoh
Bootcucks are of zero concern to me at this point. If they want to wear obese white man foot tractors when waddling up their RV campground nature trails, let them.
Meanwhile, Salomon trail runners with relatively flexible soles and deep cleats power me straight up and down rain-slick, boulder-strewn inclines with no problem at all, and dry out completely (alongside the obligatory Darn Toughs) after I completely submerge them while crossing a stream.
I remember traversing this sort of terrain in obese white man foot tractors and cotton socks back in the days when external frame packs were still the standard, and even though I was much younger then, rough terrain was a b***h in traditional hiking boots.
The natives used moccasins; the Aztecs went barefoot and simply developed calluses. Maybe bootcucks should also wear muh traditional long-sleeved, long-trousered wool clothing to go alongside the outdated clunk boots that their European ancestors also wore.
>being this mad about other people wearing boots
Sorry you’re fat bro, hope you lose the weight
He's probably just mad that his favorite Reddit subs are down for the day. You pretty much had to expect dumbass threads like these on PrepHole today.
That would explain the sharp uptick in pretentious behavior; thanks for the heads up
Not to mention that they can finally be themselves without acting like holier than thou divas since they're not going to get banned for expressing their true beliefs here. You're just seeing their true nature come out, that's why they're acting so aggressive while still trying to pretend to be hot shit. The mind of a plebbitor is disgustingly sad.
I'm more mad at boot marketing tricking the inexperienced into wearing something that makes their time outside suck more for no reason at best and imo makes them more prone to injury long term by masking their foot/ankle weaknesses.
>imo
So you're mad because you don't like it. But it doesn't hurt you for other people to wear boots, does it? You should try letting it go; you'll feel better.
>t.
Do better
>people wearing boots is equivalent to the collective well-being of society
Be a salty b***h if you want anon, but boots won't go away.
It’s the same sort of “why do you care if it doesn’t directly affect you” type of attitude.
Zero empathy or regard for anyone other than yourself; a typical narcissist.
>other people should stop wearing boots because I don't like them
>zero empathy or regard
Oh come on, now you're just obviously trolling.
How do you get
>other people should stop wearing boots because I don't like them
From
>I'm more mad at boot marketing tricking the inexperienced into wearing something that makes their time outside suck more for no reason at best and imo makes them more prone to injury long term by masking their foot/ankle weaknesses.
There is no consistent logic to your thought.
morons like you shouldn’t be allowed to be online ever
>noooo you can't point out that my gripe with boots is based entirely off of my personal opinion, that's not logic
It’s not a personal opinion that modern hiking boots don’t actually support your ankle like morons like you think, it’s a fact
>fact
Then it should be easy for you to post links to multiple studies displaying that claim
>umm source?
I don’t need a fricking study to know common sense.
I don’t need a fricking study to go bend the pair of hiking boots I only use in the winter.
You reddit tourists really are insufferable, it’s not just a meme
>I shit on boot marketing even though I bought boots
>I bent a pair of boots, that makes my opinion scientific fact
>if you disagree with me you're from reddit where my posts all got downvoted
Demanding a source is 100% leddit, and only a ledditor would even think of a scenario like "heh, you got downvoted over there, that's why you hate it" to begin with.
That, and all of the content from here ends up on the outdoors subreddits. The reason PrepHole is full of ledditors in the first place is because you can discuss shit relatively freely here without being banned by an eternally butthurt obese man who cut off his penis and thinks he's a woman, then post your shitty selfies and pics of your overpriced yuppie gear on the subreddits.
Everything I know about reddit I learned on this site. Thanks for the inside scoop.
>Demanding a source is 100% leddit
PrepHole arguments used to be a mix of shitposting and autistically documenting and archiving sources. Phoneposters are lazy and make short low-quality posts and their increased presence has led to the decline of this norm.
Here’s your source you fricking nerd.
Boots aren’t even needed for glacier travel
>search twatter for "soft shoe support outdoors"
>grab first result
>"see? That means I'm RIGHT!"
kek
>doesn’t know who Kilian is
>cant tell Instagram and Twitter apart
Wew lad
Why would I use either of those sites when I can just have standards instead
So are you gonna disagree with Kilian and say you’re right because you’re the real expert, or are you gonna just continue whining about irrelevant nonsense like the platform he said this on?
I didn't know of this method. Thanks for posting it. I used the Salomon XA Alpine 2 when I climbed Mont Blanc, and found them just barely rigid enough for me (one section with a steep ice slope around 4600 was tricky). But with more technical terrain these trail runners wouldn't have cut it.
The whole site has declined. It was a cesspool before, but at least it involved effort.
>all of the content from here ends up on the outdoors subreddits
Bwahahahahahaha!
I bought boots for their warmth in the winter, not because I was tricked like you by marketing into thinking I need to wear boots or else I’m gonna break my ankle or something dumb.
Did you even read OP?
It’s literally about people like you.
Those boots have a rigid brace integrated.
Unless your boots have something like that, they will not stop you from rolling your ankle, and all you need to realize that is some basic common sense and to have actually handled a pair of hiking boots, but I don’t think you have either of those two things.
Annon, ankle support is mostly a factor of the sole, not the material around the ankle.
Wow I didn’t think you could get more moronic.
Pic rel must have great ankle support since the soles are basically just solid, flat pieces of wood
Unironically yes. Compared to a soft, pliable sandle, this will offer more ankle support.
>everyone is wrong except me
Oh ok
>doubling down
Are you confusing arch support for ankle support, or are you actually moronic enough to think that a thong sandal provides ankle support?
No. Your ankle is mostly supported from the sole of your shoe. Obviously a Sandler isn’t a good idea as your foot can easily slide around. Stop pretending to be moronic.
And what is it that keeps your foot from sliding around?
The nails, silly
>doesn’t know what ankle support is or how a fricki g shoe works
Bwahahahahahahahahaha
The muscles of your feet all work together to make you stable and balanced, but the sole of a shoe has frick all to do with ankle support.
Pic rel, a literal ankle brace, has zero sole, but offers an extreme amount of ankle support
These two are complete opposites
>maximum arch support but zero ankle support
>maximum ankle support but zero arch support
No, he’s right. He doesn’t like boots for states reasons (heavy, overbuilt for the purpose, don’t dry quickly, etc.) and he doesn’t want ti see people handicapping themselves.
Then make a pair of trail runners that will last a lifetime of everyday wear (as long as you get them re-soled every other decade) and still cost under $200.
I spend more than $200 on clif bars a year. I'm not very concerned about my shoe budget since it's what keeps me on the trail and not limping around my house
So to be clear, you're not mad at marketing departments, you're only mad that some people don't want to consoom like you.
To be clear, I'm saying that the cost difference between boots and trail runners is meaningless in the context of all the other costs you would incur by actually going outside enough to wear them out.
I'm fairly confident I spend more hours per year getting paid to be outside than you spend outside total.
>I'm a low IQ physical laborer
Weird flex but ok champ
Last time I saw my optometrist he was in despair about how much his plumber was making straight out of high school or trade school whereas he had to go to med school before he could start making money and was still paying off student loans.
I've heard similar things but never really got it. They must not have done any manual labor as teenagers to realize how much it can suck. Very big difference between recreating outside and doing work outside.
But also being a doctor seems equally not fun to me so idk.
I enjoy my desk-jockey job where I mostly get paid to shitpost on my couch. Wish I had more than 30 vacation days a year but don't we all.
>They must not have done any manual labor as teenagers to realize how much it can suck.
It sucks if you're out of shape or doing it wrong or not wearing adequately Aryan boots.
I worked desk-jockey type jobs for years after college and I couldn't stand it. I make more money now doing gardening and landscape design and general handyman shit than I did programming (though to be fair that's because the money I made as a programmer enabled me to build my own business). I work more hours now, but I still have more time for my family because I set my own schedule. Plus I enjoy what I do and it gives me plenty of exercise, so I'm happier and healthier.
Sounds nice anon. I don't think I could do it though, I'm too autistic/antisocial to deal with customers.
My manager banned me from meeting with our customers after I called a bluff in a negotiation and they were apparently very upset with my "attitude". They still wound up renewing their contract with us after untwisting their panties lmao but glad I don't have to deal with that bullshit "business" patty-cake anymore
>working 100 hours a week and being proud of it
holy frick wagie level 100 ultimate zogbot status achieved
+5 wageslave buff for doing moron manual labour too
>I spend more than $200 on clif bars a year
That explains some things.
Touché
I will find a non-soi bar and report back if I start start liking boots
there isn't a single resoleable hiking boot on the market except "barefoot" boots with no midsole.
all the resoleable boots that exist like danners wesco nicks etc are not made for hiking.
you can get resoleable outdoors boots for stationary tasks like logging, but thats it. they suck ass to hike in. i would never hike in my work boots.
sounds like you are just too poor to afford a $0.30 a mile consumable.
>I post this in every thread
You post this in every thread, Paco, get new material.
>The natives used moccasins; the Aztecs went barefoot and simply developed calluses.
btfo'd by bootchads, read a history book
>btfo'd by bootchads, read a history book
I took remember the part where wool clothing and boots were key to conquering the natives.
I'm glad you remember that, Mr. Took. Uniforms are important pieces of equipment that help soldiers thrive in varied unfamiliar and hostile environments. Thanks to the boot, every injun I've ever met tries their best to speak one or more White languages instead of that absurd gobbledyasiatic their ancestors spoke.
NTA
Read about the Europeans who expired Canada and were btfo when they kep continuously losing limbs to the cold. It took them YEARS to adapt and just do what the natives had been doing for centuries. That moron-tier level of sticking to traditional gear is a British thing.
>well the dirt worshippers did it
How the frick is that a recommendation?
>Salomon trail runners
>he's buying trail runners with integrated arch support and TPU plastic support chassis.
>he cucked himself
hahahahaha
Imagine being such a weak homosexual that you need arch support.
When brown people go out, they hate on the most PrepHole race because we've been to the bottom of the ocean and to outer space LOL
>blacks
>bottom of the ocean
fellow james stinson enjoyer?
FYI Salomon trail runners were made by white people. Will you now go barefoot you nasty ugly brown little jealous creature?
They are made in China. Chinese manufacturers send them a bunch of shoes and they then decide which they like best and say it was "designed in America", usually by homosexual looking office cucks.
White designers, white creators, chink slave laborers, you seething jealous manlet consumer. In that order.
ankle support is bad form it teaches you bad walking habits
Only if you don’t walk from your hips. By doing this, I swing my legs forward and can easily cover 35 miles a day with a 45lb pack.
What compels you to do this in every thread
The based hip walker strikes again
Get a life dude
Kek, isn’t hip walking a symptom of scoliosis
No, it’s a sign of knowing how to effectively walk to cover 40 miles a day with a 50lb pack and really be tired at the end of it. Get on my level.
Scoliosis can cause a misalignment of the hips, which affects the gait and causes you to walk with excessive hip sway, but you’re saying you walk that way on purpose?
How strange
By swinging your legs from the hips, you can maximize leverage and generate momentum and sways the leg forward. This allows me to hike 45 miles a day with a 55lb pack with ease. This is basic stuff.
What is exactly meant by hipwalking. I have seen some people walking by rotating their hips like they're wadling. If that is hipwalking, have I been looking down on peak walking techniques?
I usually walk by straight posture, with relaxed shoulders hanging a bit back. And by body angled a bit forward. Afterwards I alternate raising my knees for walking with a mix of muscle and gravity to put my feet down. I thought knee-raise-walking was the better of the two techniques.
Anons how do you walk?
Hip walking is peak but you also need correct hip alignment (no tilt, no anterior pelvic tilt).
Rear Delts pushed back, shoulder blades pushed together and down. This way you can carry a lot of weight on your shoulders and back without strain.
If the hip is rotated back (no anterior tilt) you will feel every step uphill in your glutes and hamstrings.
You also need strong medial rotators (glute/hip rotators), glute minimus and glute medius to prevent long term knee issues, and when those are strong you will automatically rotate your hips a bit when walking and your calfs will get more use and grow.
If you are a onions weakling you will walk from the hip flexors and quads and most of the force will go into your joints. All these muscles (TFL, IT Band, Seratus) will tense up then you first get some patellar irritation (runner's knee, patellar tendonitis), and then your meniscus, ACL, or LCL will start ripping. That's where the "you can't carry more than 20% of you bodyweight" meme originated from.
Better go to the gym. It's important to build up your rear delts, then your rotator cuff and infra-spinatus, then your upper back and spinal erectors, and for the lower body you need the build up your hip/glute rotators, the glute minimus and medius, then your lateral rotators, the hamstrings and glute maximus. The rest will work itself out.
>mfw imagining some guy doing lmao1plate single-leg walking good mornings for 35 miles
I'm afraid of my ankles being nipped by a snake so I wear boots
The unironic and literal bootcuck argument in this thread is that big-the white man conquered the red man, and he wore boots while doing so; ergo, boots were somehow instrumental in conquering the natives, and this therefore demonstrates that obese white man boots are superior to moccasins.
Truly incredible. Nowhere else but PrepHole could one cultivate such a cornucopia of cope.
They forgot the part of history where white settlers, trappers, mountain men, scouts, etc. also wore moccasins, because they were superior to boots for traversing wild terrain, but bootcucks are moronic and will grasp at any straw in order to justify their shitty and inferior preferences.
I wear boots and plimsolls with nails screwed into the soles. Feels good to have grip and durability in both light and heavy weights.
To add another some morelayer of cope, or whatever:
>why do boots have separate heals?
>why do nearly all shoes have slim toe boxes?
>why is the heal higher/thicker than the toe?
None of this stuff lines up with the ergonomics of walking. At least I do t think it does. Everyone here claims to have a 9” penis and be an expert in literally everything.
>to add another some more layer
>heals
oh, so you're illiterate and you want us to trust your science man ideas on gait. Ok.
>doesn’t have an answer
Again, and more clearly:
>why do boots have heels that are higher and thicker than the forefoot?
>why do boots have separated heels?
>why do boots have toe boxes that taper toward the tip?
Hint: it’s not a matter of function.
>why do boots have heels that are higher and thicker than the forefoot?
>why do boots have separated heels?
https://yewtu.be/watch?v=JvjROgGbcc8
>Why do boots have heels that are higher and thicker than the forefoot?
You have never spent a day on virgin soil.
>why do boots have toe boxes that taper toward the tip?
Square toed boots exist. They get damaged more easily. You buy boots a size up anyways. There is no issue with pinching toes if you are not a moron about sizing and fit. REI hiking boots, approach boots, modern mountain boots etc. are only meant to be worn a short time. Not for daily use. They are tighter at the front for easier climbing and descending.
>Square toed boots exist.
look for boots built on the Munson Last. Wide ball.
y yall got such weak ANkels that they needs suuupORt?
u know theres homies out hAikin BAREfoot, right?
That is ZERO suprt..
i feel like no one here has every been off the trail lol, wtf do u people do in snow, or water, or a lot of sand. what about rock, and sharp plants, or mud?
i dont need boots to walk on the side walk either, this whole argument is fricking dumb lol
We wear trail runners that are appropriate for the conditions. You don’t even know they exist.
>You don’t even know they exist.
are u comparing yourself to that man? LOL
>ShOe WeArErS nEvEr LeAvE tHe SiDeWaLk
>provides a record holding mountaineer’s account of wearing runners up to 7000m on Everest
>ArE yOu CoMpArInG yOuRsElF tO HiM? LoL
If I told you about how I wear shoes on class 4 14ers, you would just say I’m a dumb nobody with a worthless opinion, so I gave you a somebody.
Frick off
>bemoans ankle coverage
>wears gaiters
NTA, but gaiters don’t do anything to support your ankles.
Dudes wear them in the mountains to keep scree from getting in the top, and that goes for boots or shoes.
I said coverage, not support. See the difference?
You're the first one who brought up ankle coverage while implying you were responding to someone "bemoaning ankle coverage". You're just a homosexual trying to start shit.
No one but you said anything about “ankle coverage”
That guy is also wearing pants that cover his ankles, do you think that’s a problem somehow lol
you dont wear boots for fricking ankle support, OP is a moron.
Muh ankle support is the number one reason bootcucks give for wearing boots
No one but you is talking about “ankle coverage”.
Unless your boots have a built in gaiter to seal the top well, just being taller isn’t gonna stop scree from getting in when scree skiing down a mountain.
You would know this if you had a modicum of experience, but you are just a moronic shitposting larper who doesn’t even go PrepHole
nta but I wear boots to keep dirt and twigs and whatnot from getting down inside my footwear; I can't stand it when stuff gets in my shoes.
My boots don’t have a built in gaiter, so the top is just as open as my shoes, with the difference just being that the top is higher up.
I’ve had rocks get in the top of both without gaiters, but now I just use my boots in winter for their extra warmth
>Muh ankle support is the number one reason bootcucks give for wearing boots
you say that like it makes a difference
I did you absolute fricking twit. I wear boots primarily to prevent debris from entering my footwear. This homosexual OP (as per usual, who is probably also you) started a shitpoast threat regarding the superiority of trail runners and the proceeded to post a picture of him with trail runners and gaiters on which, in fact, makes him and ~~*you*~~ contrarian homosexuals.
Sincerely,
Suck a frick
>I wear boots primarily to prevent debris from entering my footwear.
Imagine adding two pounds to your feet just to do what can be accomplished by an ounce of fabric.
Once I started wearing flat shoes I rarely get rocks in my shoes, and when I do it takes 30 seconds to slip these bad boys off to shake it out. Don't even need to take my pack off because I don't carry a cast iron skillet and 8 knives
>imagine wearing heavy shoes when you can just tape grocery bags to your feet
2 additional pounds? Are you inbred? Of course you are.
>3lb 2oz per pair
>1lb 4.6oz per pair
And that’s not even with a sewn leather mid sole like the majority of bootcucks like to jerk off to
>a shoe with more material weighs more
Truly, a monumental discovery. Guess we had all better get rid of our boots now.
You’re the moron who didn’t think boots were heavy just a minute ago
Not me
Incorrect
>Guess we had all better get rid of our boots now.
Correct.
The amount of cushioning on those speedgoats looks like a rolled ankle waiting to happen.
It took a couple trips to get used to, but minimalist shoes allow your foot to conform around the terrain, the additional contact area takes the sting out of walking on pointy rocks while providing more grip and giving you better balance by getting your muscles closer to the ground.
Look man, I'm going through brush that would tear up something lighter than leather. The rock fields are pretty rough as well. Boots are durable and have their uses. This really doesn't need to be an argument.
What brush tears up your shoes that bad?
Brush made of razor wire?
Woods around me look like pic rel left in the summer, and pic rel right in fall.
I run into patches of thorny plants and bushes sometimes, but when I feel it grab me I can either see it and go around if it’s a lot, or step on it to mat it down if it’s just a little bit.
I’ve had a thorn bush make some runs in a pair of light weight nylon pants, but never even had to worry about my shoes.
Worst thing that ever happens to them is the laces get covered in those sort of flat triangular stickers
Old sketchy desert and mountain mining trails. I like to find old mines and settlements as an excuse to get out and explore. I have hiking shoes as well but sometimes it's better to have more coverage and support. There's no need to argue about this. It's a preference and use thing.
I'll admit I have incredibly loose ligaments so I sometimes appreciate the extra support. Stretchy like my patella was knocked to the other side of my leg without tearing anything when a pick up truck hit me. Like I said, a personal use thing.
Cool. When I'm a few hundred miles from a gas station I like having very sturdy gear. With backups in the car of course. I use hiking shoes as well. Just depends on what I'm getting up to.
i think op's point is that 90% of popular hiking boots do not actually have more ankle support than a sneaker, because they're mostly low cut.
i agree with your overall point though.
only poor gays and noobs argue boots va runners. anyone who actually gets outside owns and uses both depending on the situation. there is no reason to pick a "camp" unless you're destitute poor and should be looking for jobs not posting on out.
See
300 km through mud, shrub, river crossings and sharp rock and my shoes are still holding up fine. At this rate, the EVA midsole will wear out before the upper. Same as it would in a boot.
There's an old fashioned kind of gaiter that they'd wrap around their ankle then up the leg and it was very supportive. Worn with spiked leather boots.
Not having boots in your rotation simply means that you have very limited out experience. Sorry spergs...
>FKT on Matterhorn and Mont Blanc
>wears trail runners up to 7000m on Everest
He HaS nEvEr BeEn oFf TrAiL
>water
lol you just walk through it pussy
>sand
lol you just walk through it pussy
>rock
lol you just walk through it pussy
>sharp plants
frick sharp plants, but boots aren't going to protect my legs that are erupting from my 5" inseam florescent running shorts 11 months out of the year either so I just go around
>snow
Haven't had the pleasure of wearing my barefoot shoes through anything deeper than my ankles yet, but apparently it isn't an issue
Maybe if you didn't weigh 400lbs stepping on some rocks in sneakers wouldn't cause your feet to spontaneously explode.
>Haven't had the pleasure of wearing my barefoot shoes through anything deeper than my ankles
Not really a shoe, but I wanna get Xero Shoes’ alpine boot for exactly this.
Toasty warm, waterproof, with a barefoot style sole.
The overwhelming majority of people who complete through hikes do so in trail runners but yeah I guess you know more than people who walk thousands of miles in the back country.
>thousands of miles
I'd be very much surprised if every "through-hiker" on this board put together amounted to one thousand.
Get better bait Black person
trails, built by men in boots.
>working is the same thing as hiking
Whenever I want to feel like a genius, despite having an IQ right in the center of the bell curve, PrepHole never lets me down
u can hike in flop flops pansy
The only time I wear boots is in snow or on glaciers.
>water
I wear waterproof mids in winter, but in clear water you obviously take them off and loop them around your neck. Otherwise you're wearing a pair of buckets, no matter how "breathable" the manufacturer thinks they are.
>he hasnt taken the barefoot pill
think about it, why would we need “support” to do something that we did just fine for several hundreds of thousands of years?
I wear these steel toe keen boots for work at a park, I love them. Pic related, not exactly the same but the closest I could find to what the ones I have are. They were like $270 but my work paid for them for the most part, just had to pay the extra $30, which is a steal.
same situation here. keen work boots that work paid for. i'm taking these and a lighter pair of hiking shoes on my next trip cuz i'm not sure what kind of terrain i'll get and i think it's worth the extra weight. boots great for brush but my low top hiking shoes are super comfortable on more blazed trails.
why is there a warning triangle on the steel toe
even though the product isnt p*lyester we devised a way to deliver microplastics into the environment
probably a symbol to imply that it's not a "hard toe" just plastic. in other words wouldn't pass for steel toe work area etc. just a guess.
Only the weak needs angle support.
Why would I need ankle support. I wear flip flops in Winter and I’m fat
Mogged
Clean your carpet
Who cares
If you're hobbling around with collapsed arches and pronated ankles you'll end up like this guy
I wear decent minimal boots. But I don't care. I've seen plenty of people wear normal boots all their lives and are absolutely fine. Only fat people have those knees.
>Only fat people have those knees.
I assure you this is false.
i wear long boots during summer because i dont walk trails and they keep water out when there is swamp terrain or water
would hike in rubber boots all summer but they are even more hot and not so good for longer distances
granted rubber boots are way easier to take off and dry but walking comfort is more important to me atleast
Why do boot threads always bring out the dumbest morons?
Let's see your boots
burnt out barefoot hippies versus asvab-waivered veterans with VA prescibed orthopedic boot inserts
my calves are bigger than yours
>buy salomons from rei
>return them before 365 days
>buy new salomons from rei
if you havent figured this out yet youre beyond hope
yes it still works with the new return policy
should i get salomons or altra lone peaks...
Depends on your foot shape.
My foot is most like A in pic rel.
Solomons have a pretty aggressive sweep to their toe box, and fricked up my middle toe nail to where it was all purple and fell off.
I think Solomons are only suited for people with feet like D.
Altra is known for having a large toe box, but the brand is overpriced due to hype imo
No point going name brand for minimalist shoes. Chinkshit amazon ones are a third the cost and last twice as long because they don't try to save .1 ounces of glue for marketing weight.
Knowing they are made by child slaves is just the icing on the cake for me.
>yes it still works with the new return policy
What's the tl;dr on the new return policy?
>thread #328932 about being too poor to afford boots and runners at the same time
LOL
365 days = no questions asked.
must be rei member at time of purchase.
its just as lax as the old policy, except it lasts 365 days instead of being lifetime.
no questions asked extends far enough that you can walk in with a perfectly good pair of boots/runners at day 364 and return them with no defect and nothing wrong with them.
if your store is gay about it drive to another one.
>no questions asked extends far enough that you can walk in with a perfectly good pair of boots/runners at day 364 and return them with no defect and nothing wrong with them.
How much wear is acceptable?
>thread #328932 about being too poor to afford boots and runners at the same time
This is PrepHole's de facto homelessness board, after all.
the more worn out the less likely they will be to deny the return. the employees aren't allowed to deny the return if you meet the terms anyways.
>completes first ever thru-hike of the AT, covering 17 miles per day on average wearing leather Russell Moccasin boots
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_Shaffer
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/army-veteran-became-first-hike-entire-appalachian-trail-180963678/
Soft handed city slicker boots
A pair of Birdshooters carried a carpenter and WWII veteran on the first through-hike of the Appalachian Trail
And now they are pretty much exclusively worn by soft handed city slickers
true but he didn't wear socks either, you gonna do that too?
what kind of moronic rebuttal is that?
best beginner hiking shoe?
bare feet
You need to work up to that.
Anon was born with bare feet. Surely he hasn't neglected them.
What kind of hiking are you beginning to do, what kind of shoes do you wear normally, and to what kind of activity level are you adapted?
im around the socal area, so mainly dry terrain rocky, usually wear leather boots, kinda new to all of this just usually small hikes around surrounding parks
Keep wearing your leather boots until you notice adequate deficiencies to justify buying something else, at which point you'll have a fairly specific idea of what it is you're looking to buy. You don't need fancy shoes for small hikes around surrounding parks, try not to overthink it.
thanks for the info will keep it simple
you can wear basically whatever for casual day hiking like anon said.
i always tell people to 'wear your old running shoes' or 'wear the shoes you mow the lawn in' but if you got a pair of leather boots, sure go for it.
how long you'll want to stick to them depends what kind of leather boots they are. if its something thats a glorified sneaker inside like docs, get your ass down to walmart and buy some $20 runners right now. if they're work boots, should be fine for a while. post 'em for a more accurate reply.
once they're worn out or you get sick of them i recommend for socal climate dayhiking stuff:
boots: merell moab ventilator or something similar where the upper is non waterproof and ventilated mesh/canvas/something breathable. the durability downsides are worth the comfort upsides in socal.
runners: whatever trailrunner fits your foot the best they're all ideal for your use case
>that
>real ankle support
you are like little baby
Ironically you posted probably one of the least supportive and most flexible motocross boots, since there is no integral ankle brace in that boot, unlike pic rel
I like air in my souls for hiking
do you even have a soul?
Wore docs as a line cook, they were ok