The German navy was extremely based in both world wars.
By that I of course mean they were stuck in their bases, unable to venture out for fear of the royal navy.
Galland was solely responsible for the operations succuss. The Luftwaffe intercepted nearly every sortie the RAF sent once they realized something was up.
This mainly. We must not forget the Brits of WW2 are entirely unrelated to the lack of moral fiber homosexualry we see in the teaBlack folk of today. One deserves praise, the latter ridicule.
Tirpitz was a better ship that the Bismarck wasn't it? Just less famous for some reason?
Seeing the footage of the Tirpitz getting bombed and seeing those anti air crews shooting 'til the last sends chills down my spine.
Scharnhorst was the only one that really went down in a hail of naval gun fire. Badass last stand but Tirpitz is probably 2nd, just too bad it was bombers.
Geneisenau, Bismarck, Graf Spee, Prinz Eugen, all kind of had lack luster endings.
>Just less famous for some reason?
Didn't blow the ship bongs spent the previous 20 years hyping up as the greatest thing in the world. Thus she lacks the combined force of coping anglos and wehraboos wanking her to hell and back.
>All the other bombs were spot on except that one >"A force of 32 Lancasters from Nos. 9 and 617 Squadrons dropped 29 Tallboys on the ship, landing two direct hits and one near miss."
2 years ago
Anonymous
Why are you taking this this seriously. It was a joke on contemporary russian accuracy.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Well, I feel it's a tad unfair on whichever pilot that was, lol. Like, dude was an Olympic bronze medallist and he's being labelled a Paralympics also-ran...
I'll be a bit honest: I wanted to build Bismarck but the model ship must have been the only one in history to be out of stock of Bismarck models, so I settled for Tirpitz.
I just like building boats. I've got a 1/700 scale HMS Dreadnought and am slowly working on a 1/350 USS Yorktown (cv-10). I built a Scharnhorst model when I was a teenager, wouldn't mind doing that again.
>Prinz Eugen >lacklustre
homie got nuked, how's that lacklustre?
Meh, overweight for its capabilities like most kraut designs and extremely undergunned for the time period. Plus there is that one time they ran away from a 25 year old cruiser.
If looks are all that matter then battleships peaked with the Nelsons. >but nelsol and rodnol are frick ugly
That is the point. Lookwise, they basically remove all aesthetics in favor of looking like a pair of floating murderbricks with zero pretensions of being anything other than a pair of floating murderbricks.
should have used spare 15in MK1 guns on them rather than the shit 16in. Imagine the grouping she would have got with those accurate 15in guns and 3x3 turrents all together.
A pair of 28 knot battlecruisers with 3 x 3 15"/50 guns (capable of firing the same ammo as the old 15"/42) and slightly weaker armor (33cm belt & 17.8cm deck over mags, 30.5cm belt & 8.9cm deck over machinery) than the historical Nelson-class was apparently what the admiralty wanted but couldn't get because the public and politicians would seethe over muh gun size gap. In hindsight, such a design probably would have been a better choice, even if that sub-9cm deck over machinery is pretty concerning.
>PRIDE OF A NATION! >A BEAST MADE OF STEEL! >BISMARCK IN MOTION! >KING OF THE OCEAN! >HE WAS MADE TO RULE THE WAVES ACROSS THE SEVEN SEEEEAAAAS!!! >TO LEAD THE WARMACHINE! >TO RULE THE WAVES AND LEAD THE KRIEGSMARINE! >THE TERROR OF THE SEAS! >THE BISMARCK AND THE KRIEGSMARINE!
Meanwhile in Britain >The frick they doin over there? >(sighs) >Ok, Nigel, get the biplanes out.
Perhaps because 1) it's the biggest and most theoretically capable ship that saw real battleship-style combat in WW2, 2) the tale of her final voyage was quite epic, even just the bare facts, and 3) the Royal Navy had the best navy AND the best propagandists for 2 centuries
>the tale of her final voyage was quite epic, even just the bare facts
Meh, she gets crippled in her first fight against an obsolete super-heavy cruiser and a greener than grass battleship, tries to run away for a couple of days only to get gangraped to death by some of the ugliest ships afloat during that time period. The Spanish cruiser Canarias trying to come to her aid, only for her to show up too late, is probably the best part of the story. >the Royal Navy had the best navy AND the best propagandists for 2 centuries
Napoleonic Wars era RN was pretty good, but by the late Victorian era it was in a pretty sorry state. Sure, it had plenty of ships, but that had mostly to do with the fact that bongs absolutely refused to remove anything from service, and thus most vessels were obsolete garbage. Add in institutional rot, long peace with no real duties outside shelling primitives with no tech more complex than a bow and arrow, officers being more concerned with making sure that their boats looked good rather than being actually effective warships, etc. and you get the sorry mess that was the Royal Navy at the end of the 19th century. It is a small miracle that bongs managed to fix most of their problems by WW1, even if some of them remained.
>ugliest ships afloat
You fricking take that back >the best part of the story
imho is that she almost got away with it... almost... >by the late Victorian era it was in a pretty sorry state
Probably. But then again, you just have to be less shit than the rest >It is a small miracle that bongs managed to fix most of their problems by WW1, even if some of them remained
A setting sun by then.
1982 wasn't bad though. And watching the carriers come back these few years, that's something. May I live to see them bomb the shit out of somebody, at least once.
it's really interesting how the bong propaganda department has managed to turn the hunt for bismarck into some great national triumph, when in reality, it's a complete embarrassment.
In the battle of the Denmark strait, the germans had 1 overweight and under-armed heavy cruiser and 1 overweight, inefficient and under-armed battleship. The bongs had a brand new 10 gun battleship designed and built by the largest navy in the world and a 20 year old battlecruiser, which pretty much matched the "new" german battleship in armament. They also had 2 heavy cruisers nearby which could easily deal with that overweight german cruiser.
Now, if we were dealing with a competent navy, one would expect them to completely decimate the germans in this battle, maybe get a few ships slightly damaged in return if they were careless, but still sink the entire german task force. But no, so moronic are the bongs that they managed to get their flagship completely blown up and their new Über battleship was so shittily built that like half of its guns jammed after the first couple of shots, so it was completely useless.
The bongs have managed to successfully gaslight the entire pop-history community by putting so much emphasis on Bismarcks final battle, that most people don't realise that this operation should have ended as soon as the germans were first caught. If this battle were fought by the US navy, with the same resources available as the brits had, it would have concluded at the danish strait with a total US victory. But since these are brits we are talking about, that level of competence is wishful thinking.
Bongs don't down play themselves, we just don't hype ourselves up as >WOLF OF ODIN 1488 UNSTOPPABLE WHITE WARRIOR MASTER
like the rest of Europe does.
The hypocrisy of anti-anglo seething is almost comedic in nature when buttmad Frogs and Jerry whinge about how >"Britain was never really a [land/sea/aerial/economic] power"
And >"Britain is super strong, an unbeatable Empire that [my nation] valiantly fought against all odds!!"
Depending on the day of the week.
Let the little dears have their moronic and hypocritical ego massaging. It's all they have to help them deal with the misfortune of having been born foreign.
Let the little dears have their moronic and hypocritical ego massaging. It's all they have to help them deal with the misfortune of having been born foreign.
>least delusional bong
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>Bongs don't down play themselves
Lol poppywiener, you absolutely do; sometimes it's charming, other times it's infuriating as it verges on an inferiority complex
>Britain objectively wins >"N-NOO YOU'RE BEING DELUSIONAL THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN!! YOU JUST HAVE AN INFERIORITY COMPLEX"
projection.
I understand how losing to a bunch of Hobbits more interested in second breakfast than jingoistic self-fellatio could shatter the Wolf of Odin's sense of self identity but that's not an excuse to shit your britches and cry. Try a little introspection next time.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>This guy only has two breakfasts
Is your local Greggs closed or something?
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm not sure you understand what an inferiority complex is...
2 years ago
Anonymous
I just assumed you meant superiority complex and gave you the benefit of the doubt as your comment was clearly complete bollocks to anybody with a functioning brain. Turns out you were just being moronic.
2 years ago
Anonymous
2 years ago
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see
>Continentals have an anglophobic *superiority* complex
The entire world does. They physically cannot stop talking about us and comparing themselves to us, boasting about how much better they are at everything from military prowess to art and food. They are enraged that weak little England has the gall to stand shoulder to them, giants amongst men. So blinded by this they fail to see their supposed size is nothing but hot air.
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Anonymous
>Strewth-upon-Pisswater
kek
should have used spare 15in MK1 guns on them rather than the shit 16in. Imagine the grouping she would have got with those accurate 15in guns and 3x3 turrents all together.
>accurate 15in guns
Hindsight. Even the bongs only knew their 15"s were that good with the benefit of post-war data
Deutschland > overhyped Bismarck and Prinz Eugen
>couldn't even finish off a pair of light cruisers >mere rumour of an RN battlecruiser coming to town is enough to scuttle
No
Let the little dears have their moronic and hypocritical ego massaging. It's all they have to help them deal with the misfortune of having been born foreign.
Blame the fact that you c**ts ruined the continent by not letting Napoleon to have his autistic map painting tour.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Blame the fact that Napoleon was trying to upset the peace and stability of a continent for his own emotional stability and help him get over the fact that his mistress was cheating on him.
>Bongs don't down play themselves
Lol poppywiener, you absolutely do; sometimes it's charming, other times it's infuriating as it verges on an inferiority complex
2 years ago
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That is just the pan-european inferiority complex caused by USA tbh.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Continentals have an anglophobic *superiority* complex, slight difference
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Continentals have an anglophobic *superiority* complex
The entire world does. They physically cannot stop talking about us and comparing themselves to us, boasting about how much better they are at everything from military prowess to art and food. They are enraged that weak little England has the gall to stand shoulder to them, giants amongst men. So blinded by this they fail to see their supposed size is nothing but hot air.
The big bong frick up was having Hood lead the formation instead of PoW which was the most heavily/second most (don't remember whether Yamato had entered service by this point) heavily armored battleship in service at the time.
Hood led the formation because that was what battlecruisers did, and Hood was a battlecruiser; likewise Prinz Eugen initially led the German formation. Also, POW was barely in what they call these days "inititial operating capability" with aforesaid problems, a green crew, AND civvy techs aboard. Hood and POW was a scratch task force because the fortunes of war had it such that these were the ships to engage the Bismarck first.
Much is made of Hood being the supposed "pride" of the Royal Navy but that was before the KGVs and somewhat discounting the Nelson and Rodney, which though they were treaty battleships, were arguably better than the Revenge and QE class
I think that Denmark Strait could have had almost any outcome and it wouldn't be particularly shocking. While Britian had Bismarck outnumbered, neither PoW or Hood was in great condition due to being either too old or too new. I'd say the most likely result if you ran this engagement over would be both British ships damaged, with Bismarck sunk and Eugen either fricking off or sinking as well. But a lucky shot on either side could swing the results either way, as it did historically.
Making a raiding ship at that time was kinda moron. Its strategy was to run away from what it can't fight.
Put at some point your going to need to dock for supply's at which point your fricked.
Cool looking though
>yes, let's build baby battlecruisers when one of our most likely opponents is also one of the 3 states that still has full-blown battlecruisers in service
Guess that luck was on krauts side though, given that they never ended up running into Hood or either one of Repair & Refit.
ACK
The German navy was extremely based in both world wars.
By that I of course mean they were stuck in their bases, unable to venture out for fear of the royal navy.
And yet dabbed on the RN hard by going through the Channel without being stopped.
ACK
Is a mouse pissing itself and scurrying from one hole to the next supposed to impress the owl?
When that mouse repeatedly wounds the owl in the process? Well, that'd be a pretty damn stupid owl to not be impressed.
I think you rather overestimate the impact of the Kriegsmarine both during and after the Channel Dash
If your Navy's greatest victory is a retreat you're not doing great.
Galland was solely responsible for the operations succuss. The Luftwaffe intercepted nearly every sortie the RAF sent once they realized something was up.
Fairly okayish plane Brits ever created
Scharnhorst, Nice-and-Now, and Biz Markee ware indeed based and showed the Royal Navy their own ass on a number of occasions.
The RN deserved it all the way, just her sailors didn't. The RN did. Not the sailors.
Why? Asleep at the wheel like a bunch of gays. Something the RN has an institutional problem with, always has.
This mainly. We must not forget the Brits of WW2 are entirely unrelated to the lack of moral fiber homosexualry we see in the teaBlack folk of today. One deserves praise, the latter ridicule.
>called the ugly sisters
>are very beautiful and not ugly
What did they mean by this?
da juice
>*raid your shipping lanes*
ACK
What are you trying to tell, us, that shipwrecks don't exactly look pristine? No shit, sherlock.
>11 inch guns
>in the 1930s
>tfw no love for Tirpitz
Tirpitz was a better ship that the Bismarck wasn't it? Just less famous for some reason?
Seeing the footage of the Tirpitz getting bombed and seeing those anti air crews shooting 'til the last sends chills down my spine.
Scharnhorst was the only one that really went down in a hail of naval gun fire. Badass last stand but Tirpitz is probably 2nd, just too bad it was bombers.
Geneisenau, Bismarck, Graf Spee, Prinz Eugen, all kind of had lack luster endings.
>Just less famous for some reason?
Didn't blow the ship bongs spent the previous 20 years hyping up as the greatest thing in the world. Thus she lacks the combined force of coping anglos and wehraboos wanking her to hell and back.
>1:05
ouch
found the russian
Anon, that was very accurate bombing for its time
The Dam Busters, you may have heard of them
Tirpitz was 250m long, that bomb missed by a minimum of two tirpitz length. All the other bombs were spot on except that one.
>All the other bombs were spot on except that one
>"A force of 32 Lancasters from Nos. 9 and 617 Squadrons dropped 29 Tallboys on the ship, landing two direct hits and one near miss."
Why are you taking this this seriously. It was a joke on contemporary russian accuracy.
Well, I feel it's a tad unfair on whichever pilot that was, lol. Like, dude was an Olympic bronze medallist and he's being labelled a Paralympics also-ran...
I'll be a bit honest: I wanted to build Bismarck but the model ship must have been the only one in history to be out of stock of Bismarck models, so I settled for Tirpitz.
I just like building boats. I've got a 1/700 scale HMS Dreadnought and am slowly working on a 1/350 USS Yorktown (cv-10). I built a Scharnhorst model when I was a teenager, wouldn't mind doing that again.
>Prinz Eugen
>lacklustre
homie got nuked, how's that lacklustre?
Nag champa
you're goddamn right
what is your favorite type of incense?
Ausgay?
>getting the Tamiya model and not doing the dazzle camo
Meh, overweight for its capabilities like most kraut designs and extremely undergunned for the time period. Plus there is that one time they ran away from a 25 year old cruiser.
They literally achieved nothing, ever.
they looked pretty BASED though
If looks are all that matter then battleships peaked with the Nelsons.
>but nelsol and rodnol are frick ugly
That is the point. Lookwise, they basically remove all aesthetics in favor of looking like a pair of floating murderbricks with zero pretensions of being anything other than a pair of floating murderbricks.
should have used spare 15in MK1 guns on them rather than the shit 16in. Imagine the grouping she would have got with those accurate 15in guns and 3x3 turrents all together.
A pair of 28 knot battlecruisers with 3 x 3 15"/50 guns (capable of firing the same ammo as the old 15"/42) and slightly weaker armor (33cm belt & 17.8cm deck over mags, 30.5cm belt & 8.9cm deck over machinery) than the historical Nelson-class was apparently what the admiralty wanted but couldn't get because the public and politicians would seethe over muh gun size gap. In hindsight, such a design probably would have been a better choice, even if that sub-9cm deck over machinery is pretty concerning.
uboat: 750 t
plan Z: over 180.000 t
they could have built 240 submarines instead and made a difference early on.
>they could have built 240 submarines instead
no they couldn't, because Plan Z never really got far
>PRIDE OF A NATION!
>A BEAST MADE OF STEEL!
>BISMARCK IN MOTION!
>KING OF THE OCEAN!
>HE WAS MADE TO RULE THE WAVES ACROSS THE SEVEN SEEEEAAAAS!!!
>TO LEAD THE WARMACHINE!
>TO RULE THE WAVES AND LEAD THE KRIEGSMARINE!
>THE TERROR OF THE SEAS!
>THE BISMARCK AND THE KRIEGSMARINE!
Meanwhile in Britain
>The frick they doin over there?
>(sighs)
>Ok, Nigel, get the biplanes out.
Bismarck really gets massively overhyped even though it wasn't even the best European axis battleship.
IKR, Bismarck couldn't even deal with a single Polish destroyer.
Perhaps because 1) it's the biggest and most theoretically capable ship that saw real battleship-style combat in WW2, 2) the tale of her final voyage was quite epic, even just the bare facts, and 3) the Royal Navy had the best navy AND the best propagandists for 2 centuries
>the tale of her final voyage was quite epic, even just the bare facts
Meh, she gets crippled in her first fight against an obsolete super-heavy cruiser and a greener than grass battleship, tries to run away for a couple of days only to get gangraped to death by some of the ugliest ships afloat during that time period. The Spanish cruiser Canarias trying to come to her aid, only for her to show up too late, is probably the best part of the story.
>the Royal Navy had the best navy AND the best propagandists for 2 centuries
Napoleonic Wars era RN was pretty good, but by the late Victorian era it was in a pretty sorry state. Sure, it had plenty of ships, but that had mostly to do with the fact that bongs absolutely refused to remove anything from service, and thus most vessels were obsolete garbage. Add in institutional rot, long peace with no real duties outside shelling primitives with no tech more complex than a bow and arrow, officers being more concerned with making sure that their boats looked good rather than being actually effective warships, etc. and you get the sorry mess that was the Royal Navy at the end of the 19th century. It is a small miracle that bongs managed to fix most of their problems by WW1, even if some of them remained.
>ugliest ships afloat
You fricking take that back
>the best part of the story
imho is that she almost got away with it... almost...
>by the late Victorian era it was in a pretty sorry state
Probably. But then again, you just have to be less shit than the rest
>It is a small miracle that bongs managed to fix most of their problems by WW1, even if some of them remained
A setting sun by then.
1982 wasn't bad though. And watching the carriers come back these few years, that's something. May I live to see them bomb the shit out of somebody, at least once.
>most theoretically capable ship
based on what?
it's really interesting how the bong propaganda department has managed to turn the hunt for bismarck into some great national triumph, when in reality, it's a complete embarrassment.
In the battle of the Denmark strait, the germans had 1 overweight and under-armed heavy cruiser and 1 overweight, inefficient and under-armed battleship. The bongs had a brand new 10 gun battleship designed and built by the largest navy in the world and a 20 year old battlecruiser, which pretty much matched the "new" german battleship in armament. They also had 2 heavy cruisers nearby which could easily deal with that overweight german cruiser.
Now, if we were dealing with a competent navy, one would expect them to completely decimate the germans in this battle, maybe get a few ships slightly damaged in return if they were careless, but still sink the entire german task force. But no, so moronic are the bongs that they managed to get their flagship completely blown up and their new Über battleship was so shittily built that like half of its guns jammed after the first couple of shots, so it was completely useless.
The bongs have managed to successfully gaslight the entire pop-history community by putting so much emphasis on Bismarcks final battle, that most people don't realise that this operation should have ended as soon as the germans were first caught. If this battle were fought by the US navy, with the same resources available as the brits had, it would have concluded at the danish strait with a total US victory. But since these are brits we are talking about, that level of competence is wishful thinking.
Tora tora tora 😉
>pretend enemy is much stronger than they really are
>look good no matter the outcome
>look good
bongs have always downplayed themselves and bigged up the enemy/rivals; they consider it "fair play" and "being gentlemanly"
Bongs don't down play themselves, we just don't hype ourselves up as
>WOLF OF ODIN 1488 UNSTOPPABLE WHITE WARRIOR MASTER
like the rest of Europe does.
The hypocrisy of anti-anglo seething is almost comedic in nature when buttmad Frogs and Jerry whinge about how
>"Britain was never really a [land/sea/aerial/economic] power"
And
>"Britain is super strong, an unbeatable Empire that [my nation] valiantly fought against all odds!!"
Depending on the day of the week.
Let the little dears have their moronic and hypocritical ego massaging. It's all they have to help them deal with the misfortune of having been born foreign.
>least delusional bong
>Britain objectively wins
>"N-NOO YOU'RE BEING DELUSIONAL THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN!! YOU JUST HAVE AN INFERIORITY COMPLEX"
projection.
I understand how losing to a bunch of Hobbits more interested in second breakfast than jingoistic self-fellatio could shatter the Wolf of Odin's sense of self identity but that's not an excuse to shit your britches and cry. Try a little introspection next time.
>This guy only has two breakfasts
Is your local Greggs closed or something?
I'm not sure you understand what an inferiority complex is...
I just assumed you meant superiority complex and gave you the benefit of the doubt as your comment was clearly complete bollocks to anybody with a functioning brain. Turns out you were just being moronic.
see
>Strewth-upon-Pisswater
kek
>accurate 15in guns
Hindsight. Even the bongs only knew their 15"s were that good with the benefit of post-war data
>couldn't even finish off a pair of light cruisers
>mere rumour of an RN battlecruiser coming to town is enough to scuttle
No
Blame the fact that you c**ts ruined the continent by not letting Napoleon to have his autistic map painting tour.
Blame the fact that Napoleon was trying to upset the peace and stability of a continent for his own emotional stability and help him get over the fact that his mistress was cheating on him.
>Bongs don't down play themselves
Lol poppywiener, you absolutely do; sometimes it's charming, other times it's infuriating as it verges on an inferiority complex
That is just the pan-european inferiority complex caused by USA tbh.
Continentals have an anglophobic *superiority* complex, slight difference
>Continentals have an anglophobic *superiority* complex
The entire world does. They physically cannot stop talking about us and comparing themselves to us, boasting about how much better they are at everything from military prowess to art and food. They are enraged that weak little England has the gall to stand shoulder to them, giants amongst men. So blinded by this they fail to see their supposed size is nothing but hot air.
The big bong frick up was having Hood lead the formation instead of PoW which was the most heavily/second most (don't remember whether Yamato had entered service by this point) heavily armored battleship in service at the time.
Hood led the formation because that was what battlecruisers did, and Hood was a battlecruiser; likewise Prinz Eugen initially led the German formation. Also, POW was barely in what they call these days "inititial operating capability" with aforesaid problems, a green crew, AND civvy techs aboard. Hood and POW was a scratch task force because the fortunes of war had it such that these were the ships to engage the Bismarck first.
Much is made of Hood being the supposed "pride" of the Royal Navy but that was before the KGVs and somewhat discounting the Nelson and Rodney, which though they were treaty battleships, were arguably better than the Revenge and QE class
I think that Denmark Strait could have had almost any outcome and it wouldn't be particularly shocking. While Britian had Bismarck outnumbered, neither PoW or Hood was in great condition due to being either too old or too new. I'd say the most likely result if you ran this engagement over would be both British ships damaged, with Bismarck sunk and Eugen either fricking off or sinking as well. But a lucky shot on either side could swing the results either way, as it did historically.
Unrelated stupid image
>goes to norway
>dies
somehow not surprirsing, the captain of the tirpitz should have known better and avoid that accursed shithole
Making a raiding ship at that time was kinda moron. Its strategy was to run away from what it can't fight.
Put at some point your going to need to dock for supply's at which point your fricked.
Cool looking though
Deutschland > overhyped Bismarck and Prinz Eugen
>yes, let's build baby battlecruisers when one of our most likely opponents is also one of the 3 states that still has full-blown battlecruisers in service
Guess that luck was on krauts side though, given that they never ended up running into Hood or either one of Repair & Refit.
>doesn't know when it was designed and for what reason
Glad I bought this before they were gone. I grabbed a few of the big WWII Cobi sets for future christmas/ birthday gifts for my kids.