MOSCOW ($1=61.50 Russian Rubles) Russia is preparing to throw all possible means to maintain the number of its weapons systems in Ukraine.

MOSCOW ($1=61.50 Russian Rubles) — Russia is preparing to throw all possible means to maintain the number of its weapons systems in Ukraine. For this reason, the largest tank manufacturer in Russia – UralVagonZavod introduced overtime for its workers.

https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2022/09/11/russia-will-spit-out-tanks-continuously-introduced-overtime/?fbclid=IwAR1ZThO8KJ9YxGz3PKAD8bHZ5XNzbUDw6uS6Ap1-7g3NOxtEDjbcoUlpvNs

The plant in Nizhny Tagil issued an order for a special regime for production workplaces. According to the order, overtime work will have to ensure the provision of the Russian army. Last but not least, the additional working hours must ensure the supply of tanks under contracts [it is not mentioned whether it is a contract with other countries or only contracts with Moscow].

UralVagonZavod will pay double overtime to the workers, the order also says. Zada motivated, even more, the employees of the plant, the general director Alexander Potapov increased the salaries of the employees by 35% [the value of wages in the plant is not mentioned].

Thread question:
What are the impliactions of Russia overproducing tanks WW2 style? Will they bankrupt themselves before the end of the war ? It is even possible at this point for Russia to launch a large offensive ?

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    > Shestakov added that “certain quantities” of BMP-3, BMP-2, BTR-82A, and BTR-80 will be sent to Ukraine as well. He also said that Russia does not have a shortage of tanks, on the contrary – the tank companies are provided with the necessary equipment. Shestakov confirmed that UralVagonZavod currently produces T-90M, T-80BVM, and T-72B3M. Additional armored vehicles such as BMP-3, BMP-2M, and BMD-4M combat vehicles are produced on the production lines.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      whatever they make, it wouldn't arrive on time to make a difference in the war, and it wouldn't have proper sensors.
      Not to mention trained crews or how they're used in combat .

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > T-90M, T-80BVM, and T-72B3M
      why are they so obsessed with producing(more like repainting old soviet stocks) of the same retarded fucking design. even the Russian army was begging the kremlin to stop and allocate funds for a new vehicle that dosent explode on contact with the enemy...but they still fucking persist ad absurdum

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Seriously. The soviet tanks with ammo carrousels are the Ford Pinto of armoured warfare.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Not at all. Pintos only burned under specific conditions that were more common than other compacts, but not by a large degree. The entire T-72 family are pretty much guaranteed to detonate if anything gets near the ammo carousel. It's a baaaaaad tank for the kind of military Russia has, especially in 2022.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Because they cant build anything else. Be it that they dont have the european parts or the knowledge to build anything beyond their signature tanks.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What else would they even build? They don't have any other design, anon.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Reddit moment.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Russia ended T-80 line 20 years ago. Restarting it in few month is impossible, they are likely refurbishing old stock of rusted buckets

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/ETWUXcQ.jpg

      MOSCOW ($1=61.50 Russian Rubles) — Russia is preparing to throw all possible means to maintain the number of its weapons systems in Ukraine. For this reason, the largest tank manufacturer in Russia – UralVagonZavod introduced overtime for its workers.

      https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2022/09/11/russia-will-spit-out-tanks-continuously-introduced-overtime/?fbclid=IwAR1ZThO8KJ9YxGz3PKAD8bHZ5XNzbUDw6uS6Ap1-7g3NOxtEDjbcoUlpvNs

      The plant in Nizhny Tagil issued an order for a special regime for production workplaces. According to the order, overtime work will have to ensure the provision of the Russian army. Last but not least, the additional working hours must ensure the supply of tanks under contracts [it is not mentioned whether it is a contract with other countries or only contracts with Moscow].

      UralVagonZavod will pay double overtime to the workers, the order also says. Zada motivated, even more, the employees of the plant, the general director Alexander Potapov increased the salaries of the employees by 35% [the value of wages in the plant is not mentioned].

      Thread question:
      What are the impliactions of Russia overproducing tanks WW2 style? Will they bankrupt themselves before the end of the war ? It is even possible at this point for Russia to launch a large offensive ?

      Keep in mind, no western tech now. So no electronics, no optics, etc. Those tanks will be the gimp version of what they are now

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    wasn't russia pressuring them to restart fucking BMP-2 production? Oryx's list shows they lost 434 so far, that's pretty fucking bad.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They had like 20,000 of them, I wouldn't be too worried. I suspect the much bigger problem for Russia is finding men to put in the back without some sort of mobilization.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      osint shills nothing what they say is a objectice fact

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >They include photographic evidence with every single claim
        >This isn't enough for the vatnik
        There really is no convincing vatniks of anything, Putin's dick is too far their throats. Well it simplifies how we deal with them when Moscow falls, they have to get the rope I guess

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          cmon he is payed by nato

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            And you do it for free?

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Good luck producing 'finished' tanks without those western components.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They'll get knock off chink stuff off aliexpress

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    We T34s now

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    More tanks to abandoon?

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    so we might see some armatas?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's a good question I reckon. Particularly with T-80BVMs, which are a top-tier tank, getting spammed. If you're going to build the expensive one anyway why not build the new expensive one?

      And yet the ~~*Western*~~ media said the plant had shut down like two weeks into the war lmao. Looks like they were wrong yet AGAIN. Just like 'Russia is running out of ammunition' and 'Russia's economy will collapse by August' LMAO. Meanwhile Europe is preparing for tens of thousands of deaths from the cold lmao.

      Journalists are morons, this is not news. It was obvious Russia was not going to be starved out of the war, certainly not with China and India refusing to participate in sanctions. So obvious you'd need a degree in journalism to miss it.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Because they can't build more armatas due to the sanctions.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Unironically believing CNN's editorials about Russian tank production
          Who's the bigger fool, the fool? Or the fool that follows him?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Its fools all the way down

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            the retard still thinking the Armata is going into serial production when the order for 2200 was paused for 6 years, reduced to 220, then cancelled in 2022 after only producing 20 examples.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >the retard still thinking the Armata is going into serial production
              Who's that? Nobody is saying they're producing Armata, the question being asked is why don't they if they're going to ramp up production of the T-80BVM (which has a similar cost) anyway.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Because the Armata literally doesn't exist. The exhibition models are literal Potemkin tanks and their capabilities only exist in Powerpoint slides (but they probably lost their o365 licenses due to sanctions lol).

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Dumb post.

                You clearly dont know how economics work either, so shut the fuck up you absolute retard.

                Yes I do. It's you engineers that never get it.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Because they can't build more armatas due to the sanctions.
          They can't build fucking anything that will work on semi fucking modern battlefield like Ukraine. Keep in mind that like 90% of their NV and thermalimaging equipment were from build based on parts imported from France, special steel and special steel made parts were imported via some proxy fake firms from Germany and Japan and even fucking paints were imported (Hungary). And ironically enough, critical engine parts were imported from Ukraine.
          Russian industry is a fucking farse, it's fall apart after SU collapse and since then they just covered ruins with some old tarpaulin and pretending that it's a new factory builded

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What's their excuse for not building them before sanctions?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            2014 sanctions already killed the armata

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Too expensive.
            Which has been Russia's tank production all the way back to the 1920s. They're like Microsoft Windows, only instead of every second version being shit, every second version is game changing and revolutionary, but too expensive, so they invent an almost as good but much cheaper version and produce that.

            KV -> T-34
            T-44 -> T-55
            T-64 -> T-72
            T-80 -> T-90
            T-14 -> ???

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              why does 80 points towards 90?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Fucking figure it out.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                please do elaborate. Is 90 the almost as good but much cheaper version?
                44/55 also is stange, I cant tell which one is the game changer

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Is 90 the almost as good but much cheaper version?
                Yes.
                >44/55 also is stange, I cant tell which one is the game changer
                The 44

                You're too fucking stupid to even get the joke. Do you even know how much time it needs to build a foundry like that?

                >Do you even know how much time it needs to build a foundry like that?
                I'm guess as a rush-job with full government support, 18 months. That's a guess. It's not the point anyway, the point is however long it takes, they've already started.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >18 months

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >18 months
                Probably more like 18 years unless someone's willing to give them most of the tech.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >someone's willing to give them most of the tech.
                Or they steal it and get it done even faster.
                It's called the catch-up effect. It's how Japan went from producing cheap plastic crap in the 60s to being the technological world leader in the 90s.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Just steal it lmao
                moron, Russia couldn't build a chip foundry for i9s in a hundred years even if you gave them the blueprint right now.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >18 months

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/pn5xaYi.jpg

                >18 months

                >18 months
                Probably more like 18 years unless someone's willing to give them most of the tech.

                Listen 'ere bub! Back in my day we built a tool factory in 2 weeks when we got a government contract! It's that simple, you put your mind to it. No wonder you youngsters don't know anything about anything.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Let me explain what the problem is for a complete retard like yourself, in the most simple terms. The problem isn't that Russia lacks the infrastructure to make complex chips, it's that it lacks the infrastructure to make the machines that make the machines that make the machines that make the machines that make the machines that make the machines that complex chips, and no one is going to sell them any part of that nor provide them any knowledge on how to do so. Russia is going to have to completely reinvent the entire microchip industry on their own, all of the precision manufacturing techniques and equipment that lead to the ability to make said microchips, and so many more hurdles that can't just be solved by throwing money at it because the US will slap sanctions on whoever sells it to them.

                Russia is currently undergoing the thought experiment of 'what could a gunsmith make if he was dropped into the 1400s' and you're the retard saying he could crank out M16s with his knowledge without understanding how many intermediate technologies are required even if you have knowledge of what the final product is supposed to look like.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're talking to a boomer that clearly has no idea what R&D is.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Let me explain what
                LET ME EXPLAIN SOMETHING EVEN MORE PROFOUND

                The human race did not have the capability to build 2micron IC a hundred years ago.
                It does have it today.
                That wasn't magic. That was market processes.

                So shove up your fucking arse you dumb fucking engineer, you expect to be paid just like everyone else, which means you need someone like me to tell you what to do.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Trying too hard.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >18 months
                This is the funniest thing I've heard a day.
                Protip: China just spent 100 billion poaching tsmc engineers and trying to break into chips and it still wasn't enough. There's a truly vast network of suppliers and everything needs to be organized years in advance. For cutting edge, decades.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >overproducing tanks WW2 style
    Yeah no

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    And yet the ~~*Western*~~ media said the plant had shut down like two weeks into the war lmao. Looks like they were wrong yet AGAIN. Just like 'Russia is running out of ammunition' and 'Russia's economy will collapse by August' LMAO. Meanwhile Europe is preparing for tens of thousands of deaths from the cold lmao.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      2 more weeks til Europe freezes trust the plan Z

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Europoors can still put an extra blanket on their bed, vatniks on the other hand will die under an extra layer of mud this winter

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Muh winter
      The final cope.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Europe is preparing for tens of thousands of deaths from the cold
      or they can just put on a sweater

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        help help Im already freezing to death, pls turn the gas back on

        >A fresh Javelin has never missed a succsessful lock on a tank.
        lol, yeah that certainly sounds like a provable claim.

        I don't keep the videos but there was a video of a Javilin fired at a tank at close range that didn't detonate because it didn't reach minimum arming distance. So that's ONE Javelin that didn't achieve a kill. Therefor not all Javelins will achieve kills.
        QED.

        proove otherwise gay or shut the fuck up and stop posting moron

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >proove otherwise gay
          It's your claim moron. Burden of proof is on you.
          And I did prove otherwise.
          So you're fucked both ways.

          god you're a dumb shit
          THE ENGINEER IS TELLING YOU IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT YOU CAN PAY, THAT THIS IS NOT A MONEY PROBLEM. THIS IS A PROBLEM OF THE MATERIALS, MACHINERY, AND EXPERTISE NOT EXISTING TO EVEN FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE THE CHIPS OR HOW TO MAKE THE FACILITIES TO MAKE THE CHIPS, LET ALONE ACTUALLY FUCKING MAKE THEM.

          YOU CAN'T JUST SOLVE EVERY FUCKING ISSUE WITH PAYING PEOPLE MORE, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU LACK THE FOUNDATIONAL KNOWLEDGE TO EVEN BEGIN TACKLING THE FOUNDATIONAL PROBLEMS YOU WANT THE ENGINEERS TO TACKLE.

          LET ME PUT IT IN A WAY A DUMBFUCK LIKE YOU CAN PERHAPS PARSE; TOILETS TO IMPROVE SANITATION FOR YOUR HOME IN BUMFUCK NOWHERE THIRD WORLD, WHERE THERE ARE NO STORES TO BUY TOILETS. YOU CAN SAY "I'LL JUST PAY SOMEONE TO MAKE A TOILET," BUT WHEN YOUR FOUNDATIONAL BASIS FOR SANITATION IS A FUCKING OUT HOUSE, A FUCKING HOLE IN THE GROUND WITH A BOARD OVER IT, AND RUNNING WATER IS A LUXURY, IT'S GONNA BE REALLY FUCKING HARD TO DESIGN YOUR NEW TOILET, LET ALONE FUCKING HAVE IT ACTUALLY WORK OR CAST FUCKING PORCELAIN

          [...]
          >le catchup
          SO NOW YOU DECIDE TO GO STEAL A FUCKING TOILET, CONGRADULATIONS, YOU HAVE A FUCKING BLACK BOX THAT YOU MAY BE ABLE TO THEORIZE HOW IT WORKS, YOU STILL HAVE NO IDEA HOW TO FUCKING MAKE IT OR HAVE IT ACTUALLY WORK BECAUSE YOU STILL CAN'T CAST PORCELAIN AND YOU AVE NO RUNNING WATER.

          AND THE ECONOMIST IS TELLING THE ENGINEER THAT RUSSIA HAS ENGINEERS TOO.

          >there was a video of a Javilin fired at a tank at close range that didn't detonate because it didn't reach minimum arming distance
          that was an NLAW, not a Jav and the video was from Mariupol

          I know that video and it was an NLAW, retard

          Who gives a shit the point is made.
          One weapon does not equal one kill. Statistically speaking it's about a thousand to one.
          For bullets it's 65.000 5.56 rounds to kill ONE enemy soldier.

          Not the guy you are replying too, but you are impressively retarded. China has been trying to achieve chip parity with the West for many years and it can't manage. In terms of domestic chip production Russia is like 30 years behind China.

          They won't be able to catch up in decades. Muh economics is a cope. Processor manufacturing is extremely complicated and throwing just some oil money at the problem isn't gonna fix it.

          For reference, see the American CHIPS act. Due the situation surrounding Taiwan even the USA is trying to move chips production to the USA, but it isn't easy.

          >China has been trying to achieve chip parity with the West for many years and it can't manage.
          Firstly by "the west" you mean taiwan. My computer didn't come from Britain.
          Secondly, many years ago China couldn't manufacture it's own cars. They're are actually catching up, because of the catch-up effect.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >AND THE ECONOMIST IS TELLING THE ENGINEER THAT RUSSIA HAS ENGINEERS TOO.
            AND THE ENGINEER, BEING SAID ENGINEER, SLAMS HIS HEAD AGAINST THE WALL AND LEAVES BECAUSE THERE IS NO EXPLAINING TO STUPID PEOPLE.

            HE THEN GOES TO GEORGIA, AND THEN FLEES TO THE EU, BECAUSE IT IS NOT WORHT THE 4 USD HE IS BEING PAID TO DO AN IMPOSSIBLE JOB WITH NON-EXISTENT TOOLS.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >the engineer quits his job, thus removing the need for a severance package as he was definitely going to be fired for telling the boss he couldn't do what the boss needed him to do. He was then replaced by another engineer who could solve the obviously solvable problem.
              We'll that went better than expect. Don't let the door hit you on the way out, and don't forget about your non-compete clause.

              Fuck engineers can be fucking dumbarses sometimes.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Replacement Engineer is graduate of Norilsk technical college. He good at saying ja! And he even saw working tractor once! He promise you he can do this thing you need, he has cousin in Yakusk to get parts from, very reliable... but will need payment upfront, yes? Very urgent, see. You are pleased that this engineer not talk back, not say impossible, so reliable! Who care that machine he build is armoured with frozen cardboard and that turret fall off half the time?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You know Russia has a space program right?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you know that they had to collaborate with the ESA post collapse and have basically been using the same fucking R7 they were using in the 70s, right?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You know that was the only way American astronauts had to get to the ISS until Russia decided it didn't want to help the American space program any more right?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You know that was the only way American astronauts had to get to the ISS until Russia decided it didn't want to help the American space program any more right?

                I hate to promote musky boy, but he's taking all your business in the space sector

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Well NASA sure as shit isn't going to do it are they.
                What sort of semiconductors can Elon Musk produce?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He can buy better ones for his company than Russia can produce, that's for fucking sure.

                It isn't even subjective, Russia is literally barred from buying them from the industry leaders.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So Elon Musk is 20-30 years behind "the west" in semiconductor production as well. What a retard.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No, it's mean that one rich gay from Cali in term of industrial capabilities is on par with your whole shithole of a country, my dear Sergei

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not Russian you dumb fuck.

                he didn't start a retarded war and get his companies sanctioned from 70% of the worlds economy so it doesn't fucking matter for him lmfao

                Yet.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I'm not Russian you dumb fuck.
                >John Amerkians from Wisconsin Oblast

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                he didn't start a retarded war and get his companies sanctioned from 70% of the worlds economy so it doesn't fucking matter for him lmfao

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >cosmodrome launch pad on its last legs, ready to once again become rubble like anything standing above ground level in Russia
                >predictions say it can take one more launch at max
                >don't let the americans launch any more, otherwise you'll have to build a whole new cosmodrome, better to leave it all as is
                >pour yourself a bottle and congratulate yourself, another day well done sergei scientistovich

                >oh, you won't let us go to space anymore?
                >we'll just pay someone else to, and probably build ourselves another brand new space launch center 10 or 20 years down the road for shits and giggles

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >>we'll just pay someone else to, and probably build ourselves another brand new space launch center 10 or 20 years down the road for shits and giggles
                Kind of like how Russia will solve it's semiconductor problem in the long term.

                That said, I really don't think the American government is suddently going to fix it's space program either. They're just going to let Musk do it and then get surprised when he moves the whole program to a pacific island and becomes a bond villain which is CLEARLY his plan.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >They're just going to let Musk do it and then get surprised when he moves the whole program to a pacific island and becomes a bond villain which is CLEARLY his plan.

                Either that, or the government will Elon press the big button on the money printer for 30 minutes and pocket whatever comes out.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Elon press the big button on the money printer for 30 minutes
                Why would he care? He's already got more money than he could possibly spend. He owns Paypal, he can print his own money.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The USSR had a space program.
                Russia has the USSR's aging, mismanaged and failing remnants of a space program.
                And the USSR was 20 years behidn the west in terms of electroncis even when it had a space program.
                While the RF is 40-50 years behind the west and 20-30 years behind China.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                More fairy tales.
                If you gays were actually in charge of the war for Ukraine, it would have been over on day one because your entire plan would have been "The Russians will kill themselves stupidly."

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The Russians will kill themselves stupidly
                And that they have.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So the "brave Ukrainian soldiers trained by the Royal Army" are actually just camping somewhere they can enjoy the show?
                I guess we can stop sending them all these expensive weapons then.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >it would have been over on day one because your entire plan would have been "The Russians will kill themselves stupidly."
                Ivan, but that's EXACTLY what is happening...

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                see

                So the "brave Ukrainian soldiers trained by the Royal Army" are actually just camping somewhere they can enjoy the show?
                I guess we can stop sending them all these expensive weapons then.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes. I have seen the turrets.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >many years ago China couldn't manufacture it's own cars
            You do realize that China can manufacture more complex shit now because western companies set up manufacturing plants in china to utilize the cheap labour? The west has dumped trillions of dollars into china over many decades. Russia isn't getting jack shit.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >You do realize that China can manufacture more complex shit now because western companies set up manufacturing plants in china to utilize the cheap labour?
              You realize there's actually a few extra steps in there right?

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >tfw you lived long enough to see russian economy collapse over trying to build working tanks

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What about the factory that produces trained tank crews, gonna need to rev that up too.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >The plant in Nizhny Tagil

    That's way too far for HIMARS. However...

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It is a job for the A-Team.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Hope you're talking about the pic related one.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Fingers crossed for JASSM-ER in the next aid package.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Even with JASSM-XR it would be towards the limits of stated operational range.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Won't be ready in time anyway unless it was a literal rushed prototype.
          The stated timeframe for service is easily 2024
          > deliveries beginning in January 2024 at a rate of five per month for the first 40 missiles.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >leave Uralvagonzavod to me.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It is a job for the A-Team.

      Leave it to the smoooooker.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      We only need one man

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous
  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Better question: why are these tards only just now upscaling production? I know they have to pretend like nothing bad is happening but comon, they even keep the facade up towards their tank producers?
    The Ruskies have been losing tanks faster than oryx can count them but yeah, some overtime on day 200 of the war is totally gonna fix that.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >they even keep the facade up towards their tank producers?

      Yes. Remember, it took a week after BARBAROSSA for Stalin to respond.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I know they have to pretend like nothing bad is happening but comon, they even keep the facade up towards their tank producers?
      History truly does repeats itself

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >why are these tards only just now upscaling production?
      Because they haven't needed to before now. Again this is obvious stuff. Same reason they took six months to go on a recruiting drive. Same reason they bought North Korean shells. They're not suffering shortages, there's no rush, they expected a long war from the beginning.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Retard...if they expected a long war they would have increased production immediatly to cover their expenditure.Only starting to produce more after you have run out is stupid.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Only starting to produce more after you have run out is stupid.
          But they haven't run out. They haven't even come close to running out. They've actually been really good at shepherding their capital. So if anything they're jumping the gun here and getting a head start.

          Remember they can't put their entire reserve of Armour into Ukraine, they're limited by their logistics.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >But they haven't run out. They haven't even come close to running out. They've actually been really good at shepherding their capital.
            >which is why they are buying fucking dumb-fire artillery shells from best korea

            Oh yeah I'm sure they haven't fully tapped out the T-80 stores, and I'm sure the foremen at Uralvagonzavod aren't on suicide watch playing production-space tetris with the restoring, upgrading, repairing , and "building" tanks, IFVs, and SPGs.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              is why they are buying fucking dumb-fire artillery shells from best korea
              She''s aren't a capital asset retard, the machines that make them are.
              And what's wrong with buying from North Korea. As I understand it the Labour is dirt cheap.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Are the NK shells going to be identical ballistically to the Russian ones though? Or will it throw their aim off due to small differences? And are they new, well stored, good condition shells, or 1970's dregs?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They're identically specced, NK arty is all soviet designed. Even if it is lower quality I'm sure they'll find a use for it. It's not like they don't also have their own shell production going on.

                >And what's wrong with buying from North Korea. As I understand it the Labour is dirt cheap.
                >What's wrong with one of the world's supposed super-powers buying something that their army knew it would need a massive supply of and should be able to manufacture domestically, from one of the most sanctioned nations on this earth that they probably have to give the materials for construction for, on the literal opposite side of the country and continent.

                Why would you not use the "capital assets" to make the shells, to make the shells in your country, if the assets were "well shepherded."
                It would even have the benefit of adding to your economy.

                But they DON'T, and that's what's fucking wrong; rather than fucking expanding production, they go to best korea to buy some of their shells and some of their production. This to me, shows that either Putin is a drooling retard who cannot mentally into war economy, or there are no fucking capital assets to use. Maybe fucking both.

                >Why would you not use the "capital assets" to make the shells, to make the shells in your country,
                Why wouldn't you do both which they certainly are?

                >They just got offered double time dude. They'll be celebrating how much money they're about to make.
                they are earning worthless rubbles bro

                >they are earning worthless rubbles bro
                Pretty sure Pizza Hut in Russia accepts Rubles.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Pretty sure Pizza Hut in Russia accepts Rubles.
                Theres no Pizza Hut nor McDonalds in Russia anymore. And the McDonalds knockoff Dadja Vanja serves moldy burgers lmao.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >And the McDonalds knockoff Dadja Vanja serves moldy burgers lmao.
                Which they exchange for Rubles. So the UVZ workers can now afford way more moldy burgers than they could before.

                You're talking like American fast food is fit for human consumption.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                How does this picture make you feel

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The vatniks have no coloring for the boxes, they just have white carboard

                Sad!

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Like I'm being marketed to by a company I've been boycotting for five years because the chick at the drive through wouldn't go on a date with me.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They will be new, but made using tools from early 60, serviced once since then, and with chinese "spare parts", in the system where corruption and thievery is organic... And said toola are operated by malnutrished, poorly trained and educated workers. So absolutely nothing to worry about, the quality and reliability will be simply perfect.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >said tools are operated by malnutrished, poorly trained and educated workers

                At least they're not also drunk at work, so that's probably an upgrade over Russian production.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >And what's wrong with buying from North Korea. As I understand it the Labour is dirt cheap.
                >What's wrong with one of the world's supposed super-powers buying something that their army knew it would need a massive supply of and should be able to manufacture domestically, from one of the most sanctioned nations on this earth that they probably have to give the materials for construction for, on the literal opposite side of the country and continent.

                Why would you not use the "capital assets" to make the shells, to make the shells in your country, if the assets were "well shepherded."
                It would even have the benefit of adding to your economy.

                But they DON'T, and that's what's fucking wrong; rather than fucking expanding production, they go to best korea to buy some of their shells and some of their production. This to me, shows that either Putin is a drooling retard who cannot mentally into war economy, or there are no fucking capital assets to use. Maybe fucking both.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >I'm sure the foremen at Uralvagonzavod aren't on suicide watch
              They just got offered double time dude. They'll be celebrating how much money they're about to make.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >They just got offered double time dude. They'll be celebrating how much money they're about to make.
                they are earning worthless rubbles bro

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I think their main plan was to just march into the capital and dispose the current government. Their thought process was probably that everyone would flee and those who stayed would die because they were untrained, hence why they didn’t prepare anything. It’s funny though because it very soon became apparent that this wasn’t the case and that ukraine was going to fight back, but russia has bootlegged their entire military down to the bones so there isn’t anything they can do

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Are they actually building new ones or just refitting the rusted and partially pilfered shit heaps dug from Siberian depots?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The old frames are better because of the some kind of welding that they can't do anymore.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The old frames are better
        lol
        >welding that they can't do anymore
        lmao, the absolute state of russian industry

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Literally the fucking AdMech LMAO.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The AdMech would have treated their equipment a lot nicer and would've fucking crucified or whatever the AdMech's preferred method of execution is for even thinking about stealing valuable technologies within their machines for some extra scratch.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The admech actually performs a shit ton of maintenance so worse then admech

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No it's because Vanadium alloy gets harder over time. Ergo old armour is tougher than new armour.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      A mix of both probably. Get the least trash tanks they can up and running then build new frames. The question remains will they be complete or will they be stripped of components?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The old frames are better because of the some kind of welding that they can't do anymore.

      The old frames are better because of the some kind of welding that they can't do anymore.

      A mix of both probably. Get the least trash tanks they can up and running then build new frames. The question remains will they be complete or will they be stripped of components?

      Threadly reminder that in the last 20 years besides seven (7) T-14 prototypes there is zero evidence for Russia producing a single new in service tank while in that time we have visual confirmation of the DPRK making hundreds of newly designed tanks. By basic visual confirmation North Korea has 20+ times the tank production of Russia.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >DPRK making hundreds of newly designed tanks

        I'm betting solid money that those are barely more than go-carts with tin plates glued on.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >barely more than go-carts with tin plates glued on.
          C'mon, have faith in grorius reader.
          These will be al least t-34 with some plywood on top of it. I mean, these BTR-40 from 1950 are still going stronk!

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What happened to the thousands of tanks they had in storage?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      rotten beyond repair, sold to the third world, scavenged for parts...
      The tens of thousands of russian tanks were lies.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      most were abandoned after the cold war ended, many were sold off to other nations / conflicts. There were thousands of tanks out in fields, but very few of those could be brought back into an operational state. All the wiring, power plants, sights etc are likely destroyed and need full rebuilds or replacements.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      T72b3m is an update to old T72b models. They are not just building new tanks.

      https://i.imgur.com/y7QVMVk.jpg

      Why aren't they building armatas?

      Because the dings have not been ironed out yet. It is still pretty much an experimental tank. Massproducing them to send them to war is not exactly a smart move.

      > T-90M, T-80BVM, and T-72B3M
      why are they so obsessed with producing(more like repainting old soviet stocks) of the same retarded fucking design. even the Russian army was begging the kremlin to stop and allocate funds for a new vehicle that dosent explode on contact with the enemy...but they still fucking persist ad absurdum

      What tank from their portfolio should they build, anon?

      Russia ended T-80 line 20 years ago. Restarting it in few month is impossible, they are likely refurbishing old stock of rusted buckets

      Its the same for T72b3m, those are not new tanks. The only new tanks are T90m.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sold off to pay for debts or to increase MIC sales, scavenged for spare parts for either domestic use or foreign purchases, corruption, or never properly maintained so they were useless (cracked barrels, rusted out holes in armor, etc.) yet still somehow ended up on the front lines

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I work in an ex soviet hellhole. """Overtime""" means sitting around the shop drinking beer because there is no work.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I thought tanks were obsolete?

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Where are they getting their optics?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >optics? just pop your head out of the turret

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      France probably supplying them still.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        surrendermonkeys waved the white flag before anyone waged war on them

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Hahaha, stay mad anglo cockroach

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        surrendermonkeys waved the white flag before anyone waged war on them

        Anglo-Polish drunkards posted these.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I would love to see France selling Leclerc tanks to a post-putin Russia.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Optics? What is this Western homosex optics talk? What is wrong with your eyeballs? Just squint, bro!

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ackshually, spetsnaz preffer using iron sights...

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        scope gives glare

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          more like seargeant gives glare when conscript ask 'where scope?'

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Sergant gives glans the moment new conscript enters his group

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >he has a sergeant

            rusnigs need western parts for their tanks. Their new tanks had Thales sensors from France. Their mechanical shit has parts from siemens and bosch

            They probably could still build shit-tier Soviet-configuration T-72Bs and T-80s, though that doesn't really make it any better.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      China. Duh.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Or chips

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    there's no way this can keep up with the amount russia is losing. they would have to reserve a large amount for some kind offensive down the road and in that time ukraine will just be even more prepared with equipment and training.

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why aren't they building armatas?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There's no way they have enough advanced components to produce (supposedly) modern vehicles. They couldn't afford mass producing them during peace time, so there's no way it's possible with the sanctions and the rapidly deteriorating Russian economy

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Why aren't they building armatas?
      They don't have enough spare vehicles to tow them

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because state of the art miltech needs state of the art industry. None of which Russia has. Their domestic industry is still about as advanced as the 1990s and that is generous. They have no semiconductor factories (nor factories in friendly states) to supply them with the chips needed to make those vehicles actually function to specification.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >They have no semiconductor factories
        CNN level retarded take.

        OF COURSE they have chip foundries. They don't have the chip foundaries needed to produce the latest Pentuim i9s or whatever, because only Taiwan can do that, but they have chip foundaries. They're actually the world leader in the production of Ultrabright LEDs which are a type of semiconductor.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The BEST chip foundry in Russia can barely produce late 90's level chips, and cannot do so in industrially relevant quantities.

          They're going straight back to the 80's if they wanna try using domestic chips.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >The BEST chip foundry in Russia can barely produce late 90's level chips,
            So firstly, late 90s level chips are perfectly capable of managing digital optics and missile guidance.
            Secondly, now that Taiwan is refusing to sell them, OR CHINA, the good stuff, you pretty much expect that clever cookies in both countries are building the capacity locally.

            The United States just figured out how reliant it is on Taiwan for it's hardware. They can't build i9s either.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Russia
              >China
              >clever cookies

              Anon I...

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >you pretty much expect that clever cookies in both countries are building the capacity locally.
              you can PERHAPS build the foundry, you cant snap the people who actually work them in to existance. The TMC and Samsung foundries are insanely complex, its bascially magic what happens in there.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They also rely completely on American and Japanese designs.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Dutch actually. ASML basically has the entire semiconductor production industry by the balls, they are the only manufacturer capable of delivering the EUV steppers needed for cutting edge (7nm and smaller) chip fabrication and the order backlog is enough to keep the company fed for years.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah Rome wasn't built in a day. But if I'm Intel or TSCC, I'm livid right now because my global oligopoly in high end semiconductors is over.

                >The BEST chip foundry in Russia can barely produce late 90's level chips, and cannot do so in industrially relevant quantities.
                It's actually fucking WORSE. Biggest russian industry producer that someho was able to produce chips in bulk - Angstrem fucking collapsed in 2019, has been bailed out by state owned VEB-Bank and is dead in the water since. And you know what is was producing? Fucking KR1858VM1 which is a goddamn copy of Zilog Z80A processors, just made in 2 micron technology, instead of original 4 micron. No, I shit you not - the most advanced CPU russian domestic industry of 2013 was capable to deliver was a chip from ZX Spectrum.

                They won't be bankrupt any more, they've just been handed a completely protected market, and a huge and hungry customer in the form of the Russian government.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >They won't be bankrupt any more, they've just been handed a completely protected market, and a huge and hungry customer in the form of the Russian government.
                do you know what a fucking ZX Spectrum is, or how much computing power it has?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              i9s are fabbed in the US
              not Taiwan
              not that they're the best anymore but dont be plain wrong

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I was just using it as an example of why the "Russia can't produce semiconductors" CNN report is wrong and dumb.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Have fun building the necessary support structure behind all of this because a good chunk of the equipment used is only produced in places like Taiwan, Japan, the US or Europe.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Have fun building the necessary support structure
                I'm sure they will given they now have guaranteed profits.

                >They won't be bankrupt any more, they've just been handed a completely protected market, and a huge and hungry customer in the form of the Russian government.
                do you know what a fucking ZX Spectrum is, or how much computing power it has?

                Not the foggiest. But I know how economics works and procurement works. Your highlighting problems that have obvious and simple solutions.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You clearly dont know how economics work either, so shut the fuck up you absolute retard.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Not the foggiest. But I know how economics works and procurement works. Your highlighting problems that have obvious and simple solutions.
                The ZX Spectrum is an 8-Bit cumputer from the fucking 80s, you fucking sped.

                I have 3D printers with more powerful CPUs.
                You are telling me that russia is going to replace all their computing needs, with a fucking knockoff 8-bit CPU from the 80s?
                >But I know how economics works and procurement works
                You unironically don't know anything but dicks, and don't even have the ability to do a lazy fucking google search before opening up your verbal shitting-dick hole.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The ZX Spectrum is an 8-Bit cumputer from the fucking 80s, you fucking sped.
                That's not useful information.

                >You are telling me that russia is going to replace all their computing needs, with a fucking knockoff 8-bit CPU from the 80s?
                No retard. I am telling you quite fucking clearly in simple fucking english that now there is guarateed market demand, profit seeking companies will develop product to fill that demand. Ergo, they will be building better chip foundaries as fast as the possibly can, and banks will be happy to lend them any amount of money they need to do it.

                Because that's how economics works.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Dude, you can't just build chip foundries. You clearly have no idea how insanely complex they are and what level of manufacturing, supply chains and know-how is needed. You literally sound like a parody of a boomer

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Dude, you can't just build chip foundries.
                Yes you can. It's been done. Therefor it is possible for a price. And the price, for any Russian capitalist, is now worth paying.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You do realize that there are no Russian engineers with that know-how and Russia has absolutely zero capabilities to build the necessary supply chain. Right?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You do realize that there are no Russian engineers
                moron there's fucking textbooks about it. They'll figure it out.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Just read this book, Sergei lmao
                You're either the stupidest motherfucker on PrepHole or a pretty fucking good troll

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It can be figured out. But it'll take a while to get it right. The real problem Russia faces is shifting complicated industries like that to Russians means nerds gain power. Mafioso like Putin's mates cannot run complex technological industries.
                Building plants to build chips represents an existential threat to Putin's order. Therefore, it will never happen.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What a fairy tale. You should write for hollywood.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not the only one who thinks so, read Kamil Galeev. Here I'll link you to it.
                https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1501360272442896388

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't use twitter because I'm not a gay.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >He thinks everyone is just going to except going back to 8-bit chips
                >He thinks you can just use 8-bit chips in the current stuff with out needing to completely redesign the boards as well
                >"Hurr durr it not matter we figure it out because market demand"
                Holy shit this motherfucker is stupid

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not the guy you are replying too, but you are impressively retarded. China has been trying to achieve chip parity with the West for many years and it can't manage. In terms of domestic chip production Russia is like 30 years behind China.

                They won't be able to catch up in decades. Muh economics is a cope. Processor manufacturing is extremely complicated and throwing just some oil money at the problem isn't gonna fix it.

                For reference, see the American CHIPS act. Due the situation surrounding Taiwan even the USA is trying to move chips production to the USA, but it isn't easy.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Your highlighting problems that have obvious and simple solutions
                Yes, every complex problem has a solution that is clear, simple and wrong. You know fuck all about tech (don't even know what the ZX Spectrum is lmao), nor economics. You're a retarded boomer who thinks high tech production like chips are like a fucking lumbermill in the 50s.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's not an engineering problem you dumb fuck. The technology exists, it just doesn't exist in Russia, ergo Russian engineers will build it because someone will be more than happy to pay them to do it because there's profit in it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >ergo Russian engineers will build it
                You literally have 0 clue whats involved in a microchip foundry supply chain. You can find laymans introduction to the topic on Asianometry youtube channel if you so far are arguing in good faith (which I doubt).

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Asianometry
                Let's talk about the newsletter, anon.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You literally have 0 clue whats involved in a microchip foundry supply chain.
                Of course not, I'm not the one that's going to build it because I'm not Russian. But at least one person, in Russia, right now, is currently figuring it out, because there's billions of dollars on table for the first guy who does.

                It's not impossible, it's been done, therefore it can be done again, for a price, and any price is worth paying because the profits are guaranteed.

                Literally chapter 1 of any microeconomics textbook will explain that to you.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Literally chapter 1 of any microeconomics textbook will explain that to you.

                if you knew jack shit about economics, you would also know that the basics of microeconomics 1 and macroeconomics 1 dont even fucking apply in the real world holy shit kys.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                moron you have no idea what does and doesn't apply to the real world out of a microeconomics textbook.
                To be clear what you are currently trying to refute as "not economics" is that profits seeking capitalists will invest when profits are guaranteed.
                We're not talking about the Marshallian cross and the difficulty in real world estimates of demand curves or the assumption of perfect rationality, the stuff that big brained economists like me know basically refutes microeconomics, we're talking about axiomatic truths of the functioning of a capitalist system.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >But at least one person, in Russia, right now, is currently figuring it out, because there's billions of dollars on table for the first guy who does.
                Dollars, or rubles? Because nobody is gonna invent magical chip processes for $60.

                >be genius Russian
                >invent way to fast travel 50 years of trial and error and have a way to set up a x86 capable factory in a year
                >still live in a shithole

                >be genius Russian
                >invent way to fast travel 50 years of trial and error and have a way to set up a x86 capable factory in a year
                >hop a flight, tell an American that you can have them up and running domestically in that timeframe
                >live like a king for the rest of your bloodline's existence

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                lol, lmao
                they don't even need to be geniuses to feel the need to try leaving

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/09/13/fsb-arrests-russian-factory-director-accused-of-spying-for-ukraine-a78773

                Russian security services said Tuesday they had arrested an employee of an aerospace factory on suHispanicion of high treason for passing classified defense-related information to Ukraine.

                The Federal Security Service (FSB) said in a statement carried by Russian news agencies that it had detained a Russian national suspected of "high treason for transferring data to Ukraine to the detriment of Russia's security."

                The FSB said the Russian citizen — a resident of the Moscow region — had photographed "classified top-secret technical documents," and sent them via mobile phone to an employee of an aviation factory in the southern Ukrainian city of Odesa.

                The statement said an investigation had been opened into high treason, which carries a sentence of up to 20 years in prison. The employee — the director of the plant — had been detained, it said.

                A Moscow court earlier this month jailed a respected former defense reporter, Ivan Safronov, for 22 years on treason charges for divulging state secrets.

                He was accused of collecting confidential information about Russian military, defence and security and handing it over to foreign intelligence.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I wonder who he pissed off.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >This Russian couldn't possibly have actually been corrupt.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Dollars, or rubles?
                Billions of dollars, hundred of billions of rubles. The name of the money doesn't matter.

                way to fast travel 50 years of trial and error
                >what is the catch-up effect.
                They don't need 50 years of trial and error. They know what technology they need, they just need to figure out how to make it. They need UV spectrum etching lasers, they don't need to try a bunch of different lasers and figure out which one actually works, they know which one works, which is why it's very hard to advance technology, but much easier to catch up.
                Thus: the catch up effect.

                I would agree, the mission kill rate per missile is probably closer to 90%-95% outside of failures, which is pretty good.

                It's not just about the mission kill rate though. Most of the Javilins will never be fired, they will sit in the back of APCs just in case they're needed, even though they won't be. So you have to spread them out, which means you need way more of them than will actually be used.

                I'm not pulling that number out of my arse btw, that's what military planners use as a rule of thumb. If the enemy has a thousand tanks you need a million man-portable ATGMs if that's all you're planning to use, but obviously there's more than one way to skin a cat.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The name of the money doesn't matter.
                So I can go to 90% of countries on Earth and spend my rubles, da?
                >Thus: the catch up effect.
                I'm not doubting the catch up effect, however we have to consider the quality of the gray matter that will be working on the solution. Absolute best case scenario (running water, toilets, paved roads, washing machines, food), I give it 1-2 generations before the Russians can produce someone smart enough to solve the problem in an expedient fashion. Granted, we can't solve it either, and neither can the CCP bugs, because literally nobody was as smart as the guys who figured it out the first time. See: Fogbank

                pic semirelated, it's a weird thing to see a brainiac without the flattop or pocket protector

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >So I can go to 90% of countries on Earth and spend my rubles, da?
                Which currency is accepting in 90% of the world's countries?

                >the quality of the gray matter that will be working on the solution.
                And Russia has well educated geniuses too. I've actually taught some Russian students myself because my country treats it's education system as an export product, which is why our own kids are idiots now.
                The questions isn't quality of grey matter, it's QUANTITY of grey matter available to work on this particularly problem. And given how lucrative the solution will be, there won't be a shortage.

                Economics.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you are literally the kind of dumb fuck that drives economies into slow degradation and technical regression over time.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I have no idea what I'm talking about about but I think this sounds smart
                It doesn't.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There are companies like RCA which ran themselves into the fucking dirt thinking that it was a great idea to just keep hiring more researchers, more brains, and pitting them against each other to make progress and competitive product was a great fucking idea that would both increase the amount of products they could sell and foundational technology they could patent.

                So they hired a bunch of different people fresh out of prestigious universities and gave them unlimited resources to research what ever as long as it could theoretically be marketed.

                It ended with the different divisions at each others' throats and avoiding obvious paths of innovation for their pet projects, lots of cool prototypes that were impractical for the consumer market, technologies that were immature, and their rivals stealing the market, and RCA having no new products to sell and no new patents to coast off of.

                Russia can hire a 1000 fucking scientists to fix the issue but it still won't fix the problem that russia currently does not have any of the foundational tech, and all of the foundational tech is currently owned and controlled by their rivals.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >RCA
                Cool story. I'm a fan of cool stories.

                >Russia can hire a 1000 fucking scientists to fix the issue but it still won't fix the problem that russia currently does not have any of the foundational tech
                Yes it will. That's what R&D is for.
                >all of the foundational tech is currently owned and controlled by their rivals.
                Yeah see the cool thing about sanctions is you don't care about the IP laws of other countries any more.

                That "control" comes from patents. And those patents are available to the public. Which means they don't have to reinvent the wheel, the instructions are available.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                everything you're saying ignores the point of my RCA story and proves you're a retard

                no wonder Russia's economy is fucking shit, even the "experts" teaching people are fucking hack retards incapable of reading comprehension or logical thinking.
                God your country was always doomed to failure.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Yeah see the cool thing about sanctions is you don't care about the IP laws of other countries any more.
                China's been doing this for decades and can't come up with something more complex than a PS1 case with ColecoVision guts inside. Me so scared.
                >Which means they don't have to reinvent the wheel, the instructions are available.
                Here you go, Chang. Don't put any fucking municipal waste in it as filler this time.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >China's been doing this for decades and can't come up with something more complex than a PS1 case
                yet.
                30 years ago they couldn't manage a microwave oven.

                A protected market in an economy the size of Spain offers no particular incentive that wasn't dwarfed by the existing global incentive. Intel doesn't compete on price in the sense you are talking about.

                Sure it does. It's GURANTEED profit.
                Someone will want that money.
                There was no guarantee for some Fijian 30 years ago. There was no guarantee for a Russian last year. There is now. And a very hungry customer in the form of the Russian government.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >see a penny sitting in a pile of dog shit down the street
                >HEY YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PICK THAT PENNY UP? ITS GUARANTEED PROFIT!
                >And a very hungry customer in the form of the Russian government.
                Has hunger ever not been a problem in Russia?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >GURANTEED profit
                Except if you somehow don't manage to do in a year what billion dollar firms and hundreds of R&D teams built in 30 years, you might find yourself drinking polonium tea.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not the guy you'#re arguing with but you're handwaving away a lot of complex logistical, structural and managerial problems. You've got to solve all of those. And they've got to be solved by a jaded, cynical population who are intentionally kept in a state of inertia by the Russian government itself. You MIGHT be able to fast track something like that in an existential war, Britain was able to. Germany however, wasn't. And that's the rub, the Russian people don't give a shit. Putinism's firehose of lies has produced a population that doesn't believe anything, but also doesn't believe IN anything.
                There's a reason they can't get young guys to volunteer, there's a reason they're soldier quality is so low, there's a reason that they're having to recruit from prisons and homeless shelters. Nobody wants to fight for Russia. Maybe some fags like you think it's fun to shill for them online, but different to go to the front line. I suspect if I offered you a plane ticket to Russia and an enlistment with a golden handshake and immediate promotion, you'd tell me no.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If a hundred dumbasses can't invent the next big thing, or MAKE the next big thing if they do, what good will another thousand do?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I don't understand english
                I teach economics so I can't help you.

                >I'm not Russian you dumb fuck.
                >John Amerkians from Wisconsin Oblast

                >Everyone not Russian is American
                American geography education strikes again.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I teach economics
                That will explain why whole russian economy is smaller than northern italy and have a profile of 3rd world shithole like nigeria or EG

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Which currency is accepting in 90% of the world's countries?
                Rubles, obviously. I hear the next generation of flight crew survival kits will have rubles to replace the gold coins.
                >The questions isn't quality of grey matter, it's QUANTITY of grey matter available to work on this particularly problem. And given how lucrative the solution will be, there won't be a shortage.
                I didn't doubt that, everyone who doesn't have a plant on the same level is going to have to work to muster the smarts to get it done. However, my point is that anyone Russian who figures it out is sure as shit gonna want payment in USD, because >economics. Probably safe transport for himself and his family before they're suicided via explosion by the FSB. Not to mention a quality of life upgrade to a country that has toilet and washing machine for everyone.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >gonna want payment in USD
                Why on earth would they want that? You can't buy shit in Russia with USD. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Fascinating conjecture, Johnny Hamburger from Georgia Oblast.
                >Probably safe transport for himself and his family before they're suicided via explosion by the FSB. Not to mention a quality of life upgrade to a country that has toilet and washing machine for everyone.
                picrel

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The FSB will kill the guy who solves the Russian semiconductor problem
                The real question is what does he know about Hillary Rodham Clinton?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The complete black market in Russian runs on USD and has been since Soviet times.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Maybe in hollywood movies.

                everything you're saying ignores the point of my RCA story and proves you're a retard

                no wonder Russia's economy is fucking shit, even the "experts" teaching people are fucking hack retards incapable of reading comprehension or logical thinking.
                God your country was always doomed to failure.

                You didn't make a point about RCA, you just told cool story, which I acknowledged was a cool story.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Maybe in hollywood movies
                You know fuck all about Eastern Europe, moron

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I know they don't use USD for every day transactions moron.

                >Russia is now a protected market. If Intel won't sell to Russians, then a Russian company doesn't have to worry about Intel competing down the price.
                "protected market"
                >drive to border
                >someone tosses 5 billion ruble at me
                >toss 10 year old i9 over the other side
                >rinse repeat

                And that would also solve the semiconductor problem wouldn't it?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I know they don't use USD for every day transactions moron
                Yes they do, dollars are the backbone of the black market since the local currency ain't worth shit and you can't take it out of the country anyway. This was the same in Communist times, everyone smuggled German Marks and USD. Putin made sure this came back big time. But you know as much about this as about microchips.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I know they don't use USD for every day transactions moron.
                In a land of 100,000 RU credit purchases for a loaf of bread, the man with a crumpled up piece of shitty fiat with Washington's face on it in his pocket is still king.

                >things Americans actually believe

                >GURANTEED profit
                Except if you somehow don't manage to do in a year what billion dollar firms and hundreds of R&D teams built in 30 years, you might find yourself drinking polonium tea.

                Why on earth would that be true? Fucking dumb.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Americans
                I'm literally Eastern European. I am giving you facts, but you seem to live in some fantasy cloud-cuckoo land where you just pay some Russky enough money and he will make a chip foundry to rival Intel for you. You are beyond delusional.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >enough money
                That's the key to it though.
                With enough money he will hire enough people and with enough time will solve the problem since we know, for a fact, that a chip foundry to rival Intel can be built after all Intel built one.

                The question isn't can it be done, it can be done, the question is should it be done. A year ago the answer was no, it was cheaper to buy intel stuff and you'd never compete on price manufacturing in Russia. Today the answer is yes because you don't have to worry about competition from Intel any more.

                Do you have any relevant expertise to offer in the field of semiconductor creation? Cause per my layperson understanding (stemming from articles like those below) you are enormously underestimating the technical challenges of making what are arguably the most complicated devices made by man. You can’t just throw money at problems and assume they will be solved - especially when the most highly technically educated Russians are emigrating from Russia in record numbers.

                https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2021-chip-production-why-hard-to-make-semiconductors/?leadSource=uverify%20wall

                https://www.wsj.com/story/there-arent-enough-chips-why-are-they-so-hard-to-make-3e29c7e0

                >you are enormously underestimating the technical challenges
                No you are underestimating market forces.
                You CAN just throw money at something and assume it will be solved if it is solvable. But most problems are just too expensive. This isn't one of them, because the Russian military will pay for the electronics they need. Russian industry needs computers so they will pay.

                So solving this problem is of profit to whoever does it first. Ergo, people in Russia, right now, are doing exactly that, because despite what the TV tells you they are actually a free market economy.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Let's set aside all the technical difficulties that will take a decade to cover because you're a retard who doesn't understand how sanctions impact tech transfer and how that is going to massively stimey the Russian's ability to throw money at the program. Russia doesn't have the fucking economy to be able to make all the investments in infrastructure profitable because their economy is collapsing because of said sanctions which means the captive market, because you certainly aren't going to be able sell your shit to the global market and couldn't compete on price even if you could. They will do their best to make do with small numbers of smuggled chips for critical things, payed at exorbitant prices which will also further deplete any budget to invest in domestic production, and largely just suffer as the sanctions are intended to do.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >sanctions impact tech transfer
                No YOU don't understand. The tech is patented, the patents cannot be enforced in Russia, all the sanctions have done all western technology free to use without license for anyone can figure out how to copy it.
                > their economy is collapsing because of said sanctions
                Garbage. Absolute CNN level fake news.

                https://i.imgur.com/nIXEdyH.jpg

                >With enough money he will hire enough people and with enough time will solve the problem since we know
                >You CAN just throw money at something and assume it will be solved if it is solvable.
                Not when someone else is willing to pay more. Leading to my second point
                >the question is should it be done. A year ago the answer was no, it was cheaper to buy intel stuff and you'd never compete on price manufacturing in Russia. Today the answer is yes because you don't have to worry about competition from Intel any more.
                You dumb fucking moron, Russia has a history that extends beyond living memory of "should be done's". Toilets. Washing machines. Stopping military ass rape.

                That post is too dumb to respond to. It's insulting that you think you have the right to talk to me.

                >No you are underestimating market forces
                ok
                lets set the stage: captive market, (near)infinite demand, zero supply, zero existing capacity or convertable capacity to supply, product that has a massive tech 'moat'

                so the (near)infinite demand is expected to cause an (near)infinite incentive right?
                and then that incentive will, without a doubt, cause SOMEONE to fill it eventually and restore the market to a naturally balanced s/d
                am I missing anything in your stellar debate?

                You forgot to use the word "magic" in your absurd hypothetical, but the theory is more or less correct so far. You are, however, lacking a point.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >dude, just read a patent
                Even earlier you were saying you needed foreign advisors to come in and teach the locals, which certainly isn't going to happen.
                >Russia's economy isn't imploding
                Read a fucking paper on how retarded you are.
                https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4167193

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Even earlier you were saying you needed foreign advisors
                No idea what you're talking about. Not interested in your link.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >If I just shut my ears and proclaim you're wrong, I win

                Glad you're admitting that you have no argument and we can be done here.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                moron you can post papers all day, papers aren't the evicdence, they're the argument.
                You're not making an argument, you're just telling me to read someone elses, And I don't care enough to do that.

                The Russian economy is not "collapsing", they're not a trade reliant economy anyway, their major trading partners have no participated in the sanctions, and Europe didn't stop buying Russian gas like they said they would, Putin stopped selling it. And that is FAR more than the conversation you deserved. Me and the other actual economists will discuss how effective sanctions were in 2022, in like 2042 or so.

                It's CNN level garbage.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Academic papers, which you should know if you're as educated as you larp as, contain the evidence for the argument they're presenting and the methodolgy by which they collected the data, which would make it a waste for me to spend time retyping for you even if you weren't arguing in bad faith like the vatnik shill you are.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I am very impressed by academics as long as they tell me what they want to hear
                I am usually unimpressed by academics regardless of what they're saying.
                In the meantime what YOU'RE saying is that you're unable to continue the conversation on my level, which I accept.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I'm an academic
                >but we're all retards
                >and I can't convince you to argue at my level since you keep using facts and data rather then feels 🙁

                Once again, I'm happy to accept your concession.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >>I'm an academic
                >>but we're all retards
                This but unironically.
                The dumbest people on earth are undergrads, by the time they start post-grad they've rarely improved.
                Why do you think the climate change bullshit just keeps going and going? It's because they all stand around being aggressively idiotic about everything.
                Facts don't fucking matter.
                And you didn't post facts.
                You posted a paper that said what you wanted it to say.
                And what you wanted it to say is wrong.
                Now tell me why you personally deserve more of my effort, in a PrepHole thread that's already autosaging, than that?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Well, you're certainly proving your thesis by being a fucking retard yourself, and deciding to instantly dismiss a paper that you don't like the conclusion of instead of looking at the data they collected and seeing how bleak of a picture it actually paints. Explains why you're teaching at a college that only teaches imports instead of somewhere that doesn't scrape the bottom of the barrel for people who're willing to pay for a degree from a foreign country.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The only thing being dismissed moron, is you.
                You want to talk methodology (which that paper does not), you started with the answer you wanted and then found a link that supports that answer. And they almost certainly did the same thing.
                That's not science, the technical term for that is a circlejerk.

                The answer the question "Is Russia's economy collapsing?" in the present tense is impossible. Which is why none of us are actually bothering with it, you're not asking the question, they're not asking the question, and I'm not asking the questions. The only difference with my position is that I'm aware of that and make it explicit.

                In the meantime economic doomsaying is the easiest bullshit to write. Paul Jospeh Watson crapping on about how millions of people are going to freeze to death this winter, or how the covid lockdowns were going to lead to a massive global recession, blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda, you've seen one you've seen them all.

                "The best reason to study economics is to learn how not to be fooled by economists." - Joan Robinson.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Russia's economy is collapsing
                >no, it's not
                >here's data that shows it is
                >I'm not reading that, and you're wrong

                have a nice day.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >>here's data that shows it is
                You didn't post data. You posted an op-ed.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >peer reviewed paper in a scientific journal
                >op-ed

                Pick one, and only one, you dumb moron.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                just admit you have no idea what a peer reviewed paper is and you were larping as an academic

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You are, however, lacking a point.
                which is?

                >all western technology free to use without license
                ok, can you point out the patented information needed to produce something like a chip?
                or do you not actually know what patents are beyond a piece of paper that says I can make something and you can't

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >ok, can you point out the patented information needed to produce something like a chip?
                uh, the patents! the blueprints! once you have those it's as simple as a few hours with a hammer and anvil. the demand is there!

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >few hours
                Why do you dumb fucks keep adding these time constraints when I call you on it every time.
                NOBODY SAID ANYTHING ABOUT IT HAPPENING IMMEDIATELY.
                Everything takes time.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Why do you dumb fucks keep adding these time constraints when I call you on it every time.
                >NOBODY SAID ANYTHING ABOUT IT HAPPENING IMMEDIATELY.
                How long did webm related take?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >which is?
                How the fuck would I know what your point is?

                >can you please do five days of research then condenst it all into 2000 characters for my benefit.
                Nope. The more interesting question is why the fuck you think I would?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                different guy but just tell me what the qrd video on why chips are so hard to make blease

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No idea what you're asking for.
                Seems to be that this debate has devolved to the point where where you fucking garden gnomes are trying to pretend the fact I, some random Australian academic, cannot single handled produce an i9 processor using nothing more than human waste, in the space of a PrepHole thread, means nobody can build computer chips except Taiwan.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                oops wrong guy then

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >That post is too dumb to respond to. It's insulting that you think you have the right to talk to me.
                fuck ya mudda

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >With enough money he will hire enough people and with enough time will solve the problem since we know
                >You CAN just throw money at something and assume it will be solved if it is solvable.
                Not when someone else is willing to pay more. Leading to my second point
                >the question is should it be done. A year ago the answer was no, it was cheaper to buy intel stuff and you'd never compete on price manufacturing in Russia. Today the answer is yes because you don't have to worry about competition from Intel any more.
                You dumb fucking moron, Russia has a history that extends beyond living memory of "should be done's". Toilets. Washing machines. Stopping military ass rape.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >No you are underestimating market forces
                ok
                lets set the stage: captive market, (near)infinite demand, zero supply, zero existing capacity or convertable capacity to supply, product that has a massive tech 'moat'

                so the (near)infinite demand is expected to cause an (near)infinite incentive right?
                and then that incentive will, without a doubt, cause SOMEONE to fill it eventually and restore the market to a naturally balanced s/d
                am I missing anything in your stellar debate?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >things Americans actually believe
                Don't care. Now quit bitching about no gas during your oh so brutal -4 celsius winters and make sure your next arms shipment to Ukraine gets there on time.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Why on earth would that be true?
                Why did the USSR have to lock their scientists into closed cities? Ever heard of those?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Why did the USSR have to lock their scientists into closed cities?
                Communism. The USSR collapsed 30 years ago.
                Friedman and the Chicago School of Economics designed Russia's economy.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Why on earth would that be true? Fucking dumb.
                Sokolov? I'm here to get you out.
                Your next post will bypass the fact that this post is a joke and attempt to argue with it. Argue with

                >Why on earth would that be true?
                Why did the USSR have to lock their scientists into closed cities? Ever heard of those?

                instead.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I know they don't use USD for every day transactions moron.
                In a land of 100,000 RU credit purchases for a loaf of bread, the man with a crumpled up piece of shitty fiat with Washington's face on it in his pocket is still king.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >country treats it's education system as an export product
                Something makes me believe that you're indian for some reason.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't know why, spoiler: I'm Australian. 49% of our students are Indian, another 49% are Chinese, 2% are other foreign, and the remainder are the future of Australia.
                You don't have to be an economist to realize Australia has no future.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Asianometry
                Let's talk about the newsletter, anon.

                Oh yea well if theres such a great layman video on this guy's youtube channel then whats its name, loser?

                You can't tell me because you're a liar and it doesn't exist

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Anyone capable of starting that process from scratch will probably get paid much better somewhere else.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >In English doc!
                >You eggheads figure it out!
                >Whaddaya mean it takes 5 days? You have two!
                This is how you sound like.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                mean it takes 5 days? You have two!
                Never said that. Said the opposite of that. You dumb fuck.
                Explicitly said WHATEVER THE PRICE IS they will pay it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're too fucking stupid to even get the joke. Do you even know how much time it needs to build a foundry like that?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                god you're a dumb shit
                THE ENGINEER IS TELLING YOU IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT YOU CAN PAY, THAT THIS IS NOT A MONEY PROBLEM. THIS IS A PROBLEM OF THE MATERIALS, MACHINERY, AND EXPERTISE NOT EXISTING TO EVEN FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE THE CHIPS OR HOW TO MAKE THE FACILITIES TO MAKE THE CHIPS, LET ALONE ACTUALLY FUCKING MAKE THEM.

                YOU CAN'T JUST SOLVE EVERY FUCKING ISSUE WITH PAYING PEOPLE MORE, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU LACK THE FOUNDATIONAL KNOWLEDGE TO EVEN BEGIN TACKLING THE FOUNDATIONAL PROBLEMS YOU WANT THE ENGINEERS TO TACKLE.

                LET ME PUT IT IN A WAY A DUMBFUCK LIKE YOU CAN PERHAPS PARSE; TOILETS TO IMPROVE SANITATION FOR YOUR HOME IN BUMFUCK NOWHERE THIRD WORLD, WHERE THERE ARE NO STORES TO BUY TOILETS. YOU CAN SAY "I'LL JUST PAY SOMEONE TO MAKE A TOILET," BUT WHEN YOUR FOUNDATIONAL BASIS FOR SANITATION IS A FUCKING OUT HOUSE, A FUCKING HOLE IN THE GROUND WITH A BOARD OVER IT, AND RUNNING WATER IS A LUXURY, IT'S GONNA BE REALLY FUCKING HARD TO DESIGN YOUR NEW TOILET, LET ALONE FUCKING HAVE IT ACTUALLY WORK OR CAST FUCKING PORCELAIN

                >someone's willing to give them most of the tech.
                Or they steal it and get it done even faster.
                It's called the catch-up effect. It's how Japan went from producing cheap plastic crap in the 60s to being the technological world leader in the 90s.

                >le catchup
                SO NOW YOU DECIDE TO GO STEAL A FUCKING TOILET, CONGRADULATIONS, YOU HAVE A FUCKING BLACK BOX THAT YOU MAY BE ABLE TO THEORIZE HOW IT WORKS, YOU STILL HAVE NO IDEA HOW TO FUCKING MAKE IT OR HAVE IT ACTUALLY WORK BECAUSE YOU STILL CAN'T CAST PORCELAIN AND YOU AVE NO RUNNING WATER.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's not an engineering problem you dumb fuck. The technology exists, it just doesn't exist in Russia, ergo Russian engineers will build it because someone will be more than happy to pay them to do it because there's profit in it.

                >You literally have 0 clue whats involved in a microchip foundry supply chain.
                Of course not, I'm not the one that's going to build it because I'm not Russian. But at least one person, in Russia, right now, is currently figuring it out, because there's billions of dollars on table for the first guy who does.

                It's not impossible, it's been done, therefore it can be done again, for a price, and any price is worth paying because the profits are guaranteed.

                Literally chapter 1 of any microeconomics textbook will explain that to you.

                This is the dumbest run of comments I've read here in years.
                >But at least one person, in Russia, right now, is currently figuring it out, because there's billions of dollars on table for the first guy who does.
                This is true of every country in the world and has been for 30 years idiot. Maybe read chapter 2 of your textbook as well.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >This is true of every country in the world and has been for 30 years idiot
                No it isn't.
                No one in Fiji 30 years ago was figuring out how to beat Intel at it's own game.
                You're in no position to talk about dumb comments with statements like that.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There were billions of dollars on the table if someone on Fiji could have done it. I have no idea why they didn't just sit down and figure it all out.

                >Billions of dollars
                You really have no idea do you. Intel spent 15 billion dollars on R&D last year alone. Semiconductor R&D is around a trillion dollars per year.

                But some guy in Russia is going to "figure it out", he didn't before because the turnip farm was profitable enough but now he has the incentive...

                If you read about industrial economics you'd realise the big problem for Russia now is not raw materials or even semi-rare materials, its the lack of technology transfer that is potentially fatal to them.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >There were billions of dollars on the table if someone on Fiji could have done it
                No there wasn't. Where are you pulling that from? Perhaps you've missed the fucking context of the entire conversation because you've jumped in halfway through and don't actually understand the point being made.

                Russia is now a protected market. If Intel won't sell to Russians, then a Russian company doesn't have to worry about Intel competing down the price. This is the point being made.

                >If you read about industrial economics
                you'll be learning about the history labour unions because that's what that means.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                A protected market in an economy the size of Spain offers no particular incentive that wasn't dwarfed by the existing global incentive. Intel doesn't compete on price in the sense you are talking about.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Russia is now a protected market. If Intel won't sell to Russians, then a Russian company doesn't have to worry about Intel competing down the price.
                "protected market"
                >drive to border
                >someone tosses 5 billion ruble at me
                >toss 10 year old i9 over the other side
                >rinse repeat

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No, you're thinking of "industrial relations". Is there no limit to your retardation.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >The BEST chip foundry in Russia can barely produce late 90's level chips, and cannot do so in industrially relevant quantities.
            It's actually fucking WORSE. Biggest russian industry producer that someho was able to produce chips in bulk - Angstrem fucking collapsed in 2019, has been bailed out by state owned VEB-Bank and is dead in the water since. And you know what is was producing? Fucking KR1858VM1 which is a goddamn copy of Zilog Z80A processors, just made in 2 micron technology, instead of original 4 micron. No, I shit you not - the most advanced CPU russian domestic industry of 2013 was capable to deliver was a chip from ZX Spectrum.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Thats basically not true, they produce "modern" x86 chips which are utter shit

              https://www.tomshardware.com/news/russias-biggest-bank-tests-elbrus-cpu-finds-it-unacceptable#

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Much like their Baikal stuff these were made over at TSMC.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          crees are made in Russia?
          would have thought China

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How are gonna they secure enough home appliance chipsets?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Or chips

      Probably going to buy the chips from China at a premium with whatever money they have left that isn't embezzled

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    re-building these with state-of-the-art tech

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      well what is that?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The Obiekt 775, or Object 775 (Oбъeкт 775), was a Soviet experimental missile tank built in 1964.

        The tank had an extremely low profile, with a crew of two which sat in an isolated compartment in the turret. The main armament was a 125 mm rifled missile launcher, with a maximum range of 4 km for the "Rubin" anti-tank guided missiles, and 9 km for the "Bur" surface-to-surface missiles. The Obiekt 775T variant used two gas turbine engines.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Absolutely retarded and ugly when the IT-1 already exists and was actually built

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            ...and its Dragon missiles were so fucking shit that ruskies started developing a fucking nuke warhead for these, realising it's a only hope to make it somehow able to knock out an heavy armoured vehicle

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        blini a national russian dish much like a thinner pancake

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          So a crepe ?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      BONK'd tank

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >when you left your toy tanks in the driveway and dad runs them over

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You mean T-90 with Refleks?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      "Make it flat!" - Kruschev probably.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      well what is that?

      BONK'd tank

      Toadline tank. SMASHED and SLAMMED turret girth.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Moma babushkas home made, ham pressed LTs

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      [...]
      [...]
      Toadline tank. SMASHED and SLAMMED turret girth.

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Russia is losing not because they lack tanks. They have the superior armor. They still HAVE the superior numbers in armor. But they are getting outranged and outmaneuvered by Ukraine and making more tanks will not fix this issue.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, but they have to play to their strengths. That's what they know how to do. If they lose the armored edge then they are truly fucked over.
      Reinforce success not failure. They can't simply invent another doctrine and introduce new equipment in a short amount of time.
      In short: they like tanks so they'll build tanks. I still think they're retarded but this is the least retarded idea they had so far.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Imagine a rock paper scissors game.
        You keep throwing rock and the opponent keeps showing you paper.
        The solution is not building more rocks.
        That does fuck all.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >The solution is not building more rocks.
          The problem is you don't have the tech-industry to build scissors, and the opponent has ultra-HD cameras watching wether you're delivering paper or rock to the front.
          Also the opponent has more hands and your hand is numb and limp.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You are going to lose with 10 rocks.
            You are going to lose with 100 rocks.
            The only difference is that losing with 100 rocks takes longer.
            That's it. Either you try something else or prepare an exit strategy. Building more rocks does fuck all because at this point, your opponent is not stopping.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You are approaching this problem with a non retarded mindset and that's not how they operate. Tanks look good on parades and remind them of the good old Red Army days. Of course tanks are the answer to everything! That and artillery comrade!

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >t. only started learning about tank doctrine in March, and only know what he learned from memes.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Build
        Anon the "new" tanks they've "built" are generally old tanks being modernized from the retarded stockpile they had.

        Had. The lions share has already been sent, and they're probably already dipping into the emergency War Reserve.

        They've already downgraded to just half-assed upgraded T-62s, before long they're gonna need to tap into the fucking reserves of T-54 and T-55s.

        >but they have to play to their strengths. That's what they know how to do.
        It hasn't proven to be a strength, not at the start because thunderruns were always a fucking retarded strategy, and it isn't now because they lack the fucking parts and fuel to run the fucking things, let alone use them offensively. Their Doctrine is what got them into that mess, and while you're right in that they'll keep "playing to it" anyway, this is pretty much emblematic of the retardation as a whole.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          T-90Ms are the only new build tanks
          T-72B3Ms and T-80BVMs are upgraded from the existing stockpile

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i have no doubt they can produce tanks, daddy putin will hand over all the bailouts and material solely to make this happen, its just they wont actually give them the neccessary 21st century components to battle another modern tank

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They are producing nothing, anon

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They are producing something.
      But they are producing nothing useful which will turn the tide of the war.
      Their issue is morale, manpower and getting outranged.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I repeat - they are producing literally nothing
        At best, they are going to refurbish mothballed tanks to running condition
        Sensors, guidance, coms - none of this will be present
        It'll be just a self propelled gun for direct fire
        Maybe with a Boefang for the commander, but maybe

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They are producing something.
          But that something is nothing useful.

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      When was this taken, Are they seriously still wasting factory space building these useless pieces of shit?!?!?

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    fellow hohols i am shaking fear in reading this
    why have hato abandoned us? they got their reddit karma and fled! our garden gnome nazi warlord zelensky has stolen our gold and garden gnomeels and fled to tel aviv and left us to die! perhaps we were wrong. perhaps union with our russian brothers not so bad? just a thought

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Am I the only one excited for the end of the war when Ukraine is integrated into NATO? We'll get some absolutely kino T-series slav tanks with integrated western tech. The Ukranians have a lot of experience manufacturing their own tanks so it will be very interesting seeing the hybrids come out. Hope we get some sort of super T-64.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Old Ukrainian boomers who have struggled to make ends meet since the fall of the USSR get to bring their old factories and livelihoods back to life

      Wholesome as fuck ngl.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      implies that after the war there will be such a thing as the so-called Ukraine

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        oh just fuck off back to your basement gulag.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Greater Ukraine doesn't roll off the tongue as easily

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >so-called
        The hallmark of chink and russkie butthurtposting

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's a favorite saying of Jerkin' Girkin.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      there was that T-84-120 Yatagan prototype they made to try to sell to turkey. 120mm Nato compat gun with a rear turret bustle autoloader with blowout panels instead of the usual soviet carousel style. honestly looked pretty promising project that unfortunately didn't get picked up

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >the largest tank manufacturer in Russia

    Disclaimer: They're the largest because they're the only one.

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    scraping the barrel

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      some t-34s were made in during battle of Moscow that rolled straight from factory floor to combat under their own power directly

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Stalingrad, actually. Moscow wasn't doing any tank production. It was mostly Stalingrad, Leningrad and Kharkiv in '41, and the latter two got largely evacuated to the already existing smaller factories in Chelyabinsk and Nishny Tagil when the Germans came rolling in.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        quality doesn't matter, make the tank good enough to get to the battlefield and if 1 in 8 T-34 manage to kill a panzer, it was worth it

  30. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    rusnigs need western parts for their tanks. Their new tanks had Thales sensors from France. Their mechanical shit has parts from siemens and bosch

  31. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why not hire additional workers and expand production capacity?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      With what money?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        With money from money printer.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          America is the only country that can print money without triggering hyper inflation. If Russia tried to do the same thing America did during COVID, their country would collapse.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            But, why not?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I suppose if Putin wanted to end his regime with violent revolution guaranteed, it would be a good idea.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That's not actually how inflation works. That's how journalist and politicians think inflation works.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              America is practically immune to inflation just because of it's geostrategic position. The Fed can print money all day and be absolutely fine because the value of a completely safe and secure hyperconsumer economy is practically unquantifiable. Long term security and a eternal consumer market trumps any abstract notions of currency value.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's a lot of effort to say nothing at all.
                The theory of money is not worth discussing on PrepHole. Plebs like you will always have opinions, only the banks and the treasury need to know how the system actually works.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Pretending to understand a system that is inherently bullshit is the dumber thing. The idea of currency is a bad joke and the United States is based for realizing this.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The idea of currency is a bad joke

                Meds. Now.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Off yourself gold standard fag.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                ...are you genuinely retarded? The dumbass schizo tried to call the idea of ANY currency a bad joke. That's not even gold stnadard, that's striaght back to fucking barter. You have to be off your meds to actually think that's a good idea.

                And the gold standard is fucking obsolete and retarded, too. "Fiat" currencies are the best solution for anyone not a terminally unstable, impoverished shithole.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >fiat is good
                Do some gymnastics around the massive homeless drug markets exploding so everyone can see how full of shit you are. I mean really get into it, explain the CPI and how it relates to housing affordability and dual-earner households. Then proof your work by showing us how this is all a net benefit so long as whatever dumb fucking corporation you work for benefits enough to pay your gay ass out.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >a system that is inherently bullshit
                A WORKING system that is inherently bullshit.
                Plebs pretend to understand the system and complain whenever the other team in the political sportsball does anything, but they all want money.

                Bitcoin was the funniest thing my trained economist arse, because you had a bunch of people talking about how "fiat currency = bad" talking about how rich they were getting speculating on the price of some completely useless computer code in terms of USD. But this isn't PrepHole relevant so I'm going to resist the temptation for any further (you)s on the subject.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                printing money for QE, yes.

                Printing money to give to people, who immediately run to walmart or use it to bid up housing, no

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Burgers did helicopter money and it didn't matter because

                Its more because most burgers used the money to buy stocks and crypto, and when assets gain value then its not inflation but a """bull market"""

                although zoomers quit their mcdicks jobs thinking they were gonna make it in crypto

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Its more because most burgers used the money to buy stocks and crypto, and when assets gain value then its not inflation but a """bull market"""

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Nope... Any country can print money without expecting hyper-inflation. Look at Japan, EU, and Switzerland (check their money expansion rate and inflation rate; there is neither causality or even correlation).

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Because you need velocity for inflation. Magicing a bunch of money into the pockets of bankers doesn’t really mean anything. It’s when people start spending on the consumer level that inflation picks up. Just look at the inflation numbers during the pandemic; basically the lowest of anyone’s life. But as soon as we went back to normal inflation went through the roof from all of the pent up demand that was enabled by money printing and bailouts.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I though Russia didn't need money. Glorious iron will of people of Rus will overcome any barrier.

  32. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >overtime
    what are they going to pay them with? bolts, screws and rivets?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >what are they going to pay them with? bolts, screws and rivets?
      >$1=61.50 Russian Rubles
      One extra dollar.

  33. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    May not be specifically for ukraine. Russia may be forecasting significantly more material losses as it pulls out of mainland ukraine. Even if they aren't destroyed in combat many of its vehicles may be left behind as it turns into a rout.

    Russia appears to be focusing on defending crimea, and has other fronts with other, now emboldened, enemies. It will leave the war bloodied with much of its best equipment lost. Its natural to try and replace them asap.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You think they're actually gonna try to intervene in Armenia?

  34. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    won't forcing employees to work overtime for a war they don't even want for pay they aren't getting just result in a bunch of really shitty equipment at a time when they can't afford to produce the equipment

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      some real go getters will appreciate the extra available overtime

  35. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Russian Federation is not a great bear or even a wounded old bear but a starving geriatric thieving hobo wearing the torn decaying hide of a bear.

  36. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    bit late innit

  37. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    But can they outpace nlaw production?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      OMG yes.
      What you "tanks are obsolete" gays don't realize is you've got to field about 1000 man-portable anti-tank weapons to kill one tank.
      It's not like the other side are sitting there saying "oh I see you have an ATGM, well here is one tank for you to kill with it."

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >you've got to field about 1000 man-portable anti-tank weapons to kill one tank.
        you need exactly ONE Javelin to blow a russian shitbox in to orbit

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          There is at least ONE Javelin sitting in a box at Pakapunyal Army Base in Victoria Australia. It is completely unable to blow up any russian tanks because there are no russian tanks in Victoria Australia.

          How do you solve that problem to guarantee that that SPECIFIC Javilin kills a Russian tank? No other Javelins, you have to take that ONE Javilin and GUARANTEE a kill of a Russian tank.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You field 400 Javelins in a theatre that has 400 soviet shitboxes and all 400 soviet shitboxes go orbital. Simple as that. Its cheaper and easier to make (infinity) amount of Javelins then pouring resources in similar amount of soviet shitboxes.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >I cannot take one Javilin and guarantee one tank kill.
              You can't take 400 and guarantee 400 kills either. Dumbfuck.
              Stop learning about military doctrine from Lockheed marketing material.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You can't take 400 and guarantee 400 kills either. Dumbfuck.
                A fresh Javelin has never missed a succsessful lock on a tank. I eagerly await your proofs to the contrary.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >A fresh Javelin has never missed a succsessful lock on a tank.
                lol, yeah that certainly sounds like a provable claim.

                I don't keep the videos but there was a video of a Javilin fired at a tank at close range that didn't detonate because it didn't reach minimum arming distance. So that's ONE Javelin that didn't achieve a kill. Therefor not all Javelins will achieve kills.
                QED.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >there was a video of a Javilin fired at a tank at close range that didn't detonate because it didn't reach minimum arming distance
                that was an NLAW, not a Jav and the video was from Mariupol

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I know that video and it was an NLAW, retard

                help help Im already freezing to death, pls turn the gas back on
                [...]
                proove otherwise gay or shut the fuck up and stop posting moron

                >A fresh Javelin has never missed a succsessful lock on a tank.
                lol, yeah that certainly sounds like a provable claim.

                I don't keep the videos but there was a video of a Javilin fired at a tank at close range that didn't detonate because it didn't reach minimum arming distance. So that's ONE Javelin that didn't achieve a kill. Therefor not all Javelins will achieve kills.
                QED.

                Javelin has a minimum top down range of 150m, and a minimum direct attack range of 65m.
                N-Law has a 20m arming distance for direct attack, or 100m if you are trying to fire over tank shape + metallic objects using switch as it uses magnetics to detect the tank, thus a 100m arming distance switch to avoid FF.
                It was an NLAW anyway. Either way it was operator error and not a missile failure, the things were given to conscripts.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >the things were given to conscripts.
                You've got to give them to someone. Not everyone in the army is a genius 1337 pro gamer.

                Ergo, it takes more than one Javelin to kill a tank on average.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I would agree, the mission kill rate per missile is probably closer to 90%-95% outside of failures, which is pretty good.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I know that video and it was an NLAW, retard

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >to field about 1000 man-portable anti-tank weapons to kill one tank
        How's it going in the 70s, retarded boomer moron?

  38. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I thought Russia couldn't produce anything modern anymore let alone "overproduce". Are these WW2 tier tanks?

  39. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Damn, a 35% increase in pay? You know damn well those plant wagies are gonna be putting in the work to crank out whatever Putin needs.

  40. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    journalists unable to read facts again
    >overtime work
    That doesn't mean increased production when you're already on wartime footing (according to posturing from 3 months ago).
    It means UVZ has not enough workers to cover all 3 shifts and will now require workers to do overtime.
    Which should come as no surprise since UVZ has skipped on paying out wages.

  41. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ukraine can easily counter this by building more tractors

  42. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ok, its been nice guys, but there are no more worms on the hook. Time to go

  43. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Tanks are mostly irrelevant in this war. Javelins and other AT weapons have greatly reduced the effectiveness of Russia’s greatly superior tank force. Ukraine has very few tanks, and those get squandered as usual. Russia has the hardware to conduct armored break-throughs and maneuver ops — but they don’t have the logistics, training or officer competency to actually do it.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Holy fuck you idiots still exist?
      I thought we sorted you out in march.
      That's retarded and wrong.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't think they're irrelevant at all. They have been used to great effect during large pushes, they just are less effective during artillery duels.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ukraine used their tanks to spearhead this last attack
      Tanks are not irrelevant but they need infantry support

  44. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Woo hoo! Overtime!

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Big job, huh?

  45. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Modern chip fabrication isn’t hard. Cutting-edge tech is very hard, but basic processes that have been in production for decades isn’t. You can buy the lithography machines from China. Then it’s a matter of brining in foreign contractors to setup the manufacturing sites and train locals on what to do. Give it lots of orders and it’ll take care of itself after that.

    Or…just buy a big bulk order of chips from the many chip producers around the world and not bother with setting up a whole industry.

    They just….can’t. Why? The money to pay for such things looks a LOT better in one’s pocket instead. No one in a position of influence of any kind in a minority peasant shithole like Russia will care about their own country. All these people care about is stealing enough to buy a mansion somewhere in the West (or Israel) and retire there ASAP.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Or…just buy a big bulk order of chips from the many chip producers around the world and not bother with setting up a whole industry.
      This is the number one thing holding back countries from setting up their own production lines: They will not be competitive and will just end up costing billions.
      You can buy and smuggle in a lot of stuff with that money.

  46. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They waited this fucking long to add overtime? Why are they not on a three-shift operation?

    It's as if gopniks forgot how to run a society, military industrial complex, wars and everything else.

  47. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What are the impliactions of Russia overproducing tanks WW2 style?

    Why do you imagine they will actually DO that? Overtime for a single shift is just a longer shift and performance turns to shit after 12hrs. You need all the subcontractors to make those components, the logistics system to deliver them, steel mills to make armor etc etc.

  48. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >the impliactions of Russia overproducing tanks WW2 style?
    First point, assuming they can actually do that.
    It means a lot of tanks that fall appart before they reach the frontline and are missing "extraneous feautres" like composite armor, working ERA, working optics, seats for the crew, working dampeners. In WW2, they spammed T-34 that had little in common with the original design and were missing armor, seats, insulation and sometimes even parts of the transmission. Thankfully, they had scores of M4s to plug the gaps.

    The second and more important order of business is whether they can do it. Leaving aside the reliability of your source, introducing "overtime" in a military factory doesn't mean increased production, it means increased work hours.
    That is to say, it implies they are lacking manpower, not that they are ramping up production.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >composite armor
      Composite armor is not complicated, it's just expensive and time consuming to produce.
      >working ERA
      Russians invented ERA.
      >working optics
      WW2 tanks had working optics, we're talking about the difference between 2nd and 3rd generation thermal imaging, not between digital cameras and celluloid.

      Not the guy you'#re arguing with but you're handwaving away a lot of complex logistical, structural and managerial problems. You've got to solve all of those. And they've got to be solved by a jaded, cynical population who are intentionally kept in a state of inertia by the Russian government itself. You MIGHT be able to fast track something like that in an existential war, Britain was able to. Germany however, wasn't. And that's the rub, the Russian people don't give a shit. Putinism's firehose of lies has produced a population that doesn't believe anything, but also doesn't believe IN anything.
      There's a reason they can't get young guys to volunteer, there's a reason they're soldier quality is so low, there's a reason that they're having to recruit from prisons and homeless shelters. Nobody wants to fight for Russia. Maybe some fags like you think it's fun to shill for them online, but different to go to the front line. I suspect if I offered you a plane ticket to Russia and an enlistment with a golden handshake and immediate promotion, you'd tell me no.

      >You've got to solve all of those
      No I don't have to solve shit. I'm not the guy in charge of Russian military electronic procurement.
      Complex logistical, structural and managerial problems are solved by hiring people trained to solve those problems. That costs money. The money is there.

      >see a penny sitting in a pile of dog shit down the street
      >HEY YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PICK THAT PENNY UP? ITS GUARANTEED PROFIT!
      >And a very hungry customer in the form of the Russian government.
      Has hunger ever not been a problem in Russia?

      >I wouldn't pick up a kilogram of gold if it had a spear of dogshit on it.
      If you'd had any training in economics you'd know you were actually making an old joke and fucked up the punchline.
      Two economists are walking down the street, one of them spots a twenty dollar note stuck to the ground with gum. He says "Hey look, there's twenty dollars on the ground."
      The other economists replies "impossible, if there was twenty dollars on the ground, someone would have picked it up."
      The point to the joke being that the market compete away all opportunities for profit, ergo it is impossible to make any profit, ergo the market does work and economists are unemployed.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Just throw money at the problem bro, lol
        And that's how grifters take retards for billions of dollars.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >nothing is ever solved with money
          Have fun being poor.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Do you have any relevant expertise to offer in the field of semiconductor creation? Cause per my layperson understanding (stemming from articles like those below) you are enormously underestimating the technical challenges of making what are arguably the most complicated devices made by man. You can’t just throw money at problems and assume they will be solved - especially when the most highly technically educated Russians are emigrating from Russia in record numbers.

        https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2021-chip-production-why-hard-to-make-semiconductors/?leadSource=uverify%20wall

        https://www.wsj.com/story/there-arent-enough-chips-why-are-they-so-hard-to-make-3e29c7e0

  49. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I just like Soviet/Russian stuff. I wish it was all kept and maintained and improved by some western country.

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