Donald Trump turned out to be a transgender woman who was the secret lover of Vladimir Putin.
It was all made public after the Ukraino-Zimbabwean coalition took Moscow with a surprise winter offensive and the secret letters of Putin were discovered.
Point defense systems like C-RAM and any future laser based systems are about to get much more important. I'm a world of cheap and accurate stand off weapons how do maneuver elements survive? I can see a future where tanks and mechanized infantry rarely venture very far from their respective point defense umbrella. Perhaps in the future organic point defense systems will be developed for vehicles.
A lot of future warfare is going to involve stealth aircraft. Russians can't even dream of killing a HIMARS it because they don't have air superiority. They don't have air superiority because of overwhelming anti-air elements on the Ukrainian side. An F-35, for instance, would be able to chase it down after it fires, or selectively target it in bombing runs. Russia should be able to do this too, assuming they're being honest about the SU-57s capabilities and are really fielding it in Ukraine. (Spoilers: they aren't and they aren't)
Yes that's air supremacy. Meaning there is nothing opposing you from flying wherever you want. Ukraine doesn't have many AD systems but what they do have are enough to keep the Russians flying low and close to the front. They have neither the systems to do modern SEAD ops nor the training / skill to do Wild Weasel.
>Actual question, is it feasible to prebuild ammo depots underground before a conflict or would it be prohibitively expensive?
Like other anons have said, the whole point of depots is to shrink the distance supplies have to travel to get from where you gather them to where you want to use them. This eases logistics and increases your tempo and efficiency. But that necessarily means they need to follow your front too to some extent, and the problem now is that accurate stand off weapons have enough range that they can reach farther then the logistical goal range for a depot is. It's not really feasible to build deep underground with current tech on the fly, and your enemy is unlikely to be obliging about letting you do it on their territory ahead of time.
Active defense is more likely they way to go, though also depots don't HAVE to be as completely moronic as Russian ones are with literally everything just strewn around. It's possible to split things up more and have more barriers so that a single hit only destroys 10-20% say rather then absolutely everything, though of course that just means the enemy needs to use 5-10 missiles instead of 1.
Really it's more just another example of the failure of combined arms. Normally this would be less of a thing because you'd have your own precision standoff weapons and air control and constant intelligence so you could strike back at enemy precision standoff weapons enough to discourage them from significant usage except for supporting their own front line, then you're back to regular warfare.
You’d unironically be better off trying to anchor your supplies off underwater.
Digging a big bunker in the earth to stuff your crap into isn’t going to be a “stealthy” endeavor.
If I were in the Russians position, I’d find or if possible build a lake or swimming pool to store whatever waterproof munitions I’d have.
Surely their rugged arty shells are waterproof?
The area around the depot would get absolutely trashed but the water storage itself should be able to absorb some of the enemy bombardments.
Would at least keep munitions from being blown up as much.
This should work until winter, when water starts to freeze.
You could maybe put them below the ice line and still store them that way?
It’s kind of futile though because you’re just protecting the munitions, your trucks and soldiers are still going to be atomized when the enemy artillery turns its attention to them.
Do you think another missile family will ever replace the standard missiles or will we be firing SM9001's at separatist ammo dumps on Mars?
2 years ago
Anonymous
They're already kind of a "Ship of Theseus" situation. The main fuselage is from the RIM-24 Tartar, continuously upgraded. Until there is a technological breakthrough that requires a larger fuselage, or the Mk41 VLS is replaced by something larger, the Navy will probably keep using some form of Standard Missile.
I wonder if it is possible for the US to make software changes on the missiles or on the launchers so that they only allow for target coordinates within a predefined area? Or missile self destruct if it leaves the area
>gets destroyed 5 minutes after firing due to russian hypersonic missiles
cringe. time for america to send some more 60 year old tech to Ukraine. surely this will change the tide of the war. there's a reason america hasn't sent a single modern piece of equipment to ukraine. they don't want russia to steal it when they eventually win. American goals are to inflict economic damage on russia and not to actually win the war. they know Ukraine will lose it's just a matter of time when. Eastern Ukraine keeps shrinking day by day so it's just a matter of time now until Ukraine loses. Only question is if Russia will demand reparations from America or cause trouble elsewhere to make America pay indirectly for extending the war after they win.
But Russia has yet to fire a single hypersonic missile. Either nut up or shut up, we're all tired of vatnik >IF >WHEN >WE COULD
Either do it or shut the frick up. And if you take out SoCal and/or NYC on your way out, we'd appreciate that, too.
If you have hypersonics then why are you firing anti-ship missiles at civilian shopping centers? If you can easily destroy the HIMARS how come they keep getting away with blowing up your ammo depots?
>if Russia will demand reparations from America
You can try, but it's much like a wienerroach demanding reparations from a can of bug spray. What the frick are you gonna do if we don't pay up? The russian military ain't shit, we scrape more competent militaries than you off our boots every decade. And as far as "winning" goes, simply put, the russian people are suffering far more than the Americans, and that's really all that matters as far as determining who has "won". Your babuska has to take out a payment plan to buy bread and has her son sent off to get slaughtered by Bayraktars on Ukrainian tiktok, meanwhile my only concern is slightly more expensive gas. Which society is superior has never been a question. It's an American world, chump, you're just living in it. Your entire country's existence over the last century was solely focused on trying to be even remotely competitive with us, and you still failed miserably, and are in fact farther behind us than you ever have been.
Are you talking about some future 2030 conflict? Because Russia does not have an operating suite of hypersonic weapons. Pro tip they would have used them to destroy Himars and embarrass the US by now.
It's glorious that the UK and US is going to be able to utterly trounce their most technically advanced rival on the world scale without even firing a shot. The utter domination of NATO 60 year old hardware over the most modern Russian equipment is like a slap in the face reminding Russkaya that the world belongs to the west and they only exist out of our endless beneficence and charity.
>most technogically advanced rival
Who is that? Taiwan? But we're not even l rivals. The novel mongol use of horseback archery and the formation of the twin horns is concerning, but perhaps you meant North Korea's strategem of economic warfare as they demand food aid every year.
Oh no wait, you meant russia. Oh dear. They haven't even teched up to pallets yet.
Buy Chink GMLRS rounds which are compatible with BM-30 Smerch which outranges the HIMARS. That's what the Belorusians did with their Polonez MRL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polonez_(multiple_rocket_launcher)
At 0:09 sec you can see the missile impact nearly 20 meters off target, then right after that the second round misses by like 50-100m. The rest of the strikes are probably the result of firing many rounds on camera and taking the most accurate hits recorded. CEP is probably 50-100m, where GMLRS is 5-10
yes only western and a select few Asian countries (not China) can produce reliable guided rockets. Nothing to fear from the Chinks so please sign up for the military I heard the U.S has a shortage of new recruits
Don't know about that, chink drone that you get at wallmart has better optics and stabilization than state of the art us military drone which produces video of such quality there are always captions below video to actually tell you what those smudges on the screen actually are.
If it makes shareholders rich it's good enough.
At 0:09 sec you can see the missile impact nearly 20 meters off target, then right after that the second round misses by like 50-100m. The rest of the strikes are probably the result of firing many rounds on camera and taking the most accurate hits recorded. CEP is probably 50-100m, where GMLRS is 5-10
At 0:09 sec you can see the missile impact nearly 20 meters off target, then right after that the second round misses by like 50-100m. The rest of the strikes are probably the result of firing many rounds on camera and taking the most accurate hits recorded. CEP is probably 50-100m, where GMLRS is 5-10
Buy Chink GMLRS rounds which are compatible with BM-30 Smerch which outranges the HIMARS. That's what the Belorusians did with their Polonez MRL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polonez_(multiple_rocket_launcher)
>pre-war posts about muh china invading taiwan while russia deals with ukraine >no taiwan invasion and china hasn't even sent military aid to russia
guess how i know russia is going enjoy another year of epic 1 village capture simulator
>CEP is probably 50-100m
In fairness, thats an order of magnitude better than the russian systems this thing is based on, assuming they fired it at max range.
Its also an order of magnitude less accurate than contemporary western systems, but I think the chinks deserve some credit for making it as far as they have
They aren’t in mass production and are far less accurate. There’s a reason professional militaries chose GMLRS.
At 0:09 sec you can see the missile impact nearly 20 meters off target, then right after that the second round misses by like 50-100m. The rest of the strikes are probably the result of firing many rounds on camera and taking the most accurate hits recorded. CEP is probably 50-100m, where GMLRS is 5-10
don't see much difference there... burgers weapons always have shitty reloading, like in tanks you have Black person that actually puts rounds into cannon like it's Columbus era pirate shit.
>don't see much difference there... >don't see much difference in doing something in one action rather than breaking it up into multiple actions to accomplish the same thing
russians do not have the mental capability to engineer.
don't see much difference there... burgers weapons always have shitty reloading, like in tanks you have Black person that actually puts rounds into cannon like it's Columbus era pirate shit.
This is bait. Not even russians are this moronic.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>And blow out panels
not even reactive armor, isis was blowing those up everywhere, imagine if they had to fight against even shit tier slav military, it would be bloodbath.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It has already happened. Largest tank battle since world war 2 was between American Abrams and Iraq republican guard T-72s, which were dug in. Garbage russian tanks couldn't even penetrate the abrams armor, and were wiped out in a little over 3 minutes. Some by following Bradley IFVs
Modern US Abrams also have ADS that actually work, unlike the russian one.
Something like that, but also involves using a winch to load the entire pod. Praying to the troony gods is just something you do to pass the (relatively quick) time, but I don't know how many HIMARS operators worship SEA deities. >Oh mighty Lord and Lady, hallowed be thy programming socks.
4 more HIMARS. The US will provide Ukraine with a new $400 mln aid package
“The $400 million package includes four additional HIMARS and additional ammunition for those HIMARS; three tactical vehicles to “recover equipment, support Ukrainian efforts to repair, resupply as the battle continues;” 1,000 rounds of 155mm artillery ammunition; demolition munitions; counter battery systems; and spare parts and other equipment,” — the official said.
He stressed that the United States will provide a “NEW TYPE” of artillery ammunition.
we still have a eurofighter and a tornado parked somewhere, and i believe if we scrap all tigers except for one for spare parts we can get one of those in the air as well
>russia controls 20% of Ukraine >all of Ukraine's vital resources, industry and most of its shoreline
The whole Kiev debacle was embarassing and the trench warfare we've been seeing for the past several months is show of total incompetence when it comes to modern warfare but Russia has fricked Ukraine permanently
If they can hold this for 3 years sure. But they can't. Months long arty slug fest when ukraine gets more modern NATO weapons every week won't play well for Russia.
How many fricking meme words am I going to see in these shitty spam threads? I can't even count the times I've seen KINO spammed to oblivion. Am I going to see zoomers yelling MOG next?
Why have the Ukrainians not been able to make these kinds of recent strikes on ammo/fuel depots deep in Russian-occupied territory in previous months with their old Uragan and Smerch systems? Are they really that much less accurate than the HIMARS and 270?
>Are they really that much less accurate than the HIMARS and 270
yes. the soviet systems can get you into the village with the ammo dump, the western systems allow you to hit the exits, then the big pile of 152 shells, then the pile of mortar shells, then drop one on the 5th of the dozen trucks currently getting loaded, etc.
The numbers are accurate, but do not translate into numbers in the field.
In the field only about a third will ever be deployed at one time while the rest cycle through training, preventative maintenance or simply being moved about
it's not going to magically increase precision to change the sensor suite without redesigning the entire rest of the vehicle to take advantage of it, and it requires time and resources they don't have
They do on paper have GPS-guided MLRs, but seeimingly not in significant number like the GMLRS. A lot of their precision weapons require a drone to lase a target, and that's often not possible with deep targets.
It stems mostly from the fact that even judging from their videos of LGB's and laser guided strikes, they are very noticeably less accurate than anything put out in the west or even fricking Turkey.
Split forces and use a pincer maneuver
>quickly split army into two, to dodge incoming barrage
where have I seen this
1999 was 30 years ago.
aaaand now I want to play it again, ffs anon
>1999 was 30 years ago
So anon how's 2029, anything crazy happen after 2022?
Donald Trump turned out to be a transgender woman who was the secret lover of Vladimir Putin.
It was all made public after the Ukraino-Zimbabwean coalition took Moscow with a surprise winter offensive and the secret letters of Putin were discovered.
>anything crazy happen after 2022?
I think we already know the answer to that one
How do you split an ammo depot?
How do you split an ammo depot without forklifts too
and pallets
and certified forklift operators
with a HIMARS, obviously.
Point defense systems like C-RAM and any future laser based systems are about to get much more important. I'm a world of cheap and accurate stand off weapons how do maneuver elements survive? I can see a future where tanks and mechanized infantry rarely venture very far from their respective point defense umbrella. Perhaps in the future organic point defense systems will be developed for vehicles.
There is a reason why Poland bought 23 fricking batteries of CAMM.
A lot of future warfare is going to involve stealth aircraft. Russians can't even dream of killing a HIMARS it because they don't have air superiority. They don't have air superiority because of overwhelming anti-air elements on the Ukrainian side. An F-35, for instance, would be able to chase it down after it fires, or selectively target it in bombing runs. Russia should be able to do this too, assuming they're being honest about the SU-57s capabilities and are really fielding it in Ukraine. (Spoilers: they aren't and they aren't)
Russia clearly has air superiority. I think you mean air supremacy.
Lmao probably. They can't just fly around wherever they want so whatever the word for that is.
Yes that's air supremacy. Meaning there is nothing opposing you from flying wherever you want. Ukraine doesn't have many AD systems but what they do have are enough to keep the Russians flying low and close to the front. They have neither the systems to do modern SEAD ops nor the training / skill to do Wild Weasel.
any competent invading force would already be liberally using ciws, particularly near ammo stockpiles
Pretend you destroyed it and strike every nursery with PGMs
*naval-PGMs
I think we need to bump Russian missiles down from PGM to just GM frankly
Maybe even just M
You can always go underground.
Actual question, is it feasible to prebuild ammo depots underground before a conflict or would it be prohibitively expensive?
most are,
but building one on enemy territory is hard/ impossible
Before aconflict easy but expensive, maybe not too much so.
When you're invading and your supply lines have to advance? Not happening.
You just change the fuzing for the rockets and you get the same effects. You can't hide an ammo dump. You have to drive a bajillion trucks to it.
>Actual question, is it feasible to prebuild ammo depots underground before a conflict or would it be prohibitively expensive?
Like other anons have said, the whole point of depots is to shrink the distance supplies have to travel to get from where you gather them to where you want to use them. This eases logistics and increases your tempo and efficiency. But that necessarily means they need to follow your front too to some extent, and the problem now is that accurate stand off weapons have enough range that they can reach farther then the logistical goal range for a depot is. It's not really feasible to build deep underground with current tech on the fly, and your enemy is unlikely to be obliging about letting you do it on their territory ahead of time.
Active defense is more likely they way to go, though also depots don't HAVE to be as completely moronic as Russian ones are with literally everything just strewn around. It's possible to split things up more and have more barriers so that a single hit only destroys 10-20% say rather then absolutely everything, though of course that just means the enemy needs to use 5-10 missiles instead of 1.
Really it's more just another example of the failure of combined arms. Normally this would be less of a thing because you'd have your own precision standoff weapons and air control and constant intelligence so you could strike back at enemy precision standoff weapons enough to discourage them from significant usage except for supporting their own front line, then you're back to regular warfare.
You’d unironically be better off trying to anchor your supplies off underwater.
Digging a big bunker in the earth to stuff your crap into isn’t going to be a “stealthy” endeavor.
If I were in the Russians position, I’d find or if possible build a lake or swimming pool to store whatever waterproof munitions I’d have.
Surely their rugged arty shells are waterproof?
The area around the depot would get absolutely trashed but the water storage itself should be able to absorb some of the enemy bombardments.
Would at least keep munitions from being blown up as much.
This should work until winter, when water starts to freeze.
You could maybe put them below the ice line and still store them that way?
It’s kind of futile though because you’re just protecting the munitions, your trucks and soldiers are still going to be atomized when the enemy artillery turns its attention to them.
Isn't donbass area filled with old mines? Can't Russians stash stuff in those?
>US forced to deploy bunker busters in Donbass
Please stop. My penis can only get so hard.
Spelunking around old mines would probably kill more Russians than the artillery tbh.
So now in addition to UAF and their HIMARS shenanigans Donbabweans have to look out for underground skellingtons clanking their bony buttcheeks.
Someone post the webm, i dont have it saved.
storing them is only half the problem though, you have to get them in and out efficiently, and that's where your idea falls on its face.
Entrance got struck and crumble.
Now you have an ammo burial site
Moskva tried that.
Human wave attack? Human wave attack!
>*laughs in cluster munitions*
Urrah Pobeda! Send next wave!
Reload and shoot em again!
USA is gay as frick for not sending the 500km ammo
If they don't get ATACMS by the end of the year I'm going to throw feces.
it's coming.
they just want to make sure some rogue Ukrainian HIMARS doesn't start lighting up Sevastopol.
But that's what we want them to do.
Based on the current design: 4, in batteries of 4
god i can't wait for land-based SM6 and ESSM. complete global standardization.
>we called it Standard, we meant Fricking Standard, God dammit.
Personally, I can't wait to see CEC getting to cut it's teeth on swathes of Chinese shit boxes crossing the straight
Do you think another missile family will ever replace the standard missiles or will we be firing SM9001's at separatist ammo dumps on Mars?
They're already kind of a "Ship of Theseus" situation. The main fuselage is from the RIM-24 Tartar, continuously upgraded. Until there is a technological breakthrough that requires a larger fuselage, or the Mk41 VLS is replaced by something larger, the Navy will probably keep using some form of Standard Missile.
I wonder if it is possible for the US to make software changes on the missiles or on the launchers so that they only allow for target coordinates within a predefined area? Or missile self destruct if it leaves the area
imagine if these were around slinging dpicm gmlrs during the 100km long traffic jam
damnit
>100km long traffic jam
was taken out by ordinary mortars over the couple of weeks while it was stuck in the mud.
>what do
Russians have 2 options:
1) die
2) leave Ukraine
Simple as
bump
I think this anon is suggesting that only option 1 is viable, it's too late for option 2
what else but to send in the VDV
Cauldron.
>gets destroyed 5 minutes after firing due to russian hypersonic missiles
cringe. time for america to send some more 60 year old tech to Ukraine. surely this will change the tide of the war. there's a reason america hasn't sent a single modern piece of equipment to ukraine. they don't want russia to steal it when they eventually win. American goals are to inflict economic damage on russia and not to actually win the war. they know Ukraine will lose it's just a matter of time when. Eastern Ukraine keeps shrinking day by day so it's just a matter of time now until Ukraine loses. Only question is if Russia will demand reparations from America or cause trouble elsewhere to make America pay indirectly for extending the war after they win.
But Russia has yet to fire a single hypersonic missile. Either nut up or shut up, we're all tired of vatnik
>IF
>WHEN
>WE COULD
Either do it or shut the frick up. And if you take out SoCal and/or NYC on your way out, we'd appreciate that, too.
>due to russian hypersonic missiles
Have they used any of those beyond the one that shot up some farm, which was mostly a propaganda move.
>due to russian hypersonic missiles
If you have hypersonics then why are you firing anti-ship missiles at civilian shopping centers? If you can easily destroy the HIMARS how come they keep getting away with blowing up your ammo depots?
>if Russia will demand reparations from America
You can try, but it's much like a wienerroach demanding reparations from a can of bug spray. What the frick are you gonna do if we don't pay up? The russian military ain't shit, we scrape more competent militaries than you off our boots every decade. And as far as "winning" goes, simply put, the russian people are suffering far more than the Americans, and that's really all that matters as far as determining who has "won". Your babuska has to take out a payment plan to buy bread and has her son sent off to get slaughtered by Bayraktars on Ukrainian tiktok, meanwhile my only concern is slightly more expensive gas. Which society is superior has never been a question. It's an American world, chump, you're just living in it. Your entire country's existence over the last century was solely focused on trying to be even remotely competitive with us, and you still failed miserably, and are in fact farther behind us than you ever have been.
>evades your hyper sonic missile by slowly driving a few hundred yards away because your precision is crap.
Are you talking about some future 2030 conflict? Because Russia does not have an operating suite of hypersonic weapons. Pro tip they would have used them to destroy Himars and embarrass the US by now.
>russia is winning
>picrel
I still can't believe this war is actually happening.
Decades and decades of cold war blueballing, and this is how it ends?
Why is the ukraine still losing tho.
What Russia captured in last 5 days?
Ur mum.
because the himars meme was easy propaganda for reddit
sure thing bud
still early days for the ammo dump effect
hopefully next the himars move onto arty itself once the ammo dumps are gone, them it's all over red rover
Im pretty sure the invasion plan was already fricked before the HIMARS arrived
It's glorious that the UK and US is going to be able to utterly trounce their most technically advanced rival on the world scale without even firing a shot. The utter domination of NATO 60 year old hardware over the most modern Russian equipment is like a slap in the face reminding Russkaya that the world belongs to the west and they only exist out of our endless beneficence and charity.
>most technogically advanced rival
Who is that? Taiwan? But we're not even l rivals. The novel mongol use of horseback archery and the formation of the twin horns is concerning, but perhaps you meant North Korea's strategem of economic warfare as they demand food aid every year.
Oh no wait, you meant russia. Oh dear. They haven't even teched up to pallets yet.
Don't start virgin resource wars with chad territorial organizations and their friends.
Buy Chink GMLRS rounds which are compatible with BM-30 Smerch which outranges the HIMARS. That's what the Belorusians did with their Polonez MRL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polonez_(multiple_rocket_launcher)
They aren’t in mass production and are far less accurate. There’s a reason professional militaries chose GMLRS.
White glove carefully produced tests. Not impressive
You just described every US missile test since the beginning of time. Cope, seethe and dialate. Maybe sit on your dragon dildo collection.
Except the US repeatedly engages in meaningless conflicts every couple decades to see how effective the missiles and equipment actually are.
Our ICBMs are more accurate than your short range tactical guided missles LMAO
you're forgetting the part where US systems actually see combat
yes only western and a select few Asian countries (not China) can produce reliable guided rockets. Nothing to fear from the Chinks so please sign up for the military I heard the U.S has a shortage of new recruits
Don't know about that, chink drone that you get at wallmart has better optics and stabilization than state of the art us military drone which produces video of such quality there are always captions below video to actually tell you what those smudges on the screen actually are.
If it makes shareholders rich it's good enough.
>Pits already pre-dug and filled with explosive to simulate missile impact
Kek
>shows X missiles launched, shows Y "missiles" hit
Kekek
>China has a news station literally called CCTV
lmao
At 0:09 sec you can see the missile impact nearly 20 meters off target, then right after that the second round misses by like 50-100m. The rest of the strikes are probably the result of firing many rounds on camera and taking the most accurate hits recorded. CEP is probably 50-100m, where GMLRS is 5-10
>CEP 100m
that's minute-of-ammo-dump though. it'll do, piggie, it'll do.
>pre-war posts about muh china invading taiwan while russia deals with ukraine
>no taiwan invasion and china hasn't even sent military aid to russia
guess how i know russia is going enjoy another year of epic 1 village capture simulator
>CEP is probably 50-100m
In fairness, thats an order of magnitude better than the russian systems this thing is based on, assuming they fired it at max range.
Its also an order of magnitude less accurate than contemporary western systems, but I think the chinks deserve some credit for making it as far as they have
use vdv to intercept the missiles in air.
Underrated
they're busy with naval EOD
what vdv? Do you mean dig up the corpses and use them?
*reloads one tube at a time requiring the use of another specialty truck*
Okay and? How does HIMARS reload? Pray to the troony gods the the rocket tubes just refill themselves?
it sort of reloads itself
don't see much difference there... burgers weapons always have shitty reloading, like in tanks you have Black person that actually puts rounds into cannon like it's Columbus era pirate shit.
>don't see much difference there...
>don't see much difference in doing something in one action rather than breaking it up into multiple actions to accomplish the same thing
russians do not have the mental capability to engineer.
and the Abrams has a higher ROF than Russian autoloaders, funny
And blow out panels
This is bait. Not even russians are this moronic.
>And blow out panels
not even reactive armor, isis was blowing those up everywhere, imagine if they had to fight against even shit tier slav military, it would be bloodbath.
It has already happened. Largest tank battle since world war 2 was between American Abrams and Iraq republican guard T-72s, which were dug in. Garbage russian tanks couldn't even penetrate the abrams armor, and were wiped out in a little over 3 minutes. Some by following Bradley IFVs
Modern US Abrams also have ADS that actually work, unlike the russian one.
>reloads 4x faster that pidar autoloader systems
Human loader is actually faster than autoloader
Autoloaders main purpose is to make tanks smaller by removing 1 person
How is that working out for Russia and their small tanks?
Anyways autoloaders will become norm when they upgun MBTs
For 120mm and down, human loaders are better but when the ammo becomes heavier and larger, autoloaders will be needed
Russian autoloaders are a big reason as to why their tanks are death traps.
Something like that, but also involves using a winch to load the entire pod. Praying to the troony gods is just something you do to pass the (relatively quick) time, but I don't know how many HIMARS operators worship SEA deities.
>Oh mighty Lord and Lady, hallowed be thy programming socks.
It really is a great system.
It really is, like half a dozen little baby Tomahawks. Come to think of it, how many Tomahawks could fit in a shipping container form factor VLS?
>seething russian can't understand good logistics even when the enemy shows them to him
Lmao, please keep fighting to the last man.
Pretty much, yeah. Ain't western technology something?
you're still seething
Huh, weird, could've swore there was a bit more red around Kiev and Kharkov... oh well, must've been my imagination.
it was just a feint
>the deports aren't destroyed if I refuse to acknowledge them
4 more HIMARS. The US will provide Ukraine with a new $400 mln aid package
“The $400 million package includes four additional HIMARS and additional ammunition for those HIMARS; three tactical vehicles to “recover equipment, support Ukrainian efforts to repair, resupply as the battle continues;” 1,000 rounds of 155mm artillery ammunition; demolition munitions; counter battery systems; and spare parts and other equipment,” — the official said.
He stressed that the United States will provide a “NEW TYPE” of artillery ammunition.
ATACMS?
Excalibur GPS rounds probably for the Paladins
>ATACMS
not yet sadly
Excalibur rounds seems like. The long range precision guided 155mm shells
It should be noted that Germany is sending 4 MARS systems and rockets as well.
That leaves Germanys defense to a single Leo2, a PzH2000 without ammo and a bunch of sharp sticks.
we still have a eurofighter and a tornado parked somewhere, and i believe if we scrap all tigers except for one for spare parts we can get one of those in the air as well
Why don’t the russians airstrike it? They do have air superiority, right?
>russia controls 20% of Ukraine
>all of Ukraine's vital resources, industry and most of its shoreline
The whole Kiev debacle was embarassing and the trench warfare we've been seeing for the past several months is show of total incompetence when it comes to modern warfare but Russia has fricked Ukraine permanently
she has AIDS
America would have all of Ukraine and they don’t even share a border. This is a terrible look for Russia
>Russia has fricked Ukraine permanently
Countries have came back from much worse
Everything Russia wrecked, the West can rebuild Japan came back from the fricking A-Bombs.
Black person Japan was levelled up at some point, look at it now.
who is loose lady wearing funny hat
If they can hold this for 3 years sure. But they can't. Months long arty slug fest when ukraine gets more modern NATO weapons every week won't play well for Russia.
>mauser
>not nagant
0/10
How many fricking meme words am I going to see in these shitty spam threads? I can't even count the times I've seen KINO spammed to oblivion. Am I going to see zoomers yelling MOG next?
you bussin fr fr no cap
Soon she'll be loot. Or for sale for less than a Cheeseburger.
Source: It came to me in a dream.
Look at this guy mald. he's not bussin at all fr fr on God
Why have the Ukrainians not been able to make these kinds of recent strikes on ammo/fuel depots deep in Russian-occupied territory in previous months with their old Uragan and Smerch systems? Are they really that much less accurate than the HIMARS and 270?
yea kind of
The difference is night and day
They hit some high value targets with Tochka ballistic missiles, but I don't think Ukrainians have a single guided munition for the BM-27.
>Are they really that much less accurate than the HIMARS and 270
yes. the soviet systems can get you into the village with the ammo dump, the western systems allow you to hit the exits, then the big pile of 152 shells, then the pile of mortar shells, then drop one on the 5th of the dozen trucks currently getting loaded, etc.
>slavshit
>accurate
CNN our allies? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AVYYIUhkOc
So... officially Ukraine have 18 Western MLRS now. Are the numbers accurate, or are they hiding some more?
The numbers are accurate, but do not translate into numbers in the field.
In the field only about a third will ever be deployed at one time while the rest cycle through training, preventative maintenance or simply being moved about
HIMARS are the new ghost of kiev. Russia is going to keep bombarding with artillery, and eventually israelitekraine will surrender.
Ukrainians at last started to take their land back, i believe in 2 weeks they will reach the russian borders due to HIMARS.
god i would colonize and re-educate him
Ruzzia sent many Kalibr missiles to hit irrelevant mostly empty apartments why not send a few to destroy these vehicles?
>destroy mobile point targets with a cruise missile that has a CEP measured in rhode islands
Can they not fit an a TV or IR sensor on the missile and have it turn into a Maverick at the end of it's flight path?
it's not going to magically increase precision to change the sensor suite without redesigning the entire rest of the vehicle to take advantage of it, and it requires time and resources they don't have
just order them from the black market, the ukraine king will sell if he spot a black market ads for them
"Ukranian from Donbas"
Even if this wasn't bullshit who cares? Russia can't even build a quality car. Cavemen would have better luck reverse engineering indoor plumbing.
>vatniks are STILL using that one tankie twitter post as proof
As stated again and again, post captured caesar.
I don't understand what's the big deal about a bunch of rockets on a truck.
>pinpoint accurate GMLRS with sub 5 meter precision and 80 km range
It's simple, the russians have nothing approaching that.
They do on paper have GPS-guided MLRs, but seeimingly not in significant number like the GMLRS. A lot of their precision weapons require a drone to lase a target, and that's often not possible with deep targets.
It stems mostly from the fact that even judging from their videos of LGB's and laser guided strikes, they are very noticeably less accurate than anything put out in the west or even fricking Turkey.