You can range targets of known size with any optic that has reticle features with known subtensions. You can range targets with an Aimpoint or EOTech if you really want to, but that doesn't make a 2 MOA dot or A65 circle dot ranging reticles in any meaningful sense.
It's a combat sight, and made for human targets.
An ACOG is also a combat sight made for shooting people, but even a 1.5x ACOG has way more going for it than the A1 carry handle optic, to say nothing of higher magnification ACOGs with actual ranging features and BDCs.
The Sig, prior to them getting the US Gov't contract because you just KNOW that they're gonna pull a Colt and frick around on their QC with all those taxpayer dollars coming in
No.
True Velocity probably will never make the guns given that they were an ammo company, and Lone Star was just a small scale manufacturing firm.
If they do make any, expect nothing less than the $5k mark, and probably well over that.
Beretta was contracted for the engineering work.
I don't believe they were ever meant to be involved on the manufacturing side. > True Velocity and global weapon manufacturer Beretta USA announced on Wednesday a strategic partnership in support of potential weapon production stemming from the U.S. Army’s Next Generation Squad Weapon program. >True Velocity subsidiary LoneStar Future Weapons is the prime contractor in the team’s bid for the NGSW program, which is designed to replace the U.S. Army’s currently fielded 5.56x45mm NATO cartridge and the M4 carbine and M249 Squad Automatic Weapon that fire it. Beretta USA will assist LSFW and True Velocity with the production, assembly and testing of key components of the RM277 rifle and automatic rifle submitted as part of the team’s bid for NGSW. Both weapons are configured to fire True Velocity’s proprietary 6.8TVCM composite-cased cartridge.
From Beretta's site. Engineering and advisory aspects.
Beretta was contracted for the engineering work.
I don't believe they were ever meant to be involved on the manufacturing side. > True Velocity and global weapon manufacturer Beretta USA announced on Wednesday a strategic partnership in support of potential weapon production stemming from the U.S. Army’s Next Generation Squad Weapon program. >True Velocity subsidiary LoneStar Future Weapons is the prime contractor in the team’s bid for the NGSW program, which is designed to replace the U.S. Army’s currently fielded 5.56x45mm NATO cartridge and the M4 carbine and M249 Squad Automatic Weapon that fire it. Beretta USA will assist LSFW and True Velocity with the production, assembly and testing of key components of the RM277 rifle and automatic rifle submitted as part of the team’s bid for NGSW. Both weapons are configured to fire True Velocity’s proprietary 6.8TVCM composite-cased cartridge.
From Beretta's site. Engineering and advisory aspects.
Where does General Dynamics factor in to this? I swear I heard their name getting thrown around for this project
An ad is worth the pixels its displayed with.
There has been vaporware that got further along the production line than the 'Amicus' and those were made by actual firearms companies.
General Dynamics OTS patented the recoil mitigation mechanism used in the gun and started the trial bid for it. Apparently going through Lone Star Future Weapons as a subcontractor for the fabrication for the trials. LSFW sold itself as a 'rapid prototyping' company for small scale and often changing manufacture.
True Velocity was partnered with them as the ammo manufacturer and designer. It being a joint bid between TV and GD.
Beretta was brought on as expert advisors for the gun design. And later stepped into production advisory apparently.
Eventually GD sold/handed off the gun patents or at least the right to the gun design itself off to True Velocity, who then bought up Lone Star.
Yeah, it was funky stuff to follow.
That True Velocity seemed really certain they were going to win, put a lot up economically on this project to lose. Thats how trials go. Not everyone comes out the other side in one piece.
2 years ago
Anonymous
especially if the game is rigged from the start
2 years ago
Anonymous
>True Velocity seemed really certain they were going to win
I can't say I blame em
2 years ago
Anonymous
They should have won purely for the ammo. Not for the rifle. The morons didn't even make a lmg.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>the morons made a box-fed automatic rifle because Uncle Sam's Misbegotten Crayoneaters asked for one >not that it matters since any .308 LMG can be converted to 6.8 TVC with a barrel swap
2 years ago
Anonymous
They didn't want a caliber conversion, they wanted a new LMG. The entire program was low key a trial for a LMG.
2 years ago
Anonymous
maybe if they wanted a new LMG they should have had a contest for a new LMG instead of a "Next Generation Squad Weapon"
2 years ago
Anonymous
Nah, the PON notice talks about how the rifle is weighted slightly more than the MG. >4.2 Order of Importance >Factor 1 – NGSW-R is slightly more important than Factor 2 – NGSW-AR which is more important than Factor 3 – Special License Agreements, which is more important than Factor 4 – Price. Factor 1 – NGSW-R Sub-Factors are of equal importance. Factor 2 – NGSW-AR 1 Sub-Factors are of equal importance
https://sam.gov/api/prod/opps/v3/opportunities/resources/files/61586b35d41e905fcfcc98449ca459c9/download?&token=
2 years ago
Anonymous
If the rifle is more important than the automatic rifle, and both are more important than price, then there's no way Sig won legitimately.
Until we get testing reports we can't say.
Maybe the moving barrel on the bullpup made it inaccurate. Maybe the plastic ammo was sticky and had poor extraction in strenuous testing. Maybe the gun just wasn't all there in the end.
There can be a million small details that would turn a good gun concept into a mediocre gun design that you can't see from the outside.
SIG is so-so much of the time, but they generally put out competent designs, at least in the testing phases.
2 years ago
Anonymous
This is a reasonable opinion.
I swear, the most harm the M-14 did was giving the impression that every US procurement effort since has been rigged from jump.
2 years ago
Anonymous
They were all bad choices though, because they were all battle rifles. M14's problems weren't just in reliability, even if it was reliable and accurate it was still a shit choice for how modern wars are fought because it's too heavy and difficult to control. Even going back to WW2, yeah they had some great bolt action rifles and and garands were great, but so many of the battles throughout the war were fought and won using M1 carbines and MP40s and other small handy weapons. People hadn't quite figured out short barreled automatic rifles yet, but the submachineguns and carbines filled that niche until they did. Now submachineguns have almost completely disappeared because short barreled rifles can do almost everything they do better now.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The original adoption of the M14 wasn't that sketchy.
Under the testing done the guns were essentially comparable and the M14 being slightly lighter and more similar to the M1 Garand was good enough justification for adoption.
The problems all came later where the tooling had to be made from scratch because they'd changed too much from the Garand to keep using it. Despite half the reason for the M14's design being reusing most of that tooling.
Then the subcontractors all unanimously shit the bed in quality and production timelines.
Then Vietnam came and we learned all again how hard jungle fighting can be on a wood and iron rifle.
Then under McNamara every military agency that couldn't justify itself right then was being closed down or privatized, so the leaders of Springfield and the remains of the Ordnance Department worked together to keep each other in existence.
At the same time Colt was advertising their AR15s as not needing cleaning, and the Army itself was trying to cost cut and use dirty shitty powder. All together it was a mess from all angles.
It was a shitshow and many of those involved should have been tried for treason. But its a lot more complicated than people think.
2 years ago
Anonymous
This is a reasonable opinion.
I swear, the most harm the M-14 did was giving the impression that every US procurement effort since has been rigged from jump.
It's certainly possible that the RM277 had some show-stopping bug that nobody outside the procurement process is aware of, but is that really more likely than Big Army putting a finger on the scales to give Sig yet another juicy-ass contract?
2 years ago
Anonymous
If it was just nepotism this contract would have been won by Textron, given that it was inspired by the LSAT development and the Fed has been paying for that for 15 years now.
An ad is worth the pixels its displayed with.
There has been vaporware that got further along the production line than the 'Amicus' and those were made by actual firearms companies.
General Dynamics OTS patented the recoil mitigation mechanism used in the gun and started the trial bid for it. Apparently going through Lone Star Future Weapons as a subcontractor for the fabrication for the trials. LSFW sold itself as a 'rapid prototyping' company for small scale and often changing manufacture.
True Velocity was partnered with them as the ammo manufacturer and designer. It being a joint bid between TV and GD.
Beretta was brought on as expert advisors for the gun design. And later stepped into production advisory apparently.
Eventually GD sold/handed off the gun patents or at least the right to the gun design itself off to True Velocity, who then bought up Lone Star.
I got the exact order of the last two bits off. Not that it matters and part of it is just corporate structure chicanery.
General Dynamics handed off the bid to Lone Star before True Velocity bought out the Lone Star company.
Lithgow was about to start selling them state side and then some high profile mass shooting took place and they claimed they didn't want to sell it.
Yes, this is true. Yes I'm fricking pissed because now I'm stuck with an Aug
They tried making it in 6.5 a while ago but im not sure how that went. pic related is a mock up.
[...]
what is this and is it available for purchase in the usa?
EF88, ADF model that had a very limited number of civil F90s that never went to market but they are basically the same. If you don't wanna work for the ADF I wish you luck trying to get your hands on one.
I seriously considered it, especially since all the aftermarket shit they come with (particularly the discontinued MI rail that they refuse to do another run of) makes them a great deal, but ultimately decided that I don't really need another AUG; as much as I love the platform, I just don't do that much carbine work so the money would be better spent elsewhere.
If youre talking about the ARID Defense one then youre bombastically moronic if you somehow garnered it was an AR trigger
2 years ago
Anonymous
He's talking about some 3D printer weirdo, also Geissele and Corvus are allegedly co-developing an improved AUG trigger pack, which (knowing Geissele) will probably consist of an SSA with some kind of shoe to make it fit in the box.
I wish they still did CL here too for AUGs, but the nitride ones are fine.
Switzerland has been nitriding Sig 550s and 553s for decades with no problems in heavy use by moronic conscripts. Nitriding is fine if it's done right; a lot of places don't.
I own both nitride and chromed AUG barrels and have seen no difference between either with a post 86 pack. YMMV, my nitride barrel is older so idk if nuSteyr fricked them up over coof shit.
Pic related, top 20 inch has a CL barrel, shorter one is nitrided.
Weird; I almost placed an order with them, and ended up ordering from Steyr USA instead because Corvus wanted like $150 shipping for a fricking case deflector - which implies that they would have shipped it if I had been foolish enough to continue
i could just buy a brand new AUG for $1700 though?
Those posurp AUGs come with a CD case deflector and mag catch, MI extendo rail, GHW FLEx QD socket, maybe a suppressor gas plug, and the knowledge that they might have a body count (if you're into that)
so it's the same price as a new AUG for a used AUG with a bunch of aftermarket stuff you were probably going to install anyway (except for the MI rail, which is discontinued and which they refuse to do another run of)
Even the cheapest shittest PSA parts kit in the cheapest, blem-est AR lower makes a better trigger than the aug.
2 years ago
Anonymous
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stock AR triggers are nowhere near as bad as the AUG. The biggest downside of the AUG is it's completely shit trigger, only a moron would defend it.
I’m not defending the stock trigger morons, I’m saying that the trigger with the 20/20 sear isn’t bad at all. In fact it’s nice and crisp. There are multiple ways to improve the AUGs trigger nowadays
>Captcha: AT8KKK
2 years ago
Anonymous
Too bad they didn't just design it right in the first place.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>anon asks if the trigger is good >the answer to his question is that the trigger is fricking terrible and needs to be upgraded >... >some borderline moronic anon starts foaming at the mouth and wailing about how aftermarket trigger components are the same thing as the stock trigger >he will likely continue to do so
2 years ago
Anonymous
You can make the AUG trigger good. How is that so difficult for you to understand? You screech about it being so shitty, but it’s an easy fix
2 years ago
Anonymous
>You can make the AUG trigger good
no one has said anything to the contrary
When someone asks how the trigger on the AUG is and your first response is to say >IT CAN BE FIXED, AFTERMARKET HAS GOOD OPTIONS
you're just admitting it's a bad trigger, how is that so difficult for you to understand?
No I don't go to reddit, I'm just in the beta chat room for the nylon AUG and saw it posted. AR trigger pack will be included in the beta release.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Oh ok nice.
Give me the rundown on the nylon AUG
2 years ago
Anonymous
$200 Malaysian AUG parts kits. AUG bolt has same lug pattern as AR-15 and a gas block journal that is thicker and with the port on the side. Headspace AR-15 barrel to AUG bolt by removing the extension and installing shims, sleeve up the gas block journal to fit AUG gas block (alternatively, there is a guy making custom barrels for this project from blanks that need no modification). This means you lose the fancy QD barrel mechanism but this also makes the receiver a lot simpler. Full auto denials are done by notching the FCG housing, epoxying and pinning metal bars in the stock where the FCG housing goes, making a cutout in the stock so the receiver will not fit an unmodified stock, and a couple other things. Print trunnion parts in carbon fiber or glass fiber filled nylon or some other filament that is equally strong, stiff, and heat resistant, you do need a hot end capable of 270C+ for this. Other non-critical parts are fine to print in PLA+ but personally I'm going all nylon all the way. There are also printable clones of some aftermarket parts like charging handles, brass deflectors, and mag releases in the works.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Ah ok so you’re not printing the stock, just the receiver?
That’s pretty cool either way
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yep exactly. Though I'm sure someone will come up with a printable stock eventually. Maybe even a heretical unbullpupped AUG. The possibilities are endless.
The trigger is way worse than you'd expect from a comparably-priced AR, but there's nothing wrong with it; it just isn't "nice". If you can shoot, it won't get in your way.
Only thing it mogs is other bullpups. It is an incredibly well thought out rifle for the 70s but now it's nothing more than a mediocre competitor in a saturated market of equally reliable rifles with better ergos and modularity.
As much as I love the AUG the first guy has a legitimate point. The cross bar safety is a bit unergonomic while a progressive trigger is shitty for an experienced shooter and dangerous for an inexperienced one.
The crossbolt safety is less ergonomic than an AR safety, but it's not like an AK safety that forces you to completely break your shooting hand grip to operate it, and while the progressive trigger takes some getting used to, it helps the gun achieve one of its design goals -being fully usable with heavy winter mittens - without the need for separate safety and selector controls.
>Lmao what would hard soup even be?
The alcohol keeps it from going bad a bit longer with no refrigeration after opening? Or keeps it from spoiling even if it's some shithole that doesn't actually understand proper sanitary hot sealing of cans? Like if your borscht is 40% vodka it could probably just be put into tupperware and still last a while I dunno.
Because the stock comprises 90% of the gun's surface area and comes in drab nature colors from the factory; it's not like an AR where the gun is Target Indicator Black by default and you have to go out of your way to paint it and/or kit it out with reasonably-colored furniture.
If you live close enough to the border and have a leaf friend willing to throw one over you can, but you can't buy them here, no.
By all accounts they're just as... rough around the edges as you'd expect a $600 Made In China rifle to be, but I'd still rather have a QBZ than an AR.
How dare you insult the beautiful and mighty Kalash. If it came in a viable bullpup form it would be a top weapon of all time, that and the G3 would be the greatest bullpups ever made.
Everything about the AK sucks except the gas system and bolt+trunnion mechanism.
Kalashnikov was a genius when it came to mechanical design. Clean, simple, easy to maintain. I love my AK just for the internals.
Everything else about the AK is terrible though. It was outdated back when they developed the AK74.
Wow, the odds of me getting an AUG were pretty slim but if I'd have to buy a bunch of special mags for it too that's going to push me pretty close to 0% odds.
You don't have to buy AUG mags. They make a special version of the rifle that comes with a stock that accepts AR mags, for special people like you who are unreasonably fixated on magazine commonality.
https://atlanticfirearms.com/steyr-aug-a3-m1-black-nato-extended-rail
It's objectively worse in basically every respect and costs as much as a normal AUG plus ten Magpul AUG mags, but it exists.
no bolt release button; one of the trigger bars is removed to make room for the side mag catch, making the trigger worse; the feedramps on the receiver are at slightly too wide an angle for 100% reliable feeding from STANAGs since they were cut with AUG mags in mind; no option for left-handed ejection; it costs enough extra that you could have just bought a bunch of AUG mags instead; everyone on /k/ will laugh at you for being a NATO stock pleb
Yes, Steyr AUG mags are $40-50. Magpul AUG mags are $18.
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1016447058
Your next line is "Hey, that's $18.95; I was promised $18 magazines"
2 years ago
Anonymous
The only mags I paid close $40 for were the 42 round waffles at $37 and a couple of ten rounders for when I want to be state legal. The regular 30s were like 28. Prices are probably up from panic buying.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The only mags I paid close $40 for were the 42 round waffles at $37 and a couple of ten rounders for when I want to be state legal. The regular 30s were like 28. Prices are probably up from panic buying.
Aug mags are frequently ~$25 for the 30s. I bought a stack of 10 when I picked up my Aug. Pic related was taken just before writing this reply.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Steyr AUG mags are $40-50 >$27.50
https://v1tactical.com/product/aug-30-rd-green-magazine/ >God, why do people lie?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>say that waffle mags are $40-50 >everyone comes out of the woodwork with (still relatively expensive) $28 waffles
2 years ago
Anonymous
As bait to spoonfeed mag links, a win.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>$28 >Relatively expensive
So you don't own anything FN, huh?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yes, obviously 28 USD dollars is cheap relative to, say, $56 for a FAL mag with a plastic bumper pad or $56 for a Hi-power mag that doesn't work in most Hi-powers, but it's almost unjustifiably expensive relative to $18.95, especially given that Magpul's AUG mags are lighter, have a more useful texture, retain the top rounds better when dropped or vigorously inserted on an open bolt, have thinner floorplates that stack better in double mag pouches, and have anti-tilt followers.
The only things Steyr mags have going for them is aesthetics and compatibility with Maglula's AUG magazine loading tool.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>almost unjustifiably expensive relative to $18.95
I will never agree with this. Maybe when gaypul comes out with P90 mags for $9.99 less I wil... nope.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I've never used the Magpul aug mags, but comparing Steyr to Magpul standard mags, the Steyr has much thicker walls, I'm assuming this means they'll last longer. Ultimately, I'm sure the Magpul are a better deal - nothing European is cost efficient except maybe Glock which I won't buy because I'm not black.
Steyr mags just look good - I'd only buy 3rd party if someone made an aluminum aug mag.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The Magpul AUG mags won't pop a round out if you seat them with moron strength on an open bolt. I too like the looks of the waffle mags better but have moved to the Magpul AUG mags for the most part due to this bc im a moron and slap things hard.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>the Steyr has much thicker walls, I'm assuming this means they'll last longer
I'm confident it just means that the Steyr mags were designed in the 70s and are accordingly 30-40 years behind the curve on polymer science compared to the Magpuls, necessitating the use of more material to achieve the same level of durability.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Could be. Also could mean the feed lips won't separate over time like the Magpul. I'm going to assume both are true.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>the Steyr has much thicker walls, I'm assuming this means they'll last longer
I'm confident it just means that the Steyr mags were designed in the 70s and are accordingly 30-40 years behind the curve on polymer science compared to the Magpuls, necessitating the use of more material to achieve the same level of durability.
I don't really care, both are reliable enough but I only buy Steyr mags because they look cooler.
2 years ago
Anonymous
understandable, have a great day
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Steyr mags have thicker walls
I can assure you after handling them both extensively the magpuls are more durable. I own mostly steyr mags for the look and feel, but have 5 magpuls for if shit actually happens/practice
2 years ago
Anonymous
No shit. Guess I'll pick up some magpuls.
I guess it makes sense that they'd have to be thicker or they probably wouldn't fit right.
Are there any handguards for the AUG that are similar to this? This is obviously an airshit and the mouth thing is gay but it looks max practical if there were something like it for the real one. I just don't like vertical grips bros.
I'm somewhat new to the AUG. Impression so far is that it's like having a SBR without the gimped velocity and with a somewhat shitty trigger (even with the 20/20 sear).
It feels much more solid than I was expecting for something that's 70% polymer.
If you want the suppressor gas selector, order it now. They were always out of stock over the past few years until recently. Same thing with a lefty bolt.
If you do QD slings, you'll want to get the rear attachment. Probably a brass deflector, too.
I did the aug cut talon grips - hybrid in the back and rubber in the front. They're pricey but worth it.
First response is correct. One thing to consider is that you'll want to research what suppressor you put on it. It definitely plays better with some more than others, and gas is going to vent closer to your face.
You would think that, considering that people buying semi-auto AUGs are way more likely to own suppressors than they are to own rifle grenades, but no.
the stock charging handle is perfect for anyone with XY chromosomes
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm actually good with it, even as a lefty.
Was joking based on seeing other people b***h about it a lot. My only small complaint is that it's tough to get out of the locked back position from underneath.
The OEM charging handle is fine if you pull it with an underhand grip straight back toward the heel of the stock. If anything, they got it right the first time and fricked it up with the new floppy one.
looks like a SCAR 16S mag you dragged down your 500 yd long driveway
the fact that you're using the front QD cup that puts the end of your sling right next to the charging handle is by far the worst thing about that image
>miserable, garbage, indescribably bad trigger >cross-bolt safety >terrible mag release position >forward accessory mounting severly limited without unobtainium A3 rail
The AUG mogs absolutely nothing. Yes it looks cool and I'm pretty sure that is the single reason so many people claim it's the second coming in bullpup form. The only practical feature it has is its quick change barrel, but despite that if you actually had to use the rifle an X95 is superior in every way.
>Trigger is as bad as your typical shitty combat trigger >Who actually uses a safety? >There are tons of ways to get around forward mounting - a simple Google image search will show this >Mag release position is fine >Quick change barrel is really not that impressive on a 16"
Jews cheaping out because their consripts only need to shoot minute of Palestinian child vs Germanics being physically unable to compromise on engineering questions
>trigger feels like a really good Nerf gun trigger, and in any case is consistent enough that you can learn to work with it >yes, and? >mag release in the same position as a FAL or AK; not great, not terrible >only major issues are certain lasers bulging out into the path of the charging handle and not having enough room on the top rail for a laser and an LPVO; if you just want a day optic and a white light you have plenty of rail estate
The best rifle is the one you actually like and are motivated to practice with consistently. It doesn't matter how good your AR15 or X95 is on paper if you feel like it was forced on you by external forces and shooting it feels like a second job that costs you money. There's nothing functionally wrong with the AUG, although it requiring special magazines and spare parts is something to factor in when you're daydreaming about "using the 2nd Amendment as intended"
no bolt release button; one of the trigger bars is removed to make room for the side mag catch, making the trigger worse; the feedramps on the receiver are at slightly too wide an angle for 100% reliable feeding from STANAGs since they were cut with AUG mags in mind; no option for left-handed ejection; it costs enough extra that you could have just bought a bunch of AUG mags instead; everyone on /k/ will laugh at you for being a NATO stock pleb
I think I heard the warrior poet Christian manlet guy complain about bullpups blasting gas in your face when you switch shoulders when clearing rooms, is this true?
It's probably not without merit, since the ejection port is right in front of your face and a certain amount of gas will vent there, but most of it is going to be vented from the gas block.
Even if it were just as bad as he makes it out to be, it's a momentary annoyance that only comes up if you have to grease somebody while going around a wrong-handed corner, compared to the constant gas in the face you get from a suppressed or sufficiently overgassed AR, or the constant barrel management you have to do with a non-bullpup non-SBR any time you move through a space that doesn't allow a full yard of clear space out in front of you.
A lot of the complaints people have about bullpups are them making much ado about nothing to justify their fetishization of the gun the Army uses.
Detailed and useful reply. Thank you. I'm getting closer to pulling the trigger *giggle* on an aug. As for fashion-statement, which color is most based?
Fricking collective unconscious shit right here: I was just looking around to buy myself an AUG but the one that takes AR mags. Anyplace I should look?
Fricking collective unconscious shit right here: I was just looking around to buy myself an AUG but the one that takes AR mags. Anyplace I should look?
Because the NATO stock is bad and wrong. You're spending nearly two grand on a rifle with a completely different manual of arms from an AR; investing in new mags is not a totally unreasonable ask, especially when the NATO model costs as much as a full combat load's worth of AUG magazines anyway.
~~*them*~~
the X95 is significantly less accurate than the AUG and isn't as cool or aesthetic
the X95 has more and better-arranged rail estate for mounting accessories, although the AUG can accommodate anything you'd reasonably want with some creativity and flexibility
the X95 takes AR15 mags, the AUG doesn't*
the X95 is available as a 13" SBR if you want to do the cuckstamp thing but don't want the unrivaled smolness of a normal SBR with a folding stock
An unbullpupped FAMAS would still have interesting features like the lever-delayed blowback action and integral freefloated bipod that would make it more compelling than another AR.
You can get a left-handed bolt and swap the ejection port cover to the appropriate side, but the charging handle and bolt release will still be on the "wrong" side and the OEM safety isn't reversible
I'm a lefty and went AUG. I won't own an Israeli rifle and desert tech design isn't really proven, and certainly can't match 50 years of military use. I just work around the charging handle and bolt release.
I'm a lefty and went AUG. I won't own an Israeli rifle and desert tech design isn't really proven, and certainly can't match 50 years of military use. I just work around the charging handle and bolt release.
Should mention that the NATO version can't switch to right side ejection
The only good shitpup
It looks so much more kino with the donut of death sight.
agreed, too bad its actually bad. its the same situation as the P90 ring sight
I'll put up with bad for cool any day.
based
It's a combat sight, and made for human targets.
the instructions for it are really straightforward too
That's actually pretty cool. Never realised you could actually range targets with it
It's pretty smart for military issue.
You only need to worry about adjusting your aim if the target doesn't fill up the circle.
You can range targets of known size with any optic that has reticle features with known subtensions. You can range targets with an Aimpoint or EOTech if you really want to, but that doesn't make a 2 MOA dot or A65 circle dot ranging reticles in any meaningful sense.
An ACOG is also a combat sight made for shooting people, but even a 1.5x ACOG has way more going for it than the A1 carry handle optic, to say nothing of higher magnification ACOGs with actual ranging features and BDCs.
Actually pretty good, but it’s not modern equipment. Needs A lit reticle and to be replaceable if it gets damaged without scrapping the receiver
I keep an Aug in my master closet no with a shake awake red dot and light
the new ones are replaceable with 4 screws, it just replaces the pic rail.
based, it's a good reticle constrained by the outdated optic it's mounted in
i kinda wish somebody would rip it off and put it in a modern prism
Can't it fit other optics though?
It's not good, but not terrible.
Being bomb proof and working as a carry handle make up for shortcomings.
It just takes some getting used to.
>donut of death
>steering wheel of doom
what are some other funky sights?
>what are some other funky sights
Your mom.
YWNBAW, Michelle.
>justfrickmyshitup.jpg
good but a bit old
>GD shitpup
Come back to us once it has government contracts
would you rather have a Beretta M9 or a Sig P320?
The Sig, prior to them getting the US Gov't contract because you just KNOW that they're gonna pull a Colt and frick around on their QC with all those taxpayer dollars coming in
>5 inch barrel
>aluminum frame
yes
Berretta, but I have one, so Sig.
Is this going to be on the civilian market ever
yes also LMT and DD are making 6.8 tvc uppers
damn I was so close to building a 6.5 creed upper too. I'm glad I waited.
No.
True Velocity probably will never make the guns given that they were an ammo company, and Lone Star was just a small scale manufacturing firm.
If they do make any, expect nothing less than the $5k mark, and probably well over that.
Wasn't Beretta going to make them?
Beretta was contracted for the engineering work.
I don't believe they were ever meant to be involved on the manufacturing side.
> True Velocity and global weapon manufacturer Beretta USA announced on Wednesday a strategic partnership in support of potential weapon production stemming from the U.S. Army’s Next Generation Squad Weapon program.
>True Velocity subsidiary LoneStar Future Weapons is the prime contractor in the team’s bid for the NGSW program, which is designed to replace the U.S. Army’s currently fielded 5.56x45mm NATO cartridge and the M4 carbine and M249 Squad Automatic Weapon that fire it. Beretta USA will assist LSFW and True Velocity with the production, assembly and testing of key components of the RM277 rifle and automatic rifle submitted as part of the team’s bid for NGSW. Both weapons are configured to fire True Velocity’s proprietary 6.8TVCM composite-cased cartridge.
From Beretta's site. Engineering and advisory aspects.
>No.
Where does General Dynamics factor in to this? I swear I heard their name getting thrown around for this project
An ad is worth the pixels its displayed with.
There has been vaporware that got further along the production line than the 'Amicus' and those were made by actual firearms companies.
General Dynamics OTS patented the recoil mitigation mechanism used in the gun and started the trial bid for it. Apparently going through Lone Star Future Weapons as a subcontractor for the fabrication for the trials. LSFW sold itself as a 'rapid prototyping' company for small scale and often changing manufacture.
True Velocity was partnered with them as the ammo manufacturer and designer. It being a joint bid between TV and GD.
Beretta was brought on as expert advisors for the gun design. And later stepped into production advisory apparently.
Eventually GD sold/handed off the gun patents or at least the right to the gun design itself off to True Velocity, who then bought up Lone Star.
Checked and thanks for clearing that up
Yeah, it was funky stuff to follow.
That True Velocity seemed really certain they were going to win, put a lot up economically on this project to lose. Thats how trials go. Not everyone comes out the other side in one piece.
especially if the game is rigged from the start
>True Velocity seemed really certain they were going to win
I can't say I blame em
They should have won purely for the ammo. Not for the rifle. The morons didn't even make a lmg.
>the morons made a box-fed automatic rifle because Uncle Sam's Misbegotten Crayoneaters asked for one
>not that it matters since any .308 LMG can be converted to 6.8 TVC with a barrel swap
They didn't want a caliber conversion, they wanted a new LMG. The entire program was low key a trial for a LMG.
maybe if they wanted a new LMG they should have had a contest for a new LMG instead of a "Next Generation Squad Weapon"
Nah, the PON notice talks about how the rifle is weighted slightly more than the MG.
>4.2 Order of Importance
>Factor 1 – NGSW-R is slightly more important than Factor 2 – NGSW-AR which is more important than Factor 3 – Special License Agreements, which is more important than Factor 4 – Price. Factor 1 – NGSW-R Sub-Factors are of equal importance. Factor 2 – NGSW-AR 1 Sub-Factors are of equal importance
https://sam.gov/api/prod/opps/v3/opportunities/resources/files/61586b35d41e905fcfcc98449ca459c9/download?&token=
If the rifle is more important than the automatic rifle, and both are more important than price, then there's no way Sig won legitimately.
Yeah, right?
>best LMG
>laziest, most half baked rifle
>most moronic ammunition
Until we get testing reports we can't say.
Maybe the moving barrel on the bullpup made it inaccurate. Maybe the plastic ammo was sticky and had poor extraction in strenuous testing. Maybe the gun just wasn't all there in the end.
There can be a million small details that would turn a good gun concept into a mediocre gun design that you can't see from the outside.
SIG is so-so much of the time, but they generally put out competent designs, at least in the testing phases.
This is a reasonable opinion.
I swear, the most harm the M-14 did was giving the impression that every US procurement effort since has been rigged from jump.
They were all bad choices though, because they were all battle rifles. M14's problems weren't just in reliability, even if it was reliable and accurate it was still a shit choice for how modern wars are fought because it's too heavy and difficult to control. Even going back to WW2, yeah they had some great bolt action rifles and and garands were great, but so many of the battles throughout the war were fought and won using M1 carbines and MP40s and other small handy weapons. People hadn't quite figured out short barreled automatic rifles yet, but the submachineguns and carbines filled that niche until they did. Now submachineguns have almost completely disappeared because short barreled rifles can do almost everything they do better now.
The original adoption of the M14 wasn't that sketchy.
Under the testing done the guns were essentially comparable and the M14 being slightly lighter and more similar to the M1 Garand was good enough justification for adoption.
The problems all came later where the tooling had to be made from scratch because they'd changed too much from the Garand to keep using it. Despite half the reason for the M14's design being reusing most of that tooling.
Then the subcontractors all unanimously shit the bed in quality and production timelines.
Then Vietnam came and we learned all again how hard jungle fighting can be on a wood and iron rifle.
Then under McNamara every military agency that couldn't justify itself right then was being closed down or privatized, so the leaders of Springfield and the remains of the Ordnance Department worked together to keep each other in existence.
At the same time Colt was advertising their AR15s as not needing cleaning, and the Army itself was trying to cost cut and use dirty shitty powder. All together it was a mess from all angles.
It was a shitshow and many of those involved should have been tried for treason. But its a lot more complicated than people think.
It's certainly possible that the RM277 had some show-stopping bug that nobody outside the procurement process is aware of, but is that really more likely than Big Army putting a finger on the scales to give Sig yet another juicy-ass contract?
If it was just nepotism this contract would have been won by Textron, given that it was inspired by the LSAT development and the Fed has been paying for that for 15 years now.
I got the exact order of the last two bits off. Not that it matters and part of it is just corporate structure chicanery.
General Dynamics handed off the bid to Lone Star before True Velocity bought out the Lone Star company.
mogs your AUG
>>EF88
didnt those have problems exploding once in a while?
what is this and is it available for purchase in the usa?
Pretty sure lithgow refuses to sell them stateside, that or there was some import issue.
Lithgow was about to start selling them state side and then some high profile mass shooting took place and they claimed they didn't want to sell it.
Yes, this is true. Yes I'm fricking pissed because now I'm stuck with an Aug
Idk my AUG works just fine with NODS, only appreciable benefit I can see for the f90.
Shame MI doesn't make this stuff anymore.
thats a nice setup
Where'd you get the patch? etsy or custom?
is there any further defelopment anywhere on the "AUG platform" past the relatively new australian 'atrax' model their own army uses?
They tried making it in 6.5 a while ago but im not sure how that went. pic related is a mock up.
EF88, ADF model that had a very limited number of civil F90s that never went to market but they are basically the same. If you don't wanna work for the ADF I wish you luck trying to get your hands on one.
>6.8* my bad
it's pretty fleshed out.
However steyr could always choose to make a new bullpup in the future which would be cool.
aug in 7.62 nato
6.8 tvc you mean
.22TCM you mean.
>tfw they got rid of our Augs and Hipowers
Ireland?
Would you guys adopt a police trade-in AUG for $1800?
They might need a little tender love and care
i would immediately swap the barrel for a 20in and put in an aftermarket trigger box in so why not?
>aftermarket trigger box
What?
I seriously considered it, especially since all the aftermarket shit they come with (particularly the discontinued MI rail that they refuse to do another run of) makes them a great deal, but ultimately decided that I don't really need another AUG; as much as I love the platform, I just don't do that much carbine work so the money would be better spent elsewhere.
i could just buy a brand new AUG for $1700 though?
FRICK I MISSED THIS??!!
yeah
>nitride barrel on a $2k supposedly “gucci” rifle
Pathetic
pack*
frick off pedant
I still don’t know what you mean moron
What aftermarket trigger pack are you talking about?
Not him but there is the 20/20 sear. Plus Geissele is still working on their vaporware trigger pack.
The sear is not a “trigger pack”
As far as I know, any trigger packs are vaporware, or not sold in the US.
There are some Reddit gays making neat stuff for the AUG though. One autist supposedly made a drop in AR trigger for the AUG
"Drop in AR Trigger"
If youre talking about the ARID Defense one then youre bombastically moronic if you somehow garnered it was an AR trigger
He's talking about some 3D printer weirdo, also Geissele and Corvus are allegedly co-developing an improved AUG trigger pack, which (knowing Geissele) will probably consist of an SSA with some kind of shoe to make it fit in the box.
>Plus Geissele is still working on their vaporware trigger pack.
do you have a single fact to back that up?
I wish they still did CL here too for AUGs, but the nitride ones are fine.
Switzerland has been nitriding Sig 550s and 553s for decades with no problems in heavy use by moronic conscripts. Nitriding is fine if it's done right; a lot of places don't.
I own both nitride and chromed AUG barrels and have seen no difference between either with a post 86 pack. YMMV, my nitride barrel is older so idk if nuSteyr fricked them up over coof shit.
Pic related, top 20 inch has a CL barrel, shorter one is nitrided.
Whut? Mine is CL. When did they start doing that?
>just another poorgay/bullpup hate thread
Yawn.
Weird how the ausgays would rather use ARs and are replacing the Aug with one
are they though?
https://www.rheinmetall-defence.com/en/rheinmetall_defence/public_relations/news/archiv/2017/aktuellesdetailansicht_7_11968.php
that was 5 years ago and still not being used. hmmm
Yet those guys who did the warcrime used M4 style rifles, sneed
i see some aussie SF liking the AR more, but thats it.
>have to hit the deck
>entire frame cracks in half because its made of plastic
oops
id love to see you break the polymer frame
thats sexy
Yes
whats your choice of ammo?
AUG suppressed is favorite gun in VR, short barrel and but accurate as frick long range
just ordered one, with waffle mags
feels like shit to shoot
awkward terrible reloads
no thx
Never fired one, I've heard that the trigger is ass. Can any enlightened anon confirm if this is true?
6-pound trigger, fixable with a few different techniques. I have mine down to 4-pounds and clean break.
How are you smuggling Corvus Defensio into the US? (Assuming you're in the US)
He ordered it from their website
>t. someone who ordered Corvus parts to the US
Don't lie to me. I tried placing an order with them before, contacted customer service, and they said they don't ship to the US.
Weird; I almost placed an order with them, and ended up ordering from Steyr USA instead because Corvus wanted like $150 shipping for a fricking case deflector - which implies that they would have shipped it if I had been foolish enough to continue
Those posurp AUGs come with a CD case deflector and mag catch, MI extendo rail, GHW FLEx QD socket, maybe a suppressor gas plug, and the knowledge that they might have a body count (if you're into that)
so it's the same price as a new AUG for a used AUG with a bunch of aftermarket stuff you were probably going to install anyway (except for the MI rail, which is discontinued and which they refuse to do another run of)
It’s been awhile, but I got my Corvus case deflector from them
Cost an arm and a leg to ship it here though
>it can kill a baby raccoon
Wow, what a powerful, effective, manly gun.
it's ass.
It’s really not bad at all with the 20/20 sear
if you need aftermarket parts to make it decent that just means it's ass
>t. smooth brain take
stock AR triggers are nowhere near as bad as the AUG. The biggest downside of the AUG is it's completely shit trigger, only a moron would defend it.
By this logic, all AR15 triggers are garbage because the the shittiest stock trigger negates all the aftermarket
Pic related is you
Neat. Are you the Reddit anon making AR drop in trigger boxes? Any chance you’re selling those?
Even the cheapest shittest PSA parts kit in the cheapest, blem-est AR lower makes a better trigger than the aug.
I’m not defending the stock trigger morons, I’m saying that the trigger with the 20/20 sear isn’t bad at all. In fact it’s nice and crisp. There are multiple ways to improve the AUGs trigger nowadays
>Captcha: AT8KKK
Too bad they didn't just design it right in the first place.
>anon asks if the trigger is good
>the answer to his question is that the trigger is fricking terrible and needs to be upgraded
>...
>some borderline moronic anon starts foaming at the mouth and wailing about how aftermarket trigger components are the same thing as the stock trigger
>he will likely continue to do so
You can make the AUG trigger good. How is that so difficult for you to understand? You screech about it being so shitty, but it’s an easy fix
>You can make the AUG trigger good
no one has said anything to the contrary
When someone asks how the trigger on the AUG is and your first response is to say
>IT CAN BE FIXED, AFTERMARKET HAS GOOD OPTIONS
you're just admitting it's a bad trigger, how is that so difficult for you to understand?
No I don't go to reddit, I'm just in the beta chat room for the nylon AUG and saw it posted. AR trigger pack will be included in the beta release.
Oh ok nice.
Give me the rundown on the nylon AUG
$200 Malaysian AUG parts kits. AUG bolt has same lug pattern as AR-15 and a gas block journal that is thicker and with the port on the side. Headspace AR-15 barrel to AUG bolt by removing the extension and installing shims, sleeve up the gas block journal to fit AUG gas block (alternatively, there is a guy making custom barrels for this project from blanks that need no modification). This means you lose the fancy QD barrel mechanism but this also makes the receiver a lot simpler. Full auto denials are done by notching the FCG housing, epoxying and pinning metal bars in the stock where the FCG housing goes, making a cutout in the stock so the receiver will not fit an unmodified stock, and a couple other things. Print trunnion parts in carbon fiber or glass fiber filled nylon or some other filament that is equally strong, stiff, and heat resistant, you do need a hot end capable of 270C+ for this. Other non-critical parts are fine to print in PLA+ but personally I'm going all nylon all the way. There are also printable clones of some aftermarket parts like charging handles, brass deflectors, and mag releases in the works.
Ah ok so you’re not printing the stock, just the receiver?
That’s pretty cool either way
Yep exactly. Though I'm sure someone will come up with a printable stock eventually. Maybe even a heretical unbullpupped AUG. The possibilities are endless.
Just put an AR trigger in it
The trigger is way worse than you'd expect from a comparably-priced AR, but there's nothing wrong with it; it just isn't "nice". If you can shoot, it won't get in your way.
Steyr Army Universal Chads rise up.
Is there a bayonet that works with the 16"?
Nice.
Only thing it mogs is other bullpups. It is an incredibly well thought out rifle for the 70s but now it's nothing more than a mediocre competitor in a saturated market of equally reliable rifles with better ergos and modularity.
the safety is moronic Black person shit same as the trigger >lets give moron conscripts a gun they can accidentally full auto lol
Shitposters gon shit.
As much as I love the AUG the first guy has a legitimate point. The cross bar safety is a bit unergonomic while a progressive trigger is shitty for an experienced shooter and dangerous for an inexperienced one.
The crossbolt safety is less ergonomic than an AR safety, but it's not like an AK safety that forces you to completely break your shooting hand grip to operate it, and while the progressive trigger takes some getting used to, it helps the gun achieve one of its design goals -being fully usable with heavy winter mittens - without the need for separate safety and selector controls.
AUGtism is a disease.
why do AUG owners seem so hesitant to paint their gun?
is that... stain?
probably not
>retrieved long-lost memories of being in those tubes at the mcdonalds playground and some moronic kid shit himself and rubbed it on the walls
>the fakelite AUG isn't real
>the fakelite AUG can't hurt you
Lmao what would hard soup even be?
Another sad day in Russia.
>Lmao what would hard soup even be?
The alcohol keeps it from going bad a bit longer with no refrigeration after opening? Or keeps it from spoiling even if it's some shithole that doesn't actually understand proper sanitary hot sealing of cans? Like if your borscht is 40% vodka it could probably just be put into tupperware and still last a while I dunno.
Because the stock comprises 90% of the gun's surface area and comes in drab nature colors from the factory; it's not like an AR where the gun is Target Indicator Black by default and you have to go out of your way to paint it and/or kit it out with reasonably-colored furniture.
A ton of people who get the white color do so to paint it. OD green is perfect and glorious so I see no reason to.
Forgot this one
Nice W mag.
im glad i made AR gays mad, its been a good day
Herro Chang here me mog u gun
Burgers can't get QBZs, can they?
If you live close enough to the border and have a leaf friend willing to throw one over you can, but you can't buy them here, no.
By all accounts they're just as... rough around the edges as you'd expect a $600 Made In China rifle to be, but I'd still rather have a QBZ than an AR.
what optic should i get for my aug that isnt the donut of death? not that i dont like it i just want something more modern on it
Either an elcan or an aimpoint would be cool.
4x ACOG w/ stacked RMR
Seconded ACOG.
So nice. I am so close but keep buying other guns!
Why?
>Mogs your Mogs.
Ngl, that's pretty moggie.
the only good 5.56
How will ARtrannies ever recover?
How dare you insult the beautiful and mighty Kalash. If it came in a viable bullpup form it would be a top weapon of all time, that and the G3 would be the greatest bullpups ever made.
Everything about the AK sucks except the gas system and bolt+trunnion mechanism.
Kalashnikov was a genius when it came to mechanical design. Clean, simple, easy to maintain. I love my AK just for the internals.
Everything else about the AK is terrible though. It was outdated back when they developed the AK74.
I'm pretty sure both of those do exist in bullpup versions, and they're shit.
>G3 would be the greatest bullpups ever made
Except that's an abomination.
>Bullpup
>ARtroony
Do aull these AUG with the weird waffle looking mags take STANAGs too?
Only if you get the NATO stock and enjoy the taste of penis.
Wow, the odds of me getting an AUG were pretty slim but if I'd have to buy a bunch of special mags for it too that's going to push me pretty close to 0% odds.
Magpul AUG mags are $18, suck less
Magpul AR mags are $8 and I already have 100 of them.
You don't have to buy AUG mags. They make a special version of the rifle that comes with a stock that accepts AR mags, for special people like you who are unreasonably fixated on magazine commonality.
https://atlanticfirearms.com/steyr-aug-a3-m1-black-nato-extended-rail
It's objectively worse in basically every respect and costs as much as a normal AUG plus ten Magpul AUG mags, but it exists.
How the frick is it worse? Nothing is different about it other than using common mags.
no bolt release button; one of the trigger bars is removed to make room for the side mag catch, making the trigger worse; the feedramps on the receiver are at slightly too wide an angle for 100% reliable feeding from STANAGs since they were cut with AUG mags in mind; no option for left-handed ejection; it costs enough extra that you could have just bought a bunch of AUG mags instead; everyone on /k/ will laugh at you for being a NATO stock pleb
waffle mags > pmags
bolt release button is gone on NATO
safety dif
Hey, the aug mags on that site are $40. I was promised $18 mags.
Yes, Steyr AUG mags are $40-50. Magpul AUG mags are $18.
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1016447058
Your next line is "Hey, that's $18.95; I was promised $18 magazines"
The only mags I paid close $40 for were the 42 round waffles at $37 and a couple of ten rounders for when I want to be state legal. The regular 30s were like 28. Prices are probably up from panic buying.
Aug mags are frequently ~$25 for the 30s. I bought a stack of 10 when I picked up my Aug. Pic related was taken just before writing this reply.
>Steyr AUG mags are $40-50
>$27.50
https://v1tactical.com/product/aug-30-rd-green-magazine/
>God, why do people lie?
>say that waffle mags are $40-50
>everyone comes out of the woodwork with (still relatively expensive) $28 waffles
As bait to spoonfeed mag links, a win.
>$28
>Relatively expensive
So you don't own anything FN, huh?
Yes, obviously 28 USD dollars is cheap relative to, say, $56 for a FAL mag with a plastic bumper pad or $56 for a Hi-power mag that doesn't work in most Hi-powers, but it's almost unjustifiably expensive relative to $18.95, especially given that Magpul's AUG mags are lighter, have a more useful texture, retain the top rounds better when dropped or vigorously inserted on an open bolt, have thinner floorplates that stack better in double mag pouches, and have anti-tilt followers.
The only things Steyr mags have going for them is aesthetics and compatibility with Maglula's AUG magazine loading tool.
>almost unjustifiably expensive relative to $18.95
I will never agree with this. Maybe when gaypul comes out with P90 mags for $9.99 less I wil... nope.
I've never used the Magpul aug mags, but comparing Steyr to Magpul standard mags, the Steyr has much thicker walls, I'm assuming this means they'll last longer. Ultimately, I'm sure the Magpul are a better deal - nothing European is cost efficient except maybe Glock which I won't buy because I'm not black.
Steyr mags just look good - I'd only buy 3rd party if someone made an aluminum aug mag.
The Magpul AUG mags won't pop a round out if you seat them with moron strength on an open bolt. I too like the looks of the waffle mags better but have moved to the Magpul AUG mags for the most part due to this bc im a moron and slap things hard.
>the Steyr has much thicker walls, I'm assuming this means they'll last longer
I'm confident it just means that the Steyr mags were designed in the 70s and are accordingly 30-40 years behind the curve on polymer science compared to the Magpuls, necessitating the use of more material to achieve the same level of durability.
Could be. Also could mean the feed lips won't separate over time like the Magpul. I'm going to assume both are true.
I don't really care, both are reliable enough but I only buy Steyr mags because they look cooler.
understandable, have a great day
>Steyr mags have thicker walls
I can assure you after handling them both extensively the magpuls are more durable. I own mostly steyr mags for the look and feel, but have 5 magpuls for if shit actually happens/practice
No shit. Guess I'll pick up some magpuls.
I guess it makes sense that they'd have to be thicker or they probably wouldn't fit right.
I prefer the x95, I don’t like the AUG, think it looks ugly, don’t understand why everyone on k simps for it
Are there any handguards for the AUG that are similar to this? This is obviously an airshit and the mouth thing is gay but it looks max practical if there were something like it for the real one. I just don't like vertical grips bros.
Check corvus.
They're always out of everything.
Ratworks may have something too.
Arid Dev on Reddit makes a handguard like that (but it's only for the A3, not the A3M1)
Apparently it's modeled off this Javelin handguard but these idiots are charging $300 for a hunk of cheap metal.
Manticore does, beware that Sven at Manticore is a moronic boomer and he will never change the rear rail portion.
Replaces your AUG
just bought an AUG
good
>awaiting shipment
let's fricking go
HNNG
did you not use the coupon code? shaved $100 on my order
fug i didn't know about that, shit
sorry friend, that $1600 AUG feels good tho
concerning anon
how fricking new are you christ
im talking about the aug, not your cartoons relax
That makes even less sense; he didn't get a NATO stock or a black one, so what's to be concerned about?
oh ok so you're just a moronic redditor
updoots to the left please
literally pogging rn
PauseChamp
sheesh
penoy
you are gonna put coomer stickers on your AUG now, right?
I'm somewhat new to the AUG. Impression so far is that it's like having a SBR without the gimped velocity and with a somewhat shitty trigger (even with the 20/20 sear).
It feels much more solid than I was expecting for something that's 70% polymer.
If you want the suppressor gas selector, order it now. They were always out of stock over the past few years until recently. Same thing with a lefty bolt.
If you do QD slings, you'll want to get the rear attachment. Probably a brass deflector, too.
I did the aug cut talon grips - hybrid in the back and rubber in the front. They're pricey but worth it.
ty fren, taking notes
isn't the stock gas selector capable of supressed fire?
The stock gas settings are Normal (more gas than you probably require), Adverse (even more gas), and Grenade (no gas), so "sort of, but not really"
thanks, got it
First response is correct. One thing to consider is that you'll want to research what suppressor you put on it. It definitely plays better with some more than others, and gas is going to vent closer to your face.
You would think that, considering that people buying semi-auto AUGs are way more likely to own suppressors than they are to own rifle grenades, but no.
Not really. We're talking about the company that still hasn't figured out a decent charging handle in over 50 years.
the stock charging handle is perfect for anyone with XY chromosomes
I'm actually good with it, even as a lefty.
Was joking based on seeing other people b***h about it a lot. My only small complaint is that it's tough to get out of the locked back position from underneath.
The OEM charging handle is fine if you pull it with an underhand grip straight back toward the heel of the stock. If anything, they got it right the first time and fricked it up with the new floppy one.
I like to post pictures with my NATO stock with a CETME-L mag in it because it makes people physically uncomfortable.
Even more so with the 12rd mags.
I don't know how I managed to forget this one.
looks like a SCAR 16S mag you dragged down your 500 yd long driveway
the fact that you're using the front QD cup that puts the end of your sling right next to the charging handle is by far the worst thing about that image
Heh
OP status: chucked
cope and seethe ar trannies
Speaking of ACOGs, are there any dealers that have exceptionally good deals on them now that you can't just get them for free from Amazog?
EuroOptic
>miserable, garbage, indescribably bad trigger
>cross-bolt safety
>terrible mag release position
>forward accessory mounting severly limited without unobtainium A3 rail
The AUG mogs absolutely nothing. Yes it looks cool and I'm pretty sure that is the single reason so many people claim it's the second coming in bullpup form. The only practical feature it has is its quick change barrel, but despite that if you actually had to use the rifle an X95 is superior in every way.
>Trigger is as bad as your typical shitty combat trigger
>Who actually uses a safety?
>There are tons of ways to get around forward mounting - a simple Google image search will show this
>Mag release position is fine
>Quick change barrel is really not that impressive on a 16"
aug accuracy is still somehow better than the x95, how did they frick that up
Jews cheaping out because their consripts only need to shoot minute of Palestinian child vs Germanics being physically unable to compromise on engineering questions
>trigger feels like a really good Nerf gun trigger, and in any case is consistent enough that you can learn to work with it
>yes, and?
>mag release in the same position as a FAL or AK; not great, not terrible
>only major issues are certain lasers bulging out into the path of the charging handle and not having enough room on the top rail for a laser and an LPVO; if you just want a day optic and a white light you have plenty of rail estate
The best rifle is the one you actually like and are motivated to practice with consistently. It doesn't matter how good your AR15 or X95 is on paper if you feel like it was forced on you by external forces and shooting it feels like a second job that costs you money. There's nothing functionally wrong with the AUG, although it requiring special magazines and spare parts is something to factor in when you're daydreaming about "using the 2nd Amendment as intended"
>unobtainium A3 rail
please wear a helmet when you go outdoors
He's probably talking about the CQC rail, but that doesn't make him any less moronic.
>The AUG mogs absolutely nothing
This. We all saw John McClain take out the Nazis with AUGs in Die Hard.
So is being made fun of the only real downside to buying the nato-mag compatible aug?
Well other than being a generally inferior version, it also tells everyone that your breath smells like dick without us having to get close.
nb
no bolt-hold-open, no bold release, shittier trigger, steyr mags are better than STANAG mags
Should I sell my ar and mags and go full moron into the aug life, or keep them and begin to accumulate aug?
Keep and accumulate. You can just get Magpul AUG mags.
>sell my ar and mags and go full moron into the aug life
hell yeah brother
Why the frick is it missing these features?
To punish you for not choosing the superior version.
because NATOgays deserve none of the good fruit of this world
Aren't all of the countries that issue AUGs nato?
I think I heard the warrior poet Christian manlet guy complain about bullpups blasting gas in your face when you switch shoulders when clearing rooms, is this true?
you could have answered this with 5 seconds of searching how the AUG's gas system works
AUG blasts gas forward
It's probably not without merit, since the ejection port is right in front of your face and a certain amount of gas will vent there, but most of it is going to be vented from the gas block.
Even if it were just as bad as he makes it out to be, it's a momentary annoyance that only comes up if you have to grease somebody while going around a wrong-handed corner, compared to the constant gas in the face you get from a suppressed or sufficiently overgassed AR, or the constant barrel management you have to do with a non-bullpup non-SBR any time you move through a space that doesn't allow a full yard of clear space out in front of you.
A lot of the complaints people have about bullpups are them making much ado about nothing to justify their fetishization of the gun the Army uses.
Detailed and useful reply. Thank you. I'm getting closer to pulling the trigger *giggle* on an aug. As for fashion-statement, which color is most based?
green or mud
Fricking collective unconscious shit right here: I was just looking around to buy myself an AUG but the one that takes AR mags. Anyplace I should look?
I'm in the same boat but people in this thread seem to be making fun of people who buy the nato aug.
Because the NATO stock is bad and wrong. You're spending nearly two grand on a rifle with a completely different manual of arms from an AR; investing in new mags is not a totally unreasonable ask, especially when the NATO model costs as much as a full combat load's worth of AUG magazines anyway.
I have the Goypup 5000
AUG vs X95?
Pros/cons of the x95 by comparison (other than the "them" thing)?
Tavor has better ergos than Aug by a country mile but it is less accurate but still acceptable as a combat rifle to 500 yds
>Tavor has better ergos than Aug by a country mile
like shit it does, the AUG has better ergos hands down
>Tavor has better ergos than Aug by a country mile
maybe if your country is from The Hills Have Eyes
~~*them*~~
the X95 is significantly less accurate than the AUG and isn't as cool or aesthetic
the X95 has more and better-arranged rail estate for mounting accessories, although the AUG can accommodate anything you'd reasonably want with some creativity and flexibility
the X95 takes AR15 mags, the AUG doesn't*
the X95 is available as a 13" SBR if you want to do the cuckstamp thing but don't want the unrivaled smolness of a normal SBR with a folding stock
unbullpups your famas
>and now it's just another AR
An unbullpupped FAMAS would still have interesting features like the lever-delayed blowback action and integral freefloated bipod that would make it more compelling than another AR.
Is there anyway to convert an AUG to left hand fire, or should I just look to a different bullpup?
probably just look at a different one, lefties are devil worshipers tho so be wary
You can get a left-handed bolt and swap the ejection port cover to the appropriate side, but the charging handle and bolt release will still be on the "wrong" side and the OEM safety isn't reversible
I'm a lefty and went AUG. I won't own an Israeli rifle and desert tech design isn't really proven, and certainly can't match 50 years of military use. I just work around the charging handle and bolt release.
devilish
Should mention that the NATO version can't switch to right side ejection
NATO augers cucked again