Is this technology even present in the west?
https://defence-blog.com/ukrainian-separatists-unveiled-new-multiple-launch-rocket-systems/
MLRS
Is this technology even present in the west?
https://defence-blog.com/ukrainian-separatists-unveiled-new-multiple-launch-rocket-systems/
is this joke about how superior HIMARS is compare to anything Russia has?
frick you moron
U M A D
M
A
D
if it's so superior then why is it losing to old smokey?
Proof?
uhm, town after town liberated with grad fire in Ukraine.
Proof?
a quarter of Ukraine under Russian control.
how's that for proof?
A third was liberated by simply driving in. Grad has negative effectiveness??
grad is winning the war, sweetie.
for ukraine??!
Ukraine only has Yankee overpriced junk now.
about 4 himars.
sad
Ammo depot go boom.
I mean, sure, if you use your imagination.
what else could you do when looking at that clip?
expect to actually see an ammo dump being destroyed?
https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-exploding-munitions-security-concerns-russia/28777991.html
https://t.me/strelkovii/2865
Just a 4th of July celebration by our Russian brothers, yes?
why not ukrainian?
Because it's Russian "controlled" right now.
how could you tell by looking at that clip? if I write amsterdam on it does that mean it's true?
Sure.
https://nitter.net/IntelCrab/status/1543732002578382848
it's just another useless night clip with no landmarks
Yes, yes. The cope continues.
See:
Just needs the Benny Hill music.
are we at the cope stage when video evidence of 8th ammo depo in a row getting blown up is "h-how do we know it's Russian"?
you're the one being delusional, though.
so as long as you pretend video evidence don't exist it's fine?
damn, improvised aerial bombing.
where have I seen that before?
Strelkov confirms it
>some dude said something
yeah ok
now you're posting gifs?
lol
For fricks sake kys
You are trolling or in denial
>For fricks sake kys
>You are trolling or in denial
why won't anyone believe your baseless ramblings??
>beyond_delusional.gif
>A fricking gypo
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/filename/beyond_delusional.gif/
>has to dig in the archive for flags because he lost the argument
sad
What argument, gypo?
Lmao a fricking gypsy
Cope
That's all you deserve.
yeah, whatever, little man.
Sure, gypo shitskin. Now, back to India with your people.
the one in the picture looks like a tanned german, am I right?
you're not making much sense but carry on
more sad posting.
sad
I'd be sad if I were a gypo, too. Must suck. Does your shack have a roof?
you clowns prove how desperate you are.
the origin of the gif is austrian.
you btfo yourselves.
Post on /misc/ and link me your Austrian flag, then.
I'm not him.
Are you his boyfriend, here to defend his honor?
are you?
No. Now, are you?
you didn't answer my question
>you didn't answer my question
>No.
I did. Now, are you?
why are you talking about boyfriends?
Because I made you mad talking to yours, so, you felt the need to reply to me and defend his honor.
don't be mad
in bucha?
Also, it better have your trip.
>whatever little m-
>AAAAAAAH! AAAAAAAAAAAAH! HELP ME MAMA!
>Strelkov
>some dude
>literally who on twatter
You guys are embarrassing yourselves now, holy shit.
>literally who on twatter said something i like
so this is the new cope. interdasting.
This is in Russian controlled Snizhne.
according to russian sources, 4 himars is roughly equivalent to 220 grads
>4 himars is roughly equivalent to 220 grads
still not enough
Actually more than enough, but we'll not be stingy and give them a couple dozen more on top of hudnreds of other systems just to kill more vatniks. It might be loss financially, as vatnik lives are essentially worthless, but it'll make a better world.
besides those useless javelins what have you actually sent that is made past the year 2000?
>useless javelins
Seems that they are quite effective at enabling the Russian tank space program.
rekt
>sweetie
Spotted the russian rape-toy
I'm not from bucha.
so something DID happen in bucha?
Subtract Crimea, and Donbass from that and what do you get?
>Subtract Crimea, and Donbass from that
no
But Groids had nothing to do with them.
lol so you're still fighting over turf controlled by Russia since 2014. Town after town, he says.
cope
You are the one coping, you dumb fricks.
don't be mad. it's bad for your health.
Russian ammo dumps, airports and military bases are very good at intercepting HIMARS missiles. Grad is very good at intercepting M777 shells and then cooking off at five other grads around it
>Russian ammo dumps, airports and military bases are very good at intercepting HIMARS missiles.
Oh? They are? Do sauce us up on that. Should be interesting reading. Don't hold back on citations and details.
everything less than week ago
https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1543403110730809344
https://t.me/Novoeizdanie/17088
https://twitter.com/2uwmp/status/1541863070208761856
https://twitter.com/JimmySecUK/status/1541683444824023041
https://twitter.com/COUPSURE/status/1541471505053351936
https://t.me/censor_net/13792
https://twitter.com/fantomasvvs1/status/1543925596413202432?cxt=HHwWgMC83cuJkO0qAAAA
https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/status/1543769707689525249
Ah. Twitter "experts," the go-to be-all and end-all for everything definitive about facts & reality. At least you didn't disappoint; pretty much exactly as expected.
all those explosions happening is CGI btw
>ONLY RUSSHIT MoD IS OF RIGHT!
I don't know why but that makes me laugh so hard
Gypsies
It's almost like a scene right out of Red Dawn.
Russians are trash but this is almost endearing, if I was invading a country and rolled up on an abandoned gas station with my bros I'd do the same thing. Childhood fantasy realized.
>"A Quiet Place III: Vatniks Make Frickton Of Noise."
They just got out of the tank and started looting stuff up?
So what do you think is cookin g off all these russian ammo dumps, airports and comamnd psots then, little vatBlack person? I thought the Ukies were all out of Smerches and Tokchas?
homie is there any ACTUAL evidence that gmlrs was used at all?
not rumors not random videos but actual factual evidence
so far nobody has confirmed jack shit so have the vehicle with good old bullshit rockets means NOTHING
https://mobile.twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1541767272825487361
https://nitter.net/noclador/status/1541777078164545536
not him but
>fragments of M31A1 GMLRS unitary rocket were found after a target was hit in Perevalsk, #Luhansk Oblast, 45 km from the front line.
unless they sent the ghost recon inside of the russian lines to retrieve parts of said missiles this is totally bullshit
Pretty sure it was Russians who retrieved the fragments. Why the frick would Ukraine do it, when they know what they fired at it? Are you moronic?
Oh, you're a vatnig knob gobbler.
https://desuarchive.org/k/search/tripcode/%21bERRuPurVE/
https://streamable.com/kppqja
https://twitter.com/na_intel/status/1543670745859067911
How would you wish to respond now that proof has been provided
They don’t respond because they are just homosexual pidors.
Calliope-chan is cute, CUTE!
im still mad since i found out calliopes main gun is non functional
It is in War Thunder... or was. Used to rape in that thing.
>War Thunder
At this point I'm pretty sure Russia has gotten more classified military data from arguments on the War Thunder forums than it has from actual espionage.
>im still mad since i found out calliopes main gun is non functional
The early models stupidly attached the elevation bracket to the gun barrel, requiring detachment to use the main gun but in later models (as in that pic
) it was welded to the mantlet, allowing the main gun to be used at any time.
unironically a better idea than the cope cages. Sure dismounting still sucks if it gets hit, but hey you get a free MLRS instead of steel beams.
If you want a serious answer, this shitter fits perfectly into Russian/Soviet doctrine of using MLRS as large area suppression devices with a large amount of unguided rockets.
The western doctrine focuses on guided, precise strikes, hence why it's rocket launchers are the way they are.
US uses larger and longer range rocket systems to do what artillery can't.
Tiny MLRS is goofy area saturation and bigger tube = more HE
If we are having a serious discussion, traditional MLRS provides massive instantaneous firepower for breakthrough or defence, good against poorly defined, large area targets where you simply want to kill or disable as much as you can in a certain area. Downsides are poor accuracy, no adjustment of fire from FOs, and poor suitability for fire support due to large danger close range (2km in NATO). Rocket artillery also has a quirk where it gets increasingly inaccurate with range due to wind and so forth.
Guided rocket artillery is a whole different ballgame, you can do regular area attacks except with a tightly defined impact pattern, and you can also do shit like fire single rockets at single targets.
And, in most cases, a very long reload time.
>most cases
sure, as long as you're only looking at russian cases. HIMARS has an integrated crane and is reloaded by swapping out the entire pod, it can be reloaded in 5 minutes flat.
Russians have HIMARS? Please post links. I'd like to see them & read up on their specs.
>reading comprehension
>Is this technology even present in the west?
You mean dumb rockets?
What is that actual point of rocket artillery?
It's a system which everyone pretends is great, but I just don't see the advantage compared to conventional artillery.
It's only use would be in preparation for a ww1 style human wave assault, but even than it doesn't strike me as useful enough to divert production from more versatile regular artillery.
>What is that actual point of rocket artillery?
it looks very cool
looks cool. Its like the 21st century version of satuartion bombing. Fricking stupid in practice thouse. Theres a reason guided munitions except.
You can fire off a vastly greater weight of warheads in a very short time and catch everyone in the target area out in the open before they can take cover, that doesnt work nearly so well with tube artillery.
Makes a lot pow pow fast, if you are close to enemy base it can be useful. But yeah in modern combat it doesn't make much sense
Almost all of the casualties happen in the first few seconds of artillery bombardment. Then everyone will duck into cover.
Mrls is there for exactly that. To land as many ordnance as possibly in the short time frame when it's actually effective. It's the same reason some western artillery systems have MRSI.
The rate of fire is also important, and accuracy alone can't make up for it. You can look at the Ukrainian review of the M777 for example (if you understand Ukrainian). They liked the accuracy, but didn't like the relatively low rate of fire. The situations they're facing are like
>The Russians are somewhere in that forest. That forest needs to be saturated with fire.
The 777 is a gun which, like all artillery, is supposed to be used in battery. Ukrainians apparently are incapable of this, at least as a normal operation. It’s always a solo gun. They likely don’t have the training nor the organization to operate artillery in battery organically supporting the front line.
What a brainlet take.
The solo operation is more about avoiding losing a whole battery to counterbattery or drone spotting. That's what the fancy fire mission control software that Ukraine developed was for; they lost a lot of tubes to that sort of thing back in 2014.
Why form batteries that do nothing but get destroyed by counter batteries?
This is the exact issue that Russia keeps facing when they lose their pieces in one barrage.
Before networked computers and guided shells it was the only way to reliably mass artillery fire to get concentrated effects, so the tradition lingered on.
The Brown Bess, like all muskets, is supposed to be used in formation. Colonials apparently are incapable of this, at least as a normal operation. It’s always a solo gun. They likely don’t have the training nor the organization to operate infantry in formation organically protecting the cannons.
they have this fancy software that enables them to use multiple solo positioned guns as a battery - this makes counterbatery fire inefficient
But they’re objectively not operating in this manner. None of the artillery videos from drone pov show massed fires, just one gun sniping. Artillery is supposed to be attached to troops as fire support. Every BTG has (on paper) 2-3 batteries and fire control element. That’s a normal military grouping, artillery is attached to troops to provide organic fire support. Ukraine doesn’t do this, troops don’t have organic fire support meaning the guns and missiles are only used to snipe at targets that pop up on drone and NATO feeds. They are also way behind Russia in counter-battery. Russian accuracy is awful but massed fire makes up for it somewhat.
>Artillery is supposed to be attached to troops as fire support.
Yes in WW2...modern artillery can be used as a precision weapon.
They objectively are. When it makes sense to do so. When one gun can do the job, you gain nothing by involving the rest of the battery.
>Artillery is supposed to be attached to troops as fire support.
If your C4ISR is still working at essentially WWII levels, like with the Russians, sure. But even back then independent artillery units were a thing.
>Ukraine doesn’t do this, troops don’t have organic fire support meaning the guns and missiles are only used to snipe at targets that pop up on drone and NATO feeds.
They are doing it, when it's needed. The wonders of modern C4ISR mean that ANY artilelry unit in range can quickly and accurately respond to any call for fire by any asset, be it drones, intel feeds or ground troops radioing for support.
>They are also way behind Russia in counter-battery.
Which is of course why they are continously and consistently destroying russian artillery assets in lopsided ratios. Oh wait, actually they're way AHEAD of the Russians in counter-battery and you're just a clueless vatBlack person doing a shit job at trying to shill.
Nailed his ass to the wall.
>STOP USING YOUR ARTILLERY TO KILL THE ENEMY DON'T YOU KNOW YOU'RE JUST SUPPORTED TO SUPPORT THE INFANTRY OR SOMETHING???
lmfao lol haha
>he thinks artillery guns need to be lined up next to each other like in WWII to be able to operate as a battery
>What is that actual point of rocket artillery?
To terrorize civilians in cities and turn cities into rubble. Vatniks prefer whatever produces scorched Earth and slaughters whoever can't fight back.
it is extremely cheap since its just a toob inside a toob
that's why Hezbollah and the like can produce rockets on a mass scale
Compared to shells, Rockets make more efficient use of their fuel, can achieve greater accuracy, scale better to higher caliberd, and put far less strain both on the launch platform and on the munition itself.
Tube arty wins on cost and sustained rate of fire, both of which are of secondary importance in modern peer/near-peer conflicts.
>the advantage compared to conventional artillery
artillery really only kills people in the first few seconds, once everybody's jumped in their bunkers they're much harder targets. rocket artillery lets you land many more rounds in those first 30 seconds. so they're much more expensive, but also much more effective at killing people.
>Is this technology even present in the west?
You mean cheap inaccurate rocket artillery? Yes it exist, but it mostly died after ww2. It's useful to level a city, or attack army group but is not very effective for anything else.
>It's useful to level a city, or attack army group but is not very effective for anything else.
what else do you need?
>what else do you need?
need to destroy enemy army not a city, it's not WW2
all Ukrainians do is camp in the cities.
no cities, no more camping.
they run and get rekt.
Yeah, "cities" like the open area southeast of Sumy, where the Ukies shattered 4th Guards Tnak Division, right? LMAO, you vatBlack folk are getting more pathetic by the day.
ukrainians camp in the corner and run when there is no more corner.
get destroyed in open field.
it happens in every urban area.
the ukrainian has adopted the wienerroach defense.
Two more weeks, vatsister
it's ok
And yet they somehow smashed Russias best unhits to piece sin open field battles, and keep killing an average 5+ vatniks for every casualty they take. Sure makes you think.
Also, whine harder about getting BTFO and watching your army bleeding to death, vatBlack person.
LMAO, go google the list, vatBlack person. Also, even old 80's NATO junk is still better than anything you garbage primitives are able to produce even today.
PS: Javelin is a late 80's weapon that went into production in the 90's. And it's still turbo-wrecking your newest tanks LMAO.
ukrainians keep winning in reverse. is it a tactical counter attack in the making?
>javelin
?t=133
>taking 500 meters of strategically irrelevant ground a day for heavy losses is winning
LMAO. Wake me up when the Russians have taken everything along the Zhaporozhia-Dnipro-Kharkiv line, then you can claim they're winning anything other than more dead vatniks.
Nice bullshit russian propagnada video you got ther,e vatBlack person. Too bad it won't magically bring back to function the hundreds of vantik tanks and APCs destroyed by Javelins, nor bring back to life the hundreds of your fellow vatBlack folk that got cooked to death in them.
>cbs sunday morning
>russian propaganda
Yes, bullshit vatnik propaganda stories do make it into the mainstream media every once in a while. Not a surprise, given the unending torrent of lies your ilk spew out 24/7.
you're saying they're actors?
>camp in cites
you mean defending cites?
>no cities, no more camping.
you mean like war crime?
>they run and get rekt.
well judging by Mariupol they did not run
at least rocket artillery is better suited to guidance upgrades over tube artillery, though making it exclusively road maybe rail mobile just to reduce manpower is questionable
God that thing makes me so hard. I know four GRAD's are infinately more useful, but still.
I really like it.
What’s that big generator for?
russian PGM - it lands in the same timezone as the target
Yes it is, but western armies mostly ditched the lighter variants after the cold war ended (e.g. LARS). Because they figured that high precision fires are more efficient overall.
What is the base system of this POS? The rockets are very short but they claim to be 217mm caliber. Maximum range of 10km is a bit of a joke.
it's a state secret
Russian new cope is to pretend all those explosions don't exist and their ammo is perfectly safe
lmao
They are careful demoliation of hohol left over ammuntion from our 1000km a day advance *~~*~~)
Technology of fiberglass models on a truck bed? Maybe we don’t have that…
>33 posters
>106 replies
This is a massive improvement on grad. Twin launchers will produce double the amount of awesome cookoff footage when they inevitably get counterfired lying in the open surrounded by crates of reloads as they seem to enjoy doing.
>they inevitably get counterfired
has that ever happened to a mlrs in this special military operation?
Yes, the Ukrainians have posted quite a few videos recently of several different types of Russian MLRS and their support vehicles getting blown to shit by counterbattery. Very recently they seem to have had some good success killing uragans.
show me a video where a russian mlrs fires a salvo and in a few minutes it gets attacked by counterfire.
Counter offer; I give you six videos of russian MLRS out in the open getting shit on by arty and you tell me which one you like the most.
none of those videos show russian mlrs firing and a counter attack from the ukrainian side.
it's just truck sitting there or random things on fire.
you failed.
try again.
if it's irrelevant then why don't ukrainians retreat from the whole of donbas?
>if it's irrelevant then why don't ukrainians retreat from the whole of donbas?
Because why do that when it's perfectly good grounbd for killing more subhuman vatBlack folk on in a defense in depth? The ground is meaningless, except to serve the cause of exterminating the mongoloid rapeBlack person horde one vatnik at a time.
>The ground is meaningless
>keeps sending ukrainians by the thousands to die there for no reason
makes sense
>things that aren't happening
can you rusBlack folk at least try
I could ask you the same thing.
not him but this is childish. This argument serves no purpouse because you are fundamentally unable to believe what the other side is stating. Even if the first put the face of the second into hard evidence, they would just excuse it to fit their narrative in their head.
There is no discussion without trust and there never again will be.
trust the plan
Killing 5+ vatBlack person invaders for every ukrainian casualty and essentially annihilating the Russian Army's ability to attack on a relevant scale for the foreseeable future is a very good reason outside of your vatBlack person delusions.
You're saying the story isn't vatBlack person propaganda BS? You're saying you're not a vatBlack person shill? LMAO. Meanwhile, those hundreds of vatBlack person tanks and AFVs are still wrecked, and those hudnreds to thousands of vatBlack person crewmen are still crispy. Deal with it.
>Killing 5+ vatBlack person invaders for every ukrainian casualty
source: your anus
there have been 6 trillion tanks and apcs destroyed by the magical ukrainian army.
I ain't bullshitting you.
don't lie. I'm losing confidence in you.
You can literally see them reloading. If your FAS brain can remember 3 posts back you will recall my point was snowgerians just leave their MLRS lying about to get killed, as those six videos show. Counterfire is still counterfire even if the shaved chimps russian calls its artillery forces are squatting in a ditch a click down the road drinking brake fluid rather rather manning their vehicles. Jesus fricking christ you spastics are on another level of cope today.
didn't some russian TV channel post a video a few weeks ago where they were with a TOS launcher that got counterbatteried halfway through firing?
Yeah but nobody really used it until some were shipped to ukraine.
pictured: ukrainians preparing a devastating attack on the unsuspecting russians.
oops, no, lol. it's irakis.
Short ranged dumb rockets? Yeah we used to have those back in WW2. Mounted them on ships and everything. Mounted them on Submarines too.
Cute Vatnik toy. The Ukrainians will be parading captured examples in their post-war victory celebration.
once the ukrainians reach warsaw it will be over for russia
Its very basic but effective.
Only useful in a conventional conflict like in Ukraine.
10 of those trucks firing a barrage onto a target is going to frick something up.
God you people are willfully ignorant. There isn’t a single example of Ukrainian counter-battery. There is evidence of sniping individual units caught out in the open. Russia’s artillery forces are very large and given their poor discipline there’s bound to be lazy or dumb crews who don’t bother scooting to secure positions before reloading. There’s also the possibility of being spotted by drones even if they do move to secure positions. What there ISN’T is Ukrainian counter-battery. The fact that Russia CONTINUES to plaster defensive positions until there’s nothing but rubble left makes that obvious. It also means that blowing up "ammo dumps" hasn’t yet had the desired effect.
Just admit it already. Ukrainians said themselves they need HUNDREDS more of these systems plus ammo to match. That’s because the way they use artillery as a separate force and not as a part of combined arms is ineffective. They may be able to inflict costs on Russia strategically but that by itself won’t give the ability to troops to break through Russian lines, penetrate to the rear and force Russia to retreat. Russia is too weak to do that themselves but they can do is blast Ukrainian lines until the fall back.
Ukrainians think if they just had more artillery snipers to hit all the targets that pop up that they’d reach some critical mass and cause Russian forces to collapse. This is incorrect thinking and I believe NATO military leaders / analysts understand that which is why heavy weapons aid has slowed down. That’s why further HIMARS is contingent on Ukrainians proving themselves with it first — that means there’s disagreement within the Pentagon on Ukrainians ability to win. Recall that that there’s frustration that Ukrainians can’t give them more data on what’s going on in the front.
>that means there’s disagreement within the Pentagon on Ukrainians ability to win. Recall that that there’s frustration that Ukrainians can’t give them more data on what’s going on in the front.
Where did you get that from? I recall some US politicians (not Pentagon) being frustrated that Ukrainians kept losing the equipment the US had sent during the early parts of the war, but that's not them criticizing their strategy.
Except Ukrainians don't need to take on the Russian artillery. What they need to do is wipe out the artillery's AMMO.
HIMARS is the last hope the /k/opers have, let's not take it away folks. Surely these 4 systems will turn the tide of the war
Kek a propaganda messge from a pro russian outlet.I'm sure the west will surrender any day now.
/k/ope
And that's only fault of German government, no sympathy for krauts
>it's russian news outlet
>forbes
>it's germand fault!
Holy shit the /k/ope
Germany was systematicly closing gas and coal industries for years, turning of nuclear reactors so they could buy more cheap Russian gas so much they became dependend on Russiasn gas it's their fault they are moronic
well they worked hard for decades to cuck themselves this bad
coal BAD
nuclear BAD
fracking BAD
only good (cheapest) fuel was Russian Gas...
it fuelled their rise as industrial powerhouse - and will be the cause of their fall..
>They actually purchased the Turk Grad 2.0
My understanding is that these systems are often deployed as counter-artilery in large scale armored warfare.
Western armies really rely on air superiority to deal with enemy tank columns, and this strategy has been proven.
The Apache helicopter, the a-10 warthog, there are a lot of western air assets designed for destroying Russian tanks.
If you're too poor to get aircraft, you get MLRS and shoot and scoot against enemy artillery.
This isn't a great option- but you work with what you can afford.