He's not wrong, Ukraine today can't manufacture (on any meaningful scale):
- heavy equipment - tanks, APCs, armored vehicles etc
- small arms - not even pistols
- artillery - not even light mortars
- planes, cruise missiles, drones
- spare parts for anything listed above
- ammunition - can't make shells, can't make rifle rounds
Previously, they at least had ammo factories, could manufacture tanks for export, were developing complex anti-ship missiles etc. No, buying parts from China and assembling them into 20 remote controlled boats doesn't count.
Also, LMAO, western arms firms are practically waiting in line to go into co-ops with ukrainian ones. Ukraines arms industry isn't jsut alive, it's gonna be bigger and better than ever.
>buy 50,000 rounds of ammo, two dozen rifles and a suite of pistols from your LGS >have legal right and cash to buy lots more >but you can’t manufacture guns and bullets entirely within your garage so technically you’ve been disarmed
The absolute, unbelievable, uncountenanceable, unthinkable, unenviable STATE of pozziyans and their shills at this point
I mean ... they already signed contracts with Western MIC corporations to build shit like tank factories (e.g. Rheinmetall) in Ukraine. And you can bet your ass these efforts will only intensify should R*ssoids actually leave/get forced out. The defense industry tends to be quite the focus for nations with belligerent neighbors.
>Ukrine will have less of its (our slavshit) own weapons >it will be fully NATO weaponry making them basically NATO alligned which we said they can't be but now seem to be >VICTORY
>We did find chemical weapons in Iraq actually. > "we"
No. "We" did not find anything, you lying shit. To this day "we" still have found nothing of the sort, not even any records or evidence of any having been there When Uncle Tom Powell lied to the world at the UN.
(You) lying shitstain.
lmao this combined with recent putin press and priggy shenanigans... is russia trying to gear for pulling out of ukraine and calling it a victory?
They see the western MIC only contines to accelerate and has worked through most of its stumbling blocks.
It while still may still not be enough for now the same can be said about 6 months or a year from now.
>they're using less slavshit and more NATO equipment therefore we've won
Is it being Russian that causes this degree of stupidity or is it simply living in Russia that degrades the mind?
I wonder if they'll drag him to prison a few months or a few days before the election. Imagine the scenes.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Some libtard commentators are fuming that since none of the charges have a mandatory minimum and the judge is biased in favor of Trump, she'll just give him no prison time even if he's found guilty of everything, and supposedly there's no appealing such a decision.
Take notes anons, this is a divide and conquer shill. Notice that nobody was talking about Trump until this guy makes an intentionally inflammatory post dripping with petty sarcasm for no reason.
I don't care what anyone says, American politics being used in this way only serves to divide the nation and this board further and serve the interests of foreign tyrants, regardless of which party you throw your lot behind. In fact, there's been a lot of this political shitflinging lately that has zero relation to weapons or to the ongoing war, just people spouting off conspiracy nonsense about Russia and Trump or Biden and whoever else to derail the discussion and sow discord.
Set it aside, call out or ignore the homosexuals stirring the shit like this poster is, domestic partisan pettiness can be put on hold until after every anti-American who hates us all is a charred skeleton in the burnt-out ruins of their inferior barbarian "nation", simple as.
Rome fell because of political divides, and if we're going to fall I want the world to burn before we do. America needs to be the last one standing, and it will be.
Rome didn't fall because of political divide, or at least not completely. It was the crumbling of a difficult to manage territorial empire. If they had jets they would still be standing today. Everything was just too slow to have a large empire back then, which is all the more impressive that it lasted that long.
A decent amount of it was the great divisions amongst them. For starters, politicians were about as unbudging partisans as they are now, often outright encouraging their supporters to beat up the supporters of their rivals. Of course, none of them would agree on anything or compromise.
There was a religious rift, but as of the late empire it wasn't what you might think. Rather than a Christian and pagan thing, it was actually more Nicene and Arian Christians getting into massive brawls after each and every mass because of that whole Trinity debate. It was said you couldn't even buy bread without the baker asking you which side you were on before he'd sell to you.
There was a long-standing "racial" rift too. Or rather, division between the Romans and the myriad of conquered provincial peoples also calling themselves Roman. The only solution the government tried was telling them "well, we're all Romans now" which just made people lose faith in the system.
There was a gender rift too. Women were tired of their husbands killing their babies for being the wrong gender or something, so many flocked to Christianity because it taught that infanticide was abhorrent. This played into previous rifts, but you saw the old Roman ways of life changing rapidly.
There was other stuff like the economy (they managed to cause fricking inflation somehow) and enlisting foreigners who didn't care about Rome into the legion, as well as Rome having a gender ratio that was 60% male to 40% female due to the aforementioned infanticides (so a lot of disenfranchised men unable to get a wife), but these social divides played their part too. Some people blame Christianity, but it was just icing on the shit cake that was the late Empire. It was going to fall regardless of Jesus's input. Provinces were rebelling and breaking away over time until they lost it all due to these other divides. The last "emperor" was deposed and replaced by a king when their dominion was over Italy alone.
11 months ago
Anonymous
One of the biggest for the WRE was that the tax base was reduced as massive farm pay little to no tax.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>they managed to cause fricking inflation somehow
In a currency using precious metals you get inflation by debasing the currency, i.e. minting coins with less valuable metals mixed in in greater proportion.
Lets you pay for more stuff by basically just printing extra money, but puts more of it in circulation and acts as an extra hidden tax on everyone who's not a land owner.
I hate American urbanites more then I could ever hate rural Russians, Russia nuking our population centers would be the greatest gift they ever gave us.
>The proliferation of weapons of mass destruction (WMD) and their delivery systems could have incalculable consequences for national, regional and global security. >The potential effects of these types of weapons – which include nuclear devices, radiological material, biological pathogens and chemical substances – are some of the greatest threats that NATO faces.
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_50325.htm
My town's police has tear gas. Are they a threat to NATO?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>The New York Times found 17 American service members and seven Iraqi police officers who were exposed to nerve or mustard agents after 2003.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/14/world/middleeast/us-casualties-of-iraq-chemical-weapons.html
11 months ago
Anonymous
Literally anyone can go to Walmart and get the ingredients to make mustard gas
11 months ago
Anonymous
There were caches of nerve and mustard agent warheads, weapons of mass destruction, found in Iraq after the 2003 invasion. This is well documented. Give up.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Liar.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>MY TOWN'S POLICE HASA DE TEAR GAS WAHWAHWEEWA!
11 months ago
Anonymous
does your police department use sarin, vx, or mustard gas to break up protests or purge neighborhoods? because if so yeah maybe they are a notable threat.
>We did find chemical weapons in Iraq actually. > "we"
No. "We" did not find anything, you lying shit. To this day "we" still have found nothing of the sort, not even any records or evidence of any having been there When Uncle Tom Powell lied to the world at the UN.
Anon, while there was no evidence of yellowcake or nuclear weapons, either in progress or finished, it was common knowledge the Iraqis posessed chemical weapons, and the US destroyed several dumps between Desert Storm and the second invasion. That was the cause of Gulf War syndrome, lingering sarin in the air from a destroyed depot.
What about the new "supposedly" russian territories that had the referendum last year? Are they just going to let Ukraine conquer Russian territory? And what about Crimea? If Ukraine returns to Mariupol you can bet your ass that bridge is going down, is Russia just going to abandon it as well? How could they spin such a turn of events into a victory?
They had a chance early in the war to keep Crimea, and potentially parts of Donbass too. Ukraine is no longer prepared to concede those territories, so Russia is totally fricked.
>we might have to invest in manufacturing and bring our output back up OH NOOOOOOOOOOO.
By the time that will achieve any results the war will be long over, do you have any idea of how much time and money it takes to build a new factory and train a new workforce for it?
The west is perfectly capable of supplying Ukraine what it need right now. This war is serving as the alarm bell that the west needs to reopen their factories. Already you have MICs lining up to refurb and refresh Ukrainian factories, and they've made noises about reopening shipyards. This war is the best thing for NATO and western military production in years.
>less than 2 years ago, Euros genuinely believed militaries were a thing of the past >whats worse, is they call YOU the idiot for thinking it was a bad idea to completely abandon arms procurement >fast forward 1 year later >"ah man, if only somebody told us expedited procurements were exponentially more painful and expensive than planned out ones".
>build a new factory
Why? The US is running a large number of existing factories below capacityi n peacetime exactly so they can quickly and cheaply ramp up production as needed.
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>Why does Ukraine say it does not have enough weapons then?
Because that's literally their job. I know braindead thirdies from authoritarian third world shitholes like you don't really get how politics work, but come on!
>There isnt a single location in all of Ukraine where factories cannot be blown up by Russian missiles
There isn't a single location in Ukraine that cannot be defended from russian missile chimpouts.
>With what energy supplies?
The ones that have already fully replaced those from Russia outside delusional zigger cope.
>muh recession
LMAO. Menawhile Russia ha salready entered total economic collapse. Forex reserves ar erunning out, and after that all that's left is the printing press and going full Zimbabwe.
the biggest hindrance would probably be getting and training the workforce, given the current labor market in the US. I've been working in factories since I got out of the military and its rough. You would probably have a hard time recruiting experienced people as the surge in need for labor would eventually go away, and they'd get laid off.
I'd do it though. I live minutes from the old Twin Cities ammo factory, which i knew from my time as a WTI headstamp nerd in the military. City hall and local white people restaurants decorate with pics of ammo workers and examples of each stage of progressive stamping needed to make a brass casing.
>do you have any idea of how much time and money it takes to build a new factory and train a new workforce for it?
modern >The Lake City plant is adding an entire line and building, which are expected to be completed by fiscal 2025, solely for the manufacture of 6.8 mm ammunition.
past
“We’ve been around since 1940 — [that] is when ground was broken — and the first rounds came off the line nine months later, Sept. 12th, 1941,” he said. “There’s definitely a storied history here at Lake City.”
It's expensive but not astronomical. A new chip fab, probably one of the most expensive factories is usually 15-20 billion, and it's easily factors of magnitude greater than a munitions plant
>how much time it takes to build a new factory
Months. With money you can cut waiting queues for any material and equipment. >how much time it takes to train a new workforce
Days.
they allocated 2 billions to buy closed steel and rail plants last year,
They did and interview recently with the newly repuposed plant workers and it was pretty cool.
I also saw they rebuilt and old black powder plant last year that finalized moderization and production restarted in feb.
Honestly been a really good amount of spin up but I think Q1 2024 was orginal projection for everything to be online.
Oh yes anon, it's not going to be instant, but the clawing back of defense manufacturing output is a huge deal. Plus you have the chips acts, which in the US opened 2 new fabs and Intel just announced a massive fab in Poland. Quite honestly, I kinda buy that Putin is a plant since the west seems to have realized it can't just stick it's head in the ground anymore.
He's expanded NATO boundaries and made it highly relevant. And is destroying this army against the anvil of Ukraine. He would indeed be the greatest Western agent, it in reality he's just another megalomaniac dictator who's over extended himself.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You're right. I just can't believe such a buffoon is a leader of a nuclear country.
>you have the chips acts, which in the US opened 2 new fabs and Intel just announced a massive fab in Poland.
The fabs in the US will never be profitable, they're just a last resort backup.
US fabs hit 30-40% yields when running a node 1 generation older than what they run in Taiwan. Meanwhile in Taiwan the 1 generation newer node is hitting 70-90% yields.
US workers simply don't do well in fab environments historically.
https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1628389824875966464
https://vxtwitter.com/NOELreports/status/1628389829015752710
Here is an interview with one of the new modernized steelyards converted to artillery production from that bill.
Covid was a glaring reminder of the tactical issues our dependency on China has caused. The West has been aggressively divesting of China and rightfully so
Difference is that western artillery actually manages to hit its target, which is why Russia's 10x artillery advantage disappeared over the course of the war and Russia can't make mount an offensive worth shit and ukis made more progress in 10 days than Russia did in 10 months.
Please note that the US has produced over 100,000 PGKs as of last fall, and hasn't sent Ukraine a single one of them (just Excaliburs). It also has a few hundred thousand JDAMs, and tens or hundreds of thousands of GMLRS. That's... a lot.
Okay lets say for a sec that is true. Who are these weapon systems supposed to be used on? Russia? Well they're no longer a threat outside NOOOKS. China? Well I suppose so, but the majority of weapons used for a war with China will be ship and aircraft systems. Which are, surprisingly, not being sent to Ukraine.
So what is exactly the issue here? NATO isn't going to be involved with China. Russia isn't going to be steamrolling to Berlin. So why does it matter if ammo stocks are low for NATO?
>I hope attacks continue on Russia for the next decade.
It'll be Muscovite holdouts in St Putinsburg under attack from the Reformed Kievan Rus on one side and PLA from Chinese Siberia on the other side.
>Demilitarized Ukraine >Nato bordes pushed back >Nato weaker than ever >Putin shows the strength of the Russian army to the world >US will collapse in 10 years >All Nazis killed in Ukraine >All of the previous Iron Curtain countries want to go back, including East Germany >White race saved >Xi kneeling before Putin >India Super power by 2025 >Turkey in total collapse >European union destroyed >Boris Johnson captured and ready to be executed >Serbia takes back Kosovo
What other good news are out there?
Wagner just delivered it's demands to the Russian MOD. They want full control of the Russian military, unlimited shells and supplies and for the MOD to vacate the premises.
Same.
I know it sounds utterly braindamaged, but I kinda want to see him take Wagner worldwide as an actual unaligned PMC/mercenary group once Russia goes breasts up, potentially operating mainly out of Africa. Could you imagine the kino if them and a recently reformed Executive Outcomes go toe to toe while being funded by opposing warlords and nations?
I imagine him at the end of the Russian civil war, cracking open the last MOD bunker and there in the bunker, thousands upon thousands of shells. Gleaming, pristine shells with the oil still on them, stacked neatly on thousands upon thousands of pallets (unknown technology!) stacked from floor to ceiling in a space the size of an aircraft hanger, and this is only one of hundreds of such rooms in this bunker. And behind Prigozhin is Shoigu and Gerasimov in rags and chains. Prigozhin pushes them forward and delivers their sentence :
"You have to count all of the shells!" before pushing them in and ordering the door closed. As he walks off to his new life as Tsar, he flicks open a pair of sunglasses and puts them on.
Nah, Preggo is a former and current wiener, once his usefulness for his backers is done he'll be disposed of as people like him usual. He isn't even the head of Wagner, that's Utkin. He's just the face nowadays and on-paper owner.
this is like seeing a drunkard throw a piece of shit at a car and saying "You don't know if that was my shit, and you don't even know if that's shit, I don't have shit in my hand, your car's dirty, but it isn't because I threw shit at it, unless you yourself threw shit at it."
the shitskin mind never ceases to amaze me
Hey isn't that the General who was just fired for being entirely incompetent.
>UKR doesn't need to fire as many shells to hit their targets lmao
See 6 MSTA being wiped by HIMARs
>UKR wants more AD
Well no shit sherlock, their air force isn't in the best shape anymore and while the 2 patriot batteries have stopped 100% of the Kinzhals, it's still annoying to deal with Russian bullshit. As a reminder, that Patriot is 13-0 against your Kinzhals.
>There isn't a single location
Apparently you can't hit Kyiv anymore, so we can start there and work east
>Germany energy prices
The same Germany that has an energy surplus due to stocking up on natural gas, for a winter that only froze Russia?
You have hit 0/5 points with anything. I rate you a monke without banan, or rather just a standard Russian artilleryman
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-launches-joint-artillery-shell-production-with-nato-country-2023-02-15/
Yeah they relocated to europe awhile ago.
You should bomb them in poland it would be funny.
Alright, I have a bit of free time, let's waste it. >Why no weapons? :CCCC
Simple, Ukraine had less at the start of the war, through donations of Russia and countries with drinkable tap water its quantities have risen, but their stocks are still smaller than Russia because they always can dust off rusted weapons and put them into service, picrel. >Why does it fire less? :CCC
Less weapons to fire, more enemy fire, even if by concentration, meaning more shoot and scoot. >Why more air defense?
Because if a monkey has a weapon you need to get something to defend yourself from the monkey, or would you let the monkey shoot your house up just because?
Also, have a nice day.
>Because if a monkey has a weapon you need to get something to defend yourself from the monkey
The missile attacks still continue nightly though so obviously western AD is not enough or its trash
>I again remind you that the patriot is 13-0 against hypersonics
There is 0 proof of that, it's pure /k/ope. You are literally just taking unsourced claimed as true. It's as true as the Ghost of Kiev
>Russia can't even defend it's internationally recognized borders.
Wow the hohols lost hundreds of men and a few dozen tanks and APCs to stage a photo op of no tactical or strategic value! Russia BTFO!
>Wow the hohols lost hundreds of men and a few dozen tanks and APCs to stage a photo op of no tactical or strategic value! Russia BTFO!
May we see them chuggie?
Rajnesh, that's not really the point.
Not that I'd expect someone who can't wrap their spectrum-addled head around indoors plumbing do understand that.
11 months ago
Anonymous
nta, but I guess his point was that it took Russia less than a week to defend its borders, so "can't even defend it's internationally recognized borders" is a severe overstatement
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yes it's hyperbole. But the fact remains that if Russia were to pull back to whatever clay they've determined is forever Russian on that particular day while claiming very loudly that they've won they're still going to be subjected to an actual military making a determined push into said clay. Which is comically different from the situation with Israeli settlements in the west bank. >it took Russia less than a week to defend its borders,
name one instance of palestinian militants raiding into actual Israel and it taking a week before they're driven out.
Yeah I’m sure having raids conducted with near impunity within Russia’s borders has absolutely no alarming implications for their southern regions full of shitskins and seditious racial clans
Oh my frick, is this why we've had so many vatBlack person shill threads? I thought it was just another HIMARS strike smacking a general and another 200 mobiks, but this? Holy shit this is big. If Putin actually pulls a Bush and says "mission accomplished" while pulling his forces out of Ukraine with their tails between their legs, we will be beholden to the single greatest military humiliations of the past century.
I think the terrible fear that most Russian higher-ups are going to have is seeing the "dirty unintelligent hohol piggies" become better than the glorious superior Russians economically, militarily, and culturally.
The cognitive dissonance would literally tear Russia apart.
>battle of bakhmut >the battle where Russia took 10 months to take an area less than 1/10 the size of kharkiv which was taken in a week
You posted literally no proof of russia's 10x shell advantage but proof that Russia's offensive capacity has degrade to 100x less than it was before all the goodwill gestures.
It's a ditch that Russians spent tens of thousands of men to take, and now requires tens of thousands men to defend. Many of the Russian soldiers lost were shot by the folk hero Yevgeny Prigozhin, as they were weak and effeminate. An important part of history.
Thank goodness vatniks are moronic. Imagine if they had used all those men and material to do something useful.
>Prigozhin becomes president >New laws are all laden with swearing and threats of being struck in the head with a sledge hammer >All males upon turning 18 are required to sign contracts with Wagner >Russia becomes a nation of mercenaries selling its military might to the highest bidder >Warboss Prigozhin goes down in history as the most orky tzar who ever lived
Please let it happen. Easily the best character to emerge from this conflict.
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Hey isn't that the General who was just fired for being entirely incompetent.
>UKR doesn't need to fire as many shells to hit their targets lmao
See 6 MSTA being wiped by HIMARs
>UKR wants more AD
Well no shit sherlock, their air force isn't in the best shape anymore and while the 2 patriot batteries have stopped 100% of the Kinzhals, it's still annoying to deal with Russian bullshit. As a reminder, that Patriot is 13-0 against your Kinzhals.
>There isn't a single location
Apparently you can't hit Kyiv anymore, so we can start there and work east
>Germany energy prices
The same Germany that has an energy surplus due to stocking up on natural gas, for a winter that only froze Russia?
You have hit 0/5 points with anything. I rate you a monke without banan, or rather just a standard Russian artilleryman
I know it's bait and not my blog, but >Just went diving with some Russians >Against the war of course >Ask me about energy prices >Tell them they are lower than before the war >They don't believe me due to the war and inflation >Pull up graphs >They are shocked >Told me they hate Putin, but they thought Russia was at least powerful enough to have an impact on Europe when it leaves >Tell them we view it as a gas station with an army >They are silent and stare at the sea for the next 20 minutes
I almost felt bad.
I know that feel. It just doesn't feel good when you're debating someone who's genuine about their beliefs and isn't even a bad guy and they lose. They don't even get mad at you, they're just visibly crushed and disheartened. You see their enthusiasm just drain from their eyes and they lose their liveliness for a bit.
I never know what to do in that situation, usually I try to say something to make them feel better about it but it doesn't really work. It's like telling a friend that his wife's been cheating on him behind his back, there doesn't seem to be much you can do to dull the pain for him.
No amount of shitty news snippets will change the fact that Puccia couldn’t take a town of 80k over the course of 8 fricking months. That’s imperial proof positive that Russia’s artillery advantage has gone from “Grozny tier,” to “Serbia tier,” and that’s a best case scenario for Puccia. More than likely the flurry of precision UAF arty strikes this past week has knocked out valuable Russian defense positions (see that MSTA battalion? Not anymore you don’t lol)
If the war continues on like this for another month, Russia might start bringing T-64s out of storage to use as arty… OH WAIT LOL, they already did that… and then when it wasn’t enough they started bringing out T-55s. Truly the second army of the world huh
I think Putins little press conference oopsie about losing ~50 tanks in a handful of days tells us everything we need to know about the counter-offensive considering >Russians lie about their losses all the time >The Ukie loses we've seen have been limited and replenishable (see: US already sending in new Bradleys to replace the loses). >Russia has what, 4k tanks in Ukraine right now?
The Ukies might not be advancing that much yet, but they are probably chewing through the Russian material at a terrifying speed as the counter-offensive forces the Russians to move up their stockpiles within Himar range again. They probably also have a very hard time actually engaging the western armor as so far we see primarily mobility killed vehicles getting finished up by artillery or drones going in to torch them before they can be recovered.
Basically, the Russians are probably running out of "stuff".
>Russia has what, 4k tanks in Ukraine right now?
Russia has 6k more in Russia. There is no way, mathematically, that Ukraine wins this. People were hyping up the 'optics' of the western wunderwaffe and whoa, looks like they're useless against mines and artillery.
>Russia has 6k more in Russia. There is no way, mathematically, that Ukraine wins this.
lol, lmao, Ruskie losses total well over 400k people not including "missing" and Wagner. They blew up so much of their armor they had to pullparade stock and refit rusting pieces of shit for frontline tanks and AA. If you think they're winning anything but the "worlds most incompetent military" award, you're crazy
P>eople were hyping up the 'optics' of the western wunderwaffe and whoa, looks like they're useless against mines and artillery.
Why do you snow Black folk always try to use terms we use on you against us, it's like you completely miss the context and then just regurgitate it back. Genuinely do not understand this moronation. Especially when a couple of shitty hand me down HIMARS and STORMSHADOWS fricked you raw during the hold of Bakhmut which you morons STILL HAVE NOT TAKEN.
> There is no way, mathematically, that Ukraine wins this.
Explain mathematically how the US lost the terror wars if “having way more stuff at home” is the primary metric for determining success.
>Why Budanov no video
Jesus Christ, it's Zaluzhny all over again. Is it really impossible for you ziggers to make yourself not look moronic? Do you lack object permanence?
>Why does Ukraine say it does not have enough weapons then?
Because you never have "enough" in war. When did Allied supplies to the S*viets reach their peak, anon? Which year? And were they winning or losing by that point?
>Why does Ukraine fire less artillery daily then Russia does?
Because R*ssoids unironically can't hit shit if they don't fire a frick ton of rounds. Their ancient equipment has trash CEP and with every round that goes through their garbage barrels it gets even worse. VatBlack folk like yourself bragging about the orcs firing twenty, thirty thousand shells a day is a hilarious self-own that you are too fricking stupid to grasp.
>Why does Ukraine say it needs more air defenses and why does Russia bomb targets all across the country on a nightly basis largely unimpeded?
See above and because attacking is easier to do than defending. To dumb it down to the point that even you should have at least a chance of getting it:
If you have 10 locations you want to protect but only 10 systems capable of shooting down 1 missiles each and the enemy has 10 missiles per attack then you are have a dilemma on your hands because no matter how you distribute your systems, the enemy can simply either a) fire at a location you left undefended (to concentrate defenses on others) or b) fire enough missiles to overwhelm the defenses of any location with fewer systems than you have missiles.
>There isnt a single location in all of Ukraine where factories cannot be blown up by Russian missiles
Sure there are, the ones adequately defended. Or why has R*ssia still not managed to hit Kyiv's government buildings (even though R*ssoids clamored for it since the start of the war)? More gestures of good will?
Besides, you overestimate the effectiveness of strategic bombing. Just look at WWII. Germans rebuilt completely bombed out factories in a matter of months, sometimes even just weeks. R*ssoids would have to keep hitting it and since most recently the only things that really manage to get through are Shasneeds with their tiny payload, it is highly unlikely that they'd ever manage to completely bomb out any such factory in the first place. At most they'd inconvenience it a bit for a day or two while someone has to sweep up some broken glass, an intern and fix a whole in the roof.
I suspect that they may feel the need to retreat to crimea now while their defensive lines are intact and the Ukrainians won't be able to nip at their heels.
It's going to happen isn't it?
They will just leave rubble and pull out claiming victory. Just matter of time.
So what is actually the point of this? It's not like they are going to retreatm82sm8
>It's not like they are going to retreatm82sm8
Thats up to them. Then they are stuck in their Afghanistan on steroids forever. good luck lmao
Can't argue with that logic, mr Peskov
i guess that's one way to explain things. using weapons that are not your own is totally demilitarizing.
argie tier of stupidity
>you see, if you print pesos in paris you don't get inflation, france gets that inflation
He's not wrong, Ukraine today can't manufacture (on any meaningful scale):
- heavy equipment - tanks, APCs, armored vehicles etc
- small arms - not even pistols
- artillery - not even light mortars
- planes, cruise missiles, drones
- spare parts for anything listed above
- ammunition - can't make shells, can't make rifle rounds
Previously, they at least had ammo factories, could manufacture tanks for export, were developing complex anti-ship missiles etc. No, buying parts from China and assembling them into 20 remote controlled boats doesn't count.
Wrong.
Also, LMAO, western arms firms are practically waiting in line to go into co-ops with ukrainian ones. Ukraines arms industry isn't jsut alive, it's gonna be bigger and better than ever.
>buy 50,000 rounds of ammo, two dozen rifles and a suite of pistols from your LGS
>have legal right and cash to buy lots more
>but you can’t manufacture guns and bullets entirely within your garage so technically you’ve been disarmed
The absolute, unbelievable, uncountenanceable, unthinkable, unenviable STATE of pozziyans and their shills at this point
I mean ... they already signed contracts with Western MIC corporations to build shit like tank factories (e.g. Rheinmetall) in Ukraine. And you can bet your ass these efforts will only intensify should R*ssoids actually leave/get forced out. The defense industry tends to be quite the focus for nations with belligerent neighbors.
>Ukrine will have less of its (our slavshit) own weapons
>it will be fully NATO weaponry making them basically NATO alligned which we said they can't be but now seem to be
>VICTORY
this is the dumbest shit ever.
ukraine has more weapons now then ever
russia has less than when it started
>this is the dumbest shit ever.
You could say this every few days since before war even started
Yes our goal was to expand nato, boost non Russian weapon exports and write off most of our military stocks.
lmao this combined with recent putin press and priggy shenanigans... is russia trying to gear for pulling out of ukraine and calling it a victory?
They see the western MIC only contines to accelerate and has worked through most of its stumbling blocks.
It while still may still not be enough for now the same can be said about 6 months or a year from now.
I'm basically drooling in lue of my stocks in Raytheon/BAE/Lockheeb/Rheinmetall and the like to go brrrrrrrt.
>they're using less slavshit and more NATO equipment therefore we've won
Is it being Russian that causes this degree of stupidity or is it simply living in Russia that degrades the mind?
what I find more unbelievable than Peskov saying this is someone believing it
>lied to drag America in a stupid war that cost over 4,000 American lives $1.7 TRILLION dollars and resulted in just more Islamic terrorists
Why isn't that fricker in prison?
Because they're all part of the same elite club.
Uh oh we got a libtard Hillary shill in the wire. Lemme guess, next time you impeach Trump he'll actually be guilty?
schizophrenic post
He's going to prison before the end of next year anyways.
The press is already trying to offer him a "plea deal" whereby all is forgiven if he just promises not to run for office again.
>the press
>offering plea deals
Holy schizophrenia
I wonder if they'll drag him to prison a few months or a few days before the election. Imagine the scenes.
Some libtard commentators are fuming that since none of the charges have a mandatory minimum and the judge is biased in favor of Trump, she'll just give him no prison time even if he's found guilty of everything, and supposedly there's no appealing such a decision.
Well good thing its not the press who runs the courts then is it?
Take notes anons, this is a divide and conquer shill. Notice that nobody was talking about Trump until this guy makes an intentionally inflammatory post dripping with petty sarcasm for no reason.
I don't care what anyone says, American politics being used in this way only serves to divide the nation and this board further and serve the interests of foreign tyrants, regardless of which party you throw your lot behind. In fact, there's been a lot of this political shitflinging lately that has zero relation to weapons or to the ongoing war, just people spouting off conspiracy nonsense about Russia and Trump or Biden and whoever else to derail the discussion and sow discord.
Set it aside, call out or ignore the homosexuals stirring the shit like this poster is, domestic partisan pettiness can be put on hold until after every anti-American who hates us all is a charred skeleton in the burnt-out ruins of their inferior barbarian "nation", simple as.
Rome fell because of political divides, and if we're going to fall I want the world to burn before we do. America needs to be the last one standing, and it will be.
Rome didn't fall because of political divide, or at least not completely. It was the crumbling of a difficult to manage territorial empire. If they had jets they would still be standing today. Everything was just too slow to have a large empire back then, which is all the more impressive that it lasted that long.
A decent amount of it was the great divisions amongst them. For starters, politicians were about as unbudging partisans as they are now, often outright encouraging their supporters to beat up the supporters of their rivals. Of course, none of them would agree on anything or compromise.
There was a religious rift, but as of the late empire it wasn't what you might think. Rather than a Christian and pagan thing, it was actually more Nicene and Arian Christians getting into massive brawls after each and every mass because of that whole Trinity debate. It was said you couldn't even buy bread without the baker asking you which side you were on before he'd sell to you.
There was a long-standing "racial" rift too. Or rather, division between the Romans and the myriad of conquered provincial peoples also calling themselves Roman. The only solution the government tried was telling them "well, we're all Romans now" which just made people lose faith in the system.
There was a gender rift too. Women were tired of their husbands killing their babies for being the wrong gender or something, so many flocked to Christianity because it taught that infanticide was abhorrent. This played into previous rifts, but you saw the old Roman ways of life changing rapidly.
There was other stuff like the economy (they managed to cause fricking inflation somehow) and enlisting foreigners who didn't care about Rome into the legion, as well as Rome having a gender ratio that was 60% male to 40% female due to the aforementioned infanticides (so a lot of disenfranchised men unable to get a wife), but these social divides played their part too. Some people blame Christianity, but it was just icing on the shit cake that was the late Empire. It was going to fall regardless of Jesus's input. Provinces were rebelling and breaking away over time until they lost it all due to these other divides. The last "emperor" was deposed and replaced by a king when their dominion was over Italy alone.
One of the biggest for the WRE was that the tax base was reduced as massive farm pay little to no tax.
>they managed to cause fricking inflation somehow
In a currency using precious metals you get inflation by debasing the currency, i.e. minting coins with less valuable metals mixed in in greater proportion.
Lets you pay for more stuff by basically just printing extra money, but puts more of it in circulation and acts as an extra hidden tax on everyone who's not a land owner.
I hate American urbanites more then I could ever hate rural Russians, Russia nuking our population centers would be the greatest gift they ever gave us.
This style of opinion only exists within a nation that has no peer enemies anon.
Because he's a lovable goofball:)
He just finished what his dad should have done in 1991.
Look up project for a new American century, there was loads of high up Politicians behind all this.
conspiracy with no credible evidence
Because Congress gave him the power with the AUMF. It was and still is very legal.
He did nothing wrong.
Let’s be real, dubya was just the useful idiot
Still no WMDs in Iraq. No comparison
We did find chemical weapons in Iraq actually. Ukraine is now more militarized than before
>chemical weapons
>wmd
moron
>The proliferation of weapons of mass destruction (WMD) and their delivery systems could have incalculable consequences for national, regional and global security.
>The potential effects of these types of weapons – which include nuclear devices, radiological material, biological pathogens and chemical substances – are some of the greatest threats that NATO faces.
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_50325.htm
My town's police has tear gas. Are they a threat to NATO?
>The New York Times found 17 American service members and seven Iraqi police officers who were exposed to nerve or mustard agents after 2003.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/14/world/middleeast/us-casualties-of-iraq-chemical-weapons.html
Literally anyone can go to Walmart and get the ingredients to make mustard gas
There were caches of nerve and mustard agent warheads, weapons of mass destruction, found in Iraq after the 2003 invasion. This is well documented. Give up.
Liar.
>MY TOWN'S POLICE HASA DE TEAR GAS WAHWAHWEEWA!
does your police department use sarin, vx, or mustard gas to break up protests or purge neighborhoods? because if so yeah maybe they are a notable threat.
You're a special kind of stupid y'know that?
>We did find chemical weapons in Iraq actually.
> "we"
No. "We" did not find anything, you lying shit. To this day "we" still have found nothing of the sort, not even any records or evidence of any having been there When Uncle Tom Powell lied to the world at the UN.
(You) lying shitstain.
Anon, while there was no evidence of yellowcake or nuclear weapons, either in progress or finished, it was common knowledge the Iraqis posessed chemical weapons, and the US destroyed several dumps between Desert Storm and the second invasion. That was the cause of Gulf War syndrome, lingering sarin in the air from a destroyed depot.
They gased the kids that Iran attacked them with. They had chemical weapons at some point.
The Russian people will gladly believe this, but how will the fifth columnists outside Russia be able to spin Russia packing up and leaving ukraine?
What about the new "supposedly" russian territories that had the referendum last year? Are they just going to let Ukraine conquer Russian territory? And what about Crimea? If Ukraine returns to Mariupol you can bet your ass that bridge is going down, is Russia just going to abandon it as well? How could they spin such a turn of events into a victory?
It's quite simple anon, they'll just lie.
They had a chance early in the war to keep Crimea, and potentially parts of Donbass too. Ukraine is no longer prepared to concede those territories, so Russia is totally fricked.
So they're going to give up Crimea without a fight?
Not only Ukraine but the decadent west is being demilitarized too, Putin is a masterclass strategist
Oh no, we might have to invest in manufacturing and bring our output back up OH NOOOOOOOOOOO.
>literally China's worst fear is coming to pass thanks to Russia.
>we might have to invest in manufacturing and bring our output back up OH NOOOOOOOOOOO.
By the time that will achieve any results the war will be long over, do you have any idea of how much time and money it takes to build a new factory and train a new workforce for it?
The west is perfectly capable of supplying Ukraine what it need right now. This war is serving as the alarm bell that the west needs to reopen their factories. Already you have MICs lining up to refurb and refresh Ukrainian factories, and they've made noises about reopening shipyards. This war is the best thing for NATO and western military production in years.
>less than 2 years ago, Euros genuinely believed militaries were a thing of the past
>whats worse, is they call YOU the idiot for thinking it was a bad idea to completely abandon arms procurement
>fast forward 1 year later
>"ah man, if only somebody told us expedited procurements were exponentially more painful and expensive than planned out ones".
>build a new factory
Why? The US is running a large number of existing factories below capacityi n peacetime exactly so they can quickly and cheaply ramp up production as needed.
>Why does Ukraine say it does not have enough weapons then?
Because that's literally their job. I know braindead thirdies from authoritarian third world shitholes like you don't really get how politics work, but come on!
>There isnt a single location in all of Ukraine where factories cannot be blown up by Russian missiles
There isn't a single location in Ukraine that cannot be defended from russian missile chimpouts.
>With what energy supplies?
The ones that have already fully replaced those from Russia outside delusional zigger cope.
>muh recession
LMAO. Menawhile Russia ha salready entered total economic collapse. Forex reserves ar erunning out, and after that all that's left is the printing press and going full Zimbabwe.
the biggest hindrance would probably be getting and training the workforce, given the current labor market in the US. I've been working in factories since I got out of the military and its rough. You would probably have a hard time recruiting experienced people as the surge in need for labor would eventually go away, and they'd get laid off.
I'd do it though. I live minutes from the old Twin Cities ammo factory, which i knew from my time as a WTI headstamp nerd in the military. City hall and local white people restaurants decorate with pics of ammo workers and examples of each stage of progressive stamping needed to make a brass casing.
>do you have any idea of how much time and money it takes to build a new factory and train a new workforce for it?
modern
>The Lake City plant is adding an entire line and building, which are expected to be completed by fiscal 2025, solely for the manufacture of 6.8 mm ammunition.
past
“We’ve been around since 1940 — [that] is when ground was broken — and the first rounds came off the line nine months later, Sept. 12th, 1941,” he said. “There’s definitely a storied history here at Lake City.”
too lazy to look up costs
It's expensive but not astronomical. A new chip fab, probably one of the most expensive factories is usually 15-20 billion, and it's easily factors of magnitude greater than a munitions plant
>how much time it takes to build a new factory
Months. With money you can cut waiting queues for any material and equipment.
>how much time it takes to train a new workforce
Days.
Yes, I do. Almost no time at all for westerners. For turd world shitholes it is quite difficult, but for Western nations it’s piss easy
they allocated 2 billions to buy closed steel and rail plants last year,
They did and interview recently with the newly repuposed plant workers and it was pretty cool.
I also saw they rebuilt and old black powder plant last year that finalized moderization and production restarted in feb.
Honestly been a really good amount of spin up but I think Q1 2024 was orginal projection for everything to be online.
Oh yes anon, it's not going to be instant, but the clawing back of defense manufacturing output is a huge deal. Plus you have the chips acts, which in the US opened 2 new fabs and Intel just announced a massive fab in Poland. Quite honestly, I kinda buy that Putin is a plant since the west seems to have realized it can't just stick it's head in the ground anymore.
https://freerangeamerican.us/goex-returns/
Here is the black powder plant that got modernized via the army to spin up artillery primer production.
Honestly, seeing how things are going , I too started to believe that Putin or some of his top dogs were West agents
He's expanded NATO boundaries and made it highly relevant. And is destroying this army against the anvil of Ukraine. He would indeed be the greatest Western agent, it in reality he's just another megalomaniac dictator who's over extended himself.
You're right. I just can't believe such a buffoon is a leader of a nuclear country.
>you have the chips acts, which in the US opened 2 new fabs and Intel just announced a massive fab in Poland.
The fabs in the US will never be profitable, they're just a last resort backup.
US fabs hit 30-40% yields when running a node 1 generation older than what they run in Taiwan. Meanwhile in Taiwan the 1 generation newer node is hitting 70-90% yields.
US workers simply don't do well in fab environments historically.
https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1628389824875966464
https://vxtwitter.com/NOELreports/status/1628389829015752710
Here is an interview with one of the new modernized steelyards converted to artillery production from that bill.
Covid was a glaring reminder of the tactical issues our dependency on China has caused. The West has been aggressively divesting of China and rightfully so
>invest in manufacturing
Not anymore
How significant we talking?
bout three fiddy
Vatnik cope. EU alone said they are starting up production. 1 million shells a year. Read that again. The EU alone.
Difference is that western artillery actually manages to hit its target, which is why Russia's 10x artillery advantage disappeared over the course of the war and Russia can't make mount an offensive worth shit and ukis made more progress in 10 days than Russia did in 10 months.
Please note that the US has produced over 100,000 PGKs as of last fall, and hasn't sent Ukraine a single one of them (just Excaliburs). It also has a few hundred thousand JDAMs, and tens or hundreds of thousands of GMLRS. That's... a lot.
so we just gonna ignore that? Not to mention that russia also had to buy ammo from others
Okay lets say for a sec that is true. Who are these weapon systems supposed to be used on? Russia? Well they're no longer a threat outside NOOOKS. China? Well I suppose so, but the majority of weapons used for a war with China will be ship and aircraft systems. Which are, surprisingly, not being sent to Ukraine.
So what is exactly the issue here? NATO isn't going to be involved with China. Russia isn't going to be steamrolling to Berlin. So why does it matter if ammo stocks are low for NATO?
Hahahahah
I hope attacks continue on Russia for the next decade.
>I hope attacks continue on Russia for the next decade.
It'll be Muscovite holdouts in St Putinsburg under attack from the Reformed Kievan Rus on one side and PLA from Chinese Siberia on the other side.
>Demilitarized Ukraine
>Nato bordes pushed back
>Nato weaker than ever
>Putin shows the strength of the Russian army to the world
>US will collapse in 10 years
>All Nazis killed in Ukraine
>All of the previous Iron Curtain countries want to go back, including East Germany
>White race saved
>Xi kneeling before Putin
>India Super power by 2025
>Turkey in total collapse
>European union destroyed
>Boris Johnson captured and ready to be executed
>Serbia takes back Kosovo
What other good news are out there?
Wagner just delivered it's demands to the Russian MOD. They want full control of the Russian military, unlimited shells and supplies and for the MOD to vacate the premises.
https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1669789313918459904
REMOVE DEGENERATE MONGOLS FROM THE PREMISES
I love this moron so much it's unreal.
Same.
I know it sounds utterly braindamaged, but I kinda want to see him take Wagner worldwide as an actual unaligned PMC/mercenary group once Russia goes breasts up, potentially operating mainly out of Africa. Could you imagine the kino if them and a recently reformed Executive Outcomes go toe to toe while being funded by opposing warlords and nations?
I imagine him at the end of the Russian civil war, cracking open the last MOD bunker and there in the bunker, thousands upon thousands of shells. Gleaming, pristine shells with the oil still on them, stacked neatly on thousands upon thousands of pallets (unknown technology!) stacked from floor to ceiling in a space the size of an aircraft hanger, and this is only one of hundreds of such rooms in this bunker. And behind Prigozhin is Shoigu and Gerasimov in rags and chains. Prigozhin pushes them forward and delivers their sentence :
"You have to count all of the shells!" before pushing them in and ordering the door closed. As he walks off to his new life as Tsar, he flicks open a pair of sunglasses and puts them on.
Underrated, severely underrated.
Nah, Preggo is a former and current wiener, once his usefulness for his backers is done he'll be disposed of as people like him usual. He isn't even the head of Wagner, that's Utkin. He's just the face nowadays and on-paper owner.
then you should kick them all out of Russia right fricking now. Starting with the Islamic
this is like seeing a drunkard throw a piece of shit at a car and saying "You don't know if that was my shit, and you don't even know if that's shit, I don't have shit in my hand, your car's dirty, but it isn't because I threw shit at it, unless you yourself threw shit at it."
the shitskin mind never ceases to amaze me
Hey isn't that the General who was just fired for being entirely incompetent.
>UKR doesn't need to fire as many shells to hit their targets lmao
See 6 MSTA being wiped by HIMARs
>UKR wants more AD
Well no shit sherlock, their air force isn't in the best shape anymore and while the 2 patriot batteries have stopped 100% of the Kinzhals, it's still annoying to deal with Russian bullshit. As a reminder, that Patriot is 13-0 against your Kinzhals.
>There isn't a single location
Apparently you can't hit Kyiv anymore, so we can start there and work east
>Germany energy prices
The same Germany that has an energy surplus due to stocking up on natural gas, for a winter that only froze Russia?
You have hit 0/5 points with anything. I rate you a monke without banan, or rather just a standard Russian artilleryman
Wait you think we have a energy crisis over here? Lmao it isn't 2022 anymore Rasheed
What an amazing victory. Congratulations.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-launches-joint-artillery-shell-production-with-nato-country-2023-02-15/
Yeah they relocated to europe awhile ago.
You should bomb them in poland it would be funny.
Alright, I have a bit of free time, let's waste it.
>Why no weapons? :CCCC
Simple, Ukraine had less at the start of the war, through donations of Russia and countries with drinkable tap water its quantities have risen, but their stocks are still smaller than Russia because they always can dust off rusted weapons and put them into service, picrel.
>Why does it fire less? :CCC
Less weapons to fire, more enemy fire, even if by concentration, meaning more shoot and scoot.
>Why more air defense?
Because if a monkey has a weapon you need to get something to defend yourself from the monkey, or would you let the monkey shoot your house up just because?
Also, have a nice day.
>Because if a monkey has a weapon you need to get something to defend yourself from the monkey
The missile attacks still continue nightly though so obviously western AD is not enough or its trash
The attacks continue, but they can't hit anything. I again remind you that the patriot is 13-0 against hypersonics
>I again remind you that the patriot is 13-0 against hypersonics
There is 0 proof of that, it's pure /k/ope. You are literally just taking unsourced claimed as true. It's as true as the Ghost of Kiev
Alright, then show it.
Do they believe Ukraine will just leave Crimeam Donbawe and Luganda alone if they run away screaming "nu-uh, we won!" loud enough?
They tried to run to the UN about it recently, and I think the response was.
>Annexing via military doesn't make it yours forever, or something like that
Too bad the US already let Israel do it for decades
two can play at that game
Israel can actually defend that territory.
Russia can't even defend it's internationally recognized borders.
>Russia can't even defend it's internationally recognized borders.
Wow the hohols lost hundreds of men and a few dozen tanks and APCs to stage a photo op of no tactical or strategic value! Russia BTFO!
>Wow the hohols lost hundreds of men and a few dozen tanks and APCs to stage a photo op of no tactical or strategic value! Russia BTFO!
May we see them chuggie?
Rajnesh, that's not really the point.
Not that I'd expect someone who can't wrap their spectrum-addled head around indoors plumbing do understand that.
nta, but I guess his point was that it took Russia less than a week to defend its borders, so "can't even defend it's internationally recognized borders" is a severe overstatement
Yes it's hyperbole. But the fact remains that if Russia were to pull back to whatever clay they've determined is forever Russian on that particular day while claiming very loudly that they've won they're still going to be subjected to an actual military making a determined push into said clay. Which is comically different from the situation with Israeli settlements in the west bank.
>it took Russia less than a week to defend its borders,
name one instance of palestinian militants raiding into actual Israel and it taking a week before they're driven out.
>the hohols lost hundreds of men and a few dozen tanks and APCs
May we see them?
>no tactical or strategic value
Well it obviously caused enough strategic pressure that we're now getting this prelude to more gestures of goodwill.
Yeah I’m sure having raids conducted with near impunity within Russia’s borders has absolutely no alarming implications for their southern regions full of shitskins and seditious racial clans
Oh my frick, is this why we've had so many vatBlack person shill threads? I thought it was just another HIMARS strike smacking a general and another 200 mobiks, but this? Holy shit this is big. If Putin actually pulls a Bush and says "mission accomplished" while pulling his forces out of Ukraine with their tails between their legs, we will be beholden to the single greatest military humiliations of the past century.
Oh my mother of frick, please be true.
This is surreal. From Russia's perspective, Ukraine becoming dependent on and intergrated into the western MIC is a bad, bad thing.
I think the terrible fear that most Russian higher-ups are going to have is seeing the "dirty unintelligent hohol piggies" become better than the glorious superior Russians economically, militarily, and culturally.
The cognitive dissonance would literally tear Russia apart.
Eh, they would just cope and seethe. Probably something like "Ukraine cheated with western aid, not real hard work like russia"
>battle of bakhmut
>the battle where Russia took 10 months to take an area less than 1/10 the size of kharkiv which was taken in a week
You posted literally no proof of russia's 10x shell advantage but proof that Russia's offensive capacity has degrade to 100x less than it was before all the goodwill gestures.
lmao, how many times have the hohols claimed to be advancing on the edges of Bakhmut? like 4 or 5 times?
>Prigo is a hohol
OH NONONONO, don't tell him lmao.
How many times did Russians claim to have taken Bahkmut? 20 times? 30? Almost daily for 10 months?
for an irrellevant strategic city Bakhmut seems to be getting a lot of continued attention from the Ukrainians.
It's a ditch that Russians spent tens of thousands of men to take, and now requires tens of thousands men to defend. Many of the Russian soldiers lost were shot by the folk hero Yevgeny Prigozhin, as they were weak and effeminate. An important part of history.
Thank goodness vatniks are moronic. Imagine if they had used all those men and material to do something useful.
>do something useful
>vatniks being useful ever
anon...
>Prigozhin becomes president
>New laws are all laden with swearing and threats of being struck in the head with a sledge hammer
>All males upon turning 18 are required to sign contracts with Wagner
>Russia becomes a nation of mercenaries selling its military might to the highest bidder
>Warboss Prigozhin goes down in history as the most orky tzar who ever lived
Please let it happen. Easily the best character to emerge from this conflict.
Honestly its between him and girkin,
But Girkin is more like a retired COD villian at this point.
I unironically want Prigozhin to take over Russia, he's like 2016 era Trump but with death threats and his own private army
>All according to plan
If you say /k/ope one more time, then communism will finally win.
I wonder how many leftypol troons killed themselves because of the bullying they received here.
>everytime you post, think of leftypol
Every time you bust a nut, think of Hitler
what about denazifying?
Azov prisoners were released so I guess russia determined that those were no longer nazis
post link homosexual.
https://ria.ru/20230617/spetsoperatsiya-1878939728.html
How long until "Russia just wants peace and evil Ukraine under the control of HATO refuses to give us their land".
bump
Wow, is this REALLY how they're closing this one off?
>Lmao Germany has already entered a recession due to energy prices being too high
gotta fund the military somehow right? wink wink
I know it's bait and not my blog, but
>Just went diving with some Russians
>Against the war of course
>Ask me about energy prices
>Tell them they are lower than before the war
>They don't believe me due to the war and inflation
>Pull up graphs
>They are shocked
>Told me they hate Putin, but they thought Russia was at least powerful enough to have an impact on Europe when it leaves
>Tell them we view it as a gas station with an army
>They are silent and stare at the sea for the next 20 minutes
I almost felt bad.
>>Tell them we view it as a gas station with an army
>>They are silent and stare at the sea for the next 20 minutes
I dont know who "we" is
but don't feel bad, sometimes people need some reflection.
I know that feel. It just doesn't feel good when you're debating someone who's genuine about their beliefs and isn't even a bad guy and they lose. They don't even get mad at you, they're just visibly crushed and disheartened. You see their enthusiasm just drain from their eyes and they lose their liveliness for a bit.
I never know what to do in that situation, usually I try to say something to make them feel better about it but it doesn't really work. It's like telling a friend that his wife's been cheating on him behind his back, there doesn't seem to be much you can do to dull the pain for him.
un
fricking
believable
can't wait to see this pissed onto vatnik faces from soloviev.
>in all ways except physical, Russia is victorious
No amount of shitty news snippets will change the fact that Puccia couldn’t take a town of 80k over the course of 8 fricking months. That’s imperial proof positive that Russia’s artillery advantage has gone from “Grozny tier,” to “Serbia tier,” and that’s a best case scenario for Puccia. More than likely the flurry of precision UAF arty strikes this past week has knocked out valuable Russian defense positions (see that MSTA battalion? Not anymore you don’t lol)
If the war continues on like this for another month, Russia might start bringing T-64s out of storage to use as arty… OH WAIT LOL, they already did that… and then when it wasn’t enough they started bringing out T-55s. Truly the second army of the world huh
I think Putins little press conference oopsie about losing ~50 tanks in a handful of days tells us everything we need to know about the counter-offensive considering
>Russians lie about their losses all the time
>The Ukie loses we've seen have been limited and replenishable (see: US already sending in new Bradleys to replace the loses).
>Russia has what, 4k tanks in Ukraine right now?
The Ukies might not be advancing that much yet, but they are probably chewing through the Russian material at a terrifying speed as the counter-offensive forces the Russians to move up their stockpiles within Himar range again. They probably also have a very hard time actually engaging the western armor as so far we see primarily mobility killed vehicles getting finished up by artillery or drones going in to torch them before they can be recovered.
Basically, the Russians are probably running out of "stuff".
>Russia has what, 4k tanks in Ukraine right now?
Russia has 6k more in Russia. There is no way, mathematically, that Ukraine wins this. People were hyping up the 'optics' of the western wunderwaffe and whoa, looks like they're useless against mines and artillery.
>Russia has 6k more in Russia.
6k what? Restorable T-55:s? Cope.
>6k more
Yeah 6k rusting shit buckets that have sat in a Siberian field for 30+ years. The best they can get from them are spare (rusty) parts
>Russia has 6k more in Russia. There is no way, mathematically, that Ukraine wins this.
lol, lmao, Ruskie losses total well over 400k people not including "missing" and Wagner. They blew up so much of their armor they had to pullparade stock and refit rusting pieces of shit for frontline tanks and AA. If you think they're winning anything but the "worlds most incompetent military" award, you're crazy
P>eople were hyping up the 'optics' of the western wunderwaffe and whoa, looks like they're useless against mines and artillery.
Why do you snow Black folk always try to use terms we use on you against us, it's like you completely miss the context and then just regurgitate it back. Genuinely do not understand this moronation. Especially when a couple of shitty hand me down HIMARS and STORMSHADOWS fricked you raw during the hold of Bakhmut which you morons STILL HAVE NOT TAKEN.
> There is no way, mathematically, that Ukraine wins this.
Explain mathematically how the US lost the terror wars if “having way more stuff at home” is the primary metric for determining success.
>Why Budanov no video
Jesus Christ, it's Zaluzhny all over again. Is it really impossible for you ziggers to make yourself not look moronic? Do you lack object permanence?
>russoids taking a picture on a carrier
the most unbelievable thing about this otherwise believable picture
Yeah it's missing A LOT of black smoke
...is that the guy from the shurik movie?
Yes
The giant exhaust pipes and the faces in the crowd in back really make this perfect.
>wunderwaffe
You'd be more convincing if you could learn to break your addiction to forced buzzwords.
>Why does Ukraine say it does not have enough weapons then?
Because you never have "enough" in war. When did Allied supplies to the S*viets reach their peak, anon? Which year? And were they winning or losing by that point?
>Why does Ukraine fire less artillery daily then Russia does?
Because R*ssoids unironically can't hit shit if they don't fire a frick ton of rounds. Their ancient equipment has trash CEP and with every round that goes through their garbage barrels it gets even worse. VatBlack folk like yourself bragging about the orcs firing twenty, thirty thousand shells a day is a hilarious self-own that you are too fricking stupid to grasp.
>Why does Ukraine say it needs more air defenses and why does Russia bomb targets all across the country on a nightly basis largely unimpeded?
See above and because attacking is easier to do than defending. To dumb it down to the point that even you should have at least a chance of getting it:
If you have 10 locations you want to protect but only 10 systems capable of shooting down 1 missiles each and the enemy has 10 missiles per attack then you are have a dilemma on your hands because no matter how you distribute your systems, the enemy can simply either a) fire at a location you left undefended (to concentrate defenses on others) or b) fire enough missiles to overwhelm the defenses of any location with fewer systems than you have missiles.
>There isnt a single location in all of Ukraine where factories cannot be blown up by Russian missiles
Sure there are, the ones adequately defended. Or why has R*ssia still not managed to hit Kyiv's government buildings (even though R*ssoids clamored for it since the start of the war)? More gestures of good will?
Besides, you overestimate the effectiveness of strategic bombing. Just look at WWII. Germans rebuilt completely bombed out factories in a matter of months, sometimes even just weeks. R*ssoids would have to keep hitting it and since most recently the only things that really manage to get through are Shasneeds with their tiny payload, it is highly unlikely that they'd ever manage to completely bomb out any such factory in the first place. At most they'd inconvenience it a bit for a day or two while someone has to sweep up some broken glass, an intern and fix a whole in the roof.
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That's the general who dropped like 1000 missiles on Ukraine and failed to freeze it, right? Lmao
I suspect that they may feel the need to retreat to crimea now while their defensive lines are intact and the Ukrainians won't be able to nip at their heels.