There is no bolt-action buying guide in the sticky besides the nugget guide.
What are some things to look out for when buying a bolt action and what are some PrepHole approved bolt actions?
Missing Bolt Action Buying Guide
There is no bolt-action buying guide in the sticky besides the nugget guide.
What are some things to look out for when buying a bolt action and what are some PrepHole approved bolt actions?
There's really no point to them.
If you're a hunter, a single shot is better.
If you're a bench rest shooter, you're going custom anyway.
Can't go wrong with a Bergara B14, Tikka T3x, Browning A/X Bolt, Winchester Model 70 or Sako 85/S20 or if you are a massive high roller a Steyr Monobloc (probably the sickest looking hunting bolt action on the market).
As for caliber, literally anything .30 is always an excellent and super ubiquitous choice. 6.5 sneedmore is good too, but definitely has less room for error and you are dropping a substantial amount of energy in exchange for lighter recoil. (~30% less energy at the muzzle and within 500 yards for 30% lighter recoil)
The 6.5 sneedmore only starts benefitting at ranges over 600 yards which is irrelevant for hunting anyway.
This poster doesn't own any guns.
You are mistaken.
Man I didn’t know drooling retards were allowed to own guns. My have the times changed.
Let's see yours then.
What even is that? And please explain how a "single shot is better than a bolt action" for hunting? The only advantage is lighter weight, which immediately becomes a con as it increases recoil significantly if you are shooting anything more potent than a .223. They are generally not compatible with muzzle devices, they are often limited by dying out rimmed cartridges, they are useless as a brush or defense gun, they make it impossible to hammer big game like elk and moose with more than one bullet (or even smaller game in case of a bad shot). They can have their uses in a deer blind or as a traditional fudd LARPing item, but they really are inferior to a bolt gun in virtually every way.
Bretty gud. Japanese equivalent of the Tikka T3x.
>The only advantage is lighter weight
And shorter. And less complex. And they can be taken down and packed. And often you can change calibers.
>Not compatible with muzzle devices
I had mine threaded pretty easy. Not any different than a bolt gun. Suppressor is on the way.
>Limited by rimmed cartridges
Nonsense. Single shots have handled rimless cartridges for a long time.
>Useless as a brush or defense gun
The deer aren't shooting back.
>Impossible to hammer elk with more than one bullet
I can reload and fire in less than 3 seconds. What do you mean? It's not a muzzleloader. Is 3 seconds too slow?
You know what? Don't have that conversation in a bolt action thread. Head on over to /arg/ and let yourself be called an idiot there first.
You haven't posted your gun yet. Let's see it. I'd also like to see it taken down into 2 parts, since according to you that's not an advantage.
I'm not that guy and I'm not saying you're entirely wrong. I just think if there's to be a flamewar, it'll be funnier if it's between a single shot guy and a semi auto guy.
>Gets BTFO by a single shot rifle
>G-go away!
Kek
>I had mine threaded pretty easy.
Which, again, is more time and cost consuming than having it factory threaded. What bolt action rifle doesn't come threaded nowadays?
>Nonsense. Single shots have handled rimless cartridges for a long time.
Fine if you have an ejector. Good luck peeling shells out of the chamber with your finger nail in a high stress hunting situation.
>The deer aren't shooting back.
That's not what a brush or defense gun is for.
>I can reload and fire in less than 3 seconds. What do you mean? It's not a muzzleloader. Is 3 seconds too slow?
Yeah, it is. A gut or leg shot deer will be long gone or in the run in 3 seconds. Time between shots on a bolt action is half a second with some practice. Probably even less than that with a straight pull.
Post your gun. Let's see it.
K(ope)
Nice rifle. Does it break in half for easy transport like my single shot?
Lmao who gives a shit? Do you drive in a clown car with no back seat? Are you concealing it on the subway? Does it get lighter when you break it in half?
whats it chambered in
308 Winchester 1/10 twist.
I kinda wish I got 45-70 for blasting gongs though tbh. Might get a second one
I want a Henry in .44 Magnum, They look so nice.
A few guys on YouTube had theirs cut to 16" and suppressed. 44 Magnum can go to 400gr subsonics I believe. While 45-70 can go to 600gr.
holy fuck what a hideous fucking real life basedjak
exactly the demographic i expect to buy single sharts
Muh complexity argument is a complete misnomer when comparing most modern arms.
I like single shots, but it's sort of funny that you just end up carrying 5 or 6 rounds on the stock instead of in a mag. Fumbling around with loose cartridges that are exposed to the weather. Objectively worse.
Whats your opinion of Howa rifles?
Rugged simplicity. Nothing against bergara but I think the Remington 700 is a dated design for a couple of reasons, sliding plate extractor and the recoil lug.
Howas are also based on the Rem 700 though.
That said, they are fine rifles. Not as smooth as a Tikka and certainly not as luxurious as a Sako, but Randy Newberg is pretty based and he literally does all of his hunting with a Howa 1500 in .308.
Yeah they might be based on the Remington to a degree, but the bolts is completely different, and the receiver is also very different.
>Steyr Monobloc
What an overrated rifle. The only real advantage it has is slightly less weight, monolithic barrels being more accurate/precise is bullshit when compared to properly stressed barrels. You can buy custom guns for less money that will outshoot a monobloc.
>still mad about 6.5 in 2023
lol, lmao
anything supersonic through the heart or brain takes game.
>Personal recommendation = le mad
>booolets kill teehee
In other words water is wet. It is just that bigger, heavier bullets going nearly the same speed are generally better at killing than smaller, lighter bullets going nearly the same speed.
Nice shit particles on your 1 creedmoor cartridge by the way. Does it double as your dilator?
7/10
Poor b8
What an ugly red dot.
It's like you can't buy an ancient scope with real magnification
I have too, I switch between hunts and the spots.
Apologies then, very nice rifel
All depends in the usage ofc. Target shooting, hunting, "sniper", etc.
Tikka rifles are good to go.
I fucked the guy that fuck her, last night, last night, lol.
If it's push-feed get something with the m16 style extractor.
This isn't really necessary these days, and can even induce failures. I had one installed by a well known gunsmithing company because I wrongly assumed it was automatically better and I went from having 0 extraction issues to intermittent ones. I sent it back and they worked on it, which did improve by extraction issues but did not fully fix it.
>I have a bad gunsmith
>therefore the best extraction system for pushfeed is bad.
Your gunsmith broke your gun, you moron.
>what are some PrepHole approved bolt actions?
AR-15, Mini-14/30, AR-10, BAR, Magnum AR derivatives, and other such autoloaders. Get tf with the times, grandpa. The only legitimate reason to get a manually-cycled rifle is poverty.
And there he is. Hello Sir, do you agree with this fellow that single shot rifles are best for hunting?
>Hello Sir, do you agree with this fellow that single shot rifles are best for hunting?
Nahh, you can hunt anything in the Americas with an AR-10 and anything in Africa with a magnum autoloader like certain BAR subtypes. Manual bolties really don't need to exist, except for poorfags
>anything in the Americas with an AR-10
*AR-15
I mistyped
Seems like a lot of weight for no reason
Certain bolt actions cost more than all your organs on the black market combined, retard. And a bolt action is always going to be the inherently more accurate system due to the lack of a gas system and consequently minimal movement in the action during firing. Even an affordable bolt action will always offer better accuracy per price per bullet and much better cartridge selection than wimpy AR queer systems.
>anything in Africa with a magnum autoloader like certain BAR subtypes
LMAO no. You show up to Africa with a .300 or .338 Win Mag BAR (those are the 2 biggest cartridges available for the BAR, and the .338 isn't even sold anymore) and they'll laugh you out of the continent. .375 or 9.3x74 are the bare minimum on most African hunts.
>but but but WDM Bell with his 7mm Mauser
Shut the fuck up. You can't pull off that shot because you've never even seen an elephant in person before, let alone hunted one. You don't even know where he was aiming do you? Fucking retard.
Based. Also what's the point of making stunning rifles like
and then chamber them in .300 walmart?
Great for plains game, but why not just go with .375 or (my personal favourite) 9.3x62 and actually have a rifle suitable for dangerous game as well?
In .300 walmart it's just a glorified mutt durr gun.
.300 WM will take buffalo easily.
not legally though
I'm not a big fan of .300 Win Mag either. It's good for large American game, but I like .35 Whelen more.
.308 cal cartridges are best kept at sub 55 mm case length if you ask me (so they fit in a short length action). You aren't gaining a whole lot by adding 30-90 m/s of muzzle velocity behind the same diameter bullet. Frontal surface area and weight/momentum are what kill large(st) game. That's why .308 WINchester is so great and popular. It will do the exact same things .30-06 and .300 WM do within 400 meters. That is the upper echelon of what I still consider an ethical hunting distance. Anything beyond that has nothing to do with hunting full stop.
For serious big and dangerous game hunts, you have to increase bullet diameter and weight. Velocity, despite it actually being more crucial than weight to the kinetic energy equation, just isn't as crucial as driving a large, heavy bullet that will crush bone and have plenty of shank to penetrate deep into the animal in practice.
Unfortunately they only make ARs in cartridges for gays.
That's a big boi. I'm guessing .458 Lott? You planning to take that bitch to Africa?
What rifle btw?
It's a model 70 that got rebarreled to .458 win mag, then reamed to .458 Lott. And honestly I wasn't when I started looking at rifles like it, but I am now pursuing hunting as a hobby. The guy I bought it from has a family safari business and offered me a deal.
Confirmed baste
Or because you think they're cool
>he can only afford one kind of action of gun
>calls others poors
22lr you have
Cz457,tikka t1x,ruger american rim, markii savage and b22.
These almost all have a different family that is also good and easy to suggest.
Savage is a little more confusing but still best performance per price but you sacrifice a lot for mark ii and axis ii.
fuck
Disregard bolt guns and buy a lever gun instead.
>but muh spitzers
The Savage 99, Browning BLR, Henry Long Ranger, and Winchester 1488 are all have box or rotary mags and are chambered in modern cartridges.
.338 LM should work fine on anything that walks on this earth
Oh hey, a bolt action thread! Maybe they’ll discuss…-
>autist sperg if about single shot rifles
>fags saying “just get an auto loader bro”
>disingenuous retards every other reply
I fucking hate this board so much. Anyway, here’s my fucking CZ-550 FS in 6.5x55 and my 455 FS in .22. I’m hoping to get ahold of a 527 FS in .223 one of these days but the price has doubled since they were discontinued.
>a 527 FS in .223 one of these days but the price has doubled since they were discontinued.
I'm the same anon, I'm kicking myself for putting off one of those for months and then it was too late
why are your feet backward
It mean he descends from European royalty. Y'know, from all of the inbreeding.
Got Stutzen are so ugly
Got that bull terrier nose cheekrest
Dont buy Remingtons, Kimber, Christensen Arms, or Weatherby.
Ruger American, Savage Axis II, or Tikka if you're poor. Winchester Model 70, Sako 85, Bergara B14, Ruger 77, are all great rifles.
No need to look at any other brands, unless you want some super richfag rifle like a Mauser 98, or some safari rifle like a Rigby or H&H.
Only look into surplus if you want to collect or want one for other reasons than practicality. Otherwise you're wasting money.
ELR Rifles in super magnums are a waste, unless you can actually afford to shoot them. Don't expect to be building rifles if you're new to shooting.
New rems are gtg, quality is top notch now and brownings a/x bolts are good too.
Is Weatherby fucked up now? Shame because they came up with a lot of neat cartridges over the years.
In a way, I disagree with saying to avoid surplus. Avoid unmolested surplus by all means (unless you're collecting as you said), but you can actually wind up with a nice rifle if you look at sporerized stuff. My 1917 cost me $300 and I've gotten a lot of use out of it. Eventually I'll rechamber it to .35 Whelen, but for now .30-06 is great.
The Weatherby Mark series is fine. My problem with it is all the proprietary cartridges they're chambered in. They're really expensive in very uncommon super magnum cartridges. If you can afford it then fine.
Yeah, sporterized surplus if you can find it thats not completely raped is cool too. Im just generalizing really.
That's good to hear. Aren't Browning and Nu-Winchester, made by the same Japs?
Yes. I has a mod 70 in 300wsm i sold a few years back that was made in miroku, and my x bolt pros have the same roll mark. Both the winchester and the brownings are nicely made. Only gripe i could say about them is the bedding. The winchester had a glob of glue and the brownings have a bigger glob of glue. The brownings bedding though fully encases the lug leaving ZERO wiggle room, where the winchester just had a flat face for the lug and a rounded surface for the barrel to reseat when the whole works returned to battery.
Why'd you sell it? .300 WSM is based.
The amm it liked vanished off of shelves everywhere i looked and then when i got into reloading there wasnt any brass to be found....then the 30cal projectiles i liked (180gr accubonds) vanished.
Jesus you couldve taken all my cases
Theyre nice rifles but their proprietary camberings are pure bullshit. In my area ive seen barely a trickle of ammo in those cals in the last three years and all the weatherby fanbois are whining and crying all the time about it.
When i was at cabelas one of those fags was complaining about no ammo for his guns to the poor kids behind the counter. I merely said "ditch the gun and get one in 308, 270, 3006, 300win or something common...dont expect the weatherby stuff anytime soon"
Well fuck, you think i kicked his fat little kid...he was not impressed. I had to remind him that the market dictates the demand.
What about Zastava? They seem to make pretty good cheap mausers.
They make cheap Mauser clones. That's it. Good really isn't part of the metric (unless you like cutting yourself on hastily cut iron sights).
>Good really isn't part of the metric
Why?
W
I mean, what can they do wrong with Mauser to make it not good
The Vanguard is a Howa and typically comes in more reasonable calibers. I think it's a perfectly fine gun for the price. Also, don't act like having a .30-378 isn't worth even. Even if you can only ever find a single box of ammo or reload your own, you can shit on all of the other .30 cal fags.
What do you guys think of Savage bolt guns? My understanding is that they generally have a knack for making exceptionally accurate rifles for reasonable money. I just picked up an Axis II Precision in .30-06. MSRP is about $900 but can be had for less. For that money you get the adjustable Accutrigger like all the other Axis II's, a heavy profile threaded barrel, 20 MOA rise picatinny rail, and mounted in a Savage exclusive version of the MDT Oryx chassis with an MLOK compatible forend which also takes AICS style magazines. On mine I've also added a Vortex Viper PST II 5-25x50mm first focal plane scope with the EBR-7C MOA reticle, a basic Harris bipod, and a Stingerworx Emperor muzzle brake with the accompanying suppressor on the way. Overall I'm into it for about $2200 not including the suppressor. Not bad for a chassis rifle setup. And with enough practice/skill you could easily outshoot someone with a setup double, if not triple the price.
>$2200 into an axis
Anon, I'm so sorry
To be fair, the scope was $1,100 of that. A basic Axis II will run what, about $479 msrp? Then the chassis from Modular Driven Technologies is about $450. I acutually like the Savage exlusive version of the Oryx chassis better than the original from MDT. The original forend is just a huge chunk of blocky od green plastic cladding with a full length ARCA rail down the bottom. That's not even mentioning the fact that a basic Axis will only come with a standard sporter profile non threaded barrel. Yeah, it's more or less an accurized Axis, but it's still dirt cheap for a ready built chassis rifle.
I'm not a vortex guy but that's not so bad then. I'm just a Tikka simp.
Savage is known for having extraction issues. I assume you aren't having that problem since you didn't mention it. Glad you're enjoying the gun. I've been scared off them as well as remington 700s.
(not the anon) I have had feeding issues with my savage axis II as well as light primer strikes
I had a model 10 and it was the only gun I ever sold because it was such a piece of shit. feeding, ejecting, extracting, it all fucking blew. don't let any retard tell you all plastic stocks are the same because their are far better available than what Savage and Ruger put on their guns.
Sounds like a poorfag, no shoots problem
>Sounds like a poorfag
Says the chud getting a bolt action instead of an autoloader.
>no shoots problem
Says the chud afraid of .308 and non-existent 6.5 sneed recoil.
Different anon. Multiple people think you're a fag. Sad, many such cases!
I saw a Enfield No.4 mk1 Sporter in 6/10 condition with some light surface pitting on the barrel and receiver. The gunshop owner offered it for $300. Pic is somewhat related to the configuration with the barrel with bayonet lug and the stock is the same but the one at the shop was darker and had a checkered handgrip and handguard. The action still feels smooth but I forgot to check the barrel crown and the grooves within. Is he asking too much? -Minnesota anon
best i can do is tree fiddy
Well if the barrel has not been chopped you can restore the rifle just make sure you have a somewhat understanding of fitting a forend. Lee Enfield forend need to be fitted correctly if you want to get the best accuracy out of your gun.Price wise is meh I would try to ask to negotiate it a down but if you want a Enfield go ahead.
-Another MN anon who is restoring a Enfield
Want an enfield no4mk1? - another MN anon
Wait hold on I thought Winchester guns were made in Turkey, are they good now?
they're made in japan
The Model 70 and XPR are made in Portugal at the browning plant there, the lever guns are made by miroku.
Literally any modern day rifle will shoot straight within regular hunting ranges.
Get a boomstick you like and don't cheap out on the scope.
How are Howa's?
I love my mark ii but the goddamn trigger guard broke in my safe. When I took it out for shooting a few days ago the trigger guard was just gone. I have a very small safe
Forgot pic
Oh that's annoying anon
Buy a metal one
Mauser model 98 is peak bolt action.
Anything based on this design by a reliable manufacturer is optimal.
Is it worth getting a new production M98 Expert? I really want one in 9.3x62, but I really don't want to give the garden gnomes at L&O north of €10k for one.
There are several german companies offering reworked old mauser systems. Frankonia also offers reworked zastava systems. And L&O aren't the only ones who make new mauser systems. FZH and Prechtl make new systems, various companies use them, the most prestigious one probably Waffen Velser. You'll still be down 10k+ for a new system though.
I want a new one, but the max I'd want to spend is like €3,5k-4k. For that amount of money I expect a proper CRF 98 system, nice wood, half MOA accuracy and some beautiful bluing and at least hand-checkering.
Any company not willing to offer that is run by disingenuous garden gnomes.
Rule of thumb: If one company offers it at high price, they might be garden gnomeing you. If everyone offers it at high price, that's just what it costs.
What's the gucciest 98 pattern rifle I can buy for that amount? I want a new one because I am very autistic about rifles and they are special to me. I want to give the rifle character by deflowering it and making it mine. Like you would a cute 14 year old virgin (if you catch my drift).
I have no idea what custom new mauser rifles actually cost and the makers don't necessarily show on their websites. You know how it is with luxury, if you have to ask you can't afford it. If you're serious about it and want to spend ~15k€ ask Velser and Prechtl.
$20k usd starttine from ralf martini.
https://martinigunmakers.com/pricing/
Pretty stupid
>AAA walnut
>impeccible machining
>world renowed
>1% clientele who don't give a fuck about the price
>pleb anon comes along and bitches about the price
Looks like you'd better stick to salvage rifles then.
>dude has his shitty 2 year apprentices do all the work these days
You can get scammed if you want.
I can find AAA walnut gunstock blanks for $500, custom Mauser-inspired actions with impeccable machining for $1,600, and high quality custom barrels for $1,000. Is the remaining $17,000 the price of machining the stock and doing some inlay or do they give you a handjob when you show up on site for the fitting?
Sources? Lets see some proof.
https://www.cookwoods.com/products/claro-walnut-w146767
https://americanrifle.odoo.com/shop/mausingfield-bolt-action-2
https://www.bartleinbarrels.com/shop-barrels
https://timneytriggers.com/remington/
If "Mausingfield" is Mauser enough for you, it's pretty straightforward. Honestly just choose a barrel manufacturer that makes what you want. That particular action is compatible with savage prefits. Most of the popular ones are like $500 for steel or $1000 for carbon fiber. Didn't factor in the cost of a trigger, but I'm pretty sure one of the infinite number of Remington 700 aftermarket triggers will be enough and feel better than whatever a custom maker can pull off with an excessive amount of hand polishing.
If a guy can throw around a pile of cash on a whim for a nice rifle, why would he hobble together one?
Oh, and for the manufacturing of the stock, most custom fitters will charge you $2-5k to fit the action to the stock and fit the stock to you, though I usually see that more for shotguns than rifles. Premade stocks are substantially less, with AAA walnut premades being like $500-$1000 including wood.
https://richardsmicrofitgunstocks.com/product/hardwood-monte-carlo-style/
Almost every 98 you buy is going to be a reworked military action or an old commercial action. The exceptions are Prechtl (Where "Mauser" buys their actions), Hartmann&Weiss and I think that's it.
>The exceptions are Prechtl (Where "Mauser" buys their actions)
Wait, what? The braindead moron apes at ((L&O)) are charging €10k+ for an action they themselves buy and thread a CNC machined dog shit nitrite (not even blued) barrel onto?
There are already millions of Mauser 98s out there, if I was you, I'd get a Kesslerin.
are the cringe moron gays at L&O actually selling a CNC machined 125 year old bolt action system with minimal to no hand-fitting for 10k?
LOL. LMAO even.
You'd be surprised how much you can get away with if you have a prestigious name behind a shitty product.
Just get an AR-10, or an AR-10 upscaled to .300winmag.
nobody wants to talk about semi autos, we are talking about bolt actions
Semiautos do everything bolt guns are useful for, but better.
we dont give a shit retard
buy an enfield.
>they're really fun to shoot.
>cheap
>nice capacity
Don't forget .303 Brit will absolutely wallop 99.99% of game and probably has the highest track record of animals and humans killed period.
How's the American or MVP?
I hate the way the recoil lug works on the ruger american. buying a rifle from mossberg just seems gay even if they're probably ok.
Benelli Lupo
Oh cool - how's the action?
So,time for shitstorm.
.308, 7,62x54 or .30-06, which would be better for taking down a boar?
7.62x54 because it rhymes with boar
All will work equally well, but .308 is probably the cheapest
What about feeding problems? I've seen people complaining that .308 may not feed well on B-A rifles that were designed with long action cartrige in mind, but later were adjusted for .308
I've never heard of any rifle having issues feeding .308. Auto or manual loading.
I'd be way more concerned with 7.62x54r and the shitty rim.
They all are the exact same.
The older calibres have more powder space and can be loaded a little bit hotter.
I have. There can be problems if the rifle was designed for a longer cartridge and only the barrel was adjusted for .308. Happens in Mauser .308 conversions apparently, though a good gunsmith could probably fix that.
>Mauser .308 conversions
Spain and Israel did it.
>Spain and Israel
It's one of the spanish rifles that had this problem apparently (read it on an old blog some years ago). The spanish systems aren't great either. For reworked mauser system, peacetime Mauser, DWM, Steyr and FN are the good stuff.
Also in Mauser-based rifles made on factories. I've seen complaints about few euro rifles
Your problem doesn't exist, but it's very easily solvable; get a real white man's caliber instead of .30brownoid.
If it's not for a practical purpose, and most shooters aren't skilled enough to notice the extra .5 MOA you can get by using a bolt action over a semi-auto with a good barrel anyway, buy something with a bunch of history behind it. Anybody buying a non-milsurp bolt action in 2020+3 is doing so for legitimate long range competition shooting, poorfag hunting, or a combination of being retarded and comfortable with "good enough."
I know 6mm ARC is a meme cartridge but I was thinking about getting a bolt action chambered in it.
I want better ballistics and wind drift than a .223 but I'm a bitch when it comes to recoil so I don't want to go up to a 6.5 Creedmore/.308
All calibres are beautiful anon. You do you.
>I'm a bitch when it comes to recoil so I don't want to go up to a 6.5 Creedmore/.308
Are you a chud?
No I just dont like recoil
I present to you the solution to all your problems:
(Provided you get a short twist like the 1:8 in the new Tikkas)
Useless when 99% of fagtory loads are 50-60gr. You think he reloads?
He should if he has any sense, 77gr bullets at 3350fps are worth the effort.
Anon... he's saying he's afraid of .308 and 6.5 sneed recoil...
>(Provided you get a short twist like the 1:8 in the new Tikkas)
Oh they've sped up??
Yeah....some 11 twist tikkas (for 308/300win for example) are now 10 twist
Oh neat! About fucking time - they're stupidly accurate barrels but it's always been a tiny tiny bit sensitive to heavier projs
.300 WM has always been 10 twist. And 10 twist for .308 is irrelevant. Nobody shoots anything heavier than 190gr in .308 and it's not sensible from a ballistics stand point, either.
Wrong. I had a tikka t3x in 300wm that was an 11 twist. I sold it 3 years ago to a co-worker and that was the whole reason why i sold it.
You sure? Sakos have always been 1:10 for .300 WM and they literally use the same barrels.
Yes I'm fucking sure. This isn't my first go around in dealing with tikka rifles and chasing accuracy you pretentious cunt. Learn your history a little bit before you spout off proving your beginning stages on the dunning-kruger chart.
Its a well known fact that sako's in 300wm only came in 11 twist up until recently.
Let's twist again like they did last sumemr
I would say .243 is probably your best bet. Come home, white man. Or Grendel, you can get a howa mini action for cheap in 6.5 Grendel.
https://ammo.com/comparison/243-vs-308
Fellow eurocucks,
Assuming your country will ban semi-autos or has already banned them, what rifle setup would you want to have for the inevitable russian invasion and ensuing partizan war? Consider also that magazines over 10 rounds are banned already.
-A .308 bolt action for maximum power per bolt stroke?
-A .223 for quicker action and light ammo?
-Something else entirely?
Consider that for low cap magazines, topping it off is useful which is not possible with AICS mags. Consider also that we want the rifle to be durable and resistant against dirt and stuff, which probably rules out many hunting rifles.
I thought of a ruger american .223. Bonus with .223 AR mags, you can couple two 10 round mags for extra quick reloads. I'm not aware of mag couplers for AICS mags as most bolt actions use... but maybe it does exist? Extra bonus, you should already have an AR15 in case the invasion comes before semi autos are banned.
>Fellow eurocucks
YWNHAF (You will never have a foreskin)
You will never have a firearm, so git out. Hasguns are talking.
I already posted one of my firearms. You, on the other hand, are impotently attempting to speak to your superiours, but all you are earning is ridicule. Sad, the life of a mudblood mutt.
Then don't get a bolt action. The only reason to get one is to have a platform that can shoot full power rifle cartridges that are worth reloading and developing loads for. If you can't handle a .308 or 6.5 sneed, get one of those pozzed 6.5 grendel uppers like all the other fruity queers in /arg/.
>the only reason
Oh fuck off. I just think bolt actions are cool.
Bolt actions are cool when they are chambered in cool cartridges. Not $3.50 per round mall ninja AR recoilet cope cartridges.
Cool opinion anon.
Enfield in .303, still almost affordable,but ammo is a bitch