Kinzhals continue to drop like rocks without detonation, leading analysts to speculate that this is being caused by a design error in the missile's handling of primary and secondary safeties. Dud rate is likely well above 15%.
https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and_tech/not_defect_but_a_feature_experts_explain_why_kh_47_kinzhal_warheads_dont_explode-9224.html
https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and_tech/russia_strikes_ukraine_with_defective_kh_47_kinzhal_missiles_they_do_not_explode_photo-9216.html
China Evaluates Russia's Use of Hypersonic 'Daggers' in the Ukraine War
https://rand.org/pubs/commentary/2024/01/china-evaluates-russias-use-of-hypersonic-daggers-in.html
They are using cheap ass electronics since 2023. Thats why the new batches are failing
Cheap ass electronics doesn't do much to explain the failure of the fuze.
every manufacturer will have a certain % fail rate, the russians are expanding production and sourcing alternate parts for their missiles so it's really no surprise theirs might be even higher
iirc NATO standard 155mm have like a 1% dud rate but don't quote me on that, I'm sure someone with more knowledge can chime in. The North Koreans had like 20% on their 122mm GRAD's when they shelled that south korean island some years ago.
The relevant question here is whether these are coming off the line as duds or whether damage during flight is enough to cause failure to detonate.
I assume you're hinting at sabotage? They don't really make that many of them and most of them still go boom when they hit something so I would sooner say something failed because of bog standard reasons like low quality components and poor quality control.
No, he's hinting at the QA budget going into the factory owners' new datcha.
Neither, I'm referring to the article's suggestion that an inherited design pattern is leaving the missile susceptible to fatal damage in flight. The dud rate from the factory is hard to gauge because such a high proportion of them are being intercepted.
I see, that makes sense I guess.
so is this just the new normal now?
i remember when the first kinzhal was shot down the threads were literally unusable, chock full of vatBlack folk denying that the cone thing was in fact a kinzhal. does they just accept it now?
Everyone knows the Kinzhal uses biometrics prior to detonation to prevent ethnic Russian casualties. HATO would never understand such compassion.
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Hey, at least one person actually read it.
The article cites the Tochka-U when discussing design flaws. The Tochka-U is still in service with Ukraine. Your prediction was false before the thread began.
Not that anon but as the article explains it's not a design flaw, this is necessary to ensure it has bunker busting capabilities. Almost all such weapons are designed in this manner, and there's little you can do to avoid and interceptor fricking the detonation mechanism
It's a flaw if it consistently leads to failure under normal operating conditions.
Getting smacked by PAC-3 is not "normal operating conditions" anon, that's called being intercepted
I don't disagree.
The overly long set screws are a cost reduction measure. Not a functional issue but not having a couple of boxes of set screws of the right length is hilarious.
Haven’t read the thread but I have a prediction: /k/ will meme on and belittle Russian missiles while not even ONCE mentioning Ukranian missiles. Let’s see if I’m right.
What other Ukrainian domestic missiles are there besides Neptune? So far Neptune has been pretty okay.
Are we counting "suicide drones" as missiles? Because their cheap ass prop driven stuff has been fairly effective.
He probably means guided missiles rather than LMs. There are only around 10 projects worth mentioning and with enough public documentation to discuss. If I make a post like that, it will be all of them in a roundup. I will have to do a lot of translation - almost all sources will be in ukrainian or russian.
>Ukranian missiles
Storm Shrugu
I will be the first to admit that the lack of Ukrainian missiles landing in Russia and killing Russians is disturbing.
Perhaps we should send them some more SS missiles, those seemed to work pretty well in Crimea.
Yes, it's a goddamn shame Ukraine isn't razing every russian settlement larger than 50 people to the ground.
Ukraine didn't, doesn't and likely will not claim to be the 2nd strongest military on the planet.
I'll mention Ukrainian missiles once they rain down on Moscow
And I'll laugh at every dead zigger
>Kinzhals continue to drop like rocks without detonation, leading analysts to speculate that this is being caused by a design error
it's a mystery
(picture is not from kinzhal, but some other russian rocket)
Glide bomb.
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/60480358
wait a second i recognise this component
i almost bought it recently, but then bought a pack of 3 for the same price.
https://aliexpress.com/item/1005005648819468.html?
>0,91€
couldnt find it any cheaper lol
It's kind of crazy how cheap modern components and circuit board manufacturing have made these things.
Old electronic devices used to run on horribly inefficient linear power supplies (effectively turning excess volt-amps into heat to get a stable 5 V or something) because stuff like that was too expensive to put on the board.
If that is mil-spec, Santa is real, too 🙂
>mil-spec
Literally means the cheapest possible shit while technically meeting criteria.
Is that after it's failed to detonate or before they put it in the rocket? Please forgive me, I don't know much about rockets but I have a clear understanding of Russian incompetence and their poor standards.
after it fell down in an empty field and failed to detonate, but it was not much better before
There is no way in hell that passes any EMC tests
nothing a small bribe can not fix
>leading analysts to speculate that this is being caused by a design error in the missile's handling of primary and secondary safeties. Dud rate is likely well above 15%.
Maybe the analysts should shut the frick up instead of giving intel to Russia.
The juxtaposition of that classic wire harness style seen in Soviet aerospace electronics and those cheapest possible AliExpress voltage regulators is just muah.
>Maybe the analysts should shut the frick up instead of giving intel to Russia.
You think the Russians don't have satellite photography to conduct BDA with?
No.
those are sleeper missles, they explode once hohol nazis let their guard down. the big smart nato just got outsmarted once again
Are hypersonics overrated? I kinda
understand why Russia/Iran have pursued them, giving the fact Western AA have shown to kill Russian cruise missiles at a high 90% rate, but you really can't say the same for Russian AA against Western cruise missiles. Why invest billions in a hypersonic program when current and future cruise missiles come with less risk snd are far cheaper to produce
Platypus?
PERRY THE PLATYPUS!?!
i chuckled
Underrated post.
A new but very cursory itemization of Kinzhal's contents: https://archive.md/I7ZAv
9B918 active radar seeker
what is the point of using these missiles
i think they are made for high value targets in heavily defended areas with lots of advanced AA
they are just flinging them at apartments
seems like a waste
these are high value apartments in heavily defended areas
Why is Ukraine doing Russia's work for them?
Why are they releasing the effectiveness of enemy systems so they can actually resolve the issues at hand? Why would they do that.
Wake up, get your day going. Don't come into my establishment first thing, disrespect the place, looking sloppy with your bedhead and crusty makeup. It's bad for business.
Clean yourself up first. THEN you can clock in.
You understand they have this shit in their inventory and can look at them at will right?
If would check this shit regularly if they wanted to. And if they wanted to, they would be diligent. And if they were diligent, they wouldn't be vatBlack folk/nork slave meat.
Slave races cannot into 21st century warfare, I'm sorry but you're going into the fricking cube.
I don't make the rules, I just gleefully laugh as I denote them.
>Nork missiles are better than Russian missiles
actually implessive!