Missiles in Ukraine: Kinzhal

Kinzhals continue to drop like rocks without detonation, leading analysts to speculate that this is being caused by a design error in the missile's handling of primary and secondary safeties. Dud rate is likely well above 15%.

https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and_tech/not_defect_but_a_feature_experts_explain_why_kh_47_kinzhal_warheads_dont_explode-9224.html

https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and_tech/russia_strikes_ukraine_with_defective_kh_47_kinzhal_missiles_they_do_not_explode_photo-9216.html

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    China Evaluates Russia's Use of Hypersonic 'Daggers' in the Ukraine War

    https://rand.org/pubs/commentary/2024/01/china-evaluates-russias-use-of-hypersonic-daggers-in.html

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous
      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous
  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They are using cheap ass electronics since 2023. Thats why the new batches are failing

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Cheap ass electronics doesn't do much to explain the failure of the fuze.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        every manufacturer will have a certain % fail rate, the russians are expanding production and sourcing alternate parts for their missiles so it's really no surprise theirs might be even higher

        iirc NATO standard 155mm have like a 1% dud rate but don't quote me on that, I'm sure someone with more knowledge can chime in. The North Koreans had like 20% on their 122mm GRAD's when they shelled that south korean island some years ago.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The relevant question here is whether these are coming off the line as duds or whether damage during flight is enough to cause failure to detonate.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I assume you're hinting at sabotage? They don't really make that many of them and most of them still go boom when they hit something so I would sooner say something failed because of bog standard reasons like low quality components and poor quality control.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              No, he's hinting at the QA budget going into the factory owners' new datcha.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              No, he's hinting at the QA budget going into the factory owners' new datcha.

              Neither, I'm referring to the article's suggestion that an inherited design pattern is leaving the missile susceptible to fatal damage in flight. The dud rate from the factory is hard to gauge because such a high proportion of them are being intercepted.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I see, that makes sense I guess.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    so is this just the new normal now?
    i remember when the first kinzhal was shot down the threads were literally unusable, chock full of vatBlack folk denying that the cone thing was in fact a kinzhal. does they just accept it now?

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Everyone knows the Kinzhal uses biometrics prior to detonation to prevent ethnic Russian casualties. HATO would never understand such compassion.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    presented without comments

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/Vn9GqqT.jpg

      Hey, at least one person actually read it.

      Haven’t read the thread but I have a prediction: /k/ will meme on and belittle Russian missiles while not even ONCE mentioning Ukranian missiles. Let’s see if I’m right.

      The article cites the Tochka-U when discussing design flaws. The Tochka-U is still in service with Ukraine. Your prediction was false before the thread began.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Not that anon but as the article explains it's not a design flaw, this is necessary to ensure it has bunker busting capabilities. Almost all such weapons are designed in this manner, and there's little you can do to avoid and interceptor fricking the detonation mechanism

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It's a flaw if it consistently leads to failure under normal operating conditions.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Getting smacked by PAC-3 is not "normal operating conditions" anon, that's called being intercepted

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I don't disagree.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The overly long set screws are a cost reduction measure. Not a functional issue but not having a couple of boxes of set screws of the right length is hilarious.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Haven’t read the thread but I have a prediction: /k/ will meme on and belittle Russian missiles while not even ONCE mentioning Ukranian missiles. Let’s see if I’m right.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      What other Ukrainian domestic missiles are there besides Neptune? So far Neptune has been pretty okay.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Are we counting "suicide drones" as missiles? Because their cheap ass prop driven stuff has been fairly effective.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          He probably means guided missiles rather than LMs. There are only around 10 projects worth mentioning and with enough public documentation to discuss. If I make a post like that, it will be all of them in a roundup. I will have to do a lot of translation - almost all sources will be in ukrainian or russian.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Ukranian missiles

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Storm Shrugu

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I will be the first to admit that the lack of Ukrainian missiles landing in Russia and killing Russians is disturbing.
      Perhaps we should send them some more SS missiles, those seemed to work pretty well in Crimea.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, it's a goddamn shame Ukraine isn't razing every russian settlement larger than 50 people to the ground.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Ukraine didn't, doesn't and likely will not claim to be the 2nd strongest military on the planet.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I'll mention Ukrainian missiles once they rain down on Moscow
      And I'll laugh at every dead zigger

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Kinzhals continue to drop like rocks without detonation, leading analysts to speculate that this is being caused by a design error

    it's a mystery

    (picture is not from kinzhal, but some other russian rocket)

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Glide bomb.
      https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/60480358

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      wait a second i recognise this component

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        i almost bought it recently, but then bought a pack of 3 for the same price.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          https://aliexpress.com/item/1005005648819468.html?
          >0,91€
          couldnt find it any cheaper lol

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It's kind of crazy how cheap modern components and circuit board manufacturing have made these things.
            Old electronic devices used to run on horribly inefficient linear power supplies (effectively turning excess volt-amps into heat to get a stable 5 V or something) because stuff like that was too expensive to put on the board.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If that is mil-spec, Santa is real, too 🙂

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >mil-spec
        Literally means the cheapest possible shit while technically meeting criteria.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Is that after it's failed to detonate or before they put it in the rocket? Please forgive me, I don't know much about rockets but I have a clear understanding of Russian incompetence and their poor standards.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        after it fell down in an empty field and failed to detonate, but it was not much better before

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      There is no way in hell that passes any EMC tests

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        nothing a small bribe can not fix

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >leading analysts to speculate that this is being caused by a design error in the missile's handling of primary and secondary safeties. Dud rate is likely well above 15%.
      Maybe the analysts should shut the frick up instead of giving intel to Russia.

      The juxtaposition of that classic wire harness style seen in Soviet aerospace electronics and those cheapest possible AliExpress voltage regulators is just muah.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Maybe the analysts should shut the frick up instead of giving intel to Russia.

        You think the Russians don't have satellite photography to conduct BDA with?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          No.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    those are sleeper missles, they explode once hohol nazis let their guard down. the big smart nato just got outsmarted once again

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Are hypersonics overrated? I kinda
    understand why Russia/Iran have pursued them, giving the fact Western AA have shown to kill Russian cruise missiles at a high 90% rate, but you really can't say the same for Russian AA against Western cruise missiles. Why invest billions in a hypersonic program when current and future cruise missiles come with less risk snd are far cheaper to produce

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Platypus?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      PERRY THE PLATYPUS!?!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/Ae1IxEH.jpg

      PERRY THE PLATYPUS!?!

      i chuckled

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/Ae1IxEH.jpg

      PERRY THE PLATYPUS!?!

      Underrated post.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    A new but very cursory itemization of Kinzhal's contents: https://archive.md/I7ZAv

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      9B918 active radar seeker

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      what is the point of using these missiles
      i think they are made for high value targets in heavily defended areas with lots of advanced AA
      they are just flinging them at apartments
      seems like a waste

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        these are high value apartments in heavily defended areas

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why is Ukraine doing Russia's work for them?
    Why are they releasing the effectiveness of enemy systems so they can actually resolve the issues at hand? Why would they do that.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Wake up, get your day going. Don't come into my establishment first thing, disrespect the place, looking sloppy with your bedhead and crusty makeup. It's bad for business.

      Clean yourself up first. THEN you can clock in.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You understand they have this shit in their inventory and can look at them at will right?
      If would check this shit regularly if they wanted to. And if they wanted to, they would be diligent. And if they were diligent, they wouldn't be vatBlack folk/nork slave meat.

      Slave races cannot into 21st century warfare, I'm sorry but you're going into the fricking cube.
      I don't make the rules, I just gleefully laugh as I denote them.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Nork missiles are better than Russian missiles
    actually implessive!

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