Please explain:
Frag, risk of friendly fire, unit level deployment.
Armour and hardened positions, useless, not useful, more useful than it has any right to be, effective?
As a mass causality weapon how do your deploy it in an ambush formation? Do grenadiers reload it or just foot six and switch to small arms?
Is the 40mm buckshot round a meme? Is it designed for shooting at noises in the jungle? Novel rounds? How effective is WP in 40mm platforms?
China Lake larpers need not apply
anon its a grenade launcher of course its effective
>Is the 40mm buckshot round a meme?
All buckshot is a meme compared to a rifle. But 40mm is especially a meme.
>compared to a rifle
Not when it comes to one-shot effectiveness within 50yd
You have no source for this. It's all in your head.
Okay man great argument
When you make a claim you have to back it up. All the data I've seen suggests there is no statistical difference between rifles and shotguns when it comes to one-shot stops. If you want to claim otherwise you need data.
Picrel is from Tier Three Tactical's analysis of 1800 real-world shootings. It pretty much agrees with the data from the well-known book "Street Stoppers". If you believe otherwise, let's see why.
>Street Stoppers
lmao
Got better sources? Let's see them. I don't have a dog in this fight, I'm just tired of people spouting fuddlore.
Oh nice, it's that graph some anon admitted to making up like 5yr ago
Cool, got something better? Let's see it.
Does your graph include suicides? Can you tell us how the data points were obtained?
No, and yes, anon gave the source.
Now stop dodging the question and answer it.
>include suicides
My dude even when they don't all these tard-studies are 99% pigs playing grab ass, they have no real relevance to blowing away some homosexual in your house. You will not be rendering assistance, you do not care about "stops" except strictly for performative reasons. More holes, more blood.
One-shot stop is also a way of arguing around the fact that an AR-15 has no recoil and you can fire two shots in a split second and still have 28 to go while shotguns have about 3 to 5 rounds and more recoil.
Like they're deliberately phrasing the question to give shotguns an advantage that doesn't exist irl, and they still fail to come out ahead.
If you shoot a Black person 18 times with a rifle to make damn sure he dies on the way to hospital, there are going to be questions asked. With a shotgun you get a dead Black person with no questions about all the holes.
"Stops" are for gays, you want that Black person dead not in court.
larperators literally cannot understand this and it's funnier than their sisters being giga bawds
Don't get me wrong I'm sure a V-Max will get the job done but when it comes to taking big chunks out of things that bleed at very short ranges I'll stick with my 1 1/2oz. soft lead SSG loads.
>Armour and hardened positions, useless, not useful, more useful than it has any right to be, effective?
Very useful& effective
>As a mass causality weapon how do your deploy it in an ambush formation? Do grenadiers reload it or just foot six and switch to small arms?
Yes.
>Is the 40mm buckshot round a meme?
Yes. Shoulder-fired 40mm's are limited to very low chamber pressures. It could yeet a single ounce of buckshot very well like a shotgun, but there are several ounces of buckshot in a 40mm, and simply not enough pressure to effectivley launch it beyond a few yards with any terminal effectiveness
>It could yeet a single ounce of buckshot very well like a shotgun
That's what it tries to do. As you said if it were actually full of buckshot that would be several ounces and thus it would either have lethal recoil or pitiful muzzle velocity if it were actually shootable. So 40mm buckshot cartridges contain about as much shot as a 12ga shell does. But they're worse than a 12ga: the 12ga has a properly fitted and longer barrel. The 40mm buckshot load doesn't fit properly in the barrel so it depends on a sabot, and the barrel is a lot shorter. So you end up with really big, heavy, clunky gun that has terribly low capacity and worse performance compared to a regular combat shotty.
Grenades are where it's at.
1. same as other 40x46mm weapons
2. Depends, but generally not going to be super effective. HE will frick up a truck/building and HEDP is not bad against light armor and fortifications.
It is reloaded, I only used one in training but I think your m4 is carried as a pdw when you get a mgl. Outside of ambushes it is also effective defensively.
Yes, you are better off with a benelli or mossberg. It is harder to reload and about the same effectiveness as 12ga. Smoke is effective for screening, signaling, and marking so
It probably is effective under ideal conditions with wind or enclosed spaces
can you repeat the question?
>Please explain:
>Frag, risk of friendly fire, unit level deployment.
>Armour and hardened positions, useless, not useful, more useful than it has any right to be, effective?
>As a mass causality weapon how do your deploy it in an ambush formation? Do grenadiers reload it or just foot six and switch to small arms?
>Is the 40mm buckshot round a meme? Is it designed for shooting at noises in the jungle? Novel rounds? How effective is WP in 40mm platforms?
>it turns into yet another thread where someone used the terms "buckshot" and "effective" in the same sentence so npcs have to execute routine about shotguns vs ARs for home defense
Tiresome but predictable.
The 40mm buckshot rounds were a cope for the fact that M79 grenadiers weren't carrying an M16 in addition to their launcher. So SOP was on patrol you'd carry the M79 with a buckshot round loaded in case you took bad breath-range contact, then you'd switch to HE.
The round itself sounds pretty nasty: 20 pellets in a sabot traveling at ~900fps. Supposed effective range was 100 feet.
In practice this seems like it wasn't super common to deploy, and as soon as the M203 was in service it seems like they totally stopped using the M576. And today grenadiers carry a rifle in addition to their launcher which again renders this specific antipersonnel round kind of a moot point. However cops still routinely deploy rubber buckshot out of 37mm and 40mm launchers for riot control and those seem pretty frickin effective and nasty.
>shotguns vs ARs for home defense
Wrong& wrong. Handgun with a light is optimal
No. Handgun with lights are not optimal. Have you watched any sort of cop bodycam? Handgun rounds are very bad at killing people. If you actually had to defend your life in a kill or be killed situation, the worse case scenario for home defense, you should have a rifle or shotgun.
I watch a ton of cop bodycam videos and the crims almost always die
You're both wrong. Subgun is the optimal home defense weapon, but they're only barely legal and stupidly expensive, so we have to settle for less-effective options of overly-long shotty, overly-long overly-powerful rifle, or under-powered and under-capacity handguns.
Subgun is terrible for HD. Worse terminal effectiveness than rifles like 556 but increased risk for overpen. Nevermind the fact that most morons can't keep rounds on target.
>Worse terminal effectiveness than rifles like 556 but increased risk for overpen.
Not true with holopoints.
>but don't you know that criminals wear body armor
>don't you know that there's a huge increase of groups of organized criminals attacking individuals
>no i won't back up these claims frick you
They don't expand in drywall dumbass.
straight on? most likely no
at every other angle? are you sure?
>are you sure
That's not how it works. It's like "is the gun loaded", in this scenario you are the one who has to be sure because you're looking down the barrel, I just have to be reasonably confident because my argument is pointed in a safe direction.
>Short
>Super quiet when suppressed
>Moar dakka = higher hit probability
Try living in a real house made from brick/stone/concrete and not a paper mache McMansion
That was more or less my understanding, that the buckshot was like a bayonet, it existed so that the operator was nominally armed.
That's very useful information, thank you Fren.
I've hear that in an L shaped ambush it's deployed with the long side, like you said mostly for concussive effect. Which is interesting given an RPG is probably deployed on the short stop of the ambush along with LMG/MG
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The buckshot round is a meme. Frag and HE are not. I mean shit even if you have to shoot someone too close for the grenade to actually detonate it’s gonna be a bad fricking day for them.
>Frag
Weaksauce with LV (low velocity) rounds. Slightly better with MV (medium velocity) rounds. The blast would be more debilitating than the frag. The US-made M32 can shoot MV. The South African one can probably also do it. The Turkish clones is an unknown.
>risk of friendly fire
Not very high. The rounds have an arming distance set by a counter in the head unlocked by the acceleration, after a certain amount of rotations, the round is armed. Per the above, the lethal radius is small, so your chances of friendly fire are very low unless you did something really wrong.
>unit level deployment
Depends
>Armour and hardened positions, useless, not useful, more useful than it has any right to be, effective?
They're suprisingly accurate. You can shoot through window at 300 yards reasonably well. If you're harassed by a machine gun nest, a shot in their hole would probably be effective at stopping them for a little bit.
>As a mass causality weapon how do your deploy it in an ambush formation? Do grenadiers reload it or just foot six and switch to small arms?
Depends if you have the Wilcox speedloader. That being said, you can easily reload all six shots within 10 seconds from a box of 40mm, or if you laid out the rounds in front of you. Don't forget to rewind the cylinder first.
>Is the 40mm buckshot round a meme? Is it designed for shooting at noises in the jungle? Gay
That's not a Milkor but I'm not sure what it actually is. Maybe some kind of tear gas launcher dressed up as a prop gun.