>A submersible craft used to take people to see the wreck of the Titanic has gone missing in the Atlantic Ocean with its crew on board, sparking a major search and rescue operation.
>Tour firm OceanGate, which runs $250,000-a-seat expeditions to the wreck, said it was exploring all options to get the crew back safely.
>It said government agencies and deep sea firms were helping the operation.
>The Titanic sank in 1912 and lies some 3,800m (12,500ft) beneath the waves.
>The missing craft is believed to be OceanGate's Titan submersible, a truck-sized vessel that weighs 10,432 kg (23,000 lbs) and can reach depths of up to 4,000m and has 96 hours of life support available for a crew of five
Is there any military rescue sub that can go that deep? What about a nuke sub going down and bringing it back up. Plus, it's right by the New London sub base in Connecticut
Pic of the inside
Imagine the smell
>a submersible sent to explore an infamous sunken shipwreck has now potentially become one itself
kek
although i geuss in this case its more of a boatwreck
It was also named Titan lmao.
How much do you want to bet the power died?
>How much do you want to bet the power died?
if it was properly designed, power failure should have automatically triggered the ballasts to take them back to the surface
That would imply intelligent design of a vehicle intended for silly tourism. You're quite right but they also insisted on plastic (composite) rather than thicc reliable steel to cut costs. I expect their toy sub found out what crush depth means...
Just compare the sub to something like a triton. It looks like a backyard job and not like professional equipment
So I guess they got under 96 hours, the wise move would be to consult immediately with people who lead search and rescue operations at sea, so they can review which craft are available and which would be idea for the mission. I'd reckon that's what they are doing already. If private crafts can go this far, then it does not seem beyond reach to rescue them. Would be expensive, much like the quarter million dollar tickets to ride, and the ensuing lawsuits.
>so they can review which craft are available and which would be ideal* for the mission
if everyone held their breath until they couldn't anymore then breathed again, rinse and repeat, would they last longer down there?
That is not how it works moron
it kind of does since slowing your heart rate decreases your oxygen use
your heart rate increases when holding your breath, moron
why not? if 5 people take X amount of breathes each hour, but take Y amount of breathes if they hold their breath as long as they can and Y < X then it should save oxygen
Anon, you will breathe heavier, but also you're still expelling roughly the same amount of CO2 regardless of how often you breathe.
Lowering your heart rate by lowering you breathing does work for that though but because it lowers your metabolism.
The only way to breathe less is to be perfectly calm. Holding air won't make you save any oxygen in the long run since what you hold for 5 minutes youll make up with in the next 10.
>5 people
>but if we kill you, we may live
I vote kill him.
this thing is deployed from a ship would be my guess?
so how do you loose it when the mother ship is likely parked directly above the wreck and its a straight shot down?
yes?
>loose
Ocean currents, you tard. If this little sub lost power it's drifting miles a minute.
Holy shit imagine being stuck in there in pitch black hearing its scrape along the sea floor knowing you're getting farther away from the rescue zone. No thanks.
youd still be able to predict its location based on those currents
You might be able to predict it within 100 square miles. Maybe. Ocean currents aren't predictable. The search area grows minute by minute as you search it. Then you would need to scan that entire area before launching any sort of rescue. There simply isn't enough time.
Best realistic scenario for them tbh.
Look up how long it took to find the titanic…. Now think about how long it would take to find something truck sized…
from the description it seems they went suddenly silent with the beacon dead too. Seems like a implosion case from superficial indicators
aren't implosions loud and distinct? they should be able to detect an implosion
The pressure vessel is small, this isn’t an SSBN that’s imploding. It’s probably not any bigger inside than a smart car.
they'd probably live longest if they all just went to sleep.
Holding your breath isn't going to drastically change the rate at which your body produces CO2 or the rate t which gasses exchange in your lungs. Taking steady deep breaths to calm down and lower your heart rate might help by lowering your metabolism a bit, but the overall effect will still be trivial.
the best way would be to habe a thunder dome scenario where the based sub operator kills the rich people to live longer till rescue
The ensueing fight would waste too much energy. He should try to poison them instead.
Where is Steven Seagal when we need him?
looking for playboy bunnies
unironically in russia shilling for the vatniks these days
wish I was joking
Imagine him shuffling thru the ocean looking for this thing.
there are already many whales in the ocean, they dont need that one too.
The general Navy sub won't dive anywhere near that deep.
If these guys are underwater, they're dead men. Best they could hope for would be some sort of breech and a quick death. Otherwise they're going to eventually just suffocate.
Forget rescue. They will probably never even find this little tube down that deep, currents being what they are.
I can't believe they weren't teathered.
likely not, the deepest diving DSRVs can only operate to around 6000'. Additionally, that submersible doesn't have a docking adapter to be able to evacuate the crew, meaning that it would have to surface to be recovered. The only real hope is flying over a deep sea salvage unamed DSV, likely from the US Navys SUPSALV program which can operate at the depths of the titanic wreck. Sadly, these operations take weeks to mobilize and by the time they manage to locate and resurface the submersible it'll have been weeks. More than likely the people trapped inside are living out their final moments, if they havent been killed already.
>Additionally, that submersible doesn't have a docking adapter to be able to evacuate the crew,
I'm sure the Navy can find experts in docking under expedient conditions, like the engine room on a late shift.
The only way in or out of the sub is a hatch that swings outward. It is physically impossible to save them.
>place a water tight compartment over the hatch that connects directly to rescue sub
>drain all the water, replace with air at 1atm
>hatch magically opens
Not that hard
The hardware must match, idiot. That requires coordinated design, idiot, not a dollar store shitbox.
I'm glad those rich morons died because they chose to be unprofessional filth.
I fricking hate this moron's awful audio EQing; you just know he's got some homosexual woman voice so to cover it up he goes and boosts the bass 30db and puts it in near earrape territory. maybe this dumb c**t has a terrible audio system and literally can't hear how shit his audio is, either way frick him. have to use a caption scraper program and read the shitty autogenerated subs for it to be tolerable and of course the video has next to 0 actual video content so there's no point in watching it at all then.
he's by far not the only channel doing this, why are there SO MANY morons bass boosting their narration? we all know you don't sound like that, I'd literally make less fun of their gay voices if they didn't cover it up. and they all talk so slow too, 1.5x or even 2x speed is almost more intelligible without them slurring like drunks. frick audio narration videos, go make a shitty audiobook and get $80 for the total sales damn homosexuals. gays.
This is going to be such a kino movie when it comes out. Do you think they're all fighting over who's responsible for this frick up?
They'll probably never know because they'll probably never find it.
Horrifying. No way out even if you wanted to open it up and just end it. Thing is bolted from the outside. It depends how deep it got if it's on the sea floor or not. There's a good chance it's suspended and just drifting silently, hence why it will be impossible to find.
Alvin was built with an escape pod separation for events like these. Manually pop the crew compartment off and float up to the surface where an EPIRB starts chirping.
>Horrifying.
not really in the sense its super painful. With suffocating all that means is everything smells like shit as time goes on and you eventually pass out. The final death will come only after that. Sitting in the dark and cold as you quietly drift in the ocean floor is stress inducing sure
96 hours of pure dread. That's as horrifying as it gets in a situation like this.
No.
Lmao idiots will just type anything now
yeah as we can see from your braindead post
>Do you think they're all fighting over who's responsible for this frick up?
i'd be more worried about the bathroom situation
>rolling around in the pitch black as piss and shit sloshes all over you and you know you're a dead man and it's just a matter of when, and you will have no idea when it will finally end
Grim
>guy named STOCKTON RUSH
>piloted by a fricking XBOX CONTROLLER
>TOUCHSCREEN COMPUTERS
>NO MANUAL CONTROLS
Four (4) BIG red flags
yeah but a shitty movie from the 90s was about the place that the get to go to
>a fricking Logitech controller
>couple cheapie monitors
>bottom is just covered in some rubber matting
I can't imagine willingly getting in this to go to 13000ft. Let alone paying a quarter mil. The window is like 4" wide? What the frick would you even expect to see?
They aren't paying for the view, they are paying for tve bragging rights of having been down there.
Now they definitely get to brag of having been the 5 latest guests to the Titanic's eternal ballroom night
The miasma that movie caused is crazy
I'm proud to say I have never watched Titanic. I remember when it came out and all the girls in school loved it but all the boys watched the Lost in Space remake which was the only action movie released around the same time
It's unironically a decent movie. The last hour seeing all those flags drowning is cool.
>leonardo dicaprio
>no rhodesian accent
no
>walk out of the house with my Hawaiian shirt and khaki shorts
>down a little vodka to help me forget about Angola
>head into Jared Galleria of israeliteelry and walk up to front desk
>light up a cigarette
>"I'm lookin for Commander Zero, huh. I've got business with Commander Zero bru.
>"W-what"
>"Oh American, huh?
>"Sir if you don't put out your cigarette I'm going to have to ask you to leave"
>"So don't tell me you're here to make a difference, huh? You come here with your laptop computers, your malaria medicine and your little bottles of hand sanitizer and think you can change the outcome, huh?"
>"Sir I'm calling the police."
>"Then you get one more dead body huh instead of aeroplane way full with grenade launchers. So I'm think I'm gonna go to dem govment, huh? Dem govment, at least dem go pay me, huh?"
>security guards come to escort me out
>pull out my glock
>everyone backs up
>some kafir screams
>unload the gun and hand it to the manager
>"Alright bru so you're the man, huh."
>walk out with my hands up as everyone looks at me confused
>yell 'TIA This Is Africa' as I leave
Lost in Space had Matt LeBlanc in meme battle armor, but Titanic had prime Kate Winsletbreasts. Hard choices must be made.
Captcha also suggesting sub shenanigans?
Lost in Space also had a teenage girl in a form-fitting space suit.
To be fair, it is one of the greatest movies ever made.
why would you be proud not to watch or read something
unless you're a hipster or something
You do realize that hipsters didn't even exist in 1997, right?
"Hip" and variations thereof go many decades further back, but noobs imagine history begins with them. Hipster and hep cat date to the 1940s. Posers all.
Some say that hep cat comes from Wolof where it means something like "wise guy." so it might be as old as the transatlantic slave trade.
Hipsters appeared shortly after grunge, by the early 90s there were definitely people you'd call hipsters (modern definition not the 40s one) all over the west coast.
This, it really has something for everyone, not to mention superb special effects.
Titanic was a big hit because it appealed to boys and girls. The girls because most of the movie is a romance chick-flick until the ship hits the iceberg and then it's a carnival of destruction from there on out as the senior crew members start offing themselves or getting sucked into whirlpools. It's a pretty good movie.
Why is it so poor when a trip costs 250k per person or something? If it's for richbois, can't they make it at least appear rich and extravagant with all the fancy oled curved monitors?
It's like it was a grift for the $1.25MM total from each head, or it was $1MM not counting the pilot. Go down, go up, clean one million, do it again. Maybe that was his idea.
It even looks like a movie set or something, would you really pay $250k to ride in that? Whole thing is fishy. I wonder what the insurance policy is like.
it's like going to everest
you go because it's there
Holy frick that’s so moronic. I bet the battery wasn’t charged and they were left stranded without controls
They probably just have the one controller and one of the buttons or joysticks died. Holy frick it blows my mind how dumb some rich people are. Like there is some baseline of intelligence required to be wealthy, I guess these folks were all just family of that said intelligent person.
That'll be $250,000 plus tip!
I own that controller. It's a piece of shit.
Just fricking send a drone down there with the cameras relaying everything back to the ship. They can't fricking see out of that, so they will never know!
>paying a quarter of a MILLION dollars just to end up on eternal patrol in THAT
there really is a sucker born every minute, good lord.
>a literal fricking tube
>shitty Walmart TVs
This is so fricking jank. Maybe I could understand if there was a giant acrylic window or something, but Jesus.
I like the screws driven into the hull in one of the world's deepest submarines to mount a monitor.
Yeah, I'd have the better experience watching a more advanced sub dive there on the Discovery channel with a drink, some snacks, and a flushing toilet. Maybe on the toilet. I can't imagine paying that kind of money just to say you'd been there; I'd rather go to space.
>If you absolutely had to, between buoyancy and desperation a good portion of the crew could probably swim that distance on one breath
>Too bad depth would frick them up first
Water pressure is crazy. It's not that far, but it's also so far.
>All that really neeeeeds to work is the pressure vessel...
I bet he's laughing that it took this long for someone to die. They couldn't even keep the buoys on the launch platform.
Note to self: DO NOT fricking cut corners when building one of the most complex vehicles known to man that has to survive environmental hazards that arguably exceed those of spacecraft.
You’d think this would be so obvious no one could ever stumble into this pitfall, then again we all used to think that Russia had a competent military…
>no EPIRB onboard apparently.
W-WHAT?!
>Shitty Logitech components responsible for deaths at sea
>Stick Drift has claimed lives
Someone go tell PrepHole.
(OP)
capitalism keeps creating major l's
Somewhere Lovecraft just creamed his casket. Obviously we are dealing with ancients horrors.
They're all dead.
There's no way to rescue them.
And even if there ways, it'd need to get out to them within the next 72 hours based on the last press conference the USCG put out on their oxygen reserves.
It's ogre, Titanic claims more victims from the briny ocean depths, kinda kino actually give her reputation as the most famous shipwreck in the world.
I also should have added, they will probably die sooner before their oxygen runs out from CO2 poisoning. That is if they haven't imploded.
Anon the reason it lasts for 92hours is because of scrubbers. They'll be fine till they run out.
Idk all that I've seen from the pressers from the coast guard and the company just make direct reference to O2 reservses and not CO2 absorption, so who knows? Would love to see a datasheet for the sub though, should be easy to infer off of that
Why would you design a sub with 96 hours of oxygen but only 12 hours of C02 scrubbing capability?
Limiting Factor (deepest diving manned sub in the world) similarly has a several days oxygen supply and in one of the dives they had issues with the C02 scrubbers (eventually fixed before C02 went past ~1%) and talked about how they have a backup scrubber as well if the first has problems.
That being said, Limiting Factor cost ~$40m to design and build and was actually certified to dive to unlimited depth (unlike this missing sub which isn't certified by anyone), so who knows what kind of dogshit C02 scrubbers they've got on this thing.
>Limiting Factor
weird looking thing
A FRICKING BOX
Really the "sub" is the titanium ball inside that box shell.
Most of the shell is just buoyant foam.
Looks much more impressive on the outside, no tether though like the other anon mentioned.
Jesus christ I can't even believe you morons. Yes, they took respiration into account when calculating their oxygen supply you Muppet.
>96 hours of life support available for a crew of five
or 480 hours for one guy
Nah, even if 1 guy kills the rest, he'll still die of dehydration in 3 days ... unless he goes full Dracula and drinks their blood
Blood is terrible at hydrating you as it clumps up and gives you metal poisoning to boot. You won't keep the blood liquid for that time anyway, as the corpses cool off.
I hope they ran the thing into Titanic and are stuck. No one will be able to rescue them in under 96 hours at 3800 meters. Fricking grave tourists.
Imagine killing the others to buy you time, just to be rescued within a few hours.
>bunch of people that spend more money on tourist joyrides than I can make in a decade.
Golly it sure sucks that they are gonna die
you earn... less than $25,000 a year? you know you can work full time, right?
in terms of disposable income he may be right
250,000, anon. You missed a zero
>In a decade
Examine yourself before examining others
Everyone point and laugh.
Where did you learn to count?
He said "bunch of people", 5 man crew, 2 employees, 3 tourists, so that's $750k total, or $75k/year for a decade. Outside of cities lots of people make well under $75k a year.
I'm an engineer working in a city in the firearms industry. I make 61k a year.
Do you know how many trips this idiot ran a year?
Cheer up, they’re probably all dead.
If we're spitballing ideas, does REDFOR have any subs that are silent enough and have the capability to hijack minisubs?
I'm thinking some sub commander got the order to kidnap those folks and hold them for ransom or bargaining chip
holy shit I want what you're smoking, it's clearly some good stuff
>they suffered a catastrophic failure
vs
>they were kidnapped by a stealth sub
anon... its time for your meds
Stop reading Tom Clancy and Clive Cussler books.
No one would be stupid enough to spend multi-billion dollars on a super-spy mini-sub caper when a few lowlife goons can get you the same results far, far cheaper.
They're not valuable and you're twelve. That's the worst place on the planet to kidnap anyone. How dare you be tech-illiterate on a weapons forum?
How was this submersible Pepsi can not tethered to the mother ship?
That's what I want to know. Sure it's a shitload of line. You'd probably need close to 20000ft of line. I don't have any reference to know what that even looks like.
This is why you add stuff like manually activated ballast, so if you know you're in trouble you can turn a few valves and surface without any electronics.
Cost cutting, thousands of feet of cable's going to weigh a frickload. And to hold that you're going to need to pay for a massive crane on your mothership vessel. In addition to that you're going to need real good stabilizers fitted as well to keep it in the same spot while you dangle them on the cable. Whereas with a free floating submersible you can basically just drop that shit in the water and frick around until it surfaces.
Basically the CEO cut corners and now those people are dead lmao
Just seeing the "sub" you can tell this was a budget rig. Alvin is like 50 years old and absolutely mogs this thing.
Shit Alvin was mogging everything before it found the Titanic, it located and recovered the Broken Arrow from Palomares mid air collison in 1966. Pic related, those richgays would unironically be alive if they didn't ironically cheap out on their sub.
Alvin is based. Not a computer monitor in sight and it dives the titanic.
You certainly could. It wouldn't be cheap, but it's possible. At least add some manually operated controls to surface.
I believe it's likely this tin can popped. It hardly looks sound. Alvin looks like it could tank a round from a WWII tank.
You can't tether 12,500ft dives anon. That subs is actually designed to go up if something goes wrong. If it didn't, there is no sub. It imploded. They are dead. The end.
yeah, isn't there ballast they can drop to go up? it's not like a regular submarine that has to use pumps
Why not? The mariana trench was measured with a rope in the 19th.c, and thats significantly deeper.
Tethers are heavy and have lots of drag in the water column. It’s much easier to handle a free swimming submarine when you’re going deep. The reason non-autonomous UUVs use tethers is because radio control doesn’t work.
Bet they wish they had one now even if it was heavy. The public court of opinion is going to cast OceanGate into oblivion whether or not the vessel is found.
>ocean floor
>pitch black
>running out of air
at what point do they start hallucinating that someone is banging on the window?
>you hear someone pounding on the door
It's actually your own heart beat
>rich people dying
Amen. God's rightful punishment for those who spent their money on gawking at graves instead of giving to the poor: death in a small dark coffin in the deepest abyss.
shut up you homosexual communist
Just a reminder, your misery is your own fault
In the event it lost power and hit the seabed, would that impact be enough to depressurize or split the thing open?
any kind of structural damage would probably result in implosion. Either way those people are 100% dead if they havent resurfaced already. There is no way to save them.
>96 hours
Just imagine. It means you are gonna get tired no matter what. So you're gonna go to sleep (several times) while thinking about death. You're gonna dream something...then you wake up...and whatever nightmare you had real life is even worse.
(pic unrelated)
In this situation, would you FAP? Seriously. You know you wont live just some hours. In your last hours would you jerk off?
Question is - would you butt frick the skinniest twink on board? Or if there’s a woman- do you think they all got to frick her?
>all of these people saying tether can't go that deep
the HMS Challenger has 181 MILES (291km for non-moons) but I guess 2.5 miles is just far too much to carry.
OFFICIAL VIDEO OF THE SUB GOING DOWN!!!
Cute, I wonder how hard it is to keep pet octopus
Really expensive and they tend to be escape artists, but from what I heard they can be wonderful pets. Biggest issue than is that have a very short life span.
they escape because they don't want to live in a tank and they die because they're depressed as frick and want to mingle with other octopuses
they are social creatures and very intelligent, it's a shame how people treat them
I mean, even in the wild octopus just don't really live past ~3-5 years at most.
Yea basically, its how it goes for most 'exotic' pets. I always wanted a small group of Jebora but that feels rather hubristic.
Most octopi are completely anti social creatures. The male will throw his penis at a female and promptly leave. There are a few exceptions but most want nothing to do with each other.
well like you say there's exceptions, but your tank octopus won't have any females to throw his penis at so he'll be a incelpus
very sad
that's not bad really
I don't really like owning animals or going to the zoo anymore and things like that, just feels wrong
>The male will throw his penis at a female
Argonaut octopuses do this, but it's not that common AFAIK - that's a species with pretty extreme sexual dimorphism
> they die because they're depressed as frick
i really like cephalopods but no, they aren't very social creatures. they're very curious and get bored easily, but as long as you put the work in to make their lives interesting and don't treat them like a fricking decoration they'll have richer lives than they ever would in the wild. and no, depression is not what makes their lifespans are super short.
"fun" fact: after having sex exactly once, octopuses' digestive systems shut down. this is not a wear-and-tear shut down, it's, IIRC, a gland producing a hormone that shuts down the production of digestive enzymes. if you remove the gland surgically they continue to be able to digest things and can live for years longer
So the kraken is actually plausible?
damn they made iron lung a real thing, crazy. seriously though, spending 250k to die in a pod is a rough one, not really sure how they're going to get out of this one.
theyre not
they ded Jim
If thye had any sort of "small" problem they would have releases the ballast which all vessels like this have.
The fact that they lost communications and they didnt says implosion to me. (if it was a mere communications problem, that alone would have warranted in any non-moronic operation to release the ballast. So that they lost that, and didn't surface, two errors of what ought to be two seperate systems means ded.
If they are found alive it will blow my mind. At which point, if they are alive and at the bottom of the sea, they need some sort of robo sub to attach a cable, and a winch (able to lift the sub, as well as the cable's weight). And all of that needs to be brought from someplace else within x hours they have left. Problem is, ships take forever to travel in the ocean.
Would you get decompression sickness with a ballast? Obviously better than the perma death they got, however it went
Would have to be gradually discharged, otherwise something in the ship would probably explode.
More like Byford Dolphin: Richgay edition. Imagine being the poor frick sprayed with rich tourist paste. Instant PTSD.
The frick? No. Its one atmosphere of pressure inside the vessel. Do you think submariners suffer decompression sickness when they emergency blow?
No because the inside of the submarine is at a constant pressure. Decompression sickness only happens to people actually in the water.
Not necessarily. On a military sub when they do an emergency blow it's immediate.
If they come up too fast everything that is full of water / waterlike thing is gonna explode. This is a min. 8 hours trip. So your balls are full of pee (balls store pee) bacuse you cant pee under water. So your balls gonna explode in that situation.
Pretty sure all these subs, including deepsea challenger etc, are pressurized at surface atmospheric pressure, precisely so they can do the "release the ballast NAO" trick.
People doing the comrpession/decompression thing are divers, except this is way past any diving depth anyway. (which is why they are a thing in bathyspheres workin in oil rigs etc)
Having the ability to surface if any shit hits the fan is far more crucial in this case. Military subs are pressurized at atmospheric pressure too for the same reason (and thus the reason they dont actually get to go really deep, 500m or so, since making too thicc hull for their size would be very expensive)
Are there any good documentaries on Kursk?
If the Russians allowed the west to help, could they have saved anybody off the Kursk?
yes
norway was ready to jump in and they have some of the best deep recovery divers on the planet but they were stopped for a week or so from approaching
Wasn't Putin chilling on a beach when it happened and refused to cut his vacation early?
think so
some anon posted a really good report on it a while ago
A firm maybe. The US could have had a rescue vehicle on site before they all finished dying, but all of the compartments with external hatches were already flooded, so they would have had to cut there way into the compartments who still had men, and it's unclear whether that could have been done successfully because of the double hull, which was flooded all the way around.
They were dead upon assignment.
>If the Russians allowed the west to help, could they have saved anybody off the Kursk?
No, it would have taken several days to organize a rescue even if the Russians had asked for help immediately and the surviving crew were all dead within six hours of the explosion.
This. I just hope their wreckage doesn't land on or near the Titanic.
Eh, the Titanic is going to be nothing but dust in the about 2-3 decades anyhow. It's a grave and always will be a grave.
Anything organic, including bones, was eaten and broken down long ago. Shoes, luggage, etc. only survive because they were treated with nasty chemicals as part of the leather tanning process. Its a memorial site now.
Doesn't matter, the wreck (for as long as it survives) is an underwater tomb for the people who perished and that's all it ever will be. People just need to leave the damn thing alone, she's already suffered enough from past explorations. Let her succumb to the icy depths in peace for her eventual disintegration.
The ONLY hope is that they snagged on wreckage and are lucky enough to unsnag. Any other scenario and they are dead
They weren't even on the bottom yet. Its a multiple hour trip just to dive that deep and they were only about an hour and a half into it.
A snag wouldn't prevent them from messaging. I doubt they get close enough to snag on anything anyways.
>Titanic 3800m
>crush depth 4000m
How old was the sub? Sounds like an obvious problem
https://www.geekwire.com/2020/oceangate-raises-18m-build-bigger-submersible-fleet-get-set-titanic-trips/#:~:text=Rush%20said%20tests%20that%20were,the%20Titanic%2C%E2%80%9D%20Rush%20said.
>Rush said tests that were conducted at the Deep Ocean Test Facility in Annapolis, Md., revealed that the Titan’s hull “showed signs of cyclic fatigue.” As a result, the hull’s depth rating was reduced to 3,000 meters.
>“Not enough to get to the Titanic,” Rush said.
Doesn't the US have a extreme-deep-dive capable rescue craft with a universal docking hatch? I remember reading about something like that when the Kursk blew herself to bits way back. Of course it will already be too late to save lives but it could at least recover the bodies.
A DSRV won't go down that far and while it does have a docking hatch, what they are trying to rescue doesn't.
By the way, here’s a video of the submarines owner bragging about how unsafe it is
https://twitter.com/fnpmarieoh/status/1670931677013524487?s=46&t=ySaWSLoZU6lwZ7u03-FcBQ
is this a joke?
>we only have one button
>we run the whole thing with this shitty knock off game controller
anything could go wrong in this piece of shit
Yeah frick that, the $40m box sub (
) at least has a full board of electrical panels and shit.
and some expensive-looking joystick controls.
Imagine trusting a sub that doesn't at least have a fancy thrustmasters.
Signed and paid a $250k ticket into Davy Jones's locker and bragged how it was "dangerous" really? This is Darwin at work, but search and rescue is a real thing. Reminds me of those X-plane projects with experimental aircraft, but honestly, why not just test it ahead of time? Why not test the device first? Seems reckless, for reasons of ego maybe. Can test it even without people in it.
Dude is like Rick from Rick and Morty telling people to get in his sus sub
Wtf, this isn't normal for a sub is it????
His one “button” is a Chinese POS switch that I’ve used in a handful of projects.
Notorious for burning out and being unreliable. Everything about this is bad. Imagine dying because the AA batteries in the controller weren’t good.
What a shit show. All I can say is good thing idiot is on board.
If it cost 2,500 and was going down to 120 feet i could laugh along, this would still be unsafe, but "fine" as even victorian submersibles might be fine at that depth, and so it could be seen as a funny and masculine desire for adventure and ingenunity. But to go to 12,500 feet in this, an unfathomable depth, far beyond what military submarines can reach, and not only that but it only has one fricking button, cheap shitty components which are not rated for making a trip akin to going to space, and the passengers pay 250,000 for a ride in this deathtrap....fricking insane how this was allowed in the first place, its no joke, and everyone who went down is an idiot.
was this its first trip? or have they done this before?
They have been operating for a few years now.
I'm surprised he didn't retire ages ago at $1m a pop. Wonder how many trips he'd done before this.
Yeah for years and somehow this didnt happen every time before. This is a case of man chancing, his luck in an insane way, then presuming he is safe because nothing bad happened yet. I presume the maintenance checks were as shitty as the quality control, most planes fail because of the wear and tear they experience in 'cycles' of compression and decompression, likewise submarines, except the tolerances are even tighter, then compare those to this fricking thing going 6 times deeper than a military submarine.
Let this be a lesson about rich people being automatically smart because they have a lot of money.
True but you'd think they might think a second before trusting their life to someone who makes you sign a waiver saying he isnt responsible for your death, and then get promptly presented with an extremely realistic chance of an extreme emotional event. (not that any such waiver is legally binding on any country subject to British commonwealth law, including Canada)
>12,500 feet in this, an unfathomable depth
Anon, that is 2083.333 fathoms.
jej
Carlos stfu, its unfathomable because its an abyss, a depth which is hard to readily comprehend, not in the strict sense of the word. The mariana trench was fathomed with rope and that was 4,475, its measurable but hard to comprehend, going that deep is akin to going to outer space, except its inimical to machinery as well as life.
Full video
https://invidious.nl/watch?v=29co_Hksk6o
too bad glomar explorer got scrapped. not that it would make it in time anyway
I don't know what manganese nodules have to do with anything
>manganese nodules
Azorian much?
>pay enough cash to buy a house
>It takes several hours to get to your destination
>There are no seats, the roof is too low to stand up, and overall it's more cramped than a budget airline
>No bathroom so you have to either try and hold it in the entire time or bottle piss with everyone else watching as there's no room to turn away
>Breathing recycled air that slowly gets more rancid from everyone's farts
>Just to squint out of a tiny ass window for a few minutes
Yeah frick that
it's got pee bottles
well it had, anyway
Yfw the Logitech controllers batteries ran out and that's what caused it to sink
not the first lives logitech has claimed
it's not even that unlikely. they probably forgot to check all the batteries in the controllers and some exposure to salty sea air made it worse and now they are just sinking or floating.
Nah it just started doubleclicking
They pressed x to sumberge, but it doubleclicked and they submerged twice
friendly reminder titanic=113 and was "sunk" as the cover story to assasinate people like john jacob astor IV and benjamin guggenheim so they wouldn't speak out against the federal reserve act that was eventually passed 617 (the 113th prime number) days later
ah scweet a schizo post
Don't go posting dangerous misinfo like this. SHUT THE FRICK UP.
Where did you get his anon
Yeah
numerology schizos make me laugh
was this before or after they found out about the secret israelite moon base made in the 1800s with jules vernes' moon cannon?
truth. we only found the titanic as a cover up operation for nuke submarine searches.
once a psyop always a psyop
Oh shit really? I'll have to go do some research. Thanks for educating me anon. Really doing us all a great service.
Can't believe the federal reserve paid for a whole iceberg with my taxes. Fricking crooks.
>kun aguero
I just love when rich people die thanks to their stupid choices kek
What can I do but cheer on?
makes me want to start my own moronic sub par submarine company and accidentally lose some rich dicks down a hole
good riddance
I was thinking about that. How the frick this dumbass convinced these rich "adventurers" to pay a lot of money to enter his deathtrap and dive deep down in the ocean?
Did none of them looked at all the amateurish crap the butthole put it together and called a sub?
>Paul-Henri Blacklet
doomed from the start, everyone knows they can't swim
If I'm not mistaken, he's like the biggest expert on the titantic in the world. Wasn't he the guy that was instrumental in finding it?
the post clearly says he is the world's leading Titanic.
he IS the ship, and he's claimed yet more lives
I would wager we will get a few people coming out in the next couple days saying they voiced interest but after seeing their ride they backed out.
There will always be a couple idiots who don't think.
wealth and intelligence are unrelated
>Did none of them looked at all the amateurish crap the butthole put it together and called a sub?
Of course, you, as a professional submarine designer on this atlantean bathyscape imageboard would know everything there ever is to know about submarines, and would know exactly how to design a better one, right?
carbon fiber hull does sound like a recipe for disaster and I don't know frick all about subs
hell yea that's awesome
Carbon fiber actually sounds fine because of it's incredible tensile strength in the one predictable dimension of force that a submarine is going to experience.
but isn't carbon fiber kinda brittle? I'm just a idiot on PrepHole but to me the continuous stresses of multiple dives would degrade that hull very quickly
https://www.geekwire.com/2020/oceangate-raises-18m-build-bigger-submersible-fleet-get-set-titanic-trips/#:~:text=Rush%20said%20tests%20that%20were,the%20Titanic%2C%E2%80%9D%20Rush%20said
Depends on your definition of quick, but yes, it does. However, that's the sort of thing that is easy to measure and model so it just means the sub has a limited number of cycles that it can do before it needs to be taken out of service or moved to shallower expeditions.
Thing is though it's not under tension, it's being compressed. Don't think carbon fibre is as strong that way.
Carbon fiber is extremely strong in that way as well, anon. The problem with it is that it it's not strong in 3 dimensions, which is fine when you only need to resist force that's acting in a singular, predictable manner.
it sounds like it wouldn't be great for water though because of the unique properties of depth pressure?
that's just based on videos I'm watching on the youtubes mind you this is fascinating stuff
The net force on the surface of a submerged cylinder is purely perpendicular to the surface, except right at the edges in the front and back. This means you only have one dimension in which your carbon fiber needs to be rigid, which is exactly what it's at it's best at. What unique properties of being at depth do you think would make it unsuitable for the job?
I just imagine the differences in pressure while diving and coming back up would put a push and pull strain on the sub so a fibre composition sounds more prone to degrading due to those forces in my mind
I'm not really sure, again I'm a big moron but most subs I've seen are all kinds of metals unless I'm wrong
well there's the deep diving suits that aren't but they have a different structural composition that I imagine helps compared to being a big tube
Most subs aren't intended to be a disposable unit that's driven by profit margins and intended to be only good for a certain number of dives.
You're a fricking moron and don't understand anything about composites or how force is directed through them.
yeah isnt carbon fiber just meant for things like golf clubs. not real mission critical shit
>atlantean bathyscape imageboard
>mfw it keeps changing
I'm so confused.
What do you mean "changing"? It's always unique. Did you just come from a Colombian brain damage subreddit?
If this thing ejected the device that floats them back to the top, how hard will it be to see? Surely they used a bright color like yellow or orange right?
What? They drop weights and the natural bouncy of the sub makes it rise to the surface. You can see some of the weights in OPs pic hanging like nuts on the bottom of the hull.
ah I see. well they should have painted it yellow or orange. that things gonna be hard to see at the top
detailed video from some guy, skip like halfway. they had manual control backups for releasing weights. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uD5SUDFE6CA
So it probably imploded abruptly during decent and not due to electrical failure if it has failed to resurface.
>pay $250,000
>die
Wow, literal thievery
Three miles up!
Three miles down!
HI HO SILVER!
Imploded means crushed by the pressure correct? No bully pls
Yes
I hope they went quickly
Sadly I think the most likely thing would be electrical/control issues resulting in a slow death by suffocation (either from no C02 scrubbers working, or from no more oxygen in the reserves)
it has 3 different scrubbing/oxygen sources and 6 redundant lifting mechanisms. It went kaboom, mate
If it was an implosion it would have been instantaneous. They wouldnt even had time to process or even acknowledge what was happening.
They have a manual hydraulic pump to release the crew chamber form the ballasts as well as flotation bags. https://youtu.be/uD5SUDFE6CA?t=1220
20:20 if the timestamp doesnt work.
yea the sides of submarines will literally "squeeze" from the pressure
there's a silly movie called down periscope that has a great scene where the guys put a string between the walls of the sub and watches it go slack as they go deeper
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Smartereveryday demonstrated it for real on the USS Toledo a couple years ago. Start at 11:51.
badass thanks man
He did 9 videos on it. Its really unprecedented and a great look into how US nuclear subs operate. I dont think I have ever seen it posted here.
I will definitely check it out, appreciate you posting
Youre welcome, my guy. Also Down Periscope is one of my favorite movies.
Is it possible a kraken got it
>https://nitter.nl/Pogue/status/1670826522138091521?s=20
>This submersible does not have any kind of beacon like that. On my expedition last summer, they did indeed get lost for about 5 hours, and adding such a beacon was discussed…
>To be clear, I was not on the sub that day—I was on the ship at the surface, in the control room. They could still send short texts to the sub, but did not know where it was. It was quiet and very tense, and they shut off the ship’s internet to prevent us from tweeting.
>and they shut off the ship’s internet to prevent us from tweeting.
QUARTER OF A MILLION A POP FOR THIS SHIT
MONEY WELL SPENT
>https://www.geekwire.com/2020/oceangate-raises-18m-build-bigger-submersible-fleet-get-set-titanic-trips/
>"OceanGate will take advantage of lessons learned during the construction of its carbon-hulled Titan submersible, which was originally built for Titanic journeys. Rush said tests that were conducted at the Deep Ocean Test Facility in Annapolis, Md., revealed that the Titan’s hull “showed signs of cyclic fatigue.” As a result, the hull’s depth rating was reduced to 3,000 meters.
>“Not enough to get to the Titanic,” Rush said."
tactical advantage of having a version that shows fatigue way before needed depth and just doing a somewhat bigger version and going for it and maybe losing it for 5 hours sometimes? Maybe that happens with submarines though. I lose stuff sometimes too for a few hours. Once I lost my earbuds for a few hours and I felt like such a silly billy. Kinda similar.
Amazing.
> and they shut off the ship’s internet to prevent us from tweeting.
>They waited 12 hours before calling for help.
What are the odds that they did the "cut off internet access" trick again during these 12 hours? The lawsuit is going to be fun, can the liability waivers even work if the level of cost cutting and amateurism in this shitshow is as bad as it looks?
>can the liability waivers even work if the level of cost cutting and amateurism in this shitshow is as bad as it looks?
Maybe it the waivers were drafted by very good lawyers, but they probably cheaped out on those too.
Any lawyer will tell you waivers don't absolve a company in events involving negligence.
surely a carbon fiber center section you glue to the domes is more complicated and moronic than another titanium section?
but it's cheaper! :^)
looking at the footage of this jury rigged piece of shit, I think this is the most elaborate murder-suicide in the history of mankind
that billionaire was offed for sure so someone could collect insurance and inheritance
I'd pay $50 to go see the wreck of this shitheap
do they get a refund
I'm actually pretty pro-using-cots-parts-wherever-possible, but there's a difference between that and having your only control be a bluetooth controller. at the very least wire it in and have a physical abort button. maybe not even a button, maybe a valve to blow the ballasts that you can physically turn.
damn
government paperwork might kill them
The government shouldn't have allowed these guys to operate in the first place lolbertard
If they are alive, they should be tapping morse code on the hull. If they aren't doing that, they are already dead.
>go down to look at a vessel that became a grave
>become another grave vessel
Pottery.
Sounds like a self-reproducing business opportunity. Send another batch of idiots down to die looking for the last one, ad infinitum. The Atlantic Ocean will rise by a meter from all the trash submarines I will send. I'm gonna make millions.
Any rescue attempt is just pr bullshit.. the real story here is how fast can oceangate produce the liability waivers that their crew and passengers signed, and were they grim enough to take out life insurance policies on their own crew..
Also who gets to update the number of dead bodies listed at the titanic site by 5?
Honest question. Anons… if money were no problem which would you think is more dangerous? Getting to go into space as a tourist? Or diving to the titanic? Personally I’d rather visit space… and I think it’s the safer choice.
The space tourism is 100% the safer option in this case. There's a lot more brainpower and manufacturing competence that goes into building the equipment and the whole thing sits under the regulatory Eye of Sauron that is the FAA.
With this submarine stuff, you're pretty much banking on the guy that built it having a solid sense of self-preservation and not generally being a fricking moron.
The only other subs which can go that deep arent rescue ones, most rescue vessels cant go much below 2,000 feet, this is at fricking 12,500 feet. There are submersibles which can make it down, but they arent equipped for rescue, the most they could do is tow it back to the surface if it is located, however if something has gone wrong then it has likely imploded, and there is nothing to be done. By now theyre out of air and dead even in the event that didnt happen.
Some info:
Contact was lost 1 hour 45 minutes into the dive. It takes 2 hours to reach the bottom. They waited 12 hours before calling for help.
Upside is that if it sank that close to the bottom then it likely didn't drift far. It's near the wreck. Though possibly in a million bits after imploding.
>They waited 12 hours before calling for help.
Oh they ded.
The sub apparently has air for 96 hours, but yeah not good.
Assuming they didn't experience structural failure that led to them all turning into paste, they'll freeze down there before they run out of O2.
>2 hour descent
>2 hour ascent
Literal fricking hell
What if a sperm whale ate it?
that actually does happen to divers, a big thing with alaskan divers is getting dragged by orcas and drowning
News report talking about the submarine and it's various system. From the sounds of it there are only two realistic scenarios if it hasn't managed to surface. It's stuck on something (like the wreck or a fishing net) or it imploded. It should have surfaced otherwise.
it's operated with a PS2 controller and touch pads, the controller probably broke.
hey, it was logitech ok!
>not even name brand
oooof
Should've gone with a F310 for reliability.
Just unplug the controller, blow into the connector, then plug it back in.
>3 days of air
>only vehicle capable of rescuing them cant get there for weeks
>they don't even know where they are and could have drifted miles
>company is literally called OceanGate
you can't make this shit up
OceanGategate scandal
Not having a beacon with independent power is crazy. We are talking baofeng radio level technology here. Cheap insurance.
homie u dumb
Oh God, this scares me.
I mean even if they wanted to escape, at 4km below, they'd be crushed into nothing the instant they get out.
Genuinely surprised nobody has made a smug pepe meme with the face in place of the dome at the end and 'no refunds' as the caption
Wooooo
?t=71
Reading about it sounds like they went fairly big on the pressure hull but who really knows as every previous article is basically PR. If its missing due to flooding my money is on the 17 bolts to do up a hatch being the cause; that just sounds like a recipe for disaster with so much room for a torquing error, some misalignment, metal wear/fatigue, or just tightening them in the wrong sequence so you get a difference in seal that only reveals itself at depth. Similarly with a threaded bolt the thing keeping it secure is how the you tighten it until the bolt neck physically stretches and causes enough friction to hold it, so if you're using them to hold something that is expected to deform due to pressure they need to be pre-stressed and the pressure vessel brought to pressure at a controlled rate, otherwise you risk unstretching them, losing friction, and therefore losing the seal. Idk the exact design though, it could be some sort of locking bar rather than a traditional threaded bolt though. 2nd on the list would be some sort of life support failure or fire; they said everything other than the pressure hull can fail but you don't want your oxygen to fail or a small electrical fire to happen or you're toast.
on the only video I found of the hatch being closed it looks like they used an electric impact gun to drive the bolts
but it also looked like the hatch might've had an interior conical sealing surface (the only reasonable design for a deep sub hatch, if it's a flat mating surface all the way
then the designer(s) should get the death penalty for first degree murder) which would seal tighter as depth increases.
Carbon fiber has worse fatigue properties than most high alloy steels you'd see in sub hulls, but that's intrinsic to the material itself and not the type of strain or the use case. CF gets you a higher absolute strength and better strength:weight ratio than metals, but as soon as it starts flexing beyond 1% deformation that erodes a lot of lifespan. Other composites are somewhat better for fatigue characteristics, but in the end the matrix is the limiting factor. Metals are used a lot because they're cheaper for very large scale construction (nuclear subs); subs have a lot of margin to be heavy, so CF being lightweight is not a major consideration; and, metals are much easier to manufacture with e.g. welding and press-forming (and are also repairable). That's not an exhaustive list of advantages.
Most subs are driven by the need to potentially kill a lot of people, or occasionally by scientific intrigue - in either case not meant to be profitable - that are semi-disposable units only good for a certain number of dives. Or did you not know about the hull fatigue ALL, yes ALL submarines experience from dive cycles? Usually subs are not diving to more than 90% of their crush depth regularly and the safety factor is huge so by the time hull fatigue actually becomes an issue the rest of the sub (engines, propulsion, electronics, weapons, etc.) is so hopelessly outdated that they'd scrap it anyways, but even well-maintained subs (this one wasn't) are not immortal.
I literally posted the article that noted they saw increased fatigue as a result of the CF hull in testing, and the use of this particular sub no less, when they were building the successors though that plan is probably on hold. However, most subs are doing substantially more dive and surface cycles then this which only got used when they convinced a bunch of morons to spend a collective million dollars to go to the bottom of the ocean, which means that unlike a normal sub, a substantially limited number of dives before having to scrap it is of less concern.
In engineering terms though the pressure hull is probably the most simple problem to solve; thick tube capped by dome pieces on either side, only needs to be big enough to hold 5 people. Nominally rated to a depth exceeding what the titanic lay at, and there's probably a margin of safety in that too. If it's hull failure then the place to look is places where there are openings or joins where weakness is induced, and without detailed plans its all a bit too speculative. Beyond the 17 bolt seal which sounds intuitively wrong there's no easily obvious flaw in the design, and by the ceo's admission (biased or not) they doubled down on the hull itself. The internal support systems though, by the same admission, seem to have had less attention on them, but they're arguably the more complex and more dangerous component. A small increase in o2 means a big increase in flammability, a small increase in co2 means a massive degradation in crew ability, battery issues, heat leading to even a small fire, control malfunctions etc can all doom a small submersible if they don't have a margin of safety built in. In my mind hull failure is a less likely failure mode than internal system failure.
>beacon
see
, no EPIRB onboard apparently. Also no, if they did manage to surface they wouldn't need a hyperbaric chamber, unless they were mega moronic in their design (which I wouldn't put past them but doesn't seem to be the case) the sub is kept at 1 atm.
Well looking at the hull's manufacturer, it's good their Wikipedia doesn't have a "controversy" section oh wait actually it does
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroimpact
>helps employees foster children and find eternal love
>doesn't hire mudslimes
Doesn't sound very controversial to me.
Well it's a Christian company so its hulls are protected by magic powers. It's foolproof.
>CEO - Peter Zieve
I’m pretty sure that Zieve is a israeli surname of RUSSIAN origin…
Nothing in terms of them cheaping out on construction, so it's ok
Holy shit those computer speakers hahaha
No fricking way
this guy is seriously going to the titanic on the same rig i played cs 1.6 on
These people had a serious case of main-character syndrome
They’re the main characters alright… of James Cameron’s The Abyss.
>rov finds a tube of metal squashed flat like a tube of toothpaste in Titanics debris field
How hard do you guys think he's raging right now?
None at all. Probably slowly shaking his head in sadness and disbelief.
IIRC didn't he want to not reveal the exact location of the wreck because he was worried this precise scenario would happen?
they are probably dead by now. R.I.P
I hope the bodies can be recovered at least for their families so they can get a proper burial.
There is no burial more proper than being given back to the heartless sea.
>a board dedicated to weapons managed to figure out the likely cause of a deep sea submersible accident (the submersible in question being a cheaply built unsafe piece of shit) before literally anyone else even has bothered to start asking questions of why
What makes you think this hasn't been figured out by anyone else properly looking into this?