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I just saw this /k/ and I am having doubts about my G26 EDC. is it time to step to .357 SIG?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    357 sig is based but I prefer the oomph of 200gr 40 in a compact. It's great against bears

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    1. Paul harrel is a fricking moron who doesnt understand terminal ballistics. his fricking cantelope targets are inconsistent jokes.

    2. 9mm hollowpoints now vs back then are 2 completely different animals, we have had 30 years of advancements, and they were using a shitty round for that era.

    3. As SAS guys were saying, they never had a problem with 9mm, fbi gays just cant shoot.

    4. They should have brought a real gun, the guys withsubguns were too busy fricking a waitress at a local diner and the tard cops didnt bring rifles. All handguns suck, and all handguns are basically equal (for most things)

    So rock the g26 for capacity and cheap training. If you are that concerned focus on hollowpoints with more penetration than expansion. But any decent federal, sxt, or even critical defense should perform more than fine.

    Remember, at the time we didnt have the 12 inch penetration minimum so people were just looking for the most impressive expansion.

    You would unironicially probably get more lethality out of adding a redot than changing calibers. The only handgun calibers with any serious improvement would be the 7.5 fk, which is a much larger and more expensive gun.

    45 acp hollowpoints can do better but again much less capacity. Just stick with 9mm its fine.

    You want a bullet that can minimum penetrate 12 -18 inches of ballistic gel and the more expansion the better.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >2. 9mm hollowpoints now vs back then are 2 completely different animals, we have had 30 years of advancements, and they were using a shitty round for that era.
      >3. As SAS guys were saying, they never had a problem with 9mm, fbi gays just cant shoot.
      so...which is it?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        SAS guys were using FMJ, 124 grain or 147 grain depending on the job. Either of those would have been fine. Remember the whole theory on why 9mm "failed" in the miami dade shootout was there was one 9mm round that was just shy /didnt go through the heart through a wierd angle from the side. All the other rounds were missing but there was that one round that everyone fixated on. would not have been a problem with FMJ.

        Stop with your pol tier gotcha word games and think about it.

        https://i.imgur.com/D4G7hkS.jpg

        >is it time to step to .357 SIG?
        You don't need to. Modern 9mm is better than 1980s 9mm in the US. Its easier to get the good stuff. That being said, if you want to get something better then BASED. Be sure to train with whatever you decide to carry.

        >Paul harrel is a fricking moron ...
        Weak bait

        >As SAS guys were saying, they never had a problem with 9mm, fbi gays just cant shoot.
        True. See pic

        Yup. No paul harrel doesnt know shit about ballistics, hes just an old fudd who plays daddy to people on the internet, his miami dade shooting video was good however.
        if you want good ballistics watch the chopping block on youtube.

        https://i.imgur.com/7CX1jOT.png

        Paul Harrell uses meat targets you gay. yes they should've brought rifles that are easier to shoot, but you don't always have a rifle with you. you need to be proficient with a handgun under stress. one handed shotgun guy was the most useless of all.

        again with the reddit shit, he places a little slab of meat infront of canteloupes in several vids. kys. "it represents the lungs" yeah no, its not consistent and not good science. MAybe shooting something like a hog can give you data MAYBE. But we have ballistics gel to have a consisten measurement.

        reddit spacing and complete moronic dribble

        a match made in heaven

        Reddit spacing is cope, we have posted people using this spacing since 2008. Its just easier to read, cope seethe and dilate.

        Admitted 2015 newbie here: I still don't know what the frick Reddit spacing is
        I know what spacing is, and I can see how its helpful for organization of text/thoughts, but why is it Reddit? Redditors do a lot of cringey things, but spacing??

        its about 2016 election tourists trying to larp as oldgays.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          the meat target simulates the various tissues that a bullet may encounter inside the human body and offers a much more realistic idea of the performance of a bullet, not the effect on the target. chrono results with meat target tests tell you a lot more about how a bullet performs than through a consistent medium. gay.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Reddit spacing is cope, we have posted people using this spacing since 2008. Its just easier to read, cope seethe and dilate.
          hitting enter every sentence is cancer and makes your moronic drivel take up more of my screen

          he uses oranges to simulate lung tissue as inner organs are weak, the comparison is to see how much of the bags of oranges get torn up. Ballistic gel is not a comparison of what it does in a human body, it's a block of gel to simulate muscle tissue and nothing else, no ribs, no different organs, nothing. He does shoot animals, he hunts, he believes with his experience processing deer and other animals is that the meat target is a pretty good representation of what happens.

          ?t=1509
          he shoots 3 meat targets, consistent results between all 3 targets.
          >oh but that round hit a rib
          that's the fricking point, to show what happens when bullets hit different things. People have rib cages, they're not gelatinous blobs.

          > Remember the whole theory on why 9mm "failed" in the miami dade shootout was there was one 9mm round that was just shy /didnt go through the heart through a wierd angle from the side. All the other rounds were missing but there was that one round that everyone fixated on. would not have been a problem with FMJ.
          For Law Enforcement one of the primary reasons to carry is JHP to prevent overpenetration of targets and wounding of innocent by-standards. FMJ will go straight through a person, straight through the heart in that lateral through arm through chest to heart shot. It will also go straight through the target and hit whatever is on the other side with more than enough energy to be fatal. FBI standards for any pistol round is always 12-18 inches of the calibrated ballistic gel. Why do they stop at 18? For over penetration. Because Law Enforcement officers operate in environments with civilians present.

          you're a midwit

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >reddit spacing
            not reading all that shit lol

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              you newbies can't tell a paragraph from spacing

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            1. cope and seethe.
            2. its a moronic test mechanism that doesnt give data since your body is far more gelatinous than a fricking orange. No shit the gel blocks are for consistent testing, its consistent so its the best to test. Any round that does well within the parameters of the test works well.

            your edaddy is cope for you having a chastity fetish.

            >muh ribs
            yeah thats why 12-18 inches its understood that bone is harder, again I dont think you have read ANY of dr falkers work.

            >law enforcement and muh overpen argument
            You are moronic, those test parameters didnt exist before this shooting, Miami dade shooting was one of the main catalysts for modern ballistic science. You are incapable of processing any information nor reading, which makes sense for why you watch harrels shitty work.

            Also overpenetration is mostly a meme, I have seen, maybe one shooting where overpenetration actually caused a casualty? and there was even controversy thinking that was the missed shot.

            TLDR cops suck at shooting, you are gay and paul harrel needs to stick in his fricking lane.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Do I trust a retired serviceman, competition shooter, hunter, guy who has been in a self defense shooting or do I trust a couch commando who believes gel tests have to surpass the 12" to simulate it defeating bone?

              I think I'll trust the guy who actually shoots things, anon. No offense.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You arent trusting me you are trusting dr falker and decades of testing done not only by the FBI but by private research and military research, this is all well known and established fact. Paul can shoot fine and seems to be a good guy. he just doesnt know what hes talking about here because guess what? this shit is irrelevent for your average marine or cop.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                doctors and the FBI don't have alot of credibility these days

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                have you seen a hollow point after it hits bone? 99% of those results can be thrown out

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            > be me, New York cop
            >fire 17 rounds at black guy jumping the styles on the subway
            > 16 miss
            > 1 hits, I sure hope it doesn’t over penetrate and injure somebody behind.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Only 17? I think you're confusing New York City with upstate.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          All youtube needs is another guy shooting gel blocks, right? Surely he can tell us something the other 500 guys didn't!

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >But we have ballistics gel to have a consisten measurement.
          gel just serves as a consistent medium for comparative purposes, it has no bearing on performance ito a human body

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          why would I watch ballistic gel videos? a broadhead from a recurve bow will kill a deer just as fast as a .45-70

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >a broadhead from a recurve bow will kill a deer
            Since arrows have a lot of mass they penetrate flesh very well despite being slow. This can be observed in a ballistic gel video.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Arrows kill by exanguination. Bullets kill by blunt force trauma.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Weak bait

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >is it time to step to .357 SIG?
      You don't need to. Modern 9mm is better than 1980s 9mm in the US. Its easier to get the good stuff. That being said, if you want to get something better then BASED. Be sure to train with whatever you decide to carry.

      >Paul harrel is a fricking moron ...
      Weak bait

      >As SAS guys were saying, they never had a problem with 9mm, fbi gays just cant shoot.
      True. See pic

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >pic
        I would rather have a bigger bullet to shoot somebody in the face so I can watch his head explode like Hickok45 shooting a watermelon.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          9mm and .357 sig bullets are really similar in size, if you really need a larger bullet then .357 sig isn't it. Get a .44 magnum then

          On a completely unrelated note I wish .41 magnum was still relevant.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Neither of you watched the fricking video

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Paul Harrell uses meat targets you gay. yes they should've brought rifles that are easier to shoot, but you don't always have a rifle with you. you need to be proficient with a handgun under stress. one handed shotgun guy was the most useless of all.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Ok Caleb, we get you feel emboldened now that Paul's gone.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        are you the same guy every thread?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          no but Caleb is

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            No one knows what youre talking about.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      reddit spacing and complete moronic dribble

      a match made in heaven

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Admitted 2015 newbie here: I still don't know what the frick Reddit spacing is
        I know what spacing is, and I can see how its helpful for organization of text/thoughts, but why is it Reddit? Redditors do a lot of cringey things, but spacing??

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          reddit spacing is apparently some thing about posting on reddit where you have to press enter twice to get a certain type of line break. I wouldn't know, I don't post on reddit

          using enter twice between separate thoughts on PrepHole like I am doing right now predates reddit altogether so anyone accusing someone else of reddit spacing is probably a newbie (aka someone who started using PrepHole after 2005)

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >2015 newbie
          You've been here almost ten years. It's nice you're humble, but you should just be proud you're not lost in the sauce after this long.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Frick ya mudda

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Do you realize every good point you made is literally in the Paul Harrell video? This includes your critique of the meat target

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Paul harrel is a fricking moron who doesnt understand terminal ballistics
      Dude's killed an entire ecosystem worth of game in his lifetime. I trust his vastly experienced opinion infinitely more than a bunch of dudes looking at numbers to make the FBI gel standard.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        hunting is a completely different ballgame moron and you are generally tracking deer after, most morons are using 3006 which is overpowered for what you need, does not translate to pistol ballistics at all or what you need for self defense.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >most morons are using 3006 which is overpowered for what you need, does not translate to pistol ballistics at all or what you need for self defense.
          Good thing Paul has hunted deer with practically every handgun round in major use for the last 50 years. 99% sure he mentioned killing a deer with .32 ACP.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >99% sure he mentioned killing a deer with .32 ACP.
            No, he mentioned finishing a deer off with .25 acp after he had already shot its spine with a rifle.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Recreate the north Hollywood shootout instead but actually survive

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Movement and accurate aim are more important then caliber.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      than Anon. Then is for first this, then that. You meant to say than. Learn fricking English.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Please get back to the iphone factory ching chong. No first world larping allowed.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    go full moron and get a 10mm, FBI created it specifically so a guy with a handgun would have a chance against a guy with a rifle.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >FBI created it specifically so a guy with a handgun would have a chance against a guy with a rifle
      This was the intention but a guy with a handgun is never ever on an even playing field against a guy with a rifle; it don't matter what caliber you got in your double stack

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If it bothers you that much, just get some quality 147 grain HPs, they generally penetrate further than the lighter grains and do better, relatively, in short barreled guns.
    At the end of the day it doesn't fricking matter. Statistically you're way more likely to die in a car accident, but you don't worry about possible what if car scenarios and how to react to them. If you're consistently carrying a center fire pistol, you're set for 99.999% of possible violent encounters.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >but you don't worry about possible what if car scenarios and how to react to them.
      should we? Seems like a cool thing to try to prepare for

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Whatever the case, just don't carry those Silvertips, you know what happened to those FBI guys!!

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    did you even watch the video? paul addresses ballistic performance in this, stating that while there were a variety of calibers (38, 9mm, 357, 12ga) on scene, and 357 is a very powerful handgun, its practically useless if you dont hit your target, and the failure was one of marksmanship, not of ballistics

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    why did paul kill those cops?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      they were protecting the furry convention

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They drove their vehicle in his general direction, a fatal mistake.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >what is modern expanding ammunition
    redditors and newbies

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    357sig kicks like mad, in a tiny glock it will be incredibly difficult to make followup shots.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    That guy was shooting at other people and got shot thru the arm , into his chest and stopped short of his heart. You're never going to have a car full with like 12 of your buddies getting assaulted by like that.
    Keep carrying your Glop

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Nah. Your ccw is just fine. Just do plenty of training

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If this is, in any way, analogous to a situation you expect to find yourself in, you shouldn't be carrying anything at all, as you're clearly a mental defective and need to be locked up for the safety of the innocent.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    nobody cares, noguns

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    RIP Paul, he died last night. troony janny deleted the thread

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Cops and by extension FBI can't land shots. Bullets have to hit something to work. Your 9mm is more than enough.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >paul harrel is a former cop
    No? He was a marine and then in the Army National Guard. His brother Roy is a cop.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      still more experience than a bunch of morons online

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >His brother Roy is a cop.
      Without the military experience and Paul's unique sense of humor I think Roy will find the fanbase of that channel dwindling but I hope he can make it work.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        He also isn’t nearly as proficient at shooting it seems, but guess we’ll really see what he’s capable of in the future.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    He just fricking died.

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