Do we know of any published missions or instances in which one man infiltrated a military or government installation, performed sabotage, rescued a hostage, killed a HVT, or did other types of cool shit all by himself or in a small (say less than 3 man) team?
Also, the rationale for these games is always
>A single man is harder to spot than a squad, so we're sending you in alone.
Does that hold true? Is it worth sacrificing the added capabilities of other guys in the squad?
I suppose if you're in the jungle, bringing sustainment like food and water along with you is kinda pointless because there's plenty of food and water in a rain forest if you know where to look. And if you're trying to avoid combat at all costs, all you'd really need would be a knife, pistol, and basic survival equipment. Would something remotely like Operation Snake Eater be even remotely possible IRL?
>op is moronic
I don't care, a man can dream.
That kind of scenario is not possible. Real special ops hit hard and fast, and use silence but know they are merely delaying the inevitable of alerting the defenders. But they are aiming for that realization to be seconds and to catch them with their pants down so they can’t mount a defense.
Yeah, I can't think of anything like that
OP is moronic
OP is moronic, but a based moron like me (fr fr)
thats the kind of stuff that happens at least once right? Mgs takes heavy inspiration from real world tech and scenarios
>Mgs takes heavy inspiration from real world tech and scenarios
8% of Metal Gear Solid is spent crawling around a ventilation system, which is inspired by the first Die Hard movie.
Not really infiltration but I feel like operation gatling deserves more light.
It was when The Rhodesian military bombed the shit out of a communist commpund in Zambia that had commie guerillas jumping the border and slaughtering Rhodesian civilians.
There's a famous recored radio transmission from the Rhodesian commander leading the raid codename greenleader basically telling Zambia to not frick around and find out.
Read this book. You get multiple instances of small teams going hundreds of kilometers inside enemy country, to do batshit stuff like going inside a huge guarded airbase and plant bombs on migs or try to kill the whole anc leadership. It gives detail on how they do it, their kit, their practice and how they got in.
The problem with doing that is that once shit hits the fan and the sabotage is discovered or the body is discovered security increases to a level where an infiltrator could only feasibly get out guns blazing, which one-man teams are not good at.
Therefore, if you wanted to send one man in, it would only be good for objectives that are highly covert even after the mission is accomplished i.e. information collecting.
Furthermore, these sorts of missions are highly risky. You wouldn't want to send in one of your own, it'd probably be best to outsource to a foreign mercenary willing to do it for pay.
Finally, getting into places with a lot of people without being spotted is impossible, practically speaking. You'd have to be an insider to have any shot of getting in.
Add these three facts together (info collection, foreign mercenaries, insiders) and you have the model the CIA uses. If you need a secret project photographed or a file stolen then hire some guy who already works in the building.
Yeah but Solid Snake and Big Boss really are just that good.
Famed Marine sniper Carlos Hathwiener did an MGS3 mission IRL during the Vietnam War.
basically rex applegate in central america and mexico vs the KGB in the 1950s.
My homie otto snuck in with a glider and got mussolini out alive all by himself.
He's the real life basis for snake plissken.
Notice Donald plessence kinda looks.like benito?
He landed with a dozen sticks of SS commandos and a few luftwaffe glider pilots
The Italians were sympathetic to Il Duce and thinking of letting Mussolini go even before he landed; when they showed up the Italians let him go with no shots fired; they even toasted wine together
Don't get me wrong, Grant Sasso was a cool operation but it wasn't Virtuous Mission like thing
Read an autobiography a few years back called "spycatcher" about an MI5 radio specialist during the cold War who had to repeatedly sneak into soviet city's and plant microphones or whatever.
Theirs one part where he talks about having to climb a phone pole and staying completely still to avoid detection, and likely avoid being executed.
Pretty interesting read.
I assume in those kinds of operations IRL it's less about camo and facepaint sneaking, and more about wearing the correct uniform. Less Solid Snake and more Agent 47.
More like solid snake in mgs4 chapter 4 when he's sneaking through the city.
No, you'd need multiple people. There's scenarios like dealing with cliffs or river crossings where someone helping you would save your life, not to mention that you would want a scout, someone providing overwatch, someone operating comms.
A mission would most likely entail multiple skills so in theory one guy would have the most explosives training, another would have the most sniper training, one guy could speak the local language, etc to cover all bases.
The "one man is harder to spot" makes sense if you don't think about it, but they wouldn't go into an infiltration holding hands. The other guys can be watching through binos from a nearby hill if you need to go into a place alone.
I've done it. Can I talk about it? No.
>snake successfully makes it up the cargo elevator
>the first guard who sees his footprints in the snow says "who's footprints are these???"
>except instead of following them for 10 seconds and forgetting he calls it in on radio
>facility now placed on high alert
MGS only works because it's moronic. The first time Snake got caught inside the building he would be 100% dead since they could just turn off the elevator or send in more guards until he is toast. Real life does not have guards see someone, shoot at them and then after two minuets resume normal patrols like nothing happened.
To be honest you aren't meant to be spotted outside of scripted action sequences.
It's an active helipad and there are grenades and a $2000 handgun just lying around, surely there would be enough people coming and going that one set of footprints wouldn't be suspicious. I agree with you about the cargo elevator though, they should have gone to investigate that the moment they heard it running.
Good thing in canon in these games, they get from point A to point B fine without a single alert, and then suddenly it's boss fight time.
Yeah, except the boss fights and forced combat sections, and that liquid and his entire team knew he was there the entire time. MGS is fricking anime horseshit.
it's happened, albeit it's rare and incredibly dangerous due to the risk of friendly fire.
Could any solider beat Revolver Ocelot, Psycho Mantis, Sniper Wolf, and Vulcan Raven?
>Psycho Mantis
how the frick am I gonna change my controller to port 2 in real life?
Your butthole is champing at the bit for the opportunity
Empty your mind and let instincts take over.
Be so strong-willed that he can't read your mind or anticipate your moves
>why is he only thinking of futa porn!? I can't read him!!
He's a Russian and a former investigator. I don't think your weird fetishes will put him off-balance, but just make him want to kill you more.
Think about pallets.
I thought being really uncomfortable about people thinking about sex was part of his whole thing though.
>He keeps thinking about HAMBURGERS!? Ahhhh, I'm going insane save me ravenman!!
He goes insane when reminded of his ugly face
Think about Psycho Mantis fart inflation.
Batman actually did something similar in Justice League cartoon
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Lobotomize yourself before the fight
WHY THE FRICK IS HE BASHING HIS HEAD ON THE WALL MAKE IT STOP AGHHHHHHH
by being schizophrenic
Unmask the two statues. It will reveal psycho mantis' face and he doesn't love to his own face.
MGS3 villains >>>> all the others
Well in general I think 1 and 3 have strong memorable villains, but 2's are kind of weak.
3>4>5>1>2
It actually goes 1>3>2>4>5
Close
3>1>2>5>4
That is the correct ranking.
3>5>1>2>4
5 is not greater than 4 and 2 is definitely not better than 4.
Your opinions are shit and you deserve to stub your toe.
Yeah, an angry dude with a jetpack and flamethrower, plus a really old dude that can be beaten by leaving for a while versus. I always found MSG3's villains a bit lackluster besides Volgin. No, the Boss doesn't count because she's a heroic antagonist.
yeah they're all pretty much just their gimmicks, even if they're fun gimmicks.
>tfw no cobras prequel game doing OSS shit with a roster of pulp axis villains
Still better than mgs4 villains.
>MGS4 Villains
There's so much lesbo hentai of them. So much. So wet....
Also, MGS1, while neat, was basically going from the bottom of the map to the top of the map, like an NES/MSX game. The elevator can be considered an optical illusion, since going up or down is just that in a 2D plane.
They're hot but they were shitty bosses.
Laughing octopus was just stupid.
the b&b corps was 100% carried by the model they cast as laughing octopus.
Bosses against each other ends this way
Sniper Wolf>The End
Vulcan Raven>The Fury
M1 Abrams>The Fear
Revolver Ocelot>The Pain
Psycho Mantis>The Sorrow (the dude's already fukken dead)
The Boss>Liquid Snake
Metal Gear Rex>Shagohod
Gray Fox>Volgin
Gray Fox also solos everyone handily
I think it makes more sense to have The Boss fight Gray Fox while Liquid Snake fights Volgin.
You forgot Ocelot from MGS3.
A Gray Fox game would be called Metal Gear Nobody Fricks With Me
Yes, no, if it became close quarters yes, yes
I mean, the only reason why Snake managed to infiltrate Shadow Moses was because everyone was well aware of his presence and letting him in to get intel on how to enable the nukes in metal gear. Fisher goes in solo but has a huge network of glowies and intel enabling him and directing him along the way.
OP is moronic, solo infiltration sabotages and assassinations have happened but are even more moronic than OP in terms of military planning. There are a lot of ninja stories featuring such exploits (which are more moronic than all of the above combined), the premise was likely inspired by those given that kojima (the moronest of all, OP can't even compete) is also a slant
if, and I mean a very big IF, operations comparable to MGS or SC ever happened they're probably still classified and we wont hear about them until we're old men.
stuff like the Norwegian Heavy Water Raid or Simo Hayha doing his thing solo for so long without being caught makes me believe that it could be physically possible, just very improbable.
The story I want to hear is of a spec-ops guy being sent into New Orleans during Katrina to exfiltrate some VIP, without too many casualties while dealing with rape-gangs.
Resident evil 5?
Rape..gangs?
>chocolate city
>floods preventing first responders from responding
I don't know what you'd expect
She used to be so cute
more about that? google is hiding it.
Nta but I recall there were reports of PMCs mainly Blackwater operating in the city at the time to snuff out looters and rioters from reaching rich neighborhoods and important facilities, general lawlessness really. As for honest-to-god spec-ops shit operating there, I have no idea, Blackwater involvement was sus enough though.
You won't, because it never happened. And all that stuff about Chris Kyle on the roof of the Astrodome was bullshit, too.
BULLSHIT! Shadow Moses Island 2010 has been debunked? wtf? how? when? by who?
The patriots
You can say it?
Anon, anyone can type lalilulelo
I figured there'd be a failsafe
La lei lu lei lo? Yeah.
in every single mgs game Snake/Raiden is let through on purpose
Hathwiener infiltrated a base in Laos, shot a NVA HVT, from like 200 yards, and evaded detection.
That's about as close a scenario I'm aware of.
3 underage sandBlack folk got inside a police department in Spain and stole pistols
I mean 47 walked right into the Swedish Consulate in Marrakesh and offed the guy who stole billions from the Moroccans... so it's feasible
>Shoot target in the leg with a .308 rifle
>They fall face first into water that's not even knee deep
>Target instantly drowns to death
>"HQ, I found a body on the ground, it looks like an accident"
>FIVE STARS, SILENT ASSASSIN
b***h he killed the vice president of the U.S. ... in the fricking white house.
Then he had a shootout with a janitor on the roof
47 would be the perfect CIA recruit since their usual go to for new agents are blank slates. They want people who could be anywhere and no one bats an eye. He's not a 6'3 bodybuilder like Reacher, he's a slim guy with average height and almost no discernible traits (except the stupid yet iconic barcode tat)
>Do we know of any published missions or instances in which one man infiltrated a military or government installation, performed sabotage, rescued a hostage, killed a HVT, or did other types of cool shit all by himself or in a small (say less than 3 man) team?
>Also, the rationale for these games is always
>>A single man is harder to spot than a squad, so we're sending you in alone.
>Does that hold true? Is it worth sacrificing the added capabilities of other guys in the squad?
>I suppose if you're in the jungle, bringing sustainment like food and water along with you is kinda pointless because there's plenty of food and water in a rain forest if you know where to look. And if you're trying to avoid combat at all costs, all you'd really need would be a knife, pistol, and basic survival equipment. Would something remotely like Operation Snake Eater be even remotely possible IRL?
>>op is moronic
>I don't care, a man can dream.
this is basically every raid into belgorod
Leo Major liberated a whole town on his own, if that counts.
>small (say less than 3 man) team
MACV-SOG sorta did it throughout the Vietnam war.
>everyone ITT is moronic
they're called singletons
they're probably deployed right now
the ones im aware of are delta
they publicly talk about it on fricking youtube
yea you're all moronic
>Go to movie theater
>Cashier in box office points to sign
>"NO SINGLETONS"
>have to sneak into movie undetected
>don't even enjoy the movie because it's a romcom and everyone else brought their dates
splinter cell is a cartoon in video game form. it is not representative of reality in any sense. Where the government uses disposable troops, it typically pays them badly and hires disgruntled locals it can cheaply arm with surplus military gear, which is why all the cocaine producing south americans seem to have north american hardware.
You can't even compete with the foreign labor anyway, get a more productive hobby than fricking video games.
>It is not representative of reality.
>Proceeds to describe shit the CIA actually does.
Real life isn’t a video game
3>revengence>4>MGS1>peacewalker>5>rusty nails driven through each testicle>MGS2>MG1>MG2
Any other suggestion is wrong.
MGS2 tanker chapter is pretty good.
And it's the game that has the most fun AI room clearing mechanics from the entire series. It's completely scripted for each level but still more enjoyable than from any other game.
MGS2 has the same engine and AI as MGS3, but MGS3 perfected it and is better in literally every way
Just like Skyrim has better and deeper mechanics than Morrowind because it's on an improved version of the same engine?
Engine =/= mechanics.
I played MGS2 again and really didn't like it very much. 1 and 3 are better.
Tanker is good and the mindfrickery at the very end is a saving grace, but everything in between isn't very good.
>mg2 that low on the list
you got filtered by the best game in the series you dumb frick
>MGRR and 4 high
>MGS2 low
You are shit at MGS and got filtered
Usually a guy from an SMU unit would be sent to train a 3rd world military, shit would happen and they take care of business. There are two instances that we know of, Kyle Morgan and Chris Craighead.
Mgs3 and mgs4 are some of the best games ever made.
Beat mgs4 like 15 times on ps3 and still cry like a b***h when I play it.
the closest thing I can think of off the top of my head is this.
Dude Ted Gundarson is one he'll of a rabbit hole
Mgs Peace Walkers is criminally underrated.
Agreed.
Agreed but the ten thousand hide and seek missions with the escaped kgb agent guy got so fricking tiresome it kept me from seeing the real ending to the game
It gets shit on a lot, but I fricking loved Peace Walker.
I honestly think had it been made in the fox engine and gotten the MGSV treatment instead of getting cucked to the PSP it could've been one of the best in the series.
Only game on the psp worth a damn.
Peace walker is trash
Fricking ~~*kojima*~~ pointed and laughed at someone for being an otaku. That gay is the biggest weeb for the West from that shithole island.
Sorry boy I dont speak yapenenese
Ignore reality all you like, it won't change the truth
>performed sabotage, rescued a hostage, killed a HVT, or did other types of cool shit all by himself
Realistically you can't remain unseen long enough to do it covertly. You would have to hide in plain sight using a disguise and a cover story. Look into how security contractors do physical pen testing if you're interested in this stuff.
yeah, they're called spies
I think you are forgetting the man who served as an inspiration to Ian Flemming - that british agent from WWII who did a lot of crazy shit in Norway. Read about it in some book long time ago, that guy was badass.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ripley_(USMC)
This guy was probably the closest thing to a one man job doing the impossible and even then he still had outside support. The notion of a one man operative going behind enemy lines to conduct any sort operation that isn't a suicide bombing is impossible
you're essentially asking about NOCs. These people will deny any involvement with their government if they're caught, so we don't know anything about the secret one man government operations that happen. There aren't any state sanctioned one man infiltration missions to go save hostages or sabotage equipment with c4 in an enemy base, those will require at least 2 men. One man operations are usually more like stealing documents from an embassy/defense department or planting recording devices; or psyops like planting pipe bombs outside the DNC, or setting up a machine gunner's nest overlooking a country music festival in Las Vegas.
Why does this look more spesial ops than special ops?
pic unrel
this pic is rel. really good fairly realistic show about a NOC
probably only things that wouldn't result in a huge firefight if it goes breasts up, read up on the NSA SCS (the direct inspiration for splinter cell)
there was that japanese guy that lived in the jungle setting traps after the war ended for like thirty years
He was killing farmers and peasants though, he wasn't sneaking into Groznyj Grad.
didn’t the DOD pay a retired delta operator to test their security forces?
he showed them how compromised they were by literally breaking into dozens of secured locations and making fools of the guys in charge of protecting nuke facilities without firing a shot.
can’t remember his name
sry i messed up a lot of that.
it was call Red Cell
From my minor research, this doesn't exist anymore militarily.
Red Cells as a concept still exist, but it's mostly Intel analysts unfortunately. The CIA started and maintains a Red Cell Intel analyst program now
Trying to pull off Splinter Cell-style infiltration would just result in you getting shot by a sentry. Don't get me wrong, the games are great fun and all, but being video games, especially ones from the early-2000s, they do have their limitations. One limitation that video games will never be able to truly capture is that human behavior is incredibly unpredictable.
You can use perfect stealth to shadow a bad guy and still be caught at the last second because he
>smelled your sweat
>noticed a gust of wind when you opened vent above him
>heard the creak of a floorboard as you moved around
>saw mud that flaked off your boot
...or maybe his sixth sense kicked in and he just felt that something was off.
Not quite the same, but Neall Ellis (picrel) basically turned the tide of a war by himself.
madlad
A lot of it isn't in the military and a lot of it isn't as elite as you think it is. MGS and Splinter Cell are from two different types of people, someone who likes Hollywood, and someone who had a degree in military history. While Splinter Cell takes a more realistic approach, it's still unrealistic in the fact that there's no single person team in the world that isn't a spy meant to look like a normal person. Realistically Sam would be partnered with at least 3 other guys constantly with 2 more near the extraction site to stay guard. The NSA and CIA however do have "solo" operators who are meant to assist other teams. Usually these guys are meant to be so far from the action their risk of capture or termination is near zero. These people are mostly either at a friendly base or somewhere out of sight and doing zero firefights. Their whole point is to make sure the main team has zero hassle or is alert to when something happens. Think of it as if Snake wasn't a solo unit and more as him breaking into a room so that another team can know if a silent alarm or enemy squad is heading their way.
>No one has brought up Billy Waugh up
How about Sam Fisher?
Unlike Snake who mostly infiltates military bases and war zones, Sam seems to be more about civilian facilities (banks, warehouses, penthouses, mansions, corporate offices, embassies) and the ocasional poorly organised terrorrist camp
Would don't places have smaller and less complex security, that a highly skilled operator backed by a team of competent and well-funded glowies, could manage?
Sams been debunked breh. never happened
Best I can give you is a 6-man team of MACV-SOG conducting raids into Cambodia and facing sometimes facing armies of 30k NVA troops. Single man missions seems like bs, but maybe something something Christopher Lee.
That dude almost took over Rohan, but it was more of a team effort
SADF Reconnaissance wing was doing 2 man reconnaissance patrols up to 200km into Angola. They would wear black if beaituful face cream, or a black balaclava, or use ex guerrillas recruited from 32 battalion. You can read about it in Recce: Small Team Operations Behind Enemy Lines