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The saga of Kampfgruppe Peiper during the Bulge is hilarious. >For the love of Hitler let us just find one fricking bridge that can hold our tanks!!! >FRICKING AMERICANS BLEW THE BRIDGE AND HALF OF OUR MEN WERE ON THE OTHER FRICKING SIDE!!! FRICK, START SWIMMING!!! IGNORE THE HYPOTHERMIA!!!
Skorseny's boys getting mauled was also pretty kino.
>The saga of Kampfgruppe Peiper during the Bulge is hilarious
the tip of the Wehrmacht spear, wandering up and down looking for a bridge
way more embarrassing than Market Garden
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The saga of Kampfgruppe Peiper during the Bulge is hilarious. >For the love of Hitler let us just find one fricking bridge that can hold our tanks!!! >FRICKING AMERICANS BLEW THE BRIDGE AND HALF OF OUR MEN WERE ON THE OTHER FRICKING SIDE!!! FRICK, START SWIMMING!!! IGNORE THE HYPOTHERMIA!!!
Skorseny's boys getting mauled was also pretty kino.
Peiper's boys deserved far worse for Malmedy. Ike should've sent orders to take no prisoners for the remainder of the war.
I mean, orders or not the units that went by malmedy quietly stopped accepting surrenders.
It's almost like being an edgy homosexual and saying "you are a pussy libtard for not murdering prisoners" is actually bad for you. Same with perfidy
I love the enormous sign for "PEANUT BUTTER" at the top right: beloved in North America, yet an object of nausea and loathing in so many other lands. Kind of like American football, now that I think of it.
It's funny that when you look at the guy in picrel during peacetime you'd immediately assume he was slated for some cushy diplomatic gig, but he enlisted for the infantry like a true chad. Goes to show you never can tell, I guess.
10 months ago
Anonymous
He's aristocratic, but he still observes Noblesse Oblige. He knows his duty to his nation and people.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>G.I. Peanut: Brass Balls and a Bayonet at Bastogne
10 months ago
Anonymous
Mr. Peanut got rich by selling his peanut countrymen to hungry humans. Don't fall for the propaganda, he's a collaborator and a traitor to his nation.
10 months ago
Anonymous
It's cuz he's got a real big pair of nuts on him
10 months ago
Anonymous
He's a gentleman and an officer, and as befitting a proper officer he leads his nuts from the front
The Netherlands is basically the sole exception, they love peanut butter because they got it from their Indonesian colonies. You have to keep it mind most of Europe thinks it tastes wierd from a historical lack of exposure to it.
To be honest, I am a bit miffed with America's habit of setting up entire American shopping districts within their own bases. Doesn't do much for the local economy if the money's just circulating back to corporate pockets back home.
It has to be done otherwise the untrustable tards will flow into the local public uncontrolled and reek havok keeping it as a reward for the more responsable reduces problems.
In general people will go off base when they can for local bars ect but last thing you want is every private leaving the base daily to get food and supplies.
Also alot of the onbase stores are ran by locals to help contribute to the local economy.
imagine being a captured japanese soldier having starved in some jungly uninhabited island for years and getting to see fricking ice cream barges rolling in.
>last time you are was last week >a handful of rice and three ounces of Corporal Nishimuro who was shredded by a Hellcat >gaijin are on the beach chopping watermelons that were picked last week in Texas >they're using a sword taken from the body of General Buttufricko >that sword is 1,000 years old and belonged to Emperor Mojo Jojo >it was worshipped as a god and now they're chopping melons with it > a landing craft beaches itself and gaijin begin unloading gallons of ice cream and whole sides of beef >they have ham and they have turkey and they have caviar, and long, tall glasses of wine up to yar
You jest, but many very old Katanas, including ones that were worshipped in Shinto temples, went into occupation jeeps and haven't been accounted for since. Jap godswords are collecting dust in various attics, and it's only a matter of time until one finds its way to Pawn Stars.
>Almost self replicating
Frick, could you imagine? You're sending hordes of your youth to their deaths in a vain attempt to take down a ship, any ship, by any means necessary up to and including suicide attacks and that one pesky, bloated looking ship just over the horizon keeps pooping out more and more of them
Yammato told the ruling council essentially the same thing. He had spent years living in the United States as the Imperial Navy Attaché. He was fluent in english, took classes at Harvard, and toured the country, visiting the navy yards of New York, the vast foundries of Pittsburg, ect. He knew there was no way his country could fight against the sheer weight of American industry.
And he was treated well too, local restaurants and clubs loved having the photo op of this “nobel samurai” in their establishment with his dress uniform and sword.
What I’m saying in is there is a timeline where Yamamoto launches a coup against the morons in the name of the Emperor, and we get an ameriboo Japan instead of a weeaboo US.
>USS Mommy, the Progenitor-class maternity ship could produce 3 mechanized divisions per shift >88 obsolete aircraft carriers were parceled up into farms, ranches and suburbia >USS St. Luis would supply the troops with 70,000 negresses every day, who would serve as comfort women
Reminds me of the stories during the battle of Manila and how the locals, not having seen US forces since 1941 were awestruck by how fast it took the Red Cross and Army aid workers to setup food stands and constantly brewing coffee, to the point it caused a panic and hoarding problem when the coffee ran out for a few minutes(Army was waiting for a supply shipment to arrive). When the prisoners held at Santo Tomas arrived, they were surprised as to the increased quality of Army rations consisting of hash and eggs. That being said, with the context of Santo Tomas, it probably must have been with how much they were starving.
With how conditions were for a lot of infantrymen, a lot of them went nine to 12 months without a meal from a field kitchen and relied heavily on the K rations.
The Japanese had been spreading propaganda in the POW camps that the allies had been defeated in the western front and that Germany was sending expeditionary forces to the east.
When the Americans finally broke through into Luzon and began liberating the POW camps, the prisoners were terrified because of all the gear and equipment upgrades from 1941 that they were Germans coming to liquidate the camps.
Yep. There's a few confirmed stories of prisoners trying to beat up Rangers at the Cabanatuan raid and then stopping once they heard the accents. It's almost like time stopped in that part of the world in 1941 for a lot of people.
Here's the Philippine Scouts, the USAAFFE(US Army Air Forces in the Far East, someone correct me if I screwed up the acronym.) in 1941-1942. Note the Brody helmet and the khaki HBT uniform.
Here's a photo of MacArthur coming onto Lingayen Gulf in 1945 escorted by Philippine guerillas and US troops. Note the M1 helmet and that the Army switched to the olive green color that's more commonly known.
>44 >by '44
Check'd. Meanwhile, the '44 Wehrmacht was digging out anything that could shoot out of storage.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>but they were so close to taking over bro just one more year bro if they just did [insert cope here] they would've won bro,
11 months ago
Anonymous
Just one more blitzkrieg with a heavily depleted Wehrmacht that no longer has anything close to its '39-41 capabilities! We'll reach Baku/Kursk/Antwerp/wherever the fugg Steiner was supposed to go!
11 months ago
Anonymous
Steiner and his corps will return from buying cigarettes at the corner store any day now.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Steiner returned to Nuremburg under his own power.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>he doesn't believe in the hanebu saucers.
ngmi
10 months ago
Anonymous
>"Mein Fuhrer... Steiner... when the falls fell..."
10 months ago
Anonymous
God that was such a good fricking episode. A lot of TNG just bleeds together in my mind but that one really stands out and I haven't watched that show in well over a decade.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>unleashed death squads to systematically hunt down and murder israelites and other minorities
Citation needed
10 months ago
Anonymous
No, no, those were pretty well recorded. Where do you think all the Nazi Gold came from?
Yeah. The airtime on the Saigon rollercoaster is renowned by coaster enthusiasts to this day and the Da Nang log flume was used as a recruiting tool by the DoD.
>Get thai'd, you're talking to a tourist> >Whose every move's among the purest> >I get my kicks above the waistline, sunshine>
Wow this song is even gayer than I remember.
No it's because a volcano erupted near the base and it was evacuated, and after the all clear we let them turn it into a civilian airport
Sometime in the 90s, the Philippine government raised the price of the lease to a ridiculous amount (I might be misremembering how ridiculous) and US walked away. It was probably equal parts extortion and anti-US sentiment; the government was less than a decade old after ousting a US-backed dictator/president-for-life, and without the USSR there wasn't a pressing need to align with any great power.
Aside from the geopolitical concerns, though, it was an awful economic waste (or the "cost" of stepping away from the US, from another point of view) because a lot of local business in the region was reliant not just on being an R&R destination, but on supporting repair and maintenance.
>after ousting a US-backed dictator/president-for-life
In fairness we also helped depose him since around the point of the Reagan administration we kinda decided having Marcos around was more trouble than he was worth.
Subic Bay too. It was still a pretty killer time back in 2018. Haven’t been since. I’ve sailed with some old timers (USMM) that were Navy back when they had the base in Subic. The stories I’ve heard are amazing and disgusting and I wish I’d been there for it.
It must have been a shock to the system, I was born in 87 so I don't remember. It always struck me as, "We can have good things and still be communist guys."
Yeah, but it's funny to see the head of Communism shilling for Capitalism. Imagine the first time a tankie saw that ad.
what's "funny" is the state of USSR supermarkets in 1991
11 months ago
Anonymous
"When I saw those shelves crammed with hundreds, thousands of cans, cartons and goods of every possible sort, for the first time I felt quite frankly sick with despair for the Soviet people..."
11 months ago
Anonymous
>mfw jello pudding pops
10 months ago
Anonymous
>those Trix popsicles
10 months ago
Anonymous
>sir we are having minor logistical issues >well lets split our country and our entire international trade network that ought to fix it
All of these are the same ingredients with different packaging. A combination of soi, corn and wheat.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Khrushchev simped for some american corn grower so ordered people to grow it but soviets didn't know how so yields were bad plus different breeds of corn were mixed so cold resistant ones went where they weren't needed etc etc. Also they tried to grow it up north because of orders. Later on kolkhozes just lied about their yields and whole food industry hit the fan (even harder).
10 months ago
Anonymous
Any more stories from 1960?
10 months ago
Anonymous
Sure, how about this one which will make a lot of people seethe. Crimea wasn't given to ukraine just because Khrushchev wanted it. Process for it started before he got to power and happened when he still didn't have full power as for the decision that russian ssr to give away land to ukrainian ssr had to be confirmed by the USSR supreme soviet which meant other c**ts had to agree. Now reason why they wanted to give Crimea away was because 1. it was disconnected from russian SSR. 2. All logistics for it were dependant on russian ssr such as healthcare or supplying it with food etc etc. 3. Ukranian ssr is connected to it and is doing pretty well. 4 maybe khrushchev played for favors as he was the ex leader of the ukranian supreme soviet. In a nutshell it was a economical thing that started before him and causes a lot of butthurt to this day.
10 months ago
Anonymous
10 months ago
Anonymous
>minor logistical issues
Funny how all commies end up having these same "minor logistical issues" that, at best, leave them with empty shelves, or at worst leaves them with mass graves.
10 months ago
Anonymous
The Soviet economy was not suffering minor logistical issues and the Soviet union imploded the nanosecond it stopped responding to liberal reforms and things like voting with tanks you gaylord.
It died, its a good thing it died, its not coming back, get over it grandpa.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah sure, if you ignore the citrus, the cocoa, the strawberry, blueberry, cherry, the milk, the oils, and everything else in that ice cream alone, without even touching the absolute leviathan of logistic marvels behind it, and really, really need to stick to reductio ad absurdum.
10 months ago
Anonymous
It's hard not to feel a little sympathy for the ol' boy. That's the exact moment where his entire Weltanschauung shattered and he realized the Soviet propaganda wasn't just fudging the numbers a little, or even a lot; it was flat out lies all the way down. Every deprivation of the postwar period had been for nothing.
Poor guy never seemed quite the same after that little excursion as I recall.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>b-bbut you are trannie with inflation, Black folk and israelites!!! Ahhhh!!!
10 months ago
Anonymous
all true
11 months ago
Anonymous
Oh, don't worry. It's about to get much worse.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Somehow this looks even worse than the looted and stripped out shops you see just after disasters and riots. At least those shops are in that state due to unusual once-in-a-lifetime events.
For these poor mofos, it's an everyday fact of life.
>it's funny to see the [former] head of Communism shilling for Capitalism
Much like the ice cream boats, it was more than just a flex. It was the ultimate victory lap.
a German tank ace got captured in '45 by an American tank crew. He wrote in his memoirs that at that moment he knew the war was lost, because the Americans would just leave the tank idling all the time without being reprimanded.
true, but at the same time he was pretty much going full schizo by that point while everybody around him was just waiting for the inevitable conclusion of said schzio cope
>attack the Soviets out of nowhere.
It wouldn’t be “out of nowhere”. Patton has been proved correct with time and we should have re-armed the Germans and marched on Moscow. But FDR was a dirty commie himself and sent them a shitload of supplies through lend lease
This reminds me of Operation Cowboy. >Wehrmacht is breeding Lipizzaners at a secret farm in Czechoslovakia >Soviets and Americans are both advancing on it >the Russians will massacre the horses in typical fashion if they get their hands on them >the Germans at the farm, the Americans, and a bunch of random POWs team up >SS attacks them >manage to repel the assaults and ride a bunch of pregnant mares into US controlled territory
The heer apparently had a low opinion of the SS during the battle of the bulge
Heer were used to fighting the Americans by that point but the SS had just arrived and used the tried and tested Eastern front playbook
And while the heer would usually forgo things like opening barrages the SS learned the hard way what US counter-battery fire was capable of
11 months ago
Anonymous
nah that's just "we wuz professional soldiers n shyet, not them cruel incompetent nazis" cope
the Heer were pretty limp dicked against the Americans in Dec 44 as well
11 months ago
Anonymous
>nah that's just "we wuz professional soldiers n shyet, not them cruel incompetent nazis" cope
They liked to call it the "Clean Wehrmacht"
11 months ago
Anonymous
The heer apparently had a low opinion of the SS during the battle of the bulge
Heer were used to fighting the Americans by that point but the SS had just arrived and used the tried and tested Eastern front playbook
And while the heer would usually forgo things like opening barrages the SS learned the hard way what US counter-battery fire was capable of
The saga of Kampfgruppe Peiper during the Bulge is hilarious. >For the love of Hitler let us just find one fricking bridge that can hold our tanks!!! >FRICKING AMERICANS BLEW THE BRIDGE AND HALF OF OUR MEN WERE ON THE OTHER FRICKING SIDE!!! FRICK, START SWIMMING!!! IGNORE THE HYPOTHERMIA!!!
Skorseny's boys getting mauled was also pretty kino.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Amazes me that American troops didn't skin Peiper alive for Malmedy. The fact that he *lived* and was let off the hook after the war is insane.
Castel Itter is the fun one, with Burgers, Frog POWs, Austrian resistence, Wehrmacht, and I think a handful of SS all fighting off a large SS attack.
In Czechoslovakia the Free Russian division fought off SS that went on a murder rampage.
11 months ago
Anonymous
The last Crow Indian war chief earned that status by, among other things, stealing horses from the SS.
Franz Stigler, a German pilot, escorted a damaged B-17 back to neutral territory, because he'd been told never to kill a man in a parachute and figured the plane was so heavily damaged, he would have been doing essentially the same thing by shooting it down.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I like how the author of that picture put considerable amount of skill and effort into drawing threads so obviously unusable that a child can see how they'd send that tank halfway to Earth's core before moving it forward.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Joe Medicine Crow was a great guy
Good thing the Germans were logisticslets who still relied on horses, otherwise he'd have to steal a opel and try to argue it's the same thing
Castel Itter is the fun one, with Burgers, Frog POWs, Austrian resistence, Wehrmacht, and I think a handful of SS all fighting off a large SS attack.
In Czechoslovakia the Free Russian division fought off SS that went on a murder rampage.
https://i.imgur.com/MoyiqA4.jpg
The last Crow Indian war chief earned that status by, among other things, stealing horses from the SS.
Franz Stigler, a German pilot, escorted a damaged B-17 back to neutral territory, because he'd been told never to kill a man in a parachute and figured the plane was so heavily damaged, he would have been doing essentially the same thing by shooting it down.
>/misc/ larps like nazi germany was some sort of based heaven. >In reality it was a stardard third world corrupt dictatorship where the average person was just drafted into fighting.
I miss when the west had a nuanced view of the germans citizens until like late 2000's.
Now its hurr durr everyone was evil for not immeditatly betraying them instead of a bunch of normies trapped in a shit situation.
Honestly I have the same view of any forceably mobilized russians.
11 months ago
Anonymous
We did and still do.
It's just that nobody's fooling us with the "Clean Wehrmacht" meme, which at its most extreme holds that "we wuz jez followin orders". That is bullshit. Most of the Wehrmacht absolutely relished paying back France and Britain for the humiliation of Versailles - no patriot worth his salt wouldn't be itching to get some payback, picrel. I have even less regard frankly for someone who was that indifferent (see: WW2 French) as those Germans liked to claim.
11 months ago
Anonymous
https://i.imgur.com/Q9r9D7B.jpg
We did and still do.
It's just that nobody's fooling us with the "Clean Wehrmacht" meme, which at its most extreme holds that "we wuz jez followin orders". That is bullshit. Most of the Wehrmacht absolutely relished paying back France and Britain for the humiliation of Versailles - no patriot worth his salt wouldn't be itching to get some payback, picrel. I have even less regard frankly for someone who was that indifferent (see: WW2 French) as those Germans liked to claim.
The reason we're in clown world is because we used the internet to make jokes of our reality, and then reality became our jokes. A more meta version of the "idiots in good company" problem.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>we used the internet to make jokes of our reality, and then reality became our jokes
yeah kinda
memes began as jokes, but people started taking them seriously
as they grew in popularity they also started reflecting the most popular opinions, ie those of the lowest common denominator, ie the stupidest and least informed
and here we are today >we are prisoners in a memeworld of our own device
11 months ago
Anonymous
It's actually not all bad, fren, culture just hasn't caught up yet. It actually makes it easier to sell good ideas to people who don't have the patience to learn the concepts that make it a good idea.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Biggest example being the QAnon shit. Only the most schizo people on /misc/ actually took it really seriously, most just saw it as entertainment. But boomers on Facebook sharing that shit with their wino aunt? They treat it like gospel
10 months ago
Anonymous
I'm almost certain Q is a foreign psyop. Just kind of disappointed how many morons fall for it.
10 months ago
Anonymous
a good portion were genuine morons, but don't underestimate the number of people who lack the introspection and awareness of their own base psychology i.e. succumbing to the desire to blame something (anything) else or doing the most ridiculous shit to comfort themselves instead of directing their energies to at least attempting to solve the problem
11 months ago
Anonymous
https://i.imgur.com/luBF8zb.png
>we used the internet to make jokes of our reality, and then reality became our jokes
yeah kinda
memes began as jokes, but people started taking them seriously
as they grew in popularity they also started reflecting the most popular opinions, ie those of the lowest common denominator, ie the stupidest and least informed
and here we are today >we are prisoners in a memeworld of our own device
Politics is downstream of culture and culture is downstream of PrepHole (and now other social media). You see the exact same behavior here applied writ large, and similar shit with twitter or tumblr or whatever.
https://i.imgur.com/cbf0yez.png
>report your jeep is broken >Get new jeep >Fix-it-freddy scrappy scruffy fricker in your unit fixes the jeep with some twine, a log, and a french duck. >Now you have two jeep
broke is wehrmacht vgh womanly fashion love
woke is soviet ideological love
bespoke is loving the dirty disheveled but plucky average GI Joe.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>nazi germany >3rd world
what?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Rig generals into infighting each other with private armies.
Each branch justfies thier own private infantry tanks aircraft rendering the point of having a airforce SS army ect moot.
Waste money on moronic wunderwaffens that look cool but actually do nothing relvent to the war.
Use MEFO bills and rack up such a stupid amount of debt where annexing neighbors is the only way to prevent an economic implosion.
Justfiy invasion by claiming your protecting x group.
Anger for losing some war and regaining what was lost is main motivator for politics.
It really is just Russia, Iraq, Turkey, and China.
11 months ago
Anonymous
In hindsight they could have stayed as a republic and gotten away with the anschluss and rhineland. No point in sudetenland annexation, it is better to have good ties with czechoslovakia to arm eastern and northern europe against the USSR at a sustainable rate that doesnt make you collapse like the MEFO scam.
11 months ago
Anonymous
It wasn't. Germany was able to wars despite all the cards being turned against them, with technical innovation alone. >Literally in the middle of enemies, surrounded from every side with some sort of superpower >Zero useful ressources >No natural defense lines like rivers cliffs and mountains
And yet they came up with a way to turn air into explosives and then coal into oil and somehow managed to wage a war on entire world.
Meanwhile commies had all the ressources in the world and they would have lost if not for mutts.
And mutts have it even easier, not only they got all the ressources in the world as well, but they are also surrounded by ocean making them uninvadable
11 months ago
Anonymous
mountains to the south, sea to the north and west. lots of coal, steel and other lovely stuff. very nice river systems.
11 months ago
Anonymous
They could of just tried not being morons took that same resourcesfulness and do economic tech and trade.
The third worlder mentality was hey everyone disarmed lets go loot shit.
Had they not been morons they could of unironically been the first one into space.
Or been the first to invent jet engines.
Instead they chimped out invaded everyone.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Entire post-worth of cope.
Germany wasn't a barren shithole devoid of natural resources.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>No oil >No ammonia >No colonies
But hey you can surely power all the tanks with coal amirite?
10 months ago
Anonymous
>What was the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact
10 months ago
Anonymous
During 2, ww more than 50% of German fuel came from coal liquefaction.
What pact you moron? During a war right after?
10 months ago
Anonymous
1. You moron, those statistics are from 1944, near the end of the war.
2. Putting that aside, having to import more than half of your fuel supplies is a catastrophic situation during war.
3. The main import sources were the USSR and Romania, specifically its northeastern part, which the Soviets claimed ownership over.
4. Which is one of the main reasons Hitler HAD to invade, since all it took to break the back of his war effort was a quick hop across the border for the Soviets. In other words, they had him by the balls since the very beginning.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Romanian oil primarily came from the south part, Wallachia, Ploeisti specifically. Not a part that Russia claimed.
Also, Hitler strong-armed Romania into ceding territory to the Soviets in order to keep the Molotov-Ribbentrop intact as long as needed.
Lastly, Romanian and Hungarian oil never was quite enough for Axis needs.
10 months ago
Anonymous
1. You moron, those statistics are from 1944, near the end of the war.
2. Putting that aside, having to import more than half of your fuel supplies is a catastrophic situation during war.
3. The main import sources were the USSR and Romania, specifically its northeastern part, which the Soviets claimed ownership over.
4. Which is one of the main reasons Hitler HAD to invade, since all it took to break the back of his war effort was a quick hop across the border for the Soviets. In other words, they had him by the balls since the very beginning.
Also the USSR provided the III Reich with every raw resource under the Sun, including ridiculous amounts of grains, copper, iron etc.
The Nazi war machine by itself was hilariously weak - the Soviets had to invade Poland on September 17 mostly because the German armies were already running out of fuel and ammunition. Guderian in his journals stated it plainly - if the invasion dragged on, in full intensity, for another month, or even shorter if the French actually attacked, they would be completely fricked.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Are you moronic? The whole point of their alliance with the USSR was that the latter were supplying the Reich with ridiculous amounts of resources.
10 months ago
Anonymous
this Black person doesnt know shit about ww1 much less 2.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Surrounded by enemies >Helpless Denmark to the North >France that focuses completely on defense to the West >Neutral Belgium and Netherlands >Allied Italy to the South >Puppet Czechia and Slovakia to the East >Allied USSR to the East
Hmm... it's almost as if Poland was the only country they knew would honor the defensive pacts with France.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Well actually it was less their technology and more the fact that German soldiers (and most of the European Axis too) were simply superior to everyone they were fighting
10 months ago
Anonymous
Or... I know this a wild thought, but just hear me out on this one... Maybe it was both of these
10 months ago
Anonymous
Well yes but it was mostly the quality of their soldiers
10 months ago
Anonymous
Hitler could have stopped after retaking the rhinelands, he should have spent much more time emphasizing the threat the soviets posed to the rest of the world. Retaking the rhine would have been enough to appease most of the populace except for the diehards that wanted revenge and turned hitler into a hero.
Though i think even if hitler had not decided to push past the rhine mussolini would have moronic the planet into ww3 in his own.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>mussolini would have moronic the planet into ww3 in his own.
Why do you say that? Not talking shit, just genuinely want to know more. Don't hear much about il duce
10 months ago
Anonymous
I only know a little bit but after seeing hitler take the rhine with 0 reaction from the allies Mussolini threw italy into some moronic shit against nearly all of his generals saying italy was no where near ready to be doing anything major, the infrastructure wasn't in place, they just didn't have the equipment to do anything major.
Same with germany at the time, if the allies had decided to react and had attacked germany after hitler retook the rhine, germany would have folded. Everyone was too busy dealing with their economies fricking imploding and communists trying to commie almost every nation along with being absolutely terrified of getting drug into another major war after only 30 years of attempted rebuilding after the last shit show.
I don't think germany would have been able to last a month if the allies had reacted to the rhine, kind of a interesting "what if" scenario to think about what would of occurred in that situation. My bet would have been Stalin would have invaded europe at some point.
10 months ago
Anonymous
To expand and actually answer the question to the best i can; Mussolini was fricking moronic.
He was 100% on the belief that he was going to enact the return of the roman empire and was going to end up doing moronic shit even without the support of Germany.
Seeing Germany get rolled if the allies had actually done the correct thing would have given him pause, but the man was fricking nuts, he was going to drag Italy into doing something ungodly stupid one way or another.
Watching the allies do nothing after germany took the rhine unopposed just triggered him into being stupid sooner rather than later.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Marshall Piłsudski, the de facto leader of Poland, proposed a joint invasion to France as a response.
10 months ago
Anonymous
The German economy was spiralling into collapse. He literally had to start a war.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Germany would have recovered faster if they hadn't gone to war.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Germany would have collapsed if they hadn't gone to war.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Only because they were preparing for the war in the first place. If they had just rebuilt after WW1, they could have paid down even the terms of the Versailles treaty. Their main problem is that they couldn't swallow that defeat.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>well the loss doesn't count because they didn't lose in an honorable 1 on 1 way and they were outnumbered and outgunned and their wunderwaffen were really wunderful!
Lol
The one I read was about a German HQ that got nabbed in Tunisia. While they were waiting to be packed to the rear a GI showed up and plunked a 5-in-1 ration at their feet. Lunch time. While they sat and ate what was possibly the best field ration at the time with chocolate, smokes, nescafe, the whole nine-yards they watched an endless stream of GMC trucks hauling more supplies forward. Everyone knew then that Germany was absolutely totally and completely fricked.
>. While they sat and ate what was possibly the best field ration at the time with chocolate, smokes, nescafe, the whole nine-yards they watched an endless stream of GMC trucks hauling more supplies forward
the C-rat and K-rat probably dont get enough credit for being the forerunner of the modern MRE
up until this time, most forces still used WW1 style iron rations consisting of tinned meat, tinned biscuits, and for the germans a packet of pea soup stock
at most you would get some salt packets and toilet paper in the accessory bag
and they while issued 1 per soldier you werent intended to eat them individually, you surrendered your iron ration to the cook or the CO and they were all prepared in the field to be portioned back out
the C-ration and K-ration changed the game by having an all-in-one ration with entree, desert, bread, coffee, stimulants (candy, chocolate, coffee, cigarettes, etc.) and accessory packet in a single self-contained unit
with the additional benefit that each soldier was able to just eat the contents warm or cold by himself, no need to prepare it first other than heating it up to be more palatable
germans ended up copying the K-ration due to its sheer convenience though too late to be widely deployed
as much as GIs liked to complain about the C-rations monotony it had the widest menu available of WW2 rations
eventually including not just basic stews but would eventually have things like spaghetti or ham & eggs
on Japanese ships in late 1800s, the limiting factor for how long a patrol/deployment could be wasn't fuel or supplies, but how long the crew could exist onboard before too many sailors developed beriberi. Non-officers would only get white rice to eat and maybe some curry for it like once a week.
The story I know is that it's a case of science policy gone wrong. Because germ theory was one of the bleeding edge "quantum physics" sciences of the time, people were too willing to blame germs for any illness. The Japanese navy blamed lack of sanitation for causing beriberi and made the sailors clean the decks over and over until the problem was solved (it wasn't). In hindsight, it's really obvious that malnutrition can also be a source of illness, especially since they also knew about scurvy (and at the time the British didn't realize that pasteurization destroyed the vitamin C in their juice rations, but voyages were now too fast for scurvy to develop). But "unified science theory that us civilized folk believe in" is just too blindingly radiant.
There was also a thing where the lower ranks sometimes had a choice between cheaper brown rice (or barley?) and more expensive white rice, I suppose when at port. But they always went for the white rice because the other stuff that had B-vitamins were for poor country folk and they proud of being modern urbanized men.
to be fair to the japs, they were pretty quick to find out the source of beri-beri and find a cure for it
the solution was initially to add millet to their rations, which proved ineffective as the sailors preferred pure white rice
later it was to force millet/rice mixes as their main diet and that did the trick, and beri-beri cases plummeted
10 months ago
Anonymous
I often wonder how people from the past figured shit like this out, but hey maybe that's why I'm not a pathologist
10 months ago
Anonymous
Observation and following the cravings probably; you see a ship serving white rice and a different ship serving brown rice then notice the brown rice ship isn’t suffering beri-beri then try it out. Or, the men start craving a particular food and eating it makes them feel better so you load up.
10 months ago
Anonymous
That makes sense. Survival instinct is an incredible thing
10 months ago
Anonymous
That makes sense. Survival instinct is an incredible thing
Observation, trial and error.
The way people have done it for millennia.
That's why it takes so long to invent anything - you deal with a lot of correlations.
Also, that's why ancient methods tend to look so close to the solution, but don't actually get at it - correlations mistaken for causation.
For example, armies across the world thinking that swamp air is poisonous and causes disease, when actually it is the insects thriving in the swamp which are carriers of disease.
>Survival instinct
not really. "Cravings" are not a reliable indicator of anything.
10 months ago
Anonymous
p.s. before they realised that barley is the solution, the Japs thought curry was the answer. and that's why they introduced British curry to the Navy.
once again, mistaking correlation for causation.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>"Cravings" are not a reliable indicator of anything.
this a million times. intuitive eating is bullshit
Cargo Cults, man. When the US showed up to primitive societies with it's largesse they spontaneously formed religions around it because they thought they were being visited by the Gods.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Can you tell us more about cargo cults? Wiki only has SJW bullshit and doesn't provide examples
10 months ago
Anonymous
google "John Frum"
10 months ago
Anonymous
>google "John Frum"
NTA but damn, I haven't thought about that in years. That was a total trip down the rabbit hole when I was a younger man and still thought the world ran on logical rules.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>John Frum"
What the actual frick
10 months ago
Anonymous
Fricking kek, I have read about cargo cults but never heard of this. >WW1 fighters are the foundational myth of John Frum >religion is dying out >WW2 starts and Frum returns >China proxy wars over island nations due to kick off soon >Frum is back
At this point we should just time our island wars to frick with them.
10 months ago
Anonymous
There was a German pilot who crash landed his airplane in China during the Battle of Tsingtao in WW1 and managed to get help and escape the siege by convincing the peasants whose rice paddy he crashed into that he was a god fighting an evil dragon.
I forgot his name but his entire story is nuts.
>While they were waiting to be packed to the rear a GI showed up and plunked a 5-in-1 ration at their feet. Lunch time.
That's some metal gear shit lol
The one I read was about a German HQ that got nabbed in Tunisia. While they were waiting to be packed to the rear a GI showed up and plunked a 5-in-1 ration at their feet. Lunch time. While they sat and ate what was possibly the best field ration at the time with chocolate, smokes, nescafe, the whole nine-yards they watched an endless stream of GMC trucks hauling more supplies forward. Everyone knew then that Germany was absolutely totally and completely fricked.
I love accounts like that. >Kraut/Spaghetti/rare captured Sushi gets driven through massive allied supply depot on route to POW camp >despair.axis
I love this kind of story.
I remember some documentary with German POWs, and they talked at length about the train ride from the East Coast all the way to the internment camp in the Arizona Desert. The US drew blackout shades in strategically sensitive regions, but most of the time they let the prisoners get sunshine and fresh air.
The Germans initially thought all those wheat fields in Kansas were some sort of trick, that the Yankees were driving in circles to make the arable land look bigger than it really was. Then they saw all the oil derricks in just one corner of Texas.
By the time they got into the internment camp, even the die-hards had thousand-yard stares: natural resource-wise, the United States simply wasn't operating on the same scale as everything in Europe combined. They could lose a million tons of shipping to U-Boats every month in early 1943 then go on to fund the Soviets and British both, and *still* have enough left over to be magnanimous to captured soldiers.
Direct consequence of Homestead Act. >free land, provided you can make it productive in x number years >hundreds of thousands of Burgers head west and snatch up land >some fail, many succeed, America grows rich from newly opened west >helps create a thriving middle class of inventors, mechanics, craftsmen, etc. to build a robust, innovative economy >this pays massive dividends for the Allies in both wars
Meanwhile, the commie approach is to kill anyone with half a brain or any talent.
>the Homestead Act
An absolute geopolitical masterstroke. >have tons of land >a lot of it's frozen to shit >steel plow just been invented >frick it, we'll outsource the problem >first Scandinavian immigrants get a glimpse of Nebraska, Wisconsin and Minnesota >immediately writing letters home >"Is beautiful lands literally for free, and winters are of so much milder than back home, ja. Get onto boat right NOW, no telling how long dis will last; Americans are goings to come to dere senses sooner or later don'tcha know."
And a hundred and fifty years later that's the reason Herbie Husker looks the way he does. (And why Wisconsin regards "liquor laws" as more "liquor suggestions", lol.)
And yet those frozen lands produce abundant grain, vegetables, dairy, and meat.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Exactly, once you get somebody motivated enough to plow through the permafrost. Compared to the hardscrabble farming in Sweden and Norway at the time, the Midwest really must have looked like the Land of Opportunity.
My grandma grew up on a farm in Oklahoma during the war, and they got some German POWs from a nearby camp to help out as labor, so she was able to talk to them about life outside the dust bowl.
She said when the Germans first started working on her farm they would always have one or two guys posted as lookouts and not doing any work. My grandma asked one of them what they were doing one day, and he said that he was watching for signs of an Indian raid. Apparently German cartoons and movies still portrayed the wild west as something that was going on, and the Germans were terrified of being scalped by an Apache.
Tornadoes and plains lightning storms also scared the shit out of them at first, but they figured things out quickly enough.
Damn, that's wild.
As recently as the 1970s, there were people in other US states who -- with a completely straight face -- would ask Arizonans and New Mexicans if they rode a horse to school.
>they would always have one or two guys posted as lookouts and not doing any work. My grandma asked one of them what they were doing one day, and he said that he was watching for signs of an Indian raid. Apparently German cartoons and movies still portrayed the wild west as something that was going on, and the Germans were terrified of being scalped by an Apache.
Kek, bless them
Kek this used to be my old reporting station for drill while I was a nasty girl
I knew it was an internment camp, but I never looked further into it. Funny to have been somewhere so interesting and hating it the entire time.
There's a museum onsite, maybe I should visit it before I move out of state some time.
>By contrast, the Camp Papago Park escapees were limited to bread and water rations for as many days as they were absent from camp. None of the American guards was seriously punished, but the FBI launched an investigation into lax security at Arizona's prisoner of war camps.[4][7]
I hate glowBlack folk so much it's unreal
https://legionmagazine.com/en/the-happiest-prisoners/
Nice article about German POWs in Canada during WWII. Apparently they were treated very well by guards (many of them were WWI veterans) and many returned after the war.
related >The decision to have a prisoner of war labour project in Riding Mountain National Park was the result of a fuelwood shortage in the winter of 1942 and 1943. To free up men for the war effort it was decided that German prisoners of war would be employed.[1] The majority of the prisoners were former members of the Afrika Korps, sent to Canada after being captured in battles like the Second Battle of El Alamein in North Africa.[3] >Internees were paid 50 cents per day to cut down trees; prisoners were allowed to use their wages to order from the Eaton's catalogue.[4][5] On one occasion, the prisoners threatened to strike because "pyjamas they'd ordered from the Eaton's catalogue failed to arrive on time" (they thought the guards might have stolen the order).
I mean in a way they're right to be afraid of native Americans, just for the wrong reasons. Not sure how deadly dangerous the code talkers were but I imagine they'd be very secretive if they suddenly saw a German in America asking what they were up to.
My grandfather was drafted and worked as an aircraft mechanic during the war. At one point he was stationed somewhere in Texas, he loves telling this story. >one commanding officer is kinda batshit, loves flying helicopters
Keep in mind the only helicopter around is the fricking Sikorsky R-4, which is a rickety deathtrap if there ever was one. >rolls up one day >"Is this helicopter ready to fly?" >"Probably, sir." >"Would you trust it?" >"Probably, sir." >"Prove it, get in." >cue joyride >halfway through the joyride, helicopter begins to overheat >CO touches down in the middle of a watermelon farm, grandpa starts working on it >farmer comes to check on them >grandpa fixes helicopter, CO offers to take the farmer up to inspect his fields from the air >farmer is very thankful, grandpa and CO take him around >farmer is so thankful he offers to let them load up the helicopter with watermelons >grandpa and CO return to base with hundreds of watermelons, tell the kitchen good news, we found dessert for tonight! >kitchen starts b***hing, they can't serve warm watermelons >nearby pilots overhear, offer to solve the problem >B-29 has just been maintained, needs a shakedown flight >pilots fill the plane full of watermelons, take it up to 30k ft and fly figure-eights for an hour >watermelons are now ice cold >kitchen is happy >grandfather says those were the best watermelons he's ever had
How cool of an experience would that have been for the farmer. Helicopters were bleeding-edge technology at the time. It would be like a skunkworks prototype landing in your yard and the pilot invites you up for a ride for the hell of it.
>the true eldtich horror isn't some ancient diety from a bygone era >or some impossible creature >or a living idea that warps whoever finds it >its simply the scale of US logistics
To unify opposites in a manner that transcends logic is the Yankee Way. The wise fool as nation-state, ridiculous and yet awe-inspiring, both a shining ideal and a cautionary tale, simultaneously. >"Consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds."
The joke that so many Americans are fat as frick can only work if they have enough to eat. Whereas in absolute shit tier countries you know exactly who the corrupt fricks are because they're the only ones that don't look like they've been starving their entire lives. Or aren't dead from gutter oil.
Actually, ice cream is the rum ration. Didn't want drunk sailors, still wanted a morale-booster, so starting in the early 20th Century all navy ships had the ability to store ice cream. I blame influence from the Wisconsin dairy ~~*merchants*~~.
Didn't you have to be like on a carrier or cruiser for the food to be this good? I feel like anything smaller and the kitchen required would take up too much space on the ship.
The food slowly gets worse and worse the longer you are at sea, though the vegetables and fruits aren't bad with the introduction of flash freezing, some vessels still tend to get mostly canned vegetables instead of frozen. Your voyage always starts with fresh veg and meat. After the freshest foods are gone, you switch to stuff that's frozen or lasts a little longer. Then a month or so in you're eating canned/frozen vegetables, powdered potatoes, powdered eggs, etc, some ships also supplement with fish caught in the sea, and the cooks occasionally restock in foreign ports. Ships also have bakeries so the bread is always fresh, Starbucks, Dunkin', etc.
It isn't bad at all, honestly. The worst thing I ever ate on a ship was powdered eggs and sausage that was freezer burnt with a bagel. The guys who really suffer with rations are the ground pounders, and even then MREs aren't atrocious in combat conditions.
All things considered that seems pretty solid. Yeah it’s not normal life food but for being at sea for weeks or months that’s pretty good compared to other options
Submarines have the best food. The cooks can spend some effort into the food. And I can personally vouch that the galley, while small, has everything you need. Carriers just crank out slop for the thousands.
>spend first half of existence being a frontier military that has to obsess over each individual ounce of weight that is part of the soldier's equipment because someone is going to be carrying it in the ruck for hundreds of miles >hundreds of years later, can now ship an entire McDonald's by airplane across the world in 24 hours or less just to give the troops a slice of home on deployment
how did we do it?
Having a large interior and actually developing it really makes developing good logistics essential, military or otherwise.
Being trading partners and later close allies with England helped a lot too.
We kind of logistics feedback looped with each other, it was kind of OP.
The special relationship is a pretty potent power couple
In preparation for the Pancho Villa Expedition in 1916 there was a big problem presented in that motor vehicles were being used for the first time in the US military, and nobody had any idea on how to use them effectively to resupply the line elements on the march.
Finally somebody discovered an old manual written in the 1860s in San Antonio on how to defend Army wagon trains from Indian attacks, and this was used to great success in protecting the trucks against Mexican bandits
Damn that's really cool
Love all these coming-of-age technology stories that come out of the industrial era. One of my favorites being how stubborn the cavalry was to get rid of horseback fighting lol
troops are more expensive, both in morale and training costs, than equipment and fuel
support the troops and they will survive long enough to be capable soldiers
Ice cream barges have always been a fun way to dab on Weebs and Wehraboos. They waste resources on wonder-waffles that do nothing to alter the war, we invest resources in viable weapons and morale-boosting logistics.
I first heard stories about the ice cream boats as a child before the internet even existed. "the japs were surviving on bowls of moldy rice, tough little frickers, but our boys had a boat that only made ice cream, they were eating it at cookouts on the beaches at Peleliu!" Boomers loved that shit.
Probably
For some reason both normalgays and larpers glorify the shit out of military chow and especially MREs
Would probably go out of business after 6 months after everybody realizes just how shit this nasty constipating garbage is, which only seems appealing because at least it isn't a nasty ass MRE
Have you ever been to a Sodexo college dining hall?
You're not missing out on much if you haven't. We used to call the females that worked the chow halls Sodexhoes because they'd be the strung out townies trying to get a ring from one of the morons in the barracks. You could imagine the food tasted like ass.
I used to subscribe to the good wehrmacht ideal. It wasn't until later, after realizing that both germany and russia are set in this weird pattern of tag teaming who gets to try to destroy Europe every 50 years, that germans are just kind of weird, and absolutely would collectively agree with the weird nazi shit.
I don't think that makes me anti white like some would suggest, don't mind the brits, the frogs, the spics, the wops, or even the poles, I'm just slightly more anti german.
95% of all horrible philosophies or ideologies that have resulted in soul-crushing tyranny and mountains of corpses over the course of human history have their origins in either Germany or France. Whereas the ideologies and philosophies that have consistently improved the human condition and resulted in freedom and prosperity were invented in the UK and perfected in the US. Anglos are just built different, seethe harder Continental scum.
My brother! French cuisine, art, music, even some of their science, can be outstanding, and I will always appreciate their military innovations. But under no circumstances should the French ever be allowed to invent their own political systems. Always garbage. They should be forced to use traditional Anglo common law and such until they become civilized.
lolwut? The Puritans got kicked out of Britain because they somehow managed to be too nuts for even the Anglicans. Then they started their own wave of persecution as soon as they came to America, they even had their own sharia police.
Things got so bad that President Washington got detained after the war for traveling on a sunday and breaking sabbath. Colonial Massachusetts was not a very fun or tolerant place to be.
I'm not going to cry about it but I'm going to wonder if your parents could have done a better job raising you, or if the school system failed you somehow.
>slavery was invented in the US >the US was a significant part of the transatlantic slave trade >the US is the only country to ever have a civil war >the US is the only country to have race based laws
please
>>mfw slavery
Practiced by every civilization ever >the Civil War
Contradicts you slavery comment. Is slavery is bad and the civil war is justified, or slavery is fine and the civil war was a mistake >Reconstruction era
How dare they try to rebuild after a costly war? >Jim Crow
Objectively better than today. Races aren’t equal and we aren’t the same. Separation is the only way to coexist peacefully
Calm down samegay, NTA but comparing America with its spicy labor in the literal mid 1800's to nazi germany sending perceived enemies of the state to camps a whole ass industrial revolution's worth of 100 years later as some sort of /misc/lack "gotcha" is arguing in poor faith.
I'm 100% American btw, post guns
10 months ago
Anonymous
So you really have no idea what reconstruction was.
10 months ago
Anonymous
I don't, and I don't really care bro
Nice guns btw
10 months ago
Anonymous
>guns
https://i.imgur.com/bCwT31X.jpg
I don't, and I don't really care bro
Nice guns btw
>guns
Guns used to be a shibboleth in /k/ but has devolved into "what I'm saying is stupid but I WIN MMKAY" which is moronic
like pepeposting, it's going to become a signifier of ornery mule-headed ignorance if this keeps up
10 months ago
Anonymous
>can't post a single gun that he owns on the firearms image board >hurr it's a RIFLE not a gun
So you're neverserved (because nobody who has gives a single fricking shit about this dipshit "rule") AND noguns
You're just piling them up today, using an unironic israelite word is the cherry on top!
10 months ago
Anonymous
>you're neverserved
wrong >(because nobody who has gives a single fricking shit about this dipshit "rule")
guess again, Sherlock >AND noguns
wrong >You're just piling them up today
that was my first post in reply to you actually >using an unironic israelite word
wrong, it's an English word
The dissolution of the monasteries and the use of state violence to convert an entire nation, parliamentarian autism and the civil war, Cromwell and the new model army, banning Christmas because puritanical fanaticism
Al the fricked up shit the frogs got up to in their revolution the brits did a few centuries earlier.
>US
Logistics >UK
Morale with the stiff upper lip and all >Aus
IRL shitposting and warcrimes apparently >Canada
Not chasing glory, but in a positive way where you can trust them to do the basic shit right >NZ
Being irrelevant
>US
Logistics >UK
Morale with the stiff upper lip and all >Aus
IRL shitposting and warcrimes apparently >Canada
Not chasing glory, but in a positive way where you can trust them to do the basic shit right >NZ
Being irrelevant
>US
arsenal of democracy (and laboratory, too) >UK
experience and alliance-building >Australia and Canada
elite infantry
(unlike the English who were mostly townspeople and farmers, they had a large number of outdoorsmen used to hostile environments)
UK's advantage historically was naval gunnery and very competent+aggressive captains/admirals. On land it was the quality of their infantry, although not the number.
The commonwealth had to learn some hard lessons about logistics early on in the pacific. The Canadian garrison sent to reinforce Hong Kong had the transport ship carrying all their transportation and heavy equipment unescorted and was marooned in the Philippines on December 7th and couldn't make it in time. The Americans ended up taking their trucks and Bren Gun Carriers and putting them to good use, but the Candian infantry got bent over a table bad as a result.
Likewise the Indians got their teeth kicked in during the fighting in Burma, which was an absolute mess until early '44. They recovered and ended up contributing to arguably the greatest logistical coup of the war building the Ledo Road, but they had to learn some harsh lessons fighting over the hills and towns hills of south asia
>the Indians
Effectively, that is the British. >an absolute mess until early '44
Not really. They had figured out what they needed to do by end '42. Operation Longcloth was basically a spoiling attack to keep the Japs off-balance until the main effort was ready. >they had to learn some harsh lessons fighting over the hills and towns hills of south asia
which they'd more or less figured out by then. They just had to spend time building the logisics infrastructure, training a proper army, and amassing equipment and supplies.
The CBI's most exciting period is in 1942, when the garrison got kicked in, and late 1944 / early 45, the counterattack. In between there was a long stretch of preparation only partially enlivened by that moron Wingate.
>from Cryptonomicon
Isoroku Yamamoto spent a lot of time playing poker with Yanks during his years in the States, smoking like a chimney to deaden the scent of their appalling aftershave. The Yanks are laughably rude and uncultured, of course; this hardly constitutes a sharp observation. Yamamoto, by contrast, attained some genuine insight as a side-effect of being robbed blind by Yanks at the poker table, realizing that the big freckled louts could be dreadfully cunning. Crude and stupid would be okay—perfectly understandable, in fact. But crude and clever is intolerable; this is what makes those redheaded ape-men extra double super loathsome. Yamamoto is still trying to drill the notion into the heads of his partners in the big Nipponese scheme to conquer everything between Karachi and Denver. He wishes that they would get the message.
Nice. Very nice. Now let's see the Japanese ice cream barge.
they just have a nagashi somen boat
I would take a nagashi somen boat
youd take the whole nagashi semen boat
The nakadashi semen boat?
Nagasaki semen boat.
>nagashi somen
100% gimmick
>The saga of Kampfgruppe Peiper during the Bulge is hilarious
the tip of the Wehrmacht spear, wandering up and down looking for a bridge
way more embarrassing than Market Garden
Peiper's boys deserved far worse for Malmedy. Ike should've sent orders to take no prisoners for the remainder of the war.
I mean, orders or not the units that went by malmedy quietly stopped accepting surrenders.
It's almost like being an edgy homosexual and saying "you are a pussy libtard for not murdering prisoners" is actually bad for you. Same with perfidy
a nakadashi semen boat
>does he know?
US military's extremely large US supermarket in Ramstein Germany
>pictures that confuse Russians
You think we dont have seasoning, you bithc? *~~*~~
Why is JEB! there?
>Why is JEB! there?
to mog on vatniks poor logistics
I love the enormous sign for "PEANUT BUTTER" at the top right: beloved in North America, yet an object of nausea and loathing in so many other lands. Kind of like American football, now that I think of it.
Fed plenty of Allies, though.
Anaphylaxis.jpg
It's funny that when you look at the guy in picrel during peacetime you'd immediately assume he was slated for some cushy diplomatic gig, but he enlisted for the infantry like a true chad. Goes to show you never can tell, I guess.
He's aristocratic, but he still observes Noblesse Oblige. He knows his duty to his nation and people.
>G.I. Peanut: Brass Balls and a Bayonet at Bastogne
Mr. Peanut got rich by selling his peanut countrymen to hungry humans. Don't fall for the propaganda, he's a collaborator and a traitor to his nation.
It's cuz he's got a real big pair of nuts on him
He's a gentleman and an officer, and as befitting a proper officer he leads his nuts from the front
>American football
A slight variation of rugger. Which is popular around the world.
The Netherlands is basically the sole exception, they love peanut butter because they got it from their Indonesian colonies. You have to keep it mind most of Europe thinks it tastes wierd from a historical lack of exposure to it.
To be honest, I am a bit miffed with America's habit of setting up entire American shopping districts within their own bases. Doesn't do much for the local economy if the money's just circulating back to corporate pockets back home.
It has to be done otherwise the untrustable tards will flow into the local public uncontrolled and reek havok keeping it as a reward for the more responsable reduces problems.
In general people will go off base when they can for local bars ect but last thing you want is every private leaving the base daily to get food and supplies.
Also alot of the onbase stores are ran by locals to help contribute to the local economy.
This, while it sucks for the local economy it's great for reducing diplomatic incidents.
Pinko Fatherland's reneged on it's measly 2% GDP defense spending for decades, there's a reason why we're decamping to Poland.
Frick you, I'm not eating your shit local food 24/7.
fricking KINO
>they stop serving the bubblegum eyed TMNT bars.
never forget
We need more logistics memes
that fricking osprey gets me every time
kino
>Nice. Very nice. Now let's see the Japanese ice cream barge.
Kancolle doesn't have any supply ships. But if Oilers are any indication
I NEED MILK RAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Here it comes!
imagine being a captured japanese soldier having starved in some jungly uninhabited island for years and getting to see fricking ice cream barges rolling in.
>last time you are was last week
>a handful of rice and three ounces of Corporal Nishimuro who was shredded by a Hellcat
>gaijin are on the beach chopping watermelons that were picked last week in Texas
>they're using a sword taken from the body of General Buttufricko
>that sword is 1,000 years old and belonged to Emperor Mojo Jojo
>it was worshipped as a god and now they're chopping melons with it
> a landing craft beaches itself and gaijin begin unloading gallons of ice cream and whole sides of beef
>they have ham and they have turkey and they have caviar, and long, tall glasses of wine up to yar
>that sword is 1,000 years old and belonged to Emperor Mojo Jojo
My fricking sides
What's funny is that stories like these weren't too far from the truth (except maybe the katana part).
You jest, but many very old Katanas, including ones that were worshipped in Shinto temples, went into occupation jeeps and haven't been accounted for since. Jap godswords are collecting dust in various attics, and it's only a matter of time until one finds its way to Pawn Stars.
They should've publicly displayed and photographed the imperial regalia at the end of the war.
>he went back in time and made it to emperor
And they say Him was the scariest villain.
That ice cream man is living the life. He looks so comfy
The sad thing is with the Turkish economy being what it is due to Erdogan's boneheaded decisions, he might've had to close his stall.
>isu cremu-mogged
From the last time we discussed the Pacific Theater
The US Navy build up at Ulithi was fricking nuts.
>Almost self replicating
Frick, could you imagine? You're sending hordes of your youth to their deaths in a vain attempt to take down a ship, any ship, by any means necessary up to and including suicide attacks and that one pesky, bloated looking ship just over the horizon keeps pooping out more and more of them
400 destroyers in 4 years.
As a thought exercise, I tried to figure out how Japan could "win" WW2, but that image just shows how screwed they were.
Yammato told the ruling council essentially the same thing. He had spent years living in the United States as the Imperial Navy Attaché. He was fluent in english, took classes at Harvard, and toured the country, visiting the navy yards of New York, the vast foundries of Pittsburg, ect. He knew there was no way his country could fight against the sheer weight of American industry.
And he was treated well too, local restaurants and clubs loved having the photo op of this “nobel samurai” in their establishment with his dress uniform and sword.
What I’m saying in is there is a timeline where Yamamoto launches a coup against the morons in the name of the Emperor, and we get an ameriboo Japan instead of a weeaboo US.
Someone post the Rawhide Koabayashi screen shot. As well as some pics of japanese girls in western wear, it's one of the cutest things ever.
Say no more senpai
2 1 3
(Not sure if this was what you were referring to with the Rawhide Kobayashi thing)
desu, as an amerishart, if I saw a japanese immigrant wearing full cowboy regalia, i'm all for it.
Yeehaw Kenichi. You're the rootinest.
>USS Mommy, the Progenitor-class maternity ship could produce 3 mechanized divisions per shift
>88 obsolete aircraft carriers were parceled up into farms, ranches and suburbia
>USS St. Luis would supply the troops with 70,000 negresses every day, who would serve as comfort women
Reminds me of the stories during the battle of Manila and how the locals, not having seen US forces since 1941 were awestruck by how fast it took the Red Cross and Army aid workers to setup food stands and constantly brewing coffee, to the point it caused a panic and hoarding problem when the coffee ran out for a few minutes(Army was waiting for a supply shipment to arrive). When the prisoners held at Santo Tomas arrived, they were surprised as to the increased quality of Army rations consisting of hash and eggs. That being said, with the context of Santo Tomas, it probably must have been with how much they were starving.
With how conditions were for a lot of infantrymen, a lot of them went nine to 12 months without a meal from a field kitchen and relied heavily on the K rations.
The Japanese had been spreading propaganda in the POW camps that the allies had been defeated in the western front and that Germany was sending expeditionary forces to the east.
When the Americans finally broke through into Luzon and began liberating the POW camps, the prisoners were terrified because of all the gear and equipment upgrades from 1941 that they were Germans coming to liquidate the camps.
Yep. There's a few confirmed stories of prisoners trying to beat up Rangers at the Cabanatuan raid and then stopping once they heard the accents. It's almost like time stopped in that part of the world in 1941 for a lot of people.
Was it really that drastic of a change? Can I see some comparison pics somewhere?
Here's the Philippine Scouts, the USAAFFE(US Army Air Forces in the Far East, someone correct me if I screwed up the acronym.) in 1941-1942. Note the Brody helmet and the khaki HBT uniform.
Here's a photo of MacArthur coming onto Lingayen Gulf in 1945 escorted by Philippine guerillas and US troops. Note the M1 helmet and that the Army switched to the olive green color that's more commonly known.
Here's the first Americans arriving in the UK in 1942. Very little change in their equipment over the previous 20 years.
And by '44 they were the most advanced military in the world.
>44
>by '44
Check'd. Meanwhile, the '44 Wehrmacht was digging out anything that could shoot out of storage.
>but they were so close to taking over bro just one more year bro if they just did [insert cope here] they would've won bro,
Just one more blitzkrieg with a heavily depleted Wehrmacht that no longer has anything close to its '39-41 capabilities! We'll reach Baku/Kursk/Antwerp/wherever the fugg Steiner was supposed to go!
Steiner and his corps will return from buying cigarettes at the corner store any day now.
Steiner returned to Nuremburg under his own power.
>he doesn't believe in the hanebu saucers.
ngmi
>"Mein Fuhrer... Steiner... when the falls fell..."
God that was such a good fricking episode. A lot of TNG just bleeds together in my mind but that one really stands out and I haven't watched that show in well over a decade.
>unleashed death squads to systematically hunt down and murder israelites and other minorities
Citation needed
No, no, those were pretty well recorded. Where do you think all the Nazi Gold came from?
Incredible digits
Those are also men from the 34th ID, which was a National Guard division, it stands to reason they wouldn’t have had the latest equipment.
Just bought a pack of chocolate-covered ice creams, regretting it though since it might have an odd aftertaste.
ice cream 🙂
is it true they had roller coasters, carnivals, thrill rides and cotton candy on the bases in vietnam?
Yeah. The airtime on the Saigon rollercoaster is renowned by coaster enthusiasts to this day and the Da Nang log flume was used as a recruiting tool by the DoD.
We wanted a log flume but all we got was that crappy dinosaur water ride
They had some kind of amusement park in Vietnam
that guy really want's to go get the ladyboys
ONE NIGHT IN BANGKOK AND THE WORLD'S YOUR OYSTER
THE BOYS ARE LADIES BUT LADIES AIN'T FREE
>Get thai'd, you're talking to a tourist>
>Whose every move's among the purest>
>I get my kicks above the waistline, sunshine>
Wow this song is even gayer than I remember.
Wouldn't you? What are you, an gay
Probably not Nam' but Clark Airbase in the Philippines was pretty much sex, drugs, and rock n' roll for its entire existence.
He's referencing a really old South Park joke I think
We handed over Clark to them after the Cold War ended, right?
No it's because a volcano erupted near the base and it was evacuated, and after the all clear we let them turn it into a civilian airport
Sometime in the 90s, the Philippine government raised the price of the lease to a ridiculous amount (I might be misremembering how ridiculous) and US walked away. It was probably equal parts extortion and anti-US sentiment; the government was less than a decade old after ousting a US-backed dictator/president-for-life, and without the USSR there wasn't a pressing need to align with any great power.
Aside from the geopolitical concerns, though, it was an awful economic waste (or the "cost" of stepping away from the US, from another point of view) because a lot of local business in the region was reliant not just on being an R&R destination, but on supporting repair and maintenance.
>after ousting a US-backed dictator/president-for-life
In fairness we also helped depose him since around the point of the Reagan administration we kinda decided having Marcos around was more trouble than he was worth.
Subic Bay too. It was still a pretty killer time back in 2018. Haven’t been since. I’ve sailed with some old timers (USMM) that were Navy back when they had the base in Subic. The stories I’ve heard are amazing and disgusting and I wish I’d been there for it.
>the FOB has a Subway instead of a Wendy's
If your FOB has a Pizza Hut, you can get thousands of Russian defectors.
Gorbachev did nothing wrong other than trying to fix Russia instead of nuking it
Yeah, but it's funny to see the head of Communism shilling for Capitalism. Imagine the first time a tankie saw that ad.
It must have been a shock to the system, I was born in 87 so I don't remember. It always struck me as, "We can have good things and still be communist guys."
what's "funny" is the state of USSR supermarkets in 1991
"When I saw those shelves crammed with hundreds, thousands of cans, cartons and goods of every possible sort, for the first time I felt quite frankly sick with despair for the Soviet people..."
>mfw jello pudding pops
>those Trix popsicles
>sir we are having minor logistical issues
>well lets split our country and our entire international trade network that ought to fix it
All of these are the same ingredients with different packaging. A combination of soi, corn and wheat.
Khrushchev simped for some american corn grower so ordered people to grow it but soviets didn't know how so yields were bad plus different breeds of corn were mixed so cold resistant ones went where they weren't needed etc etc. Also they tried to grow it up north because of orders. Later on kolkhozes just lied about their yields and whole food industry hit the fan (even harder).
Any more stories from 1960?
Sure, how about this one which will make a lot of people seethe. Crimea wasn't given to ukraine just because Khrushchev wanted it. Process for it started before he got to power and happened when he still didn't have full power as for the decision that russian ssr to give away land to ukrainian ssr had to be confirmed by the USSR supreme soviet which meant other c**ts had to agree. Now reason why they wanted to give Crimea away was because 1. it was disconnected from russian SSR. 2. All logistics for it were dependant on russian ssr such as healthcare or supplying it with food etc etc. 3. Ukranian ssr is connected to it and is doing pretty well. 4 maybe khrushchev played for favors as he was the ex leader of the ukranian supreme soviet. In a nutshell it was a economical thing that started before him and causes a lot of butthurt to this day.
>minor logistical issues
Funny how all commies end up having these same "minor logistical issues" that, at best, leave them with empty shelves, or at worst leaves them with mass graves.
The Soviet economy was not suffering minor logistical issues and the Soviet union imploded the nanosecond it stopped responding to liberal reforms and things like voting with tanks you gaylord.
It died, its a good thing it died, its not coming back, get over it grandpa.
Yeah sure, if you ignore the citrus, the cocoa, the strawberry, blueberry, cherry, the milk, the oils, and everything else in that ice cream alone, without even touching the absolute leviathan of logistic marvels behind it, and really, really need to stick to reductio ad absurdum.
It's hard not to feel a little sympathy for the ol' boy. That's the exact moment where his entire Weltanschauung shattered and he realized the Soviet propaganda wasn't just fudging the numbers a little, or even a lot; it was flat out lies all the way down. Every deprivation of the postwar period had been for nothing.
Poor guy never seemed quite the same after that little excursion as I recall.
>b-bbut you are trannie with inflation, Black folk and israelites!!! Ahhhh!!!
all true
Oh, don't worry. It's about to get much worse.
Somehow this looks even worse than the looted and stripped out shops you see just after disasters and riots. At least those shops are in that state due to unusual once-in-a-lifetime events.
For these poor mofos, it's an everyday fact of life.
>"the east has fallen millions must be gulag'd"
>millions must be gulag'd
Truly, a retvrn to tradition.
>it's funny to see the [former] head of Communism shilling for Capitalism
Much like the ice cream boats, it was more than just a flex. It was the ultimate victory lap.
a German tank ace got captured in '45 by an American tank crew. He wrote in his memoirs that at that moment he knew the war was lost, because the Americans would just leave the tank idling all the time without being reprimanded.
>45
I don't think he would need to be captured in the first place to know the war was lost by that point
I mean, this one Austrian art-hoe held out this weird hope that the West would randomly switch sides and attack the Soviets out of nowhere.
true, but at the same time he was pretty much going full schizo by that point while everybody around him was just waiting for the inevitable conclusion of said schzio cope
That's the consequences of methamphetamine abuse, kids. Not even once.
>attack the Soviets out of nowhere.
It wouldn’t be “out of nowhere”. Patton has been proved correct with time and we should have re-armed the Germans and marched on Moscow. But FDR was a dirty commie himself and sent them a shitload of supplies through lend lease
I love accounts like that.
>Kraut/Spaghetti/rare captured Sushi gets driven through massive allied supply depot on route to POW camp
>despair.axis
The number of variations on this story is amusing
Another one was "we knew the war was over when we asked why the tanks had no serial number and they said it was because no one asked for those"
another is something along the lines of
"we knew the war was over because the Americans had no horses"
This reminds me of Operation Cowboy.
>Wehrmacht is breeding Lipizzaners at a secret farm in Czechoslovakia
>Soviets and Americans are both advancing on it
>the Russians will massacre the horses in typical fashion if they get their hands on them
>the Germans at the farm, the Americans, and a bunch of random POWs team up
>SS attacks them
>manage to repel the assaults and ride a bunch of pregnant mares into US controlled territory
Late-war SS is hilarious. Everybody, even the Wehrmacht, was sick of their shit and wanted them dead. Hell, sometimes other SS attacked them.
The heer apparently had a low opinion of the SS during the battle of the bulge
Heer were used to fighting the Americans by that point but the SS had just arrived and used the tried and tested Eastern front playbook
And while the heer would usually forgo things like opening barrages the SS learned the hard way what US counter-battery fire was capable of
nah that's just "we wuz professional soldiers n shyet, not them cruel incompetent nazis" cope
the Heer were pretty limp dicked against the Americans in Dec 44 as well
>nah that's just "we wuz professional soldiers n shyet, not them cruel incompetent nazis" cope
They liked to call it the "Clean Wehrmacht"
The saga of Kampfgruppe Peiper during the Bulge is hilarious.
>For the love of Hitler let us just find one fricking bridge that can hold our tanks!!!
>FRICKING AMERICANS BLEW THE BRIDGE AND HALF OF OUR MEN WERE ON THE OTHER FRICKING SIDE!!! FRICK, START SWIMMING!!! IGNORE THE HYPOTHERMIA!!!
Skorseny's boys getting mauled was also pretty kino.
Amazes me that American troops didn't skin Peiper alive for Malmedy. The fact that he *lived* and was let off the hook after the war is insane.
Got any more stories of this.
Castel Itter is the fun one, with Burgers, Frog POWs, Austrian resistence, Wehrmacht, and I think a handful of SS all fighting off a large SS attack.
In Czechoslovakia the Free Russian division fought off SS that went on a murder rampage.
The last Crow Indian war chief earned that status by, among other things, stealing horses from the SS.
Franz Stigler, a German pilot, escorted a damaged B-17 back to neutral territory, because he'd been told never to kill a man in a parachute and figured the plane was so heavily damaged, he would have been doing essentially the same thing by shooting it down.
I like how the author of that picture put considerable amount of skill and effort into drawing threads so obviously unusable that a child can see how they'd send that tank halfway to Earth's core before moving it forward.
Joe Medicine Crow was a great guy
Good thing the Germans were logisticslets who still relied on horses, otherwise he'd have to steal a opel and try to argue it's the same thing
>/misc/ larps like nazi germany was some sort of based heaven.
>In reality it was a stardard third world corrupt dictatorship where the average person was just drafted into fighting.
I miss when the west had a nuanced view of the germans citizens until like late 2000's.
Now its hurr durr everyone was evil for not immeditatly betraying them instead of a bunch of normies trapped in a shit situation.
Honestly I have the same view of any forceably mobilized russians.
We did and still do.
It's just that nobody's fooling us with the "Clean Wehrmacht" meme, which at its most extreme holds that "we wuz jez followin orders". That is bullshit. Most of the Wehrmacht absolutely relished paying back France and Britain for the humiliation of Versailles - no patriot worth his salt wouldn't be itching to get some payback, picrel. I have even less regard frankly for someone who was that indifferent (see: WW2 French) as those Germans liked to claim.
The reason we're in clown world is because we used the internet to make jokes of our reality, and then reality became our jokes. A more meta version of the "idiots in good company" problem.
>we used the internet to make jokes of our reality, and then reality became our jokes
yeah kinda
memes began as jokes, but people started taking them seriously
as they grew in popularity they also started reflecting the most popular opinions, ie those of the lowest common denominator, ie the stupidest and least informed
and here we are today
>we are prisoners in a memeworld of our own device
It's actually not all bad, fren, culture just hasn't caught up yet. It actually makes it easier to sell good ideas to people who don't have the patience to learn the concepts that make it a good idea.
Biggest example being the QAnon shit. Only the most schizo people on /misc/ actually took it really seriously, most just saw it as entertainment. But boomers on Facebook sharing that shit with their wino aunt? They treat it like gospel
I'm almost certain Q is a foreign psyop. Just kind of disappointed how many morons fall for it.
a good portion were genuine morons, but don't underestimate the number of people who lack the introspection and awareness of their own base psychology i.e. succumbing to the desire to blame something (anything) else or doing the most ridiculous shit to comfort themselves instead of directing their energies to at least attempting to solve the problem
Politics is downstream of culture and culture is downstream of PrepHole (and now other social media). You see the exact same behavior here applied writ large, and similar shit with twitter or tumblr or whatever.
>report your jeep is broken
>Get new jeep
>Fix-it-freddy scrappy scruffy fricker in your unit fixes the jeep with some twine, a log, and a french duck.
>Now you have two jeep
broke is wehrmacht vgh womanly fashion love
woke is soviet ideological love
bespoke is loving the dirty disheveled but plucky average GI Joe.
>nazi germany
>3rd world
what?
Rig generals into infighting each other with private armies.
Each branch justfies thier own private infantry tanks aircraft rendering the point of having a airforce SS army ect moot.
Waste money on moronic wunderwaffens that look cool but actually do nothing relvent to the war.
Use MEFO bills and rack up such a stupid amount of debt where annexing neighbors is the only way to prevent an economic implosion.
Justfiy invasion by claiming your protecting x group.
Anger for losing some war and regaining what was lost is main motivator for politics.
It really is just Russia, Iraq, Turkey, and China.
In hindsight they could have stayed as a republic and gotten away with the anschluss and rhineland. No point in sudetenland annexation, it is better to have good ties with czechoslovakia to arm eastern and northern europe against the USSR at a sustainable rate that doesnt make you collapse like the MEFO scam.
It wasn't. Germany was able to wars despite all the cards being turned against them, with technical innovation alone.
>Literally in the middle of enemies, surrounded from every side with some sort of superpower
>Zero useful ressources
>No natural defense lines like rivers cliffs and mountains
And yet they came up with a way to turn air into explosives and then coal into oil and somehow managed to wage a war on entire world.
Meanwhile commies had all the ressources in the world and they would have lost if not for mutts.
And mutts have it even easier, not only they got all the ressources in the world as well, but they are also surrounded by ocean making them uninvadable
mountains to the south, sea to the north and west. lots of coal, steel and other lovely stuff. very nice river systems.
They could of just tried not being morons took that same resourcesfulness and do economic tech and trade.
The third worlder mentality was hey everyone disarmed lets go loot shit.
Had they not been morons they could of unironically been the first one into space.
Or been the first to invent jet engines.
Instead they chimped out invaded everyone.
Entire post-worth of cope.
Germany wasn't a barren shithole devoid of natural resources.
>No oil
>No ammonia
>No colonies
But hey you can surely power all the tanks with coal amirite?
>What was the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact
During 2, ww more than 50% of German fuel came from coal liquefaction.
What pact you moron? During a war right after?
1. You moron, those statistics are from 1944, near the end of the war.
2. Putting that aside, having to import more than half of your fuel supplies is a catastrophic situation during war.
3. The main import sources were the USSR and Romania, specifically its northeastern part, which the Soviets claimed ownership over.
4. Which is one of the main reasons Hitler HAD to invade, since all it took to break the back of his war effort was a quick hop across the border for the Soviets. In other words, they had him by the balls since the very beginning.
Romanian oil primarily came from the south part, Wallachia, Ploeisti specifically. Not a part that Russia claimed.
Also, Hitler strong-armed Romania into ceding territory to the Soviets in order to keep the Molotov-Ribbentrop intact as long as needed.
Lastly, Romanian and Hungarian oil never was quite enough for Axis needs.
Also the USSR provided the III Reich with every raw resource under the Sun, including ridiculous amounts of grains, copper, iron etc.
The Nazi war machine by itself was hilariously weak - the Soviets had to invade Poland on September 17 mostly because the German armies were already running out of fuel and ammunition. Guderian in his journals stated it plainly - if the invasion dragged on, in full intensity, for another month, or even shorter if the French actually attacked, they would be completely fricked.
Are you moronic? The whole point of their alliance with the USSR was that the latter were supplying the Reich with ridiculous amounts of resources.
this Black person doesnt know shit about ww1 much less 2.
>Surrounded by enemies
>Helpless Denmark to the North
>France that focuses completely on defense to the West
>Neutral Belgium and Netherlands
>Allied Italy to the South
>Puppet Czechia and Slovakia to the East
>Allied USSR to the East
Hmm... it's almost as if Poland was the only country they knew would honor the defensive pacts with France.
Well actually it was less their technology and more the fact that German soldiers (and most of the European Axis too) were simply superior to everyone they were fighting
Or... I know this a wild thought, but just hear me out on this one... Maybe it was both of these
Well yes but it was mostly the quality of their soldiers
Hitler could have stopped after retaking the rhinelands, he should have spent much more time emphasizing the threat the soviets posed to the rest of the world. Retaking the rhine would have been enough to appease most of the populace except for the diehards that wanted revenge and turned hitler into a hero.
Though i think even if hitler had not decided to push past the rhine mussolini would have moronic the planet into ww3 in his own.
>mussolini would have moronic the planet into ww3 in his own.
Why do you say that? Not talking shit, just genuinely want to know more. Don't hear much about il duce
I only know a little bit but after seeing hitler take the rhine with 0 reaction from the allies Mussolini threw italy into some moronic shit against nearly all of his generals saying italy was no where near ready to be doing anything major, the infrastructure wasn't in place, they just didn't have the equipment to do anything major.
Same with germany at the time, if the allies had decided to react and had attacked germany after hitler retook the rhine, germany would have folded. Everyone was too busy dealing with their economies fricking imploding and communists trying to commie almost every nation along with being absolutely terrified of getting drug into another major war after only 30 years of attempted rebuilding after the last shit show.
I don't think germany would have been able to last a month if the allies had reacted to the rhine, kind of a interesting "what if" scenario to think about what would of occurred in that situation. My bet would have been Stalin would have invaded europe at some point.
To expand and actually answer the question to the best i can; Mussolini was fricking moronic.
He was 100% on the belief that he was going to enact the return of the roman empire and was going to end up doing moronic shit even without the support of Germany.
Seeing Germany get rolled if the allies had actually done the correct thing would have given him pause, but the man was fricking nuts, he was going to drag Italy into doing something ungodly stupid one way or another.
Watching the allies do nothing after germany took the rhine unopposed just triggered him into being stupid sooner rather than later.
Marshall Piłsudski, the de facto leader of Poland, proposed a joint invasion to France as a response.
The German economy was spiralling into collapse. He literally had to start a war.
Germany would have recovered faster if they hadn't gone to war.
Germany would have collapsed if they hadn't gone to war.
Only because they were preparing for the war in the first place. If they had just rebuilt after WW1, they could have paid down even the terms of the Versailles treaty. Their main problem is that they couldn't swallow that defeat.
>well the loss doesn't count because they didn't lose in an honorable 1 on 1 way and they were outnumbered and outgunned and their wunderwaffen were really wunderful!
Lol
Not an excuse when you participate in genocide.
What genocide?
The one I read was about a German HQ that got nabbed in Tunisia. While they were waiting to be packed to the rear a GI showed up and plunked a 5-in-1 ration at their feet. Lunch time. While they sat and ate what was possibly the best field ration at the time with chocolate, smokes, nescafe, the whole nine-yards they watched an endless stream of GMC trucks hauling more supplies forward. Everyone knew then that Germany was absolutely totally and completely fricked.
>. While they sat and ate what was possibly the best field ration at the time with chocolate, smokes, nescafe, the whole nine-yards they watched an endless stream of GMC trucks hauling more supplies forward
the C-rat and K-rat probably dont get enough credit for being the forerunner of the modern MRE
up until this time, most forces still used WW1 style iron rations consisting of tinned meat, tinned biscuits, and for the germans a packet of pea soup stock
at most you would get some salt packets and toilet paper in the accessory bag
and they while issued 1 per soldier you werent intended to eat them individually, you surrendered your iron ration to the cook or the CO and they were all prepared in the field to be portioned back out
the C-ration and K-ration changed the game by having an all-in-one ration with entree, desert, bread, coffee, stimulants (candy, chocolate, coffee, cigarettes, etc.) and accessory packet in a single self-contained unit
with the additional benefit that each soldier was able to just eat the contents warm or cold by himself, no need to prepare it first other than heating it up to be more palatable
germans ended up copying the K-ration due to its sheer convenience though too late to be widely deployed
as much as GIs liked to complain about the C-rations monotony it had the widest menu available of WW2 rations
eventually including not just basic stews but would eventually have things like spaghetti or ham & eggs
on Japanese ships in late 1800s, the limiting factor for how long a patrol/deployment could be wasn't fuel or supplies, but how long the crew could exist onboard before too many sailors developed beriberi. Non-officers would only get white rice to eat and maybe some curry for it like once a week.
The story I know is that it's a case of science policy gone wrong. Because germ theory was one of the bleeding edge "quantum physics" sciences of the time, people were too willing to blame germs for any illness. The Japanese navy blamed lack of sanitation for causing beriberi and made the sailors clean the decks over and over until the problem was solved (it wasn't). In hindsight, it's really obvious that malnutrition can also be a source of illness, especially since they also knew about scurvy (and at the time the British didn't realize that pasteurization destroyed the vitamin C in their juice rations, but voyages were now too fast for scurvy to develop). But "unified science theory that us civilized folk believe in" is just too blindingly radiant.
There was also a thing where the lower ranks sometimes had a choice between cheaper brown rice (or barley?) and more expensive white rice, I suppose when at port. But they always went for the white rice because the other stuff that had B-vitamins were for poor country folk and they proud of being modern urbanized men.
to be fair to the japs, they were pretty quick to find out the source of beri-beri and find a cure for it
the solution was initially to add millet to their rations, which proved ineffective as the sailors preferred pure white rice
later it was to force millet/rice mixes as their main diet and that did the trick, and beri-beri cases plummeted
I often wonder how people from the past figured shit like this out, but hey maybe that's why I'm not a pathologist
Observation and following the cravings probably; you see a ship serving white rice and a different ship serving brown rice then notice the brown rice ship isn’t suffering beri-beri then try it out. Or, the men start craving a particular food and eating it makes them feel better so you load up.
That makes sense. Survival instinct is an incredible thing
Observation, trial and error.
The way people have done it for millennia.
That's why it takes so long to invent anything - you deal with a lot of correlations.
Also, that's why ancient methods tend to look so close to the solution, but don't actually get at it - correlations mistaken for causation.
For example, armies across the world thinking that swamp air is poisonous and causes disease, when actually it is the insects thriving in the swamp which are carriers of disease.
>Survival instinct
not really. "Cravings" are not a reliable indicator of anything.
p.s. before they realised that barley is the solution, the Japs thought curry was the answer. and that's why they introduced British curry to the Navy.
once again, mistaking correlation for causation.
>"Cravings" are not a reliable indicator of anything.
this a million times. intuitive eating is bullshit
I think it was barley, not millet
We truly are the Lords of Logistics.
Well armed, well fed, and well rested soldiers perform better and for longer than ideological zealots sustained on bland gurel and delusion
Wisdom.
Cargo Cults, man. When the US showed up to primitive societies with it's largesse they spontaneously formed religions around it because they thought they were being visited by the Gods.
Can you tell us more about cargo cults? Wiki only has SJW bullshit and doesn't provide examples
google "John Frum"
>google "John Frum"
NTA but damn, I haven't thought about that in years. That was a total trip down the rabbit hole when I was a younger man and still thought the world ran on logical rules.
>John Frum"
What the actual frick
Fricking kek, I have read about cargo cults but never heard of this.
>WW1 fighters are the foundational myth of John Frum
>religion is dying out
>WW2 starts and Frum returns
>China proxy wars over island nations due to kick off soon
>Frum is back
At this point we should just time our island wars to frick with them.
There was a German pilot who crash landed his airplane in China during the Battle of Tsingtao in WW1 and managed to get help and escape the siege by convincing the peasants whose rice paddy he crashed into that he was a god fighting an evil dragon.
I forgot his name but his entire story is nuts.
You know your side lost when the opposition starts flying in the Burger King trucks
love you guys but wish you would do something good with all that power instead of sucking israelite dick
I'm more of a US Army field kitchen enjoyer myself
>While they were waiting to be packed to the rear a GI showed up and plunked a 5-in-1 ration at their feet. Lunch time.
That's some metal gear shit lol
Send Krauts to an oil rig and recruit 'em.
I love this kind of story.
I remember some documentary with German POWs, and they talked at length about the train ride from the East Coast all the way to the internment camp in the Arizona Desert. The US drew blackout shades in strategically sensitive regions, but most of the time they let the prisoners get sunshine and fresh air.
The Germans initially thought all those wheat fields in Kansas were some sort of trick, that the Yankees were driving in circles to make the arable land look bigger than it really was. Then they saw all the oil derricks in just one corner of Texas.
By the time they got into the internment camp, even the die-hards had thousand-yard stares: natural resource-wise, the United States simply wasn't operating on the same scale as everything in Europe combined. They could lose a million tons of shipping to U-Boats every month in early 1943 then go on to fund the Soviets and British both, and *still* have enough left over to be magnanimous to captured soldiers.
Direct consequence of Homestead Act.
>free land, provided you can make it productive in x number years
>hundreds of thousands of Burgers head west and snatch up land
>some fail, many succeed, America grows rich from newly opened west
>helps create a thriving middle class of inventors, mechanics, craftsmen, etc. to build a robust, innovative economy
>this pays massive dividends for the Allies in both wars
Meanwhile, the commie approach is to kill anyone with half a brain or any talent.
>the Homestead Act
An absolute geopolitical masterstroke.
>have tons of land
>a lot of it's frozen to shit
>steel plow just been invented
>frick it, we'll outsource the problem
>first Scandinavian immigrants get a glimpse of Nebraska, Wisconsin and Minnesota
>immediately writing letters home
>"Is beautiful lands literally for free, and winters are of so much milder than back home, ja. Get onto boat right NOW, no telling how long dis will last; Americans are goings to come to dere senses sooner or later don'tcha know."
And a hundred and fifty years later that's the reason Herbie Husker looks the way he does. (And why Wisconsin regards "liquor laws" as more "liquor suggestions", lol.)
And yet those frozen lands produce abundant grain, vegetables, dairy, and meat.
Exactly, once you get somebody motivated enough to plow through the permafrost. Compared to the hardscrabble farming in Sweden and Norway at the time, the Midwest really must have looked like the Land of Opportunity.
>the reason Herbie Husker
Getting rid of blonde Herbie was a mistake and caused the last 20 years of suffering
My grandma grew up on a farm in Oklahoma during the war, and they got some German POWs from a nearby camp to help out as labor, so she was able to talk to them about life outside the dust bowl.
She said when the Germans first started working on her farm they would always have one or two guys posted as lookouts and not doing any work. My grandma asked one of them what they were doing one day, and he said that he was watching for signs of an Indian raid. Apparently German cartoons and movies still portrayed the wild west as something that was going on, and the Germans were terrified of being scalped by an Apache.
Tornadoes and plains lightning storms also scared the shit out of them at first, but they figured things out quickly enough.
Damn, that's wild.
As recently as the 1970s, there were people in other US states who -- with a completely straight face -- would ask Arizonans and New Mexicans if they rode a horse to school.
It's honestly not so far fetched that at the turn of the century up even mid century someone in the rural west would take a horse to school
Did your grandma say if she ever let them tag team her in the barn?
>they would always have one or two guys posted as lookouts and not doing any work. My grandma asked one of them what they were doing one day, and he said that he was watching for signs of an Indian raid. Apparently German cartoons and movies still portrayed the wild west as something that was going on, and the Germans were terrified of being scalped by an Apache.
Kek, bless them
>German POWs escape US prison in Arizona
>Have no where to go but desert, and come back
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Papago_Escape
Kek this used to be my old reporting station for drill while I was a nasty girl
I knew it was an internment camp, but I never looked further into it. Funny to have been somewhere so interesting and hating it the entire time.
There's a museum onsite, maybe I should visit it before I move out of state some time.
>By contrast, the Camp Papago Park escapees were limited to bread and water rations for as many days as they were absent from camp. None of the American guards was seriously punished, but the FBI launched an investigation into lax security at Arizona's prisoner of war camps.[4][7]
I hate glowBlack folk so much it's unreal
To be fair, the Apache were absolutely terrifying when they were still a threat, I'd be scared too if I thought they were still around.
https://legionmagazine.com/en/the-happiest-prisoners/
Nice article about German POWs in Canada during WWII. Apparently they were treated very well by guards (many of them were WWI veterans) and many returned after the war.
related
>The decision to have a prisoner of war labour project in Riding Mountain National Park was the result of a fuelwood shortage in the winter of 1942 and 1943. To free up men for the war effort it was decided that German prisoners of war would be employed.[1] The majority of the prisoners were former members of the Afrika Korps, sent to Canada after being captured in battles like the Second Battle of El Alamein in North Africa.[3]
>Internees were paid 50 cents per day to cut down trees; prisoners were allowed to use their wages to order from the Eaton's catalogue.[4][5] On one occasion, the prisoners threatened to strike because "pyjamas they'd ordered from the Eaton's catalogue failed to arrive on time" (they thought the guards might have stolen the order).
>NEIN MEIN PAJAMGEBALTEN!
I mean in a way they're right to be afraid of native Americans, just for the wrong reasons. Not sure how deadly dangerous the code talkers were but I imagine they'd be very secretive if they suddenly saw a German in America asking what they were up to.
My grandfather was drafted and worked as an aircraft mechanic during the war. At one point he was stationed somewhere in Texas, he loves telling this story.
>one commanding officer is kinda batshit, loves flying helicopters
Keep in mind the only helicopter around is the fricking Sikorsky R-4, which is a rickety deathtrap if there ever was one.
>rolls up one day
>"Is this helicopter ready to fly?"
>"Probably, sir."
>"Would you trust it?"
>"Probably, sir."
>"Prove it, get in."
>cue joyride
>halfway through the joyride, helicopter begins to overheat
>CO touches down in the middle of a watermelon farm, grandpa starts working on it
>farmer comes to check on them
>grandpa fixes helicopter, CO offers to take the farmer up to inspect his fields from the air
>farmer is very thankful, grandpa and CO take him around
>farmer is so thankful he offers to let them load up the helicopter with watermelons
>grandpa and CO return to base with hundreds of watermelons, tell the kitchen good news, we found dessert for tonight!
>kitchen starts b***hing, they can't serve warm watermelons
>nearby pilots overhear, offer to solve the problem
>B-29 has just been maintained, needs a shakedown flight
>pilots fill the plane full of watermelons, take it up to 30k ft and fly figure-eights for an hour
>watermelons are now ice cold
>kitchen is happy
>grandfather says those were the best watermelons he's ever had
I wouldn't be able to resist the urge to drop a couple melons out the bomb bay.
>ya ever seen your fields from the air?
Frickin rad
How cool of an experience would that have been for the farmer. Helicopters were bleeding-edge technology at the time. It would be like a skunkworks prototype landing in your yard and the pilot invites you up for a ride for the hell of it.
>the true eldtich horror isn't some ancient diety from a bygone era
>or some impossible creature
>or a living idea that warps whoever finds it
>its simply the scale of US logistics
The whole "Germany would have lasted another year if [cope]" argument is hilarious. No, at maximum, they would have lasted 3 months. Why?
Let me answer that question with a question; what was the United States doing on August 9, 1945?
i think its appropriate to say it loudly
U S A! U S A!
Ice cream? I love ice cream!
Imagine you're a japanese soldier and the last thing you hear before you die is
>w*jack thread
sure is summer around here
Jokes on you, I post year-round.
Just be glad it’s not a Nu-jak variant.
>they ran out of dark meat and extra crispy fried chicken so I had to have breast pieces instead
how do I get medical discharge frick this
>navy_grub.webm
As much as I hate Yanks, I also admire them with utmost respect
Why do you have to make my feelings so complicated
To unify opposites in a manner that transcends logic is the Yankee Way. The wise fool as nation-state, ridiculous and yet awe-inspiring, both a shining ideal and a cautionary tale, simultaneously.
>"Consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds."
The joke that so many Americans are fat as frick can only work if they have enough to eat. Whereas in absolute shit tier countries you know exactly who the corrupt fricks are because they're the only ones that don't look like they've been starving their entire lives. Or aren't dead from gutter oil.
Bruh
I'm sure they will cook you some good rat burgers too
Perfect
Now I want brisket and sausage
US sailors aren't allowed booze unlike most navies so they put extra effort into the food.
Fried chicken is the USN rum ration.
Actually, ice cream is the rum ration. Didn't want drunk sailors, still wanted a morale-booster, so starting in the early 20th Century all navy ships had the ability to store ice cream. I blame influence from the Wisconsin dairy ~~*merchants*~~.
They get ‘em sometimes.
https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_day
Didn't you have to be like on a carrier or cruiser for the food to be this good? I feel like anything smaller and the kitchen required would take up too much space on the ship.
The food slowly gets worse and worse the longer you are at sea, though the vegetables and fruits aren't bad with the introduction of flash freezing, some vessels still tend to get mostly canned vegetables instead of frozen. Your voyage always starts with fresh veg and meat. After the freshest foods are gone, you switch to stuff that's frozen or lasts a little longer. Then a month or so in you're eating canned/frozen vegetables, powdered potatoes, powdered eggs, etc, some ships also supplement with fish caught in the sea, and the cooks occasionally restock in foreign ports. Ships also have bakeries so the bread is always fresh, Starbucks, Dunkin', etc.
It isn't bad at all, honestly. The worst thing I ever ate on a ship was powdered eggs and sausage that was freezer burnt with a bagel. The guys who really suffer with rations are the ground pounders, and even then MREs aren't atrocious in combat conditions.
All things considered that seems pretty solid. Yeah it’s not normal life food but for being at sea for weeks or months that’s pretty good compared to other options
Submarines have the best food. The cooks can spend some effort into the food. And I can personally vouch that the galley, while small, has everything you need. Carriers just crank out slop for the thousands.
IT'S THE INVASION OF JAPAN IN AN ALTERNATE REALITY.
BUT IT'S JUST ICE CREAM BARGE, RED CROSS AND OTHER SUPPLY BARGES JDAY AND JAPANS CIVILIANS & SOILDERS SURRENDERING IN MASS FOR FOOD.
>spend first half of existence being a frontier military that has to obsess over each individual ounce of weight that is part of the soldier's equipment because someone is going to be carrying it in the ruck for hundreds of miles
>hundreds of years later, can now ship an entire McDonald's by airplane across the world in 24 hours or less just to give the troops a slice of home on deployment
how did we do it?
Having a large interior and actually developing it really makes developing good logistics essential, military or otherwise.
Being trading partners and later close allies with England helped a lot too.
We kind of logistics feedback looped with each other, it was kind of OP.
The special relationship is a pretty potent power couple
In preparation for the Pancho Villa Expedition in 1916 there was a big problem presented in that motor vehicles were being used for the first time in the US military, and nobody had any idea on how to use them effectively to resupply the line elements on the march.
Finally somebody discovered an old manual written in the 1860s in San Antonio on how to defend Army wagon trains from Indian attacks, and this was used to great success in protecting the trucks against Mexican bandits
Damn that's really cool
Love all these coming-of-age technology stories that come out of the industrial era. One of my favorites being how stubborn the cavalry was to get rid of horseback fighting lol
practice, practice, practice
If you erect a burger town in the conflict zone, it gives men a reason to fight for.
My dad was a scout in 19D should I send this to him?
troops are more expensive, both in morale and training costs, than equipment and fuel
support the troops and they will survive long enough to be capable soldiers
>see one ice cream boat video on YT
>then another
>then another
.....
>see this thread
Anonymous imageboard my ass
Ice cream barges have always been a fun way to dab on Weebs and Wehraboos. They waste resources on wonder-waffles that do nothing to alter the war, we invest resources in viable weapons and morale-boosting logistics.
>have always been a fun way to dab on Weebs and Wehraboos
No they haven't. Stop lying. I tire of liars.
I first heard stories about the ice cream boats as a child before the internet even existed. "the japs were surviving on bowls of moldy rice, tough little frickers, but our boys had a boat that only made ice cream, they were eating it at cookouts on the beaches at Peleliu!" Boomers loved that shit.
The navy actually had multiple ice cream barges.
In fairness barges are like the easiest shit the built, the real feat is the refrigeration units needed for making and storing ice cream.
business idea came to me... would a restaurant that serves up military chow make any money?
Probably
For some reason both normalgays and larpers glorify the shit out of military chow and especially MREs
Would probably go out of business after 6 months after everybody realizes just how shit this nasty constipating garbage is, which only seems appealing because at least it isn't a nasty ass MRE
It is not constipating anon. You are just in an unfamiliar or stressful environment, and your body's natural response to stress is to try not to shit.
No. It's okay food. It isn't worth going out of your way to buy.
That's pretty much what a Golden Corral and any other form of low tier buffet is, tbh.
Have you ever been to a Sodexo college dining hall?
You're not missing out on much if you haven't. We used to call the females that worked the chow halls Sodexhoes because they'd be the strung out townies trying to get a ring from one of the morons in the barracks. You could imagine the food tasted like ass.
>ywn never serve on the ice cream boat
I used to subscribe to the good wehrmacht ideal. It wasn't until later, after realizing that both germany and russia are set in this weird pattern of tag teaming who gets to try to destroy Europe every 50 years, that germans are just kind of weird, and absolutely would collectively agree with the weird nazi shit.
I don't think that makes me anti white like some would suggest, don't mind the brits, the frogs, the spics, the wops, or even the poles, I'm just slightly more anti german.
95% of all horrible philosophies or ideologies that have resulted in soul-crushing tyranny and mountains of corpses over the course of human history have their origins in either Germany or France. Whereas the ideologies and philosophies that have consistently improved the human condition and resulted in freedom and prosperity were invented in the UK and perfected in the US. Anglos are just built different, seethe harder Continental scum.
>first thing bongs do when they invent boats is get the frick away from continental Europe
What else do you do w boats? Sail on land?
I don't think anyone would claim utilitarianism improved the human condition.
My brother! French cuisine, art, music, even some of their science, can be outstanding, and I will always appreciate their military innovations. But under no circumstances should the French ever be allowed to invent their own political systems. Always garbage. They should be forced to use traditional Anglo common law and such until they become civilized.
>French 'cuisine'
>it's just slop but named in French
lolwut? The Puritans got kicked out of Britain because they somehow managed to be too nuts for even the Anglicans. Then they started their own wave of persecution as soon as they came to America, they even had their own sharia police.
Things got so bad that President Washington got detained after the war for traveling on a sunday and breaking sabbath. Colonial Massachusetts was not a very fun or tolerant place to be.
>mfw slavery, the Civil War, Reconstruction era, Jim Crow
Seems like good ol times compared to today tbdesu
Yeah maybe if you're a lowlife piece of shit
Cry about it
I'm not going to cry about it but I'm going to wonder if your parents could have done a better job raising you, or if the school system failed you somehow.
>slavery was invented in the US
>the US was a significant part of the transatlantic slave trade
>the US is the only country to ever have a civil war
>the US is the only country to have race based laws
please
>>mfw slavery
Practiced by every civilization ever
>the Civil War
Contradicts you slavery comment. Is slavery is bad and the civil war is justified, or slavery is fine and the civil war was a mistake
>Reconstruction era
How dare they try to rebuild after a costly war?
>Jim Crow
Objectively better than today. Races aren’t equal and we aren’t the same. Separation is the only way to coexist peacefully
Reconstruction was a disaster
>completely missing all of the points
Figures
>How dare they try to rebuild after a costly war?
...are you moronic?
Calm down samegay, NTA but comparing America with its spicy labor in the literal mid 1800's to nazi germany sending perceived enemies of the state to camps a whole ass industrial revolution's worth of 100 years later as some sort of /misc/lack "gotcha" is arguing in poor faith.
I'm 100% American btw, post guns
So you really have no idea what reconstruction was.
I don't, and I don't really care bro
Nice guns btw
>guns
>guns
Guns used to be a shibboleth in /k/ but has devolved into "what I'm saying is stupid but I WIN MMKAY" which is moronic
like pepeposting, it's going to become a signifier of ornery mule-headed ignorance if this keeps up
>can't post a single gun that he owns on the firearms image board
>hurr it's a RIFLE not a gun
So you're neverserved (because nobody who has gives a single fricking shit about this dipshit "rule") AND noguns
You're just piling them up today, using an unironic israelite word is the cherry on top!
>you're neverserved
wrong
>(because nobody who has gives a single fricking shit about this dipshit "rule")
guess again, Sherlock
>AND noguns
wrong
>You're just piling them up today
that was my first post in reply to you actually
>using an unironic israelite word
wrong, it's an English word
I think you're the one piling them up, son
What was so bad about reconstruction in your eyes? Also way to ignore 3 of the 4 points
There are no other points. There's just you being clueless.
>he can’t answer the question
Thought so
The South lost
The nazis lost
Yep
Yeah and? Do you think that bothers me?
Please tell me you aren't American.
The dissolution of the monasteries and the use of state violence to convert an entire nation, parliamentarian autism and the civil war, Cromwell and the new model army, banning Christmas because puritanical fanaticism
Al the fricked up shit the frogs got up to in their revolution the brits did a few centuries earlier.
another braindead moron spam post in the moron board
>command, anon has received word of the icecream barge. Over.
>hear you loud and clear. Launching mortar strike on the icecream barge. Over.
If the US's specialty is logistics, what is the UKs, The British Raj? Canada's?
And other Nations?
>what is the UKs
maybe Anglos have the best fighting infantry from what ive heard they always seem to btfo everyone.
>US
Logistics
>UK
Morale with the stiff upper lip and all
>Aus
IRL shitposting and warcrimes apparently
>Canada
Not chasing glory, but in a positive way where you can trust them to do the basic shit right
>NZ
Being irrelevant
>Canada's?
Being incredibly brutal motherfrickers when they actually have to go to war, if German reports about them in WW2 are anything to go by
>US
arsenal of democracy (and laboratory, too)
>UK
experience and alliance-building
>Australia and Canada
elite infantry
(unlike the English who were mostly townspeople and farmers, they had a large number of outdoorsmen used to hostile environments)
UK's advantage historically was naval gunnery and very competent+aggressive captains/admirals. On land it was the quality of their infantry, although not the number.
The commonwealth had to learn some hard lessons about logistics early on in the pacific. The Canadian garrison sent to reinforce Hong Kong had the transport ship carrying all their transportation and heavy equipment unescorted and was marooned in the Philippines on December 7th and couldn't make it in time. The Americans ended up taking their trucks and Bren Gun Carriers and putting them to good use, but the Candian infantry got bent over a table bad as a result.
Likewise the Indians got their teeth kicked in during the fighting in Burma, which was an absolute mess until early '44. They recovered and ended up contributing to arguably the greatest logistical coup of the war building the Ledo Road, but they had to learn some harsh lessons fighting over the hills and towns hills of south asia
>the Indians
Effectively, that is the British.
>an absolute mess until early '44
Not really. They had figured out what they needed to do by end '42. Operation Longcloth was basically a spoiling attack to keep the Japs off-balance until the main effort was ready.
>they had to learn some harsh lessons fighting over the hills and towns hills of south asia
which they'd more or less figured out by then. They just had to spend time building the logisics infrastructure, training a proper army, and amassing equipment and supplies.
The CBI's most exciting period is in 1942, when the garrison got kicked in, and late 1944 / early 45, the counterattack. In between there was a long stretch of preparation only partially enlivened by that moron Wingate.
>UK
Intelligence and technology in WW2.
>Intelligence
Definitely, but why tech? Feel that was more US
>from Cryptonomicon
Isoroku Yamamoto spent a lot of time playing poker with Yanks during his years in the States, smoking like a chimney to deaden the scent of their appalling aftershave. The Yanks are laughably rude and uncultured, of course; this hardly constitutes a sharp observation. Yamamoto, by contrast, attained some genuine insight as a side-effect of being robbed blind by Yanks at the poker table, realizing that the big freckled louts could be dreadfully cunning. Crude and stupid would be okay—perfectly understandable, in fact. But crude and clever is intolerable; this is what makes those redheaded ape-men extra double super loathsome. Yamamoto is still trying to drill the notion into the heads of his partners in the big Nipponese scheme to conquer everything between Karachi and Denver. He wishes that they would get the message.
One of those threads that reminds me why I still come here
Ummmmmmmm ackshually weren't the BR1 in Africa then Europe? Why would they encounter a USN ice cream barge?