>mentions the Germans told them if they came across a MBT they should flee
>mentions he played video games (likely War Thunder), and remembered where he should aim
>he therefore wasn't relying upon actual formal training, but his experience in a video game to detail how to disable a t-90m
Is this a first? Where video games are used as a source of a winning battle tactic?
The tactics of blinding the T-90, then aiming for a weak spot seem valid.
>He remembered everything
>everything was known by him
Gamers are the true super soldiers.
WE. ARE. ...
War gaming's been around for a while now, and training sims indistinguishable from Warthunder or Loader, Heat! and such.
>Bloody clankas
SUPER BATTLE DROID
TAKE EM DOWN
WATCH THOSE WRIST ROCKETS
(decades from now, when I'm blabbingly senile in a nursing home and unable to even recognize my own family, I will still be able to recite sound clips from video games effortlessly)
YOU'VE GOT A CLEAR SHOT! TANK OUT THAT TANK!
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WATCH THOSE WRIST ROCKETS
George Lucas never should have sold off LucasFilm to those soulless fricks at Disney because a bunch of neckbeards made fun of him.
The gamers rose up...
perfect edit
Feels good seeing my hasty edit fly free like a beautiful bird.
Videogames aren't much different from flight simulators and stuff.
I don't get why people seem to be surprised.
flight sims probably influenced some pilot in the last 20ish years
those 'simulators' are the exact same as some 'video games'
just with correct details instead of publicly known estimations and purpose built controls
>flight sims probably influenced some pilot in the last 20ish years
Did Skyking try a simulator first or just wing it?
I think he just winged it? The ground control team was doing their best to talk him down, but he was still wobbly.
Skyking specifically mentioned he'd played some video games when asked if he knew how to fly the plane
This
Of course no simulation is perfect but it's common for video games to be used to either provide a basic introduction or to keep memory fresh once practical training is not available for whatever reason
Famously, Gran Turismo 4 was used by professional racing drivers on occasions where they couldn't access the tracks to train normally, to build familiarity with the tracks ahead of a race. This doesn't mean a Gran Turismo player can jump into a race car and be competitive, but it does mean a real race car driver can gain some value from training in the game because they already have the practical skills the game doesn't include in muscle memory. The same is probably true for tankers - WT can't teach you to drive a tank, but it can provide information that someone who CAN drive a tank can later apply to that task.
>This doesn't mean a Gran Turismo player can jump into a race car and be competitive
Anon, honey, they JUST made a movie about that based off a real driver.
Skyking
For me, the biggest thing flight sims helped out with prior to my training for my license was messing with the radio/gps unit. The one in the Skyhawk I flew was precisely the same unit as the one in XPlane. It helped me a ton when it came to working it for setting frequencies or the GPS destination.
I've been a drone operator in Ukraine and vidya background definitely helped. Not as much as professional military training of course, but better than nothing
Story time?
I had assumed it was a mis-translation. They were on Bradley simulators long before they got the vehicles. The video game he refers to is likely the training simulator.
That would be an incredibly strange mistranslation considering videogame and simulator/simulation are nothing alike in pretty much every language, since one word is literally thousands of years younger than the other.
He actually used the Ukrainian word for videogame, not simulator. He was very specific.
I don't think bradley sims teach you how to fight T90s since theoretically you should indeed fricking run
based warthunder. But even a braindead bot could realize that you need to shoot optics and side armor on a tank.
from the moment I saw the video in question, I've wondered if the detonation of a tank's turret roof ERA is enough to kill its own optics
I think it's more the idea that you can disable a tank with a vastly inferior vehicle by spamming cannon rounds so they can't react and fight back
>I think it's more the idea that you can disable a tank with a vastly inferior vehicle by spamming cannon rounds so they can't react and fight back
exactly
VR trained soldiers when?
Not really worth it tbh.
I worked on medium fidelity military sims, you need the physical controls to have muscle memory, VR doesn't give you that.
it eventually will thats why he asked when
>VR trained soldiers
>SPIT ON THE TANK, BRUDDAH, IT DOESN'T KNOW DE WAY
As a German i humbly request that we are nuked
That's the French plan if the russians ever make it across Poland. Sadly they can't even make it to the next STRATEGICALLY VITALLY IMPORTANT village (pre-war population: 50) in Ukraine.
>That's the French plan
Basé si vrai.
all that t-90 gunner had to do was not miss and both of those bradleys would be smoked
I want to see a bradley getting vaporized by SABOT
>just dont get hit
Easier said than done. Though in a proper army, that MBT would be backed up by its own IFV, who would deploy their infantry, and any number of them would be hitting the Bradleys with ATGM.
>nah, I'd hit
Out-fricking-skilled.
>should have rolled
Skill issue.
>can't see shit
>just hit two bradleys
you come at the king, etc
kek, I can imagine this dumb thirdies utter seethe at the current happening.
> all he had to do is to win the fight
>all that t-90 gunner had to do was not to lose
>all that t-90 gunner had to do was be a functioning human being
yea nah
skill issue
Yeah, that's why "hit the optic" is the first response any Bradley crew has to seeing an MBT.
If that fails, it's "I wonder how fast reverse gear is".
>"hit the optic"
and
> "reverse gear"
are not mutually exclusive responses. Bradleys almost never shoot while standing still, they are designed from the ground up to be in chaotic, unpredictable motion while laying down fire. You should probably watch one or two Bradley suppressive fire videos and try to learn something.
>t. my grandmother has wheels
you can't just hold down a button to repair your gun and optics IRL
if a bradley disables your main gun on first contact you're just gonna have to tank the hits.
So it's not the skill of the Bradley but the poor training of the Russians.
ten percent luck, twenty percent skill
One hundred percent concentrated power of will
70 percent flair
No because that will make the anime and Battletech community quite sad. BE THE GERMAN JAPANESE THINK YOU ARE!
Nuking Germany wouldn't make the Battletech community sad, not since the Katherine Incident
du dummer Spast. Einem überlegenen Gegner auszuweichen ist komplett angemessen. Renn halt in den Selbtmord wenn es dich gut fühlen lässt, so gewinnt man sicher den Krieg.
Thanks for proving my point my stereotypical asperger german on the internet
bring dich um
If you want to be nuked you're going to have to unfrick your energy policy and build your own.
have a nice day, falseflagging Black person.
IFVs should avoid combat with MBTs.
Enhance your calm, citizen
One can fire and flee at the same time, providing you have a good, stabilized gun. Hitting a tank is going to shake the crew. Even if you're not going to penetrate.
A tank won't know what's firing on it and may not know where. Which causes hasty reactions.
In the specific video, the range was so close that trying to charge towards the tank was the correct move because the situation had become do or die. Had the Bradley turned and ran, even while firing, they may just caught a shell through the rear.
>mentions the Germans told them if they came across a MBT they should flee
You both are morons
they were trained by Americans on German training grounds
why would you even think a Nation like Germany who has never operated a Bradley would be training them on it?
maybe they got some training on the marder as well, so they can operate both. maybe it was like school: from 8am to 9am the germans teach. from 9 to 11 its the americans and in the afternoon the brits share their wisdoms.
?
To be fair most westerners who took at face value sovietshit would consider an IFV shouldn't be capable to take on a MBT in a regular situation, but then again, being a post-soviet state soldier means you probably know how inflated the T series capabilities were.
can't wait to use my minecraft skills in this war
>Germans told them to flee
Why are Germans so meek?
The ones who didn't flee mostly died.
game logic dictates generic weak spots
such as
>commanders cupola
>gunners optic / port side of Mantlet
>drivers vision port / hatch
>hull gunners vision port
>hull side in front of the drive wheel / idler
>hull side above the road wheels
>the side of the engine deck cover
>muzzle crown of the gun
i hope all the r6 i played kicks in when it needs to
Holding a devious angle would probably work against 99.9% of mass shooter situations
I have generally wondered if Pre firing corners in American standard buildings would work. Like you can't be anywhere with civilians, or allies out of position, but man 90% of American homes and apartment buildings are made of basically air.
1000% chance someone in this war died because they tried to throw a csgo grenade and it bounced off the wall into their face
I clenched my sphincter watching that.
oh shi-
This is going to be the first conflict in history where grandpa has video evidence to backup his ridiculous war story.
You can see the NATO training in effect, single most NA nade I've seen in years followed by the dumbest hail mary plan actually pulling through.
>NA nade
>NA trainers are imparting NA aim on based Ukies who otherwise would embrace their slavshitter skills to win like their CS 1.2 player forefathers
kek
yup he probably wouldn't even need to tell. just spam his grandsons VR chat
Reminds me of that 97 year old Korean war vet we have at our Legion who threw back a grenade into an enemy bunker. We learned from his CO (still kicking at 98) that it was his own grenade he threw back at the bunker he was aiming at. The LCpl got the Military Medal for it. He of course never mentions that it was his own grenade...
God, what a save.
Seen it in the wind breaks with the dead trees, only dumb luck didn't potato it into their trench, kek
What useful skill do i get for playing hundreds of hours of Dark Souls and Elden Ring?
We haven't seen anyone trying to dodge roll away from a FPV drone yet, maybe it works.
there was that guy who perfect parried a drone grenade by kicking it away before it hit the ground, maybe he played sekiro
stop being a weeb and play something that at least tries to be realistic
nothing, until raytheon unweils their iFrame burst generator that is activated by doing a gymnastic roll with a running start
Vanquish suits when?
When DARPA get over their robotics phase and finally make a damn ARS suit.
How to get a maiden and that combat-rolling doesn't work if you're fat.
please give me the source
I sincerely hope that guy means vanilla games
he's right, after long enough you become a fricking surgeon
bullshit
In War Thunder you can't damage Russian tanks
Fortune favors the bold Anon. Sometimes, acting with aggression and celerity wins the day.
>plays WarThunder
>starts bumrushing MBTs with an IFV because it works in game
Oh god. I've just realised how many habits the military is going to have to train out of zoomers because of vidya.
>historical meta is heavily armored tanks because you can't train a boomer to rush and circle the enemy
>video games train an entire generation of morons to just suicidally rush with their glass cannon light vehicles
>it works because there's no physical reason why it shouldn't
Circle strafing works in Mechwarrior 2.
In every game where you have to balance speed armor and firepower, the optimal way to play is to ditch the armor and git gud until you just never get hit. It all makes sense now, this is where war is headed
>gaming was a psyop to train a whole generation of incredibly proficient drone and vehicle operators
It all makes sense now
Kojimbo I kneel...
Never forget
This guy was clearly the most competent leader Russia had and they just whacked him, it’s insane
Tsar Pavel, Alexander II, Stolypin.
Anybody who tries to save Russia from Russia will be murdered by Russia.
Russian state didn't murder Piotr Stolypin directly, they just... took away everything in the way of the Bolsheviks trying to kill him.
>Budanov said he might not be dead
I want to believe.
War…has changed…
amogus
sus
Sundowner did nothing wrong
%3D%3D
He wasn't referring to War Thunder.
why did you have to remind me
holy shit talk about a blast from the past. I think I was in 4th grade when this came out
>the Germans told them if they came across a MBT they should flee
>Germans told them if they came across a MBT they should flee
From
>A KING TIGER, RUUUUUUN
to
>A T-90 RUUUUUN
to be fair it makes sense if you expect a somewhat competent enemy
>allied intelligence
Da there are no Schwere Panzerabteilung in the area
>II SS Panzer Corps
yes nothing to see here
If you're operating an IFV without tank support, it's generally good practice not to engage an enemy MBT. The bradley crews were fortunate that their sustained fire crippled the T-90s optics and external equipment, but it could have very possibly gotten them killed had it not.
If all they were doing was fricking up optics and externals does that mean something like a 14.5mm could have worked?
>Bradley somehow justifies not only the twin Nork 14.5 turret but also upgrading them to gattling guns
Not unless you can make 14.5mm HEI-T
>14.5mm HEI-T
Actually that is a thing although most is API-T, almost all common 14.5mm is impact-incendiary
>something like a 14.5mm could have worked?
Nah. Watching that 25mm autocannon massacre a target is entirely worth it.
The armor did get penetrated by a minority of the rounds, you can see the holes in the aftermath picture.
I'm sure you can show the holes Bradley did to the T-90 and you aren't just lying
Here's the imagine. Nobody fricking posts this though they should in these fricking threads.
They did flee. The first fired until it ran out of ammo then dipped while the second one followed suit and continued buttoning the tank. That they ended up disabling it anyway doesn't mean they weren't actively trying to run
>this a first? Where video games are used as a source of a winning battle tactic?
No, close combat was used to teach squad tactics a decade ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Close_Combat:_Marines
>Is this a first? Where video games are used as a source of a winning battle tactic?
no
https://2ndbn5thmar.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/CCMWorkbookMcBreen2002.pdf
"I am an infantry major with fourteen years commissioned service, seven years with 5th Marines,
three years in schools, and three years as an infantry training officer with the Marine Corps
Warfighting Lab. I have deployed overseas with 2nd Battalion, 5th Marines four times. I have
commanded two infantry platoons and one rifle company. I have served as a battalion operations
officer and regimental operations officer. I am a student of tactics. I have taught NCOs and
officers infantry tactics. I have participated and led tactical decision training.
None of these activities or learning experiences can match the effective and focused tactical
learning that I have experienced through repetitive fighting of the small unit scenarios in “Close
Combat.”
Well I never served in the military so I like to think hours of playing Close Combat III: The Russian Front has turned me into an effective knower of small unit tactics.
>WHAt DO YOU MEAN ENEMY TANKS CAN MOVE IRL?
Well, that explains why I'm so bad at The Longest Day. It's actually got thought put into it
That was my intelligence officer father's favourite game when I was a kid. I miss him.
>made specifically for military training purposes
Video games will be played, and then everything will be remembered
The Bradley disabled the t-90 and the drone followed the bugged out crew and supposedly killed them.
BLUE BOARD!!!
The funniest part is, everything probably seemed fine until the pen.
The atmosphere no doubt went from
>Everything is fine
>Just keep pushing them
>Armor stronk
To
>Why is there hole in tonk
>Why is ammo glowing
>Why is it so warm in here
>AY BLYAT
>bradley shooting explosive rounds
homosexuals actually think it penetrated the turret
you can see the tank is still in one piece after the "explosion"
It did pen. Nobody claimed it actually blew up the tank, bud. Just won the engagement
this has to be a troll post. do you think kinetic rounds don't produce flash and sparks upon melting the target armor during penetration?
and that's not an explosion. it's the turret-mounted smoke canister going off, probably because it was perforated by armor spalling.
qrd: you don't understand what you're seeing and henceforth shall be known as a homosexual (by me)
nobody has ever said that the smoke launchers igniting was the tank exploding lmao.
the worst i have seen was people claiming that was the ERA going off.
I didnt follow this thing enough to know if there was a penetration or not, but i can understand why the crew bailed out, not a whole lot you can do when your optics are fricked and your reverse speed is slower than my shitbox of a car
>Firing HEI rounds at a MBT
>russian wunderwaffen are good, it's just russians that suck
weird cope but ok
Yeah that’s my point it was disabled. The Bradley used its chain gun to damage the optics of the t-90 disabling it. The t-90 veered into a tree with its turret spinning uncontrollably. It is important to note that the turret wasn’t spinning uncontrollably before the Bradley disabled it
The fricking tank got holes in it I just posted the picture.
Massive cope, the Bradley's mission killed the tank, the drone killed killed it.
Did you inspect the tank or something? I simply don’t believe your word
Were they going to Un bail? Because the Bradley's would probably stop that. And tanks don't crash into trees with uncontrollable turrets if everything is fine.
>and then they stop the turret and drive normally for a bit
The Bradley's didn't fire their tows because they were probably within the minimum arming distance, and were also trying to leave the area. Their intent was not to fight the t-90 but to give it enough to think about while they got the frick out
Virtual Battle Simulator and other sims have been used in formal training for decades, while Warthunder is far from a sim it still gets the basics of "front strong, sides weak" right.
Stuff like this
https://www.mvrsimulation.com/casestudies/cubic_missionfunctions.html
Is great because it can be realistic enough for training while saving a fortune on actual flight time.
Why is the turret repeatedly spinning afterwards then? The tank was clearly disabled from this and unable to continue fighting.
>mission kills don't count because they just don't ok
It caused the turret to spin wildly and destroyed or damaged all the sensors. That's certainly at least a scratch. You can't explain away what was clearly a successful engagement, despite it being extremely unlikely
War as a video game — what better way to raise the ultimate soldier?
>T-90 is so shit because a Bradley could damage its optics
>homosexuals ignore the same would happen to an Abrams
No, it's so shit because turret rig was damaged. Nobody cares about optics, it get damaged by small arms and frags all the time
It's shit because there's no backup to the main sights.
Once you lose those, you're blind, and basically have to open the hatch and fire while looking outside the tank.
The M1 has a backup sight, meaning that if you knock out the primary sight, you now have to deal with a very angry M1 crew that can still very much target and kill you.
The most comical part is that, even though the T90 HAS a backup sight, but it's basically right next to the main one, meaning if you hit one with a direct hit, you've probably damaged the other.
This is assuming it's one of the later models that even has one however.
>The M1 has a backup sight
and the backup sight is somehow immune to getting fire at
who said they didn't off camera?
>who said they didn't off camera?
Why would they do that off camera?
>Why would they do that off camera?
why would they cut off shooting unarmed men?
watch the full video not cut down propaganda crap
Isn't shooting retreating unarmed tanks crews considered as war crime? Not to mention that tank crew members have pistols.
no, shooting a retreating enemy that is not surrendering is not a war crime.
A tank is an arm and they were simply maneuvering in the wrong direction
The backup sight is nestled low and recessed deep into the mantlet. Look at an Abrams turret head-on and find it.
>The backup sight is somehow immune
I mean nothing's impossible, but it's an optical sight embedded deep in the mantlet. If it got hit, it's because something penetrating the turret mantlet
I have more important question: why didn't they kill the crew when they abandooned?
no they didnt
>no they didnt
the jannie warning? they literally did for "trolling" for a comment pointing out it was the smoke grenades exploding
probably because that's such a fricking stupid thing to say they assumed it was trolling
These are smokes, and in the extended version you can see the crew abandoned that tank as well.
I played a lot of Post Scritpum and Squad, I'm ready to fight.
>there was no penetration idiot
>it was smokes
Yeah my favorite part of any smoke deployment system is the part where it glows bright orage to white hot for seconds before it explodes providing minimal smoke coverage in a virtually useless straight line..
It looked like the smoke grenades cooked off, or at least burned. The crew may have tried to launch them but being damaged they did nothing, or they just cooked off themselves
here's redeffect's analysis of the fight so you don't have to spread false propaganda
The list of people who I am less inclined to listen to than lazerpig - fat moron that he is- is a short one, but red effect is on it
he does a good analysis of these videos especially pointing out propaganda stuff
>Shooting anyone that is retreating is a war crime
Do you have a citation from Geneva convention? As far as I concerned it's not.
You're probably mixing it with surrendered units.
It cuts off right after because the tank stops and nothing else happens. That's shortly before the crew bailed
No it's not. A retreating enemy that is not surrendering is still a lawful combatent
the bradley was badly damaged just saw a vid of it. Luckily the crew made it out fine rip chadley
may we see it?
it was on combatfootage but was deleted because there was no combat footage. But basically it was the dude from OP explaining what happened. The bradley seemed badly burnt but still in one piece.
>it was on combatfootage but was deleted
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/60741102/#60741102
video
nothing in that thread says the bradly is significantly damaged. just looks like an outer layer of add on armor got peppered with 12mm, which the main hull is impervious to.
Link to the video/interview?
Here comes the TOW-2B, woooosh...
why are they censoring the sides? is it painted full of nazi symbols?
God I hope so
Just the camo anon. Ukie official name is "Pixel" for a reason. Don't worry about it.
But does "working hard" like a slave really free you?
that's the stupid question !
Open up for the tandem EFPs!
Pop goes the T-90 (T-72B++++++++) turret~
Seriously anon there was a thread on this and you could have typed in "interview" in search. Have fun being spoon fed all 4 webms again..
>another video from same thread
all of the holes are clearly in add on spaced armor, didn't even pen the side skirt layer.
the Bradley's turret has the same armor as the rest of the hull, you're looking at another section of spaced armor/storage.
it's covered in mud and debris, if it was on fire it would be blatantly obvious.
side completely burned off
what? Are we looking a the same video?
he forgot to take off his russia winning goggles. please understand.
it's burned off you moron did you even look at the video?
>peremoga
Another vatnik litmus test, along with the use of the word hohol.
Supporters of Ukraine (which is most neurotypical people) do not actually know what these words mean.
Ukies use this word as well but just as part of the standard daily lexicon. Russians use it sarcastically, in a bitterly ironic sorta way. They also do the same with the "Freedom." Fricking slaves.
>video games are better teachers than NATO officials
No surprise here
There's a reason Germany doesn't have any top tier e-sports teams.
Are tanks obsolete yet?
The Marin Corps got rid of them for a reason. Drones ftw
not really surprising when tons of military leaks have been released due to the game itself existing and anxiety ridden people like us putting everything on the line to get the actual data on whatever tech they want to be more realistic
It seems like Bradley is spotting enemy vehicles first pretty consistently from the few videos I've seen in comparison to Soviet designs in ukr service
My dad is old and is Vietnam Vet. Basically said doctrine that everyone used to win/survive, throw down as much firepower as you can, as quickly as you can. Basically mag dump down range.
And that's basically how you won fire fight and came home.
I can't imagine it is any different in armored warfare and you bump into enemy and they bump into you.
By all rights, the two Bradleys should be fricked.
>MBT should have its own IFV in support laying suppressive fire
>dismounted infantry will flank the Bradleys, and hit them with ATGM
>T-90m actually missed twice