Confirmed: Marders will get pulled from ACTIVE SERVICE
Rheinmetall and Bundeswehr will be very Sauer Krauts indeed!
>you get transported magically to Ukraine
>you can pick between Marder, Bradley or any BTR
>dubs: any IFV of your choice
Confirmed: Marders will get pulled from ACTIVE SERVICE
Rheinmetall and Bundeswehr will be very Sauer Krauts indeed!
>you get transported magically to Ukraine
>you can pick between Marder, Bradley or any BTR
>dubs: any IFV of your choice
isn't the BTR an APC and not an IFV?
anyways, Bradley.
if get, BMP-2 because i'm gay and a masochist.
it's been actively replaced by the Puma for years, they're just finally getting enough that they can phase the Marder out. The US is years from a Bradley replacement, OMFV program hasn't even picked a winner
>Puma
you mean IFV that is made too short for average German male, has successful 100% breakdown rate and while main demand from army is that it can be operated by pregnant woman? That IFV?
sensational headlines about defense are rarely totally accurate
https://www.csmonitor.com/1982/0108/010843.html
>it's perfect, all news about it are lies. Germany stopped buying anymore of them because...because they have enough, okay?
>In March 2022 a second batch comprising 229 Pumas of the latest standard was announced to be ordered by the German military
in other words, you're a 90 IQ Black person who reads headlines instead of taking 30 seconds to do your own research
>Dec. 19, 2022, at 7:10 a.m. BERLIN (Reuters) -Germany will not purchase any more Puma infantry tanks until they have proven themselves to be reliable, Defence Minister Christine Lambrecht said
this is equally moronic as the articles claiming the US wouldn't buy any more CROWS mounts for the Abrams back in 2016 when in reality they issued a stop-work for a redesign, then bought more CROWS-LP
>B-but muh political pandering
Politicians don't know what they're doing most of the time. The full report showed that the vast majority of problems were due to shitty maintaince by the Bundeswehr and shitty performance by the crews. The decision of putting procurement on hold days after the headlines is just pure actionism. It doesn't mean shit
Another /k/ degenerate who doesn't know the first thing how putting a new weapon system into service works. At this point i'm convinced they couldn't differntiate between a MBT and a Twingo in camo paint.
>Tingo in camo
pop an ATGM on that sucker and you may as well have a take
you probably believe Armata will be put into service in two weeks
See? I could care less about vatnik stuff the problem they have is they can't even built 20 tanks so testing out the mistakes takes ages. Same with Puma - normally a weapon system like this would put out 200 for testing not 20 like the Bundeswehr have available. So the industry standart will take 10 time longer to achieve. I know /k/ degenerates will neither care nor grasp a simple fact like this.
My man, there are several hundred of them in service.
May I see
350 got delivered by August of 2021.
May I see them working on exercise in a number greater than 5
Join the army maybe.
I don't think they work do they anon.
Join the army and find out.
>It's written on a document so we must have them in working order
>No image exists of a large exercise with the Pumas or even Marders
Yeh
Anon I doubt you are allowed to take pictures on exercises. Or inside any military installation for that matter.
The last known number is from last year and it’s given at 350.
https://www.bmvg.de/de/presse/erklaerung-bmvg-medienberichte-ueber-schuetzenpanzer-puma-5560942
Proper design eliminates many problems before they begin. AFV are far less complex than noobs imagine so there is for example zero excuse for mechanical problems (drivetrain, engine etc) and little for others.
The public are now groomed to accept decades of beta testing. Germany quit being serious about weapons when the Wall came down and Rheinmetall didn't care to build anything on its own. They could have fielded twenty out of pocket. Ask any Krautanons how utterly neglected the German armed forces are today vs. the motivated, FUNDED, TRAINED West German forces extant when I was in EUSAFE in the early 1980s.
National pride makes children defend idiocy and while we laugh at pajeets and bugs Westerners are at least as silly.
least hyperbolic /misc/ack
moronic take. Consider meds.
It is in service, the frick are you talking about?
>Another /k/ degenerate who doesn't know the first thing how putting a new weapon system into service works.
Puma "went into service" almost 10 years ago...
>has successful 100% breakdown rate
Only 2 had real issues, the rest was hit about a single screw being loose and making a container rattle or a heater not turning on because somebody forgot to hit the on button.
17 of the 18 in question are fully operational again. German standards for that kinda stuff are high and you fell for fake news.
>demand from army is that it can be operated by pregnant woman?
I love how a requirement on emissions, chemicals etc that was exemplified with "having impact on fertility and the development of early-stage fetuses in pregnant females" became "vehicle must be operable by 9 month preggo wymin of the newly established 3rd Trimester Assault Battallion"
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As passenger I'd pick Marder. As crew I'd pick Bradley.
Ok lad's we've got a few hundred Marders on paper let's give the Ukies a few.
>sir we can't find them
>we need to pull some of those in active servive
Actual Russian tier, I fricking hate our defense ministry.
The marder is being replaced with the Puma, anon. That's like saying the US is "retiring" the m113 to send it to ukraine, they're already being replaced by the AMPV
Puma is fine. Bundeswehr treated them like cheap prostitutes, had several mostly minor problems as a result, everything was totally overblown by the ministry c**t who blamed the industry without even waiting for a proper assessment. It's the G36 all over again.
No the problem is that literally no one who talks about the Puma is grasping the simple fact that it's still in its testing phase and before industry standart is achieved this thing will go back and forth a few more times, because the number of vehicles available is too small. Completely standart procedure.
how much money they already poured into the project?
Yeah no. The lastest version was considered ready for action. And it probably would be, if maintenance and training were decent.
Then again, it doesn't like that's going to be the case with this government. The german army is shit and basically useless, either way.
>still in its testing phase
>On 6 December 2010, the first two serial vehicles were handed over to the German Bundesamt für Wehrtechnik und Beschaffung
13 years of testing huh?
The first Pumas were put into service in 2015 completely overhauled from the 2010 version and they have nothing in common with the latest version of 2020. They were completely redeveloped and are still in testing mode yes. At least learn the basics.
wow, anon! nothing in common? not even the engines, tracks, suspension system, autocannon, chassis or anything?
Lmao Germany has frick all vehicles does it. Nothing works hahaha
>>you can pick between Marder, Bradley or any BTR
nothing Bad with the Brad!
40 year old shitboxes
Still substantially better than the shitboxes operated by Russia and that is all that matters.
Time for some Puma ASMR
Bradley but only if not in gay desert camo
I pick Bradley
>Rheinmetall will be very Sauer Krauts indeed!
Why would they? they're selling the replacement