Less expensive to operate, easier to maintain, can be operated from improvised airfields. It's important to understand the limitations of your military in terms of budget. I'd rather have those and be able to properly train my pilots than a modern multirole fighter that sits in it's hangar because we're still saving up for spare parts.
Though with that being said I can't help but wonder if a high/low capability fleet of aircraft wouldn't be the best option. A few F-15s or whatever that can act as ghetto AWACS for your low capability fighters.
>What's their target use for these?
Can at least answer that one - their air force currently is a hodgepodge of thirty-eight mismatched F/A-18s, Hawk 200s and Su-30s. Every single airframe is at least 25 years old.
Since they're ordering 36 FA-50s, I presume their plan is to retire everything and have their air force modernized and standardized.
Also, FA-50s are $35 million each. As jet fighters go, that's not bad. How much is a "bargain" Gripen?
Considering they were checking out the Super Hornet and Rafale, I'm surprised the HAL Tejas made the shortlist.
No SEA country in their right mind would buy slavshit after the Ukraine shitshow. It's go F-35 or go full asiatic.
Malaysia now has a smaller military budget than the Philippines. FA50 is the best they can get while everyone else in their region is moving on to F-35s Gripens and Rafales , even Flips are getting F-16Vs
>even Flips are getting F-16Vs
Third time's the charm. You know they were totally going to get new F-16's in early to mid 90's, but 1997 economic crisis happened. They going to get second hand F-16C's around 2010, but that deal too imploded, partially due to economics and partially due to urgent requirement for COIN stuff to deal with muslim chimpouts south.
>a hardware clone of the F-16 >at a fraction of the price >made by South Koreans
It sounds like it's basically the perfect plane if you can't afford F-35s?
It sounds like perfect plane if you can't afford Gripen or F-16. It was gimped from the start to have lower performance than F-16, because Worst Koreans needed help from foreign manufacturers to develop it. They ended up partnering with Lockheed-Martin and their terms was basically limiting performance to level where it isn't a threat to F-16 exports.
>Who is Malaysia most likely to fight against next? What's their target use for these?
No one, if they want to keep living
Comparison with neighboring countries:
>Malaysia - 165k active and reservist personnel vs 796k Indonesians, 560k Thais, and 300k Singaporeans >48 Polish T-72s vs 500 Thai MBTs (VT-5, Oplots, and Pattons) and 400 Indo/Sing Leopard 2s >18 Su-30s (half of which don't fly) and 8 F-18Ds vs 60 Thai Gripens/F-16s, 100 Sing F-15/F-16s, and 50 Indo Sukhois/F-16s.... also the Thais and Sings are getting F-35s and the Indos have 42 Rafales on order
Malaysia would be raped by any single one of them, it will cease to exist if the other two jump in to exploit the situation
They're supposed to be getting AMRAAM capability in the next block, which makes them 100% a "real fighter". They're also cute, and don't smell like curry.
>FA-50s aren't even real fighters
Just not yet, but I heard that the Malaysians got a confirmation from KAI that the block 20 configuration will be ready until 2024.
"Made in India" isn't exactly a badge of honor in the rest of the world.
Meanwhile South Korea is a highly technologically advanced industrial country with several world renowned industrial concerns.
SAAB's job wasn't to make a plane for export, their job was to make a plane for Sweden. Foreign sales are welcome (to relive the burden on Swedish taxpayers somewhat), but they are far from the main goal.
It's enough of a fighter, more than that thing from Leonardo. And it can at least have AIM-9 and 120s. So it's enough for policing your own airspace. No one poor enough that has to resort to buying that rather than a real plane will need to do anything more than dealing with minor airspace violations
FRICK YOU AMERIBURGER MUTTS!
No one actually knows anything here just fanboys rooting for planes they think is pretty >homosexual gets appeased by design >makes up his his mind that it's the best one >constantly shills for it >muh f35, muh kf21
They're looking for FLIT/LCA (Fighter Lead-In Trainer/Light Combat Aircraft) to replacing their BAE Hawk 100/200 and Aermacchi MB339M. Not a frontline fighter.
homie, T-50/FA-50 was developed with the help of LM and uses an American engine.
China and Japan don't have this kind of low-end light fighter useless in a peer conflict.
>Don't need
They still do need a replacement for the aging trainers tho. Also high-low combination has been a thing for quite a while and FA-50 is fulfilling that role as it is the new F-5 freedom fighter at a fraction of the cost.
Are they products of incest or something? Only one of the daughters is decent looking while the others might as well be Hollywood props for a horror film
>a hardware clone of the F-16 >at a fraction of the price >made by South Koreans
It sounds like it's basically the perfect plane if you can't afford F-35s?
Why are Indians so bad at auto design. The Harrier looks like awkward thirdie garbage while the Sportage actually looks like something from the future.
Indian arms industry is unreliable as frick, especially for anything international. They bust deadlines, money disappears, and they constantly try to change terms.
>and they constantly try to change terms.
When it comes to their domestic sales, its more of a case of failing to meet performance requirements. When it comes to Indians importing or even worse, manufacturing stuff under license, quite a lot of weapons manufacturers have gone for non defense or aerospace companies for their local partners for maintenance and manufacturing. Better to deal with companies that haven't been corrupted by Indian defense procurement schemes.
Lol FA50s cost the same as Gripen and about 2x F16s
Bullshit. You gotta go with pretty damn old fly away costs for F-16 without adjusting it for inflation to get price of F-16 anywhere near FA-50. That is before we get into irrelevant details like operational costs.
I think all military aviation observers today classify the FA-50 as a 4th gen. That’s not bad as long as you challenge peers and not try to contest with F-35 operators. BTW does anyone know what the latest and greatest engine developments from Russia are?
>In June 2021, the RMAF formally released a tender for the supply of 18 light combat-aircraft - dubbed as the "Fighter Lead In Trainer-Light Combat Aircraft" (FLIT/LCA), in an effort to supplant its ageing BAE Hawk 108/208 light-combat aircraft and its MB-339CM trainer-aircraft.
>"Fighter Lead In Trainer-Light Combat Aircraft" >to supplant its ageing BAE Hawk 108/208 light-combat aircraft and its MB-339CM trainer-aircraft.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_Tejas#Malaysia
light fighters and trainers are typically the same thing these days and the tejas is very much a light fighter. so is the fa-50.
maybe do an actual comparison of the two. there isn't a huge difference.
>when India chimped out at a Philippines defense FB group because their gubmint picked Vipers over the Hal Tejas
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA SEA are so racist towards Indians
You morons on this website need to stop trying to look for the logic in government procurement. The decisions are made by either corrupt bureacrats/mil officers looking for a private sector gig once they leave public service or the decisions are made by idiots who would get cleaned out at a used car lot. The government (all of them) barely knows what the frick is going on half the time.
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Malaysia now has a smaller military budget than the Philippines. FA50 is the best they can get while everyone else in their region is moving on to F-35s Gripens and Rafales , even Flips are getting F-16Vs
DISAAT NEGARA LAIN PUNYA GENERASI 4.5 , INI MALAH PESAWAT MAINAN PUN DIBELI WKWKW, COCOK JADI SASARAN TEMBAK TNI, WKWKWKWK
Semoga deal Tejas. Orang India di malon bersuka cita karena terpilih pesawat tejas utk tudm...roti capati,Kane,mariam + kari ...for free all you can eat for a week...
Dan se ASEAN akan ikut senang.. Ahahahahahaaaaaiiiyyy
>Why would you pick them over dedicated multirole fighters?
Wrong question. The right question is "can you afford good dedicated multirole fighters from a dependable source and the infrastructure and budgets to operate them?" Because with Made In India, you get neither good nor dependable. You might be able to afford them, but where does that get you?
Any plane is a fighter if you can strap a guided missile onto it.
They didn't want them pooed in
>not a real fighter
bro it has an engine, radar and pylons, its a fighter
who the frick would buy a tejas?
Pantaslah Malon pakai TEJAS karena harga dan kualitasnya sesuai dengan anggaran militer yang Ciput.....itu keputusan terbaik yang Malon lakukan
Less expensive to operate, easier to maintain, can be operated from improvised airfields. It's important to understand the limitations of your military in terms of budget. I'd rather have those and be able to properly train my pilots than a modern multirole fighter that sits in it's hangar because we're still saving up for spare parts.
Though with that being said I can't help but wonder if a high/low capability fleet of aircraft wouldn't be the best option. A few F-15s or whatever that can act as ghetto AWACS for your low capability fighters.
Who is Malaysia most likely to fight against next? What's their target use for these?
>What's their target use for these?
Can at least answer that one - their air force currently is a hodgepodge of thirty-eight mismatched F/A-18s, Hawk 200s and Su-30s. Every single airframe is at least 25 years old.
Since they're ordering 36 FA-50s, I presume their plan is to retire everything and have their air force modernized and standardized.
Also, FA-50s are $35 million each. As jet fighters go, that's not bad. How much is a "bargain" Gripen?
Su30 mkms are not even 20 years old.
And they are already trash.
Malaysia now has a smaller military budget than the Philippines. FA50 is the best they can get while everyone else in their region is moving on to F-35s Gripens and Rafales , even Flips are getting F-16Vs
>even Flips are getting F-16Vs
Third time's the charm. You know they were totally going to get new F-16's in early to mid 90's, but 1997 economic crisis happened. They going to get second hand F-16C's around 2010, but that deal too imploded, partially due to economics and partially due to urgent requirement for COIN stuff to deal with muslim chimpouts south.
It sounds like perfect plane if you can't afford Gripen or F-16. It was gimped from the start to have lower performance than F-16, because Worst Koreans needed help from foreign manufacturers to develop it. They ended up partnering with Lockheed-Martin and their terms was basically limiting performance to level where it isn't a threat to F-16 exports.
Lol FA50s cost the same as Gripen and about 2x F16s
Gripen is between $30 and $40 million per unit
F35A $78 million, F35B $101 million and F35C 94 million
KF21 is going to $70 to $80 million per unit, almost certain they will get in line to buy several Boramaes
>Who is Malaysia most likely to fight against next? What's their target use for these?
No one, if they want to keep living
Comparison with neighboring countries:
>Malaysia - 165k active and reservist personnel vs 796k Indonesians, 560k Thais, and 300k Singaporeans
>48 Polish T-72s vs 500 Thai MBTs (VT-5, Oplots, and Pattons) and 400 Indo/Sing Leopard 2s
>18 Su-30s (half of which don't fly) and 8 F-18Ds vs 60 Thai Gripens/F-16s, 100 Sing F-15/F-16s, and 50 Indo Sukhois/F-16s.... also the Thais and Sings are getting F-35s and the Indos have 42 Rafales on order
Malaysia would be raped by any single one of them, it will cease to exist if the other two jump in to exploit the situation
They're obviously fighting against the big red blob up north dumb ass
If they can't even deter their shithole neighbors I doubt they are going to give China any pause
China and their local client states
Malaysia is one of the more China friendly, anti-Western states in the region. 54% of the population still supports the Russian invasion of Ukraine
A South Korean trainer is still a better fighter than anything India produces.
They're supposed to be getting AMRAAM capability in the next block, which makes them 100% a "real fighter". They're also cute, and don't smell like curry.
>FA-50s aren't even real fighters
Just not yet, but I heard that the Malaysians got a confirmation from KAI that the block 20 configuration will be ready until 2024.
Anything is a good fighter compared to a tejas
>over Tejas
Good choice.
"Made in India" isn't exactly a badge of honor in the rest of the world.
Meanwhile South Korea is a highly technologically advanced industrial country with several world renowned industrial concerns.
Third world countries needed a new A-4/F-5E
The FA-50 fits the bill and has supplanted the Gripen A-D
This where Saab failed, they should have made the Gripen the ultimate thirdie choice instead of techcreeping it and making it more expensive
SAAB's job wasn't to make a plane for export, their job was to make a plane for Sweden. Foreign sales are welcome (to relive the burden on Swedish taxpayers somewhat), but they are far from the main goal.
Money, politics
It's enough of a fighter, more than that thing from Leonardo. And it can at least have AIM-9 and 120s. So it's enough for policing your own airspace. No one poor enough that has to resort to buying that rather than a real plane will need to do anything more than dealing with minor airspace violations
Good morning sirs
DO NOT REDEEM PLANE
FRICK YOU AMERIBURGER MUTTS!
No one actually knows anything here just fanboys rooting for planes they think is pretty
>homosexual gets appeased by design
>makes up his his mind that it's the best one
>constantly shills for it
>muh f35, muh kf21
Like high school kids at recess the goal isn't to discuss, the goal is to form cliques and scream really loudly at each other.
>No one actually knows anything here
Projecting much?
Aww, butthurt burger
Considering they were checking out the Super Hornet and Rafale, I'm surprised the HAL Tejas made the shortlist.
No SEA country in their right mind would buy slavshit after the Ukraine shitshow. It's go F-35 or go full asiatic.
They're looking for FLIT/LCA (Fighter Lead-In Trainer/Light Combat Aircraft) to replacing their BAE Hawk 100/200 and Aermacchi MB339M. Not a frontline fighter.
>you know korea will offer kf-21 to sea c**ts
india btfo
japan btfo
usa btfo
chyna btfo
homie, T-50/FA-50 was developed with the help of LM and uses an American engine.
China and Japan don't have this kind of low-end light fighter useless in a peer conflict.
>Don't need
They still do need a replacement for the aging trainers tho. Also high-low combination has been a thing for quite a while and FA-50 is fulfilling that role as it is the new F-5 freedom fighter at a fraction of the cost.
>Tej-ass
>Ins-ass
Its all about that street-shiiting even in their weapon design.
>Malaysia
holy frick
Aphex Twin still got it
Are they products of incest or something? Only one of the daughters is decent looking while the others might as well be Hollywood props for a horror film
If the Shadow over Innsmouth were a documentary, this would be in it.
thats indonesia you moron
same shit different toilet
Malaysia has no money for new multiroles
>a hardware clone of the F-16
>at a fraction of the price
>made by South Koreans
It sounds like it's basically the perfect plane if you can't afford F-35s?
Even a maxed out F16 goes for $25 million, some models can be purchased for $10 million
>buying Indian (anything) over Korean (anything)
Do people really
Malaysia made the logical choice
Is this the KIA Sportage vs Tata Harrier, of the air?
Why are Indians so bad at auto design. The Harrier looks like awkward thirdie garbage while the Sportage actually looks like something from the future.
Unironically sportage looks like it is designed for some Black person while harrier looks subtle and decent
Not surprising since poos have shit tastes.
Indian arms industry is unreliable as frick, especially for anything international. They bust deadlines, money disappears, and they constantly try to change terms.
>and they constantly try to change terms.
When it comes to their domestic sales, its more of a case of failing to meet performance requirements. When it comes to Indians importing or even worse, manufacturing stuff under license, quite a lot of weapons manufacturers have gone for non defense or aerospace companies for their local partners for maintenance and manufacturing. Better to deal with companies that haven't been corrupted by Indian defense procurement schemes.
Bullshit. You gotta go with pretty damn old fly away costs for F-16 without adjusting it for inflation to get price of F-16 anywhere near FA-50. That is before we get into irrelevant details like operational costs.
I think all military aviation observers today classify the FA-50 as a 4th gen. That’s not bad as long as you challenge peers and not try to contest with F-35 operators. BTW does anyone know what the latest and greatest engine developments from Russia are?
Fake news
The contract is still in final assessment stage
SIR DO NOT REDEEM FA-50
The Poland of SEA is pleased with your purchase, malaysianon.
>In June 2021, the RMAF formally released a tender for the supply of 18 light combat-aircraft - dubbed as the "Fighter Lead In Trainer-Light Combat Aircraft" (FLIT/LCA), in an effort to supplant its ageing BAE Hawk 108/208 light-combat aircraft and its MB-339CM trainer-aircraft.
>"Fighter Lead In Trainer-Light Combat Aircraft"
>to supplant its ageing BAE Hawk 108/208 light-combat aircraft and its MB-339CM trainer-aircraft.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_Tejas#Malaysia
light fighters and trainers are typically the same thing these days and the tejas is very much a light fighter. so is the fa-50.
maybe do an actual comparison of the two. there isn't a huge difference.
>when India chimped out at a Philippines defense FB group because their gubmint picked Vipers over the Hal Tejas
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA SEA are so racist towards Indians
You would think they would be happy with them buying anti ship missiles from India
>happy
Those Brahmos were monkey export versions with only half the range.
Flippos should have bought Harpoons or even better more Spike NLOS.
You morons on this website need to stop trying to look for the logic in government procurement. The decisions are made by either corrupt bureacrats/mil officers looking for a private sector gig once they leave public service or the decisions are made by idiots who would get cleaned out at a used car lot. The government (all of them) barely knows what the frick is going on half the time.
Because Tejas are shitty little lightweight trainers, too, but they're also Indian, which means they're worse.
Why on earth would anyone pick the Tejas?
Keyword is "offered". They RMAF FLIT/LCA result not even damn announced yet.
Shut the frick up. Malingshit.
DISAAT NEGARA LAIN PUNYA GENERASI 4.5 , INI MALAH PESAWAT MAINAN PUN DIBELI WKWKW, COCOK JADI SASARAN TEMBAK TNI, WKWKWKWK
Semoga deal Tejas. Orang India di malon bersuka cita karena terpilih pesawat tejas utk tudm...roti capati,Kane,mariam + kari ...for free all you can eat for a week...
Dan se ASEAN akan ikut senang.. Ahahahahahaaaaaiiiyyy
>Why would you pick them over dedicated multirole fighters?
Wrong question. The right question is "can you afford good dedicated multirole fighters from a dependable source and the infrastructure and budgets to operate them?" Because with Made In India, you get neither good nor dependable. You might be able to afford them, but where does that get you?