>direction of Odesa or Kyiv
So locations where no combat takes place? What a pile of horseshit.
Better not be too hasty. With the US effectively out of the war and Germany very much following suit you can pretty much be sure Ukraine will never have enough ammo. There's only so much Czechs can provide on their own.
I suppose it's a nice hard line in theory, given the russians have been very vocal about retaking Odessa recently. They'll never get to the point of calling Macron's bluff, but on the other hand, it might make some vatnik officers go >"Hm, even if we get to Odesa then we might have to deal with the french, and then possibly other NATO forces"
>>"Hm, even if we get to Odesa then we might have to deal with the french, and then possibly other NATO forces"
In Russia there will be less opponents of war with France/Nato than with Ukraine, just saying
So no, it is an incentive not an obstacle
a decent proportion of russian forces drank their own kool-aid and think they *are* already fighting nato, the only thing not to underestimate about the russians this war is how moronic they are
>If the front line advances in the direction of Odesa or Kyiv
So not gonna happen?
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These two at once. Amazing how he can look tough while not actually doing anything at all.
If he does it, even as a symbolic gesture, I forgive the frogs for everything.
America and the rest of Europe are behaving like such gigantic fricking cowards right now, it's a shame that the French are having to teach us lessons in bravery. Russia only responds to displays of strength and feeds on weakness and division. Even as a gesture it sends a message to Putin that NATO is serious and that he's playing with fire.
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But... he did. Also it's often forgotten, but France is also, after the US of course, the country that sent the most aid to Ukraine between 2014-2022. Stop getting your "news" from Viseshit24.
Anon, I don't think you've read this graph correctly. The blue bar is what they've actually sent whilst the grey bar is the amount they've promised to give in joint EU packages.
They're currently being outdone by such infamous hawks as the Japanese and that world renowned political heavyweight Denmark, according to this graph. Frick, they've barely done more than Italy, which should shame every Frenchman into trying harder.
The grey bar is not just promises, no more than the full bar, which also contains promises. The grey bar is when going through the EU common pot. That's it. Some countries go fully through the common pot, some less and more through their own canals, some other go half-half. Obviously a country like the UK goes fully through its own canals.
>Several NATO countries opposed this idea, including Germany, the Czech Republic, Bulgaria, Poland, Spain, and Italy >At the same time, some countries are ready to consider this possibility, such as Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia.
Based baltics, as always
While Baltics have resigned themself to the fact they are next our gov still thinks russians can be stopped somewhere else(like Baltics) And we dont have nukes yet.
homie who's gonna hold the Suwałki gap if Polish military entangles itself in Ukraine?
Any potential military action by NATO should be carried out by those who actually aren't in any danger.
Correct. France has no defense obligations to the Ukraine, and therefore will not send troops to fight Russians when the frontline reaches Kiev and Odessa. France has no capabilities to oppose Russians in its former African colonies, let alone in the high intensity continental war
>France has no capabilities to oppose Russians in its former African colonies
France has no reason to do this and Africa is a negative-sum game which they are happy to let Russia inherit
France would just murder the Russians. That would be a slaughter. The frogs are a power. They have nukes as well so much nook argument won't work. macron would absolutely do it unilaterally.
Do you know the difference between direction and location? Any advancement northwest of Donetsk is in the direction of Kyiv, because Kyiv is northwest of Donetsk.
What Russia needs to do is scorch the earth from Belarus to Moscow to deny them any booty and sustenance, Moscow and anything bigger than a small village needs to be set on fire
If Macron actually wanted to act tough, he'd set up a no-fly zone in western Ukraine.
I will sort of give Macron a little bit of credit to the extent that he's thinking a bit more strategically on how to deal with Putin and give him more headaches. So at least there's some driving force from Europe there in the sense that they need to push back against Russia because there's way too much arse dragging from everyone else.
No. He's pretty much admitting he won't send French troops into Ukraine, because the front will never advance into Kyiv or Odessa again.
He's just full of shit, like all Frenchmen are. All talk, no action, pathetic narcissist.
>Russians accessing the med
Over my dead body. Italy rules the Mediterranean, I will make the red brigades look like a gaggle of toddlers if we allow Russians to have an in in the Mediterranean.
Russia's been trying to make Ukraine's neighbors complicit in the invasion by offering a repeat of the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact >Russian President Vladimir Putin allegedly tried to tempt Poland into invading Ukraine with the goal of partitioning the country in 2013, former Polish Foreign Minister Radek Sikorski told Ben Judah in an article in Politico. >Putin wants Poland to commit troops to Ukraine. This was one of the first things that Putin said to my prime minister, Donald Tusk, when he visited Moscow. >He went on to say Ukraine is an artificial country and that Lwow is a Polish city and why don’t we just sort it out together.
https://www.businessinsider.com/putin-offered-to-partition-ukraine-with-poland-2014-10
It's bantz between Poles and Ukrainians since a good part of western ukraine has historically been Polish. It's no more realistic than Germany re-annexing Silesia.
You mean Czechs re-annexing Silesia.
Btw as much as it's a meme I'm actually salty about German-Polish annexation of Silesia. The region was Bohemian since 13th century and now we are left with just small poor shitty part of it.
t. Czech
2 months ago
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At least we have reclaimed the Královec, even if only ironically.
2 months ago
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Why are slavs so obsessed with clay?
2 months ago
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Ask Germans (and I mean ethnical Germans) how they feel about Alsace. Or Danes how they feel about Scania or Hungarians about Transylvania or Greeks about Ionia. It's a European thing. You wouldn't get it.
2 months ago
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Danes, outside of semiironic and or/highly autistic map gamers, don't care about Scania >t. live there
2 months ago
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Its not only clay thing. They're butthurt America claimed entire continent with pleasant climates. They see this as undeserved because they have more history and got only winter misery and long borders. But they fail to see how america wad born out of departing colony or how its civilized with canada.
2 months ago
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There's quite common joke in Poland saying that we should declare war on Czechy and immediately surrender.
2 months ago
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Silesia was Czech land by law but there were hardly any Czechs living in most of it. It was a mix between Poles and Germans since the end of 12th century, with poles being slowly replaced by Germans until WWI when Poles remained only in the Easter parts of Upper Silesia.
Why does /k/ endlessly shit on Germany for doing too little when France has literally done nothing while supposedly having the best armed forces in Europe?
Holy shit I remember that specific illustration of a burning girl with the two cats
The cats later lock up her ashes
Shit fricked me up as a kid and I've remembered it this whole time
NTA but aside from the fact that 80 are a lot there are also all those that were only sent due to the ringtausch program.
No idea if that constitutes "hundreds" but it's a lot.
>Ringtaush
Don't worry, they also got reimbursed by other EU members. >Berlin received more than half of the huge funds allocated by the EU for public aid in connection with the war in Ukraine.
>In the period March 2022 - June 2023, European Union member states spent EUR 141 billion for purposes related to mitigating the consequences of the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
>89 percent of these funds went to only three countries: Germany (52%), Italy (28%) and Spain (9%). This means that more than half of the EUR 141 billion was received by German companies and institutions. They used the so-called subsidized loans granted on preferential terms and "projects of common European interest or treaty protection against disturbances in the economy of a member state".
>The assistance is provided on the basis of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union (TFEU).
>In turn, Italian companies benefited primarily from loan guarantees, and Spanish companies from direct grants and treaty protection against disruptions.
Because Soviet Union.
Looking like lenin was the thing to do in 1920s Soviet Russia. Obviously when the purges come and all othe old commmunists get removed looking like Lenin means you go to gulag.
You don't expect much from a country which most famous tool of war is a white flag.
They got their asses handed over in WW2, in Vietnam, in Algeria, even in ww1tnry needed America's help to win, even their most famous military genius ultimately lost everything being beaten by Russian, British, Germans and Spanish.
Amazingly they even managed to lose a war against Haiti.
If there is an army that can make Russia look capable and innovative by comparison is the french. Even the Italians are more competent.
And the much hyped french military industries really have such a low production output that are nearly irrelevant.
Spanked by retreating and leaving the country? What kind of mongoloid history have you been reading?
2 months ago
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I said they spanked Mexico, which they did, in both the Pastry War and the civil war when they tried to install a monarch only for the US to make them frick off after they were done with their own civil war. You don't actually think Mexico stood up to France, Britain, etc. on its own do you? Jesus, hispanics are more delusional than I ever could have imagined.
Frankly, the US likely fricked Mexico harder by intervening than the French did. Maximilian's legacy couldn't be any worse than what they have now.
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Also >If you don't occupy a country forever you lose
Always a classic.
>first to send western SPAG >first to send cruise missiles >first to send western AFVs
France has done a lot without making much of a fuss over it. Meanwhile the Germans spend half a year b***hing at their allies when asked to do anything then proceed to send rusty Iglas, Gepards without ammo and Leopards 2 without spare parts. Then there's also all their stalling on common NATO decision or deliberately not signing off ammo production contracts for Ukraine last year. And now that Russia is seemingly getting the upper hand they're full on peace not war this isn't our conflict.
this
france has kept most of their shit hidden instead of bragging about it for political goodboy points
it's always failing politicians that fall back on "tough-on" stances in order to save their careers ie look at Boris
Because people forget that germoney is happy to pay the bills instead of sending shit themselves. And that's less flashy... So poles get applause for sending tanks but in the end it was Germany's offer of replacing the old shit boxes with Leos that powered the deal.
It's a bit more complex than simple plain incompetence.
It really is the end result of twenty years of Merkel doing nothing while practically turning the foreign ministry into an annex of teh chancellory, preceded by fifty years of not having a diplomatic presence that went beyond 'let us sell you our stuff'
Anyway, the setup works. We pay for stuff that removes the vatniks from teh premises. It'd be great if we were to send some more. Like Taurus.
This is just to say that they won't allow Ukraine to stop existing as a sovereignty state, we can now laugh at every zigger dream of ever crossing the Dnipro at least.
>This is just to say that they won't allow Ukraine to stop existing as a sovereignty state
Who the frick is "they" anon? France isn't doing that, it's all the other countries. Macron is just using the work these others have done to puff up his "Jupiter" image. He's a funny little narcissist and nothing more.
To all the russian shills screeching about how he's just doing this to look tough and because there's an election, I'd invite you to consider that TZD is now apparently an election winning platform in at least one western country.
Keep fricking around, and you'll find out soon.
Russia delenda est.
>Just Black Panthers & Tankies/Antifa
Whoeever made that picture... Do they not see MAGA as also being fifth column? I mean not 2016 MAGA; DNC SHOULD get its corruption exposed. Seems pretty delusional at this point to think it could be turned around, with Trump now crying for TikTok not to be banned, Republicans now using the word neocon, etc etc...
I think that this aside from appearing like you are doing something while you aren't actually doing anything.
It is crossing a red line just a little bit at a time just at the start of the war.
Saying you'l send tanks, the russians getting all worked up, then starting to train ukies on said tanks and the russians getting mad again ect until the tanks are blowing up russians and the russians don't do jack shit in actual retaliation.
The other thing it does is frame any future negotiations. IF the french are credible that they would intervene if the russians go west of the Dnieper then that will impact the negotiating positions. They would then know again IF the french are credible that completely taking Ukraine is out of the picture and trying to might end up worse for the russians.
again IF the french go trough with what they say they will.
How good is modern french army?
On one hand you have Napoleon history where they dominated the world, on other you have WW2 experience where they straight up surrendered country without a fight.
>How good is modern french army?
Pretty solid, not to be lightly fricked with or think that they won't cover everything in and everyone in high explosives, gratuitously. Sure there's some level of dysfunction like you get in any armed forces but nothing that's going to cripple them in a conventional war in Europe. Long range power projection- maybe less good but they are still capable of showing up and causing problems
The stance he tooks makes him look smaller. Honestly I just think it's kinda funny that he somehow looks more out of place in this photo than Uncle Joe does, given he has the energy of an Oblivion NPC
2 months ago
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lmao how hard is it to admit you're wrong >our geriatric looks taller than your homosexual!!!
2 months ago
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Congrats on showing everyone you can't fricking read.
>with mighty syrup-poutine genes
He is 0% French-Canadian.
His mother was a BC born brit liberal, his father a south-american commie.
He was raised mostly between Ontario and Nova Scotia. He had a residence in Quebec Gatineau, but Gatineau is about 90% anglo depending on where you specifically talk about.
He had to take immersion school mid highschool to learn French.
He went to university at McGill and UBC.
The only thing French-Canadian about him is the name. He's closer to BC liberals than anything else from the Belle Province.
>Napoleon was short
This is as smoothbrained a take as “Only Columbus knew the world was round!”. Napoleano was 5’6” in English units. Yeah not tall, but not short, just average.
>This is as smoothbrained a take as “Only Columbus knew the world was round!”. Napoleano was 5’6” in English units. Yeah not tall, but not short, just average.
Napoleon lived during the last Maunder minimum, everyone was short back then due to persistent starvation years.
>everyone
People were shorter on average, sure, but children of wealthy families and coastal peoples eating fish got plenty of protein in youth to be as tall as tall people today. In antiquity the Germanic people were derided as milk and butter eaters by the Romans, but taller from that protein, as were people from Italic fishing villages. The people of Pompeii when it was buried in ash had pretty much same average height as the modern people living nearby.
You're right, Macron is as pathetic as Monke. A short man with delusions of grandeur. We're lucky France has better safeguards, or Little Jupiter would go off and invade Germany or something.
The air flowing directly next to the fuselage (and wings) is slower than the air flowing further out. This slow-moving air is called the boundary layer. If this slow, turbulent air is ingested by the engine, it can cause problems like compressor stalls, which can lead to a loss of power. Separating the intake from the fuselage with a gap or a wedge called a splitter plate ensures the engine gets clean, uninterrupted airflow for optimal performance.
PUT SOME RESPECT ON HIS NAME
https://intermarium24.eu/index.php?page=read&id=5874 >Emmanuel Macron Announces Plans for Permanent Defense Mission in Moldova
I hope this materialises into something concrete, although I'm not very optimistic, words are easy. As a Romanian, my interest in the Ukraine war is that Russia doesn't get to anally rape Moldova.
finally. let's end this "will they, won't they - kinda but not really"-war. shit or get off the pot. find a diplomatic solution or go whole hog. just like with the gaza conflict, i'm so fricking sick of hearing about it. just end it. glass the whole fricking region, i don't care. just end it.
Anon, the U.S. being able to topple a regime within a month or two is unique to us. We jump tech levels and industrial capacity every time we have a serious conflict. Most states have to slug it out for a while
this guy has military experience, but his last boots-on-the-ground encounter was in the early eighties and was counter terrorism, the rest of his whole career he was on fricking *boats*, he has no idea what GWOT infantry would have experienced or not, and the lessons ukraine is learning about artillery spam are already over a hundred years old and institutionally accounted for. "Communications are what you make" Yeah no shit, moron, that's why you get trained to communicate, hurrr durrr
How does that 5th article whatever is called works?
If France attacks Ruskies in Ukroland and Ruskies destroy Eiffel tower is it still considered attack on HATO despite granny enjoyer starting it first?
I'm going to reveal to you a deeply-held massive secret about international laws and relations:
The rules are all made up and don't matter, the only thing that drives decisions at any given point in time is the analysis "what benefits us the most in the short/long run?"
Article 5 is highly interpretative. Basically: An armed attack on one NATO member is an armed attack on all NATO members. Respond accordingly.
Anything and everything can be argued to be / to not be an armed attack. Anything and everything can be argued to be a fitting response.
A drunk RusBlack person shooting at a Polish border guard is enough to trigger WW3, the bombing of Rzezow could mean Germany sends 3 helmets and a sixer of beer.
It would be like this: France kills every zigger in Ukraine but don't touch russia except for military targets that directly threaten France including on Ukrainian soil.
In case of russia attacking France it's an act of war against NATO.
France is a world power still. Considering Russia is already bogged down by Ukrainians using western gear, France getting directly involved would be a big problem. And if France fights them, Britain will likely follow shortly. And if Britain decides to jump in on a Crimean War remake, the US and the remainder of NATO will get drawn in as well, if only to try and sort shit out before it really does spiral into WW3.
How would western powers fight Russia without it being a total war? Russia will fully mobilize and attack everything it can, including European cities and civilians. And the West will respond in kind. There's no way you can push Russia out of Ukraine without massively striking inside Russia, without destroying their industrial power. It will be a total war.
fully mobilized Russia is still 150 mil country while facing eu of 500 mil - this is similar size difference like between Ukraine and Russia currently - so mobilizing minorities in limited manner would probably be enough
Russia would not directly attack Europe for two reasons. They lack capability to do so also because they are scared to do so.
And even if it actually happened it wouldn't be world war. Simply because it would be limited to one theater.
I think you’re making the classic mistake of assuming that Russians are rational actors. They are not.
“The difficulty in understanding the Russian is that we do not take cognizance of the fact that he is not a European but an Asiatic and therefore thinks deviously”
He is only doing it for electoral purposes. He fears losing the European elections badly to Le Pen. He's only argument is "she's a Russian agent", that's what all his party have been saying for the last few weeks. I'd say most of French people don't care, but the boomers do care. He wants to show that people who are against sending troops are against Ukraine, and therefore for Russia. It's all talk, he'll never do anything.
France is a world power still. Considering Russia is already bogged down by Ukrainians using western gear, France getting directly involved would be a big problem. And if France fights them, Britain will likely follow shortly. And if Britain decides to jump in on a Crimean War remake, the US and the remainder of NATO will get drawn in as well, if only to try and sort shit out before it really does spiral into WW3.
But France won't do shit so it's all moot
God imagine if Boris was still in for the UK, he would jump at the chance for Crimea pt2. >French British carrier groups spotted entering the Bosphorus strait >Russia: Ha the Turks will never let them through >Mein Putin, the Turks have just loaded 100k troops and equipment onto the British and French fleet >Blyat
honestly this isnt such a bad idea
id assume most ukrainian troops are not on the frontline but rather guarding the border or doing supply, admin, checkpoints, etc. etc.
if nato/french troops take over these jobs they are not in immediate danger and still can free up several hundred thousand fresh ukrainian troops for actual combat missions
Macrons defense minister publicly denied sending troops to ukraine this morning.
I dont know what the frick is macron doing, but it seems army general staff doesn't want anything to do with ukraine and is pressuring the defence minister right now
He's playing internal politics. EU elections are in a couple of months, and he's losing big time.
He's main opponent, the RN ("far-right"), is 10 points ahead of his list in the polls. Macron is failing on everything, and his only argument his muh far-right muh nazi. It's not just Macron suddenly saying we're sending troops otherwise the russians will win, it's all synchronized with everyone in his government accusing the RN of being pro-Putin in every public intervention, whatever the subject.
Plus the guy is a narcissist. Before the war he was all cozy with Putin, inviting him will full honors in Versailles... THe when the war starter in 2022 he tried to put himself in the light, trying to negociate a peace (the guy was fully deluded and was thinking he would have the Nobel Prize). When that failed, he did a 180 to, again, be at the center of everything and became the most hawkish thinking he would lead the free world and democracies against authoritarianism. Plus he can't run again in the next election, so he's aiming tol be some big shot somewhere, probably President of th EU.
ie the guy is a deluded narcissist that changes opinion everyweek, depending on what suits the moment and who he's talking to.
Russia is mainly a land power while France's armed forces are mainly suited for expeditionary campaigns. The Russians would have an advantage early on thanks to their large army and massive soviet stockpiles but french troops are better trained and have superior tech so the French could turn it around eventually.
>massive soviet stockpiles
You mean the ones that have been looted, raided, and sold off in international arms deals to third world countries or American surplus importers for the last 30 years? Yeah... About that.
No, I mean the thousands of soviet tanks, IFV's and SPG's that they've been using in Ukraine.
What do you think the Ukrainians have been fighting against, origami tanks from Bhutan?
shut down any attempt at being civilized humans by making a ton of ""french"" bots just to flood french tw*tter which will inevitably trickle back here
IF EU/NATO countries want to actually fight a war with russia, why in the frick would you send troops into Ukraine? Just open a new front you idiots and releaf some pressure off of ukrainians.
Because we don't
And neither does Russia despite their moronic posturing, so occupying Ukr territory with NATO troops would be one of the better bets to freeze the war. The Reds wouldn't have the balls to continue attacking.
Nobody is going to freeze the war, complete russian withdrawal, forced or at their will.
IF EU/NATO countries want to actually fight a war with russia, why in the frick would you send troops into Ukraine? Just open a new front you idiots and releaf some pressure off of ukrainians.
Because this isn't going to be a declaration of war to russia, just an obligation to defend Ukrainian territorial integrity.
Even Navalny was just as crazy when it came to foreign policy though
And Putin has stuffed the upper echelons with his siloviks so it's probably going to be someone from the same circles
>Simply not happening
Nobody will ask you about it, when you're short on men and military equipment.
Pure hopium
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>Pure hopium
russia can not win a single Ukraine, I don't doubt that France+Ukraine will frick russia up good
now you can return to your delusions about stronk russia back
2 months ago
Anonymous
Russia is weak as frick but I seriously doubt the frogs will actively advance against their troops
You don't need to be strong when you have fricktons of mines
2 months ago
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But there will be chaos during the regime change, infighting, who takes what. All the opportunity for Ukraine to push Russians out, and solidify their borders with the help of the west.
2 months ago
Anonymous
They already have a near feudal army organization so I doubt a lot would change
2 months ago
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Their fricking Captain just died walking along the frontline. Their army organization is merely a suggestion.
2 months ago
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>Navalny bad! >putin stonks!
huh
2 months ago
Anonymous
Navalny was bad and so is Putin
But where do you think the magical peacebringer is going to come from
2 months ago
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>Navalny was bad
He was murdered, do they still pay 15 roubles for posts this quality?
2 months ago
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Of course he was murdered, do you think having been murdered makes him a saint? He didn't support Ukraine as an independent nation any more than Putin does.
2 months ago
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Oh pol propaganda here.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Read up on his views dude
doesn't this just give more ammo to Putin to justify brutalizing Ukraine even more?
No they'd do it anyway. The frogs have the right idea but their plan is not to fight Russians, it's to act as a deterrent for further advances. If they wanted a fight they'd deploy now instead of when the major cities are threatened again
2 months ago
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you're a braindead if you think that all of what a politician says is true
2 months ago
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Even if Navalny had been this magical saint, they aren't going to get a better guy after Putin
It's probably going to be some spook or military hardliner again
>Simply not happening short of a full scale war with NATO and nobody is going to advocate that
If France helps with its army then it's pretty happening. >full scale war
Why? France is obligated to help Ukraine restore their territorial integrity, think next time you invade a country with such pacts.
>think next time you invade a country with such pacts.
Yeah and the pact that stripped Ukraine of its nukes meant the US safeguarding their territorial integrity with a carrier group and expeditionary force oh wait
2 months ago
Anonymous
Not sure what were you trying to say.
won't that just escalate the war even further?
sending weapons/supplies is one thing, but sending troops is completely different.
>won't that just escalate the war even further?
Yep, increased rate of attrition of russian military and men.
2 months ago
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Such pacts are toilet paper to any real nation
2 months ago
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your real nation is on the verge of another collapse :^)
2 months ago
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I'm not Russian so that's untrue
2 months ago
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But you sound like one:
Such pacts are toilet paper to any real nation
2 months ago
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Considering Russia wiped its ass with the pact (which it also signed) and the US also used a pretty loose interpretation of guaranteeing their territorial integrity (here, have some humvees and ACUs, not our problem), the pact might as well have been TP
They should have kept the nukes
2 months ago
Anonymous
I don't agree, you can't magically make russian disappear so you inflict as much damage as possible. It's a win-win for everyone except russia.
2 months ago
Anonymous
It's not a win-win for Ukraine for sure
Making the most of a fricking terrible situation maybe but I wouldn't be so nonchalant about it
2 months ago
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In the long term it is, short-mid term yeah they're fricked.
Why not?
In all of history there has never been a better time than right now to conquer Moscow. Every hypothetical belligerent in the entire world is queued up and salivating at the prospect, just waiting for casus belli.
Real life is not Europa Universalis
You need as much of a casus belli as the Russians did i.e. none whatsoever
But war does not bring you votes in a democracy so nobody is in a rush to go to war
2 months ago
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>But war does not bring you votes in a democracy so nobody is in a rush to go to war
2 months ago
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I mean Bush was reelected too but that would be very much an anomaly in Europe
2 months ago
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Oh yeah, the various peoples of Europe are all famously peaceful and definitely not warlike at all...
2 months ago
Anonymous
It's been more than 80 years dude
The only ones with real fighting experience since then are the bongs and the frogs.
>Zelensky said he don't want foreign army on the Ukraine's ground >Macron want to send troops if [condition] in Ukraine
Litteraly invading Ukraine on the diplomatic view
So this is essentially a message to Russia that regime change in Kiev (i.e. overthrowing the Ukrainian state) is considered an unacceptable outcome and that France will intervene to prevent it, right?
>gives the perfect excuse so France can leave out that negative sum shithole that is Africa for free >Available French troops now redeployed in Ukraine
lmao gotta love that butterfly effect. M-Master strategist.
I think people might be missing the political fencing going on. Macron knows, based on his intelligence briefs with the rest of NATO, that there's something coming very soon that's going to preclude the Russians from ever contesting Odessa or Kyiv. As such, he feels no danger in making this kind of provocation. It gives red meat to the hawks domestically, can be spun however he wants to appease the doves after the fact, and makes it look as if France is, at least rhetorically, standing by its commitments.
Plus, it makes Russia seethe, which is always a plus.
We already did, when you allied with the Soviets to backstab us and Britbros during the Suez episode. For which if you didn't, the current shitshow in the middle East wouldn't even be a thing, but whatever. We're even now. No biggie. It's been a long time. Just do the same and move on.
'still like you enough though, Burgerbro, don't worry, you're cool, burgers are kino, you make good entertainment and I'll FRICK YEAH at Starship's launch next week. As any good Westerner should do, really.
REMINDER: If something is in your country’s interests, you must be willing to shed your countryman’s blood
You can’t sell victory. You must always pay.
The west doesn’t seem to understand this.
- « Within ten years, we shall have the means to kill 80 million Russians. I truly believe that one does not light-heatedly attack people who are able to kill 80 million Russians, even if one can kill 800 million French, that is if there were 800 million French in the first place. »
>USSR's ambassador reminds him Paris is at Soviet's missiles range
- « Well, Mister Ambassador, then we shall die together! »
>russians and frogs killing each other
this truly is the best time line
>if the russians break through to odea
>I.E. never
Better not be too hasty. With the US effectively out of the war and Germany very much following suit you can pretty much be sure Ukraine will never have enough ammo. There's only so much Czechs can provide on their own.
>With the US effectively out of the war
wat? we approved the aid package.
now actually follow that money
>all aid actually goes to zelensky! money laundering!
wow russia can't even take down a country that isn't receiving aid money
you're very funny to watch
>we approved the aid package
No? Only the Senate did. House still hasn't voted and looks like it's never going to.
never got past the house and it never will unless some miracle happens
Trump literally told Russia to claim the clay that doesn't pay.
Which is very weird as literally all NATO countries on Russian border pay 2% or more.
He could have sent more aid than fricking Norway or Sweden first.
Frogs really deserve to be shat on for how cheap they are.
These two at once. Amazing how he can look tough while not actually doing anything at all.
I suppose it's a nice hard line in theory, given the russians have been very vocal about retaking Odessa recently. They'll never get to the point of calling Macron's bluff, but on the other hand, it might make some vatnik officers go
>"Hm, even if we get to Odesa then we might have to deal with the french, and then possibly other NATO forces"
Just raining on their parade I guess.
If Macron actually wanted to act tough, he'd set up a no-fly zone in western Ukraine.
>>"Hm, even if we get to Odesa then we might have to deal with the french, and then possibly other NATO forces"
In Russia there will be less opponents of war with France/Nato than with Ukraine, just saying
So no, it is an incentive not an obstacle
a decent proportion of russian forces drank their own kool-aid and think they *are* already fighting nato, the only thing not to underestimate about the russians this war is how moronic they are
They have frick all to give.
>Norway or Sweden
We aren't exactly poor
If he does it, even as a symbolic gesture, I forgive the frogs for everything.
America and the rest of Europe are behaving like such gigantic fricking cowards right now, it's a shame that the French are having to teach us lessons in bravery. Russia only responds to displays of strength and feeds on weakness and division. Even as a gesture it sends a message to Putin that NATO is serious and that he's playing with fire.
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But... he did. Also it's often forgotten, but France is also, after the US of course, the country that sent the most aid to Ukraine between 2014-2022. Stop getting your "news" from Viseshit24.
Anon, I don't think you've read this graph correctly. The blue bar is what they've actually sent whilst the grey bar is the amount they've promised to give in joint EU packages.
They're currently being outdone by such infamous hawks as the Japanese and that world renowned political heavyweight Denmark, according to this graph. Frick, they've barely done more than Italy, which should shame every Frenchman into trying harder.
The grey bar is not just promises, no more than the full bar, which also contains promises. The grey bar is when going through the EU common pot. That's it. Some countries go fully through the common pot, some less and more through their own canals, some other go half-half. Obviously a country like the UK goes fully through its own canals.
You're either a fricking idiot or a paid disinformant. Or a PiS shill, which counts as both.
If Macaroni actually does it I will forgive him for being a turbo homosexual the past 4 years
Man I love when Twittercap Nothingburgers from /misc/ spill over
>log in to view post
Frick off
Source: My hairy french ass
https://newsukraine.rbc.ua/news/macron-outlines-condition-under-which-france-1709888133.html
>Several NATO countries opposed this idea, including Germany, the Czech Republic, Bulgaria, Poland, Spain, and Italy
>At the same time, some countries are ready to consider this possibility, such as Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia.
Based baltics, as always
Baltics know that Russia's next move (well, second to next move, troonymoldova is next) is to invade them to connect Kalingrad with annexed Belarus.
>poland cucking out of it
CO DO KURWY, fricking why my retarted brethren are we cucking out now ?
Ponieważ taniej wychodzi dawać im pieniądze i uzbrojenie.
While Baltics have resigned themself to the fact they are next our gov still thinks russians can be stopped somewhere else(like Baltics) And we dont have nukes yet.
homie who's gonna hold the Suwałki gap if Polish military entangles itself in Ukraine?
Any potential military action by NATO should be carried out by those who actually aren't in any danger.
>If the front line advances in the direction of Odesa or Kyiv
So not gonna happen?
Won't happen but damn, it would be pretty fricking /k/ino
There’s an extremely remote possibility of that happening
Correct. France has no defense obligations to the Ukraine, and therefore will not send troops to fight Russians when the frontline reaches Kiev and Odessa. France has no capabilities to oppose Russians in its former African colonies, let alone in the high intensity continental war
>France has no capabilities to oppose Russians in its former African colonies
France has no reason to do this and Africa is a negative-sum game which they are happy to let Russia inherit
France would just murder the Russians. That would be a slaughter. The frogs are a power. They have nukes as well so much nook argument won't work. macron would absolutely do it unilaterally.
>direction of Odesa or Kyiv
So locations where no combat takes place? What a pile of horseshit.
Do you know the difference between direction and location? Any advancement northwest of Donetsk is in the direction of Kyiv, because Kyiv is northwest of Donetsk.
Why wouldn't they say at least Kharkiv in that case.
Nah, it's just bullshit plain and simple. Especially Odessa.
Hillary post op.
What Russia needs to do is scorch the earth from Belarus to Moscow to deny them any booty and sustenance, Moscow and anything bigger than a small village needs to be set on fire
And they need to do it today, or it will be too late.
No time like the present
I will sort of give Macron a little bit of credit to the extent that he's thinking a bit more strategically on how to deal with Putin and give him more headaches. So at least there's some driving force from Europe there in the sense that they need to push back against Russia because there's way too much arse dragging from everyone else.
Czechia has also been doing a lot, like the 1 million shell deal, going around getting more funds etc.
No. He's pretty much admitting he won't send French troops into Ukraine, because the front will never advance into Kyiv or Odessa again.
He's just full of shit, like all Frenchmen are. All talk, no action, pathetic narcissist.
who is that on the right?
Medvedev.
is there any truth to the "poland wants to take western ukraine" meme?
No but they want to take Belarus because it would grant access to Mediterranean sea
>Russians accessing the med
Over my dead body. Italy rules the Mediterranean, I will make the red brigades look like a gaggle of toddlers if we allow Russians to have an in in the Mediterranean.
Russia's been trying to make Ukraine's neighbors complicit in the invasion by offering a repeat of the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact
>Russian President Vladimir Putin allegedly tried to tempt Poland into invading Ukraine with the goal of partitioning the country in 2013, former Polish Foreign Minister Radek Sikorski told Ben Judah in an article in Politico.
>Putin wants Poland to commit troops to Ukraine. This was one of the first things that Putin said to my prime minister, Donald Tusk, when he visited Moscow.
>He went on to say Ukraine is an artificial country and that Lwow is a Polish city and why don’t we just sort it out together.
https://www.businessinsider.com/putin-offered-to-partition-ukraine-with-poland-2014-10
man, I wonder why nobody took them up on that?
no, only ones who actively want clay are m*gyars
rest have long since civilized
It's bantz between Poles and Ukrainians since a good part of western ukraine has historically been Polish. It's no more realistic than Germany re-annexing Silesia.
>It's no more realistic than Germany re-annexing Silesia
I believe Czechs have a better claim to it since historically it was theirs the longest (Poland lost it in 12th or so century)
You mean Czechs re-annexing Silesia.
Btw as much as it's a meme I'm actually salty about German-Polish annexation of Silesia. The region was Bohemian since 13th century and now we are left with just small poor shitty part of it.
t. Czech
At least we have reclaimed the Královec, even if only ironically.
Why are slavs so obsessed with clay?
Ask Germans (and I mean ethnical Germans) how they feel about Alsace. Or Danes how they feel about Scania or Hungarians about Transylvania or Greeks about Ionia. It's a European thing. You wouldn't get it.
Danes, outside of semiironic and or/highly autistic map gamers, don't care about Scania
>t. live there
Its not only clay thing. They're butthurt America claimed entire continent with pleasant climates. They see this as undeserved because they have more history and got only winter misery and long borders. But they fail to see how america wad born out of departing colony or how its civilized with canada.
There's quite common joke in Poland saying that we should declare war on Czechy and immediately surrender.
Silesia was Czech land by law but there were hardly any Czechs living in most of it. It was a mix between Poles and Germans since the end of 12th century, with poles being slowly replaced by Germans until WWI when Poles remained only in the Easter parts of Upper Silesia.
hey, I live in that part 🙁
absolutely medieval approach to international relations, love to see it.
KRESY NASZE
This clown is proof that you can't expect anybody to replace Putin to be any better
>you can't expect anybody to replace Putin to be any better
Because he fricking killed them all
in the direction of =! into
Women's slacks give him confidence.
lel I saw Medman recently in some video talking about the war and had a chuckle as he aged into a post-40 slav woman
Funny how Russians have some strange clothing styles. He almost looks like a gay Commie Chinese. Chinese commie style with gay HELLO LOOK AT ME style.
Why does /k/ endlessly shit on Germany for doing too little when France has literally done nothing while supposedly having the best armed forces in Europe?
Because France actually does have the largest land army in Europe while Germany can barely give its soldiers broomsticks for training purposes.
It's all fun and games until you are on the receiving end of the broomstick.
>Thisismybroomstick.jpg not found
Holy shit I remember that specific illustration of a burning girl with the two cats
The cats later lock up her ashes
Shit fricked me up as a kid and I've remembered it this whole time
strubelpeter
>Germany gives hundreds of tanks
>France gives a dozen of glorified light tanks
80 tanks are 'hundreds" now?
NTA but aside from the fact that 80 are a lot there are also all those that were only sent due to the ringtausch program.
No idea if that constitutes "hundreds" but it's a lot.
>Ringtaush
Don't worry, they also got reimbursed by other EU members.
>Berlin received more than half of the huge funds allocated by the EU for public aid in connection with the war in Ukraine.
>In the period March 2022 - June 2023, European Union member states spent EUR 141 billion for purposes related to mitigating the consequences of the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
>89 percent of these funds went to only three countries: Germany (52%), Italy (28%) and Spain (9%). This means that more than half of the EUR 141 billion was received by German companies and institutions. They used the so-called subsidized loans granted on preferential terms and "projects of common European interest or treaty protection against disturbances in the economy of a member state".
>The assistance is provided on the basis of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union (TFEU).
>In turn, Italian companies benefited primarily from loan guarantees, and Spanish companies from direct grants and treaty protection against disruptions.
>Germany can barely give its soldiers broomsticks for training purposes.
in russian world that would mean something different...
>it's not gay if it's rape
I think this attitude is the crucial difference between a first world and a third world country.
Why does the guy on the bench in the 1930 pic look like Lenin?
Because Soviet Union.
Looking like lenin was the thing to do in 1920s Soviet Russia. Obviously when the purges come and all othe old commmunists get removed looking like Lenin means you go to gulag.
You don't expect much from a country which most famous tool of war is a white flag.
They got their asses handed over in WW2, in Vietnam, in Algeria, even in ww1tnry needed America's help to win, even their most famous military genius ultimately lost everything being beaten by Russian, British, Germans and Spanish.
Amazingly they even managed to lose a war against Haiti.
If there is an army that can make Russia look capable and innovative by comparison is the french. Even the Italians are more competent.
And the much hyped french military industries really have such a low production output that are nearly irrelevant.
I have the impression that the puccians are actually afraid of the french, and are going all out on the banter. Keep going Ivan 🙂 !
>and Spanish
Kek, nice try rodriguez
And Mexicans also.
France spanked Mexico though. Shouldn't have meddled with their traders.
Spanked by retreating and leaving the country? What kind of mongoloid history have you been reading?
I said they spanked Mexico, which they did, in both the Pastry War and the civil war when they tried to install a monarch only for the US to make them frick off after they were done with their own civil war. You don't actually think Mexico stood up to France, Britain, etc. on its own do you? Jesus, hispanics are more delusional than I ever could have imagined.
Frankly, the US likely fricked Mexico harder by intervening than the French did. Maximilian's legacy couldn't be any worse than what they have now.
Also
>If you don't occupy a country forever you lose
Always a classic.
>first to send western SPAG
>first to send cruise missiles
>first to send western AFVs
France has done a lot without making much of a fuss over it. Meanwhile the Germans spend half a year b***hing at their allies when asked to do anything then proceed to send rusty Iglas, Gepards without ammo and Leopards 2 without spare parts. Then there's also all their stalling on common NATO decision or deliberately not signing off ammo production contracts for Ukraine last year. And now that Russia is seemingly getting the upper hand they're full on peace not war this isn't our conflict.
this
france has kept most of their shit hidden instead of bragging about it for political goodboy points
it's always failing politicians that fall back on "tough-on" stances in order to save their careers ie look at Boris
I agree with this post, but it was mainly france who opposed buying ammunition from outside of EU. Only changed it's stance few weeks ago.
Because Scholz is a fifth column DDmoron working for the Russians.
Because people forget that germoney is happy to pay the bills instead of sending shit themselves. And that's less flashy... So poles get applause for sending tanks but in the end it was Germany's offer of replacing the old shit boxes with Leos that powered the deal.
>Czechs plan to buy shells
>By having Germany buy the shells
Great plan, Czechia is really pulling its weight there.
>Czechs plan to buy shells
>and Germans will pay for it
Krauts have money but their diplomats and glowies are incompetent. For us it's the opposite. It's only natural to pair up for common goal of TZD.
It's a bit more complex than simple plain incompetence.
It really is the end result of twenty years of Merkel doing nothing while practically turning the foreign ministry into an annex of teh chancellory, preceded by fifty years of not having a diplomatic presence that went beyond 'let us sell you our stuff'
Anyway, the setup works. We pay for stuff that removes the vatniks from teh premises. It'd be great if we were to send some more. Like Taurus.
Ukraine could minmax this by opening up a path to odessa to trigger the event
the Third Impact but it's just an airdropped Griffon and its chute fails to deploy
honhonhon operation Britanique is a go
This is just to say that they won't allow Ukraine to stop existing as a sovereignty state, we can now laugh at every zigger dream of ever crossing the Dnipro at least.
>This is just to say that they won't allow Ukraine to stop existing as a sovereignty state
Who the frick is "they" anon? France isn't doing that, it's all the other countries. Macron is just using the work these others have done to puff up his "Jupiter" image. He's a funny little narcissist and nothing more.
Well if the germoid homosexual had his way, Russia would be in Warsaw by now, taking the lead even if symbolically matters a lot.
>France sends troops to Ukraine
>France surrenders 2 weeks later
What do you base that on?
Historical precedence.
The French are not a people known for bravery.
XD
You clearly don't know anything about history and just repeat moron memes.
>if I talk shit instead of sending aid I'll look tough without actually having to do anything
Literally medvedev tier
Personally I'm just waiting for the hilarious new propaganda caricatures
Damn that looks badass.
To all the russian shills screeching about how he's just doing this to look tough and because there's an election, I'd invite you to consider that TZD is now apparently an election winning platform in at least one western country.
Keep fricking around, and you'll find out soon.
Russia delenda est.
>Just Black Panthers & Tankies/Antifa
Whoeever made that picture... Do they not see MAGA as also being fifth column? I mean not 2016 MAGA; DNC SHOULD get its corruption exposed. Seems pretty delusional at this point to think it could be turned around, with Trump now crying for TikTok not to be banned, Republicans now using the word neocon, etc etc...
>Majin Macron
Ayyy lmao
He did tweet about Akira Toriyama today.
I think that this aside from appearing like you are doing something while you aren't actually doing anything.
It is crossing a red line just a little bit at a time just at the start of the war.
Saying you'l send tanks, the russians getting all worked up, then starting to train ukies on said tanks and the russians getting mad again ect until the tanks are blowing up russians and the russians don't do jack shit in actual retaliation.
The other thing it does is frame any future negotiations. IF the french are credible that they would intervene if the russians go west of the Dnieper then that will impact the negotiating positions. They would then know again IF the french are credible that completely taking Ukraine is out of the picture and trying to might end up worse for the russians.
again IF the french go trough with what they say they will.
Civilité
Fidélité
Fraternité
pour
Éternité
Encore une fois, à Sébastopol !
How good is modern french army?
On one hand you have Napoleon history where they dominated the world, on other you have WW2 experience where they straight up surrendered country without a fight.
It's good on paper but they are not allowed to ever go all out so they are losing their remaining influence over Africa rapidly
>How good is modern french army?
Pretty solid, not to be lightly fricked with or think that they won't cover everything in and everyone in high explosives, gratuitously. Sure there's some level of dysfunction like you get in any armed forces but nothing that's going to cripple them in a conventional war in Europe. Long range power projection- maybe less good but they are still capable of showing up and causing problems
Don't worry about that so much.
The point is what happens to the FFL when European powers want to send their militaries in but it's the French who have the guts to.
Historically, it tends to get rather big rather quickly.
One of the most capable after US, China and Russia.
I keep pressing f5 but the ranking's stuck in 2022
Veterans of wars in Africa say that what they learned there made them "rugged" but that wont be of much use in Ukraine where it's totally different
4th best in the world and only because Russia and China's militaries are way bigger
He has that Ruler of Evropa phenotype tbh
He does. Too bad he's a huge homosexual
> 5 feet, 7 inches (173 cm
Oh no no no. A midget with a superiority complex
could be worse. could be the frickINg LEAF who does a namby pamby, male modeling school Power Stance at every international event
just look at this wienermongler
Biden looks like he's disgusted to breathe the same air as Trudeau's fruity ass.
trudeau is pretty tall. he mogs the entire line up.
The stance he tooks makes him look smaller. Honestly I just think it's kinda funny that he somehow looks more out of place in this photo than Uncle Joe does, given he has the energy of an Oblivion NPC
lmao how hard is it to admit you're wrong
>our geriatric looks taller than your homosexual!!!
Congrats on showing everyone you can't fricking read.
Nah, Macron is criminally handsome.
Who's that on the far right?
Prime minister of Finland. Obviously.
Ah, of course. Gomenasai.
Ursula von der Leyen
Kishida
Oi, Kisama
I miss Bojo
He's too busy breeding the next generation of Johnsons for the hato death squads to be PM sadly, a truely noble cause though.
I can't be the only one who wonders if nobody ever told him how to use a goddamn comb.
Brits like to be ruled by someone a bit zany
>Trudy legspreads so as not to completely tower over everyone with mighty syrup-poutine genes
Sounds pretty based ngl
>with mighty syrup-poutine genes
He is 0% French-Canadian.
His mother was a BC born brit liberal, his father a south-american commie.
He was raised mostly between Ontario and Nova Scotia. He had a residence in Quebec Gatineau, but Gatineau is about 90% anglo depending on where you specifically talk about.
He had to take immersion school mid highschool to learn French.
He went to university at McGill and UBC.
The only thing French-Canadian about him is the name. He's closer to BC liberals than anything else from the Belle Province.
Meanwhile bojo's just standing there STACKED as FUARK
>midge wars
It's part of Frog Lore
>Napoleon was short
This is as smoothbrained a take as “Only Columbus knew the world was round!”. Napoleano was 5’6” in English units. Yeah not tall, but not short, just average.
>This is as smoothbrained a take as “Only Columbus knew the world was round!”. Napoleano was 5’6” in English units. Yeah not tall, but not short, just average.
Napoleon lived during the last Maunder minimum, everyone was short back then due to persistent starvation years.
>everyone
People were shorter on average, sure, but children of wealthy families and coastal peoples eating fish got plenty of protein in youth to be as tall as tall people today. In antiquity the Germanic people were derided as milk and butter eaters by the Romans, but taller from that protein, as were people from Italic fishing villages. The people of Pompeii when it was buried in ash had pretty much same average height as the modern people living nearby.
How tall is Putin, pidroashka? Why do you keep owning yourself?
You're right, Macron is as pathetic as Monke. A short man with delusions of grandeur. We're lucky France has better safeguards, or Little Jupiter would go off and invade Germany or something.
VGH… JVPITER…
Rafale time?
Pic reminds me of question: why is the air intake separated from the fuselage by ?a few inches?
Something to do with boundary layer air being turbulent as far as I recall. Most planes seem to do it.
The air flowing directly next to the fuselage (and wings) is slower than the air flowing further out. This slow-moving air is called the boundary layer. If this slow, turbulent air is ingested by the engine, it can cause problems like compressor stalls, which can lead to a loss of power. Separating the intake from the fuselage with a gap or a wedge called a splitter plate ensures the engine gets clean, uninterrupted airflow for optimal performance.
Hopefully
How is French people surrendering gonna help Ukraine?
PUT SOME RESPECT ON HIS NAME
https://intermarium24.eu/index.php?page=read&id=5874
>Emmanuel Macron Announces Plans for Permanent Defense Mission in Moldova
I hope this materialises into something concrete, although I'm not very optimistic, words are easy. As a Romanian, my interest in the Ukraine war is that Russia doesn't get to anally rape Moldova.
finally. let's end this "will they, won't they - kinda but not really"-war. shit or get off the pot. find a diplomatic solution or go whole hog. just like with the gaza conflict, i'm so fricking sick of hearing about it. just end it. glass the whole fricking region, i don't care. just end it.
Anon, the U.S. being able to topple a regime within a month or two is unique to us. We jump tech levels and industrial capacity every time we have a serious conflict. Most states have to slug it out for a while
mmm roasted froggies
Oh we welcome it froggies, us russians know how to fight a real war and not GWOT. We're not afraid))
this guy has military experience, but his last boots-on-the-ground encounter was in the early eighties and was counter terrorism, the rest of his whole career he was on fricking *boats*, he has no idea what GWOT infantry would have experienced or not, and the lessons ukraine is learning about artillery spam are already over a hundred years old and institutionally accounted for. "Communications are what you make" Yeah no shit, moron, that's why you get trained to communicate, hurrr durrr
There HAS to JSOC guys mucking about in Ukraine already, right?
>a real war
And how would you know that, exactly? You've never fought anyone on the level of a NATO army, like France.
>You've never fought anyone on the level of a NATO army, like France.
I never realized that Napoleonic France was a technologically advanced NATO member-state.
>napoleonic france
Had to reach wayyy back there for your irrelevant moronation lol
How do all the mothballed leclerics get activated?
How does that 5th article whatever is called works?
If France attacks Ruskies in Ukroland and Ruskies destroy Eiffel tower is it still considered attack on HATO despite granny enjoyer starting it first?
I'm going to reveal to you a deeply-held massive secret about international laws and relations:
The rules are all made up and don't matter, the only thing that drives decisions at any given point in time is the analysis "what benefits us the most in the short/long run?"
I guess yes. But at the same time I believe that some sort of voting takes place before military action is in order. It's not "automated" process.
Article 5 is highly interpretative. Basically: An armed attack on one NATO member is an armed attack on all NATO members. Respond accordingly.
Anything and everything can be argued to be / to not be an armed attack. Anything and everything can be argued to be a fitting response.
A drunk RusBlack person shooting at a Polish border guard is enough to trigger WW3, the bombing of Rzezow could mean Germany sends 3 helmets and a sixer of beer.
If they destroy the Eiffel tower then potentially. But anything short of that will be written off under the fa/fo clause
It would be like this: France kills every zigger in Ukraine but don't touch russia except for military targets that directly threaten France including on Ukrainian soil.
In case of russia attacking France it's an act of war against NATO.
Is France trying to redeem itself after being a joke for a century?
Some nobody news page with only 25k followers. No sources given. Sure.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/emmanuel-macron-warns-west-threat-183000429.html?guccounter=1
>it's true
Good. I feared it was fake info.
Just like Russia saying I'm gonna nooooook
They are not going to actually send troops
>AOHH GAWD IM GONNA-
>IM GONNA SENDTHETROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPS
>MON DIEU IM SEENNNNDIIINNNNGGGG AAAAAAHHHHHHH
fricking /misc/ slide threads
wtf are frenchies gonna do? surrender? lol
France is a world power still. Considering Russia is already bogged down by Ukrainians using western gear, France getting directly involved would be a big problem. And if France fights them, Britain will likely follow shortly. And if Britain decides to jump in on a Crimean War remake, the US and the remainder of NATO will get drawn in as well, if only to try and sort shit out before it really does spiral into WW3.
But France won't do shit so it's all moot
How would pushing Russians over Ukraine border result in world war scenario? Plese enlighten me.
If that's where it ends, with Russia pushed out of Ukraine quickly and cleanly, it wouldn't.
>If
How would western powers fight Russia without it being a total war? Russia will fully mobilize and attack everything it can, including European cities and civilians. And the West will respond in kind. There's no way you can push Russia out of Ukraine without massively striking inside Russia, without destroying their industrial power. It will be a total war.
fully mobilized Russia is still 150 mil country while facing eu of 500 mil - this is similar size difference like between Ukraine and Russia currently - so mobilizing minorities in limited manner would probably be enough
Russia would not directly attack Europe for two reasons. They lack capability to do so also because they are scared to do so.
And even if it actually happened it wouldn't be world war. Simply because it would be limited to one theater.
>Simply because it would be limited to one theater.
That assumes much.
I think you’re making the classic mistake of assuming that Russians are rational actors. They are not.
“The difficulty in understanding the Russian is that we do not take cognizance of the fact that he is not a European but an Asiatic and therefore thinks deviously”
He is only doing it for electoral purposes. He fears losing the European elections badly to Le Pen. He's only argument is "she's a Russian agent", that's what all his party have been saying for the last few weeks. I'd say most of French people don't care, but the boomers do care. He wants to show that people who are against sending troops are against Ukraine, and therefore for Russia. It's all talk, he'll never do anything.
This is a French effort to bait the English into doing it.
Crimea 2.0? Turkey, do you want to come?
>inb4 Germany leaks the deployment plans
God imagine if Boris was still in for the UK, he would jump at the chance for Crimea pt2.
>French British carrier groups spotted entering the Bosphorus strait
>Russia: Ha the Turks will never let them through
>Mein Putin, the Turks have just loaded 100k troops and equipment onto the British and French fleet
>Blyat
As a bong I can only say that my mind, body, and soul are ready
How fast will they fly the white flag?
What, all 2,000 of them?
honestly this isnt such a bad idea
id assume most ukrainian troops are not on the frontline but rather guarding the border or doing supply, admin, checkpoints, etc. etc.
if nato/french troops take over these jobs they are not in immediate danger and still can free up several hundred thousand fresh ukrainian troops for actual combat missions
>French get involved
>It's all going to shit for every side.
should've armed him when you had the chance, frogtard
Please someone tell putin to nuke St-Etienne, there's nothing worthwhile in this city
Dites-le-moi en face, et non sur Internet, et voyez ce qui se passe.
> ia will nook da Marseilleskaya
> Oh non ptdr pas Marseille :DDD
the real reason hon hon hon
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/french-defence-companies-build-military-equipment-ukrainian-soil-minister-2024-03-08
>french troops in Odessa
is it soviet revolution again?
What's next usa in Archangielsk
Not happening
Macrons defense minister publicly denied sending troops to ukraine this morning.
I dont know what the frick is macron doing, but it seems army general staff doesn't want anything to do with ukraine and is pressuring the defence minister right now
just euros being incompetent weenies while pretending to act tough as normal
>I dont know what the frick is macron doing
He's playing internal politics. EU elections are in a couple of months, and he's losing big time.
He's main opponent, the RN ("far-right"), is 10 points ahead of his list in the polls. Macron is failing on everything, and his only argument his muh far-right muh nazi. It's not just Macron suddenly saying we're sending troops otherwise the russians will win, it's all synchronized with everyone in his government accusing the RN of being pro-Putin in every public intervention, whatever the subject.
Plus the guy is a narcissist. Before the war he was all cozy with Putin, inviting him will full honors in Versailles... THe when the war starter in 2022 he tried to put himself in the light, trying to negociate a peace (the guy was fully deluded and was thinking he would have the Nobel Prize). When that failed, he did a 180 to, again, be at the center of everything and became the most hawkish thinking he would lead the free world and democracies against authoritarianism. Plus he can't run again in the next election, so he's aiming tol be some big shot somewhere, probably President of th EU.
ie the guy is a deluded narcissist that changes opinion everyweek, depending on what suits the moment and who he's talking to.
So?
Most people seem to be against the war escalading, this makes him look even more like a lunatic and worsens his polls.
none of us care about cuckraine, he won't do this because it's political suicide mere months before the european elections
>justification to declare a national emergency of some kind
>distracts from domestic troubles
>free gibs
russia seems to care enough to commit collective national suicide over it lel
only one country is currently killing itself and it ain't Russia lol
now show Russia’s demographics without Muslim churka immigration lmao
It doesn't quite work, anon. They're defending themselves from an aggression.
wew it's almost like they're being invaded by a hostile military or something
He'd be proud
How strong is France army?
Bump, 1v1 against ziggers no nukes, who would win?
Russia is mainly a land power while France's armed forces are mainly suited for expeditionary campaigns. The Russians would have an advantage early on thanks to their large army and massive soviet stockpiles but french troops are better trained and have superior tech so the French could turn it around eventually.
>massive soviet stockpiles
You mean the ones that have been looted, raided, and sold off in international arms deals to third world countries or American surplus importers for the last 30 years? Yeah... About that.
No, I mean the thousands of soviet tanks, IFV's and SPG's that they've been using in Ukraine.
What do you think the Ukrainians have been fighting against, origami tanks from Bhutan?
>france sending more troops
>as more algerians arrive to rape their women
HON HON HON FROGGY.
whats the weather like in st pidorsburg?
>if *thing that wont happen* happens we will *outragous statement*
Hilarious how hard this thread is getting raided by poltroon brownies. This news has really upset them.
What's stopping us from putting some "advisors" on the ground already?
I guess WW3 is popping off then
Why? France isn't going to invade russia, they help Ukraine.
Por que no los dos?
pour quoi n'est pas les deux?
How long until he's crowned Napoleon IV?
lots of vatBlack folk shills itt being afraid of this, no wonder they keep trying to shut it down
shut down what?
shut down any attempt at being civilized humans by making a ton of ""french"" bots just to flood french tw*tter which will inevitably trickle back here
IF EU/NATO countries want to actually fight a war with russia, why in the frick would you send troops into Ukraine? Just open a new front you idiots and releaf some pressure off of ukrainians.
Because we don't
And neither does Russia despite their moronic posturing, so occupying Ukr territory with NATO troops would be one of the better bets to freeze the war. The Reds wouldn't have the balls to continue attacking.
Nobody is going to freeze the war, complete russian withdrawal, forced or at their will.
Because this isn't going to be a declaration of war to russia, just an obligation to defend Ukrainian territorial integrity.
>complete russian withdrawal
Simply not happening short of a full scale war with NATO and nobody is going to advocate that
>Simply not happening
Nobody will ask you about it, when you're short on men and military equipment.
All it takes is Putin expiring, one way or the other.
Even Navalny was just as crazy when it came to foreign policy though
And Putin has stuffed the upper echelons with his siloviks so it's probably going to be someone from the same circles
Pure hopium
>Pure hopium
russia can not win a single Ukraine, I don't doubt that France+Ukraine will frick russia up good
now you can return to your delusions about stronk russia back
Russia is weak as frick but I seriously doubt the frogs will actively advance against their troops
You don't need to be strong when you have fricktons of mines
But there will be chaos during the regime change, infighting, who takes what. All the opportunity for Ukraine to push Russians out, and solidify their borders with the help of the west.
They already have a near feudal army organization so I doubt a lot would change
Their fricking Captain just died walking along the frontline. Their army organization is merely a suggestion.
>Navalny bad!
>putin stonks!
huh
Navalny was bad and so is Putin
But where do you think the magical peacebringer is going to come from
>Navalny was bad
He was murdered, do they still pay 15 roubles for posts this quality?
Of course he was murdered, do you think having been murdered makes him a saint? He didn't support Ukraine as an independent nation any more than Putin does.
Oh pol propaganda here.
Read up on his views dude
No they'd do it anyway. The frogs have the right idea but their plan is not to fight Russians, it's to act as a deterrent for further advances. If they wanted a fight they'd deploy now instead of when the major cities are threatened again
you're a braindead if you think that all of what a politician says is true
Even if Navalny had been this magical saint, they aren't going to get a better guy after Putin
It's probably going to be some spook or military hardliner again
>Simply not happening short of a full scale war with NATO and nobody is going to advocate that
If France helps with its army then it's pretty happening.
>full scale war
Why? France is obligated to help Ukraine restore their territorial integrity, think next time you invade a country with such pacts.
>think next time you invade a country with such pacts.
Yeah and the pact that stripped Ukraine of its nukes meant the US safeguarding their territorial integrity with a carrier group and expeditionary force oh wait
Not sure what were you trying to say.
>won't that just escalate the war even further?
Yep, increased rate of attrition of russian military and men.
Such pacts are toilet paper to any real nation
your real nation is on the verge of another collapse :^)
I'm not Russian so that's untrue
But you sound like one:
Considering Russia wiped its ass with the pact (which it also signed) and the US also used a pretty loose interpretation of guaranteeing their territorial integrity (here, have some humvees and ACUs, not our problem), the pact might as well have been TP
They should have kept the nukes
I don't agree, you can't magically make russian disappear so you inflict as much damage as possible. It's a win-win for everyone except russia.
It's not a win-win for Ukraine for sure
Making the most of a fricking terrible situation maybe but I wouldn't be so nonchalant about it
In the long term it is, short-mid term yeah they're fricked.
>nobody is going to advocate that
Why not?
In all of history there has never been a better time than right now to conquer Moscow. Every hypothetical belligerent in the entire world is queued up and salivating at the prospect, just waiting for casus belli.
Real life is not Europa Universalis
You need as much of a casus belli as the Russians did i.e. none whatsoever
But war does not bring you votes in a democracy so nobody is in a rush to go to war
>But war does not bring you votes in a democracy so nobody is in a rush to go to war
I mean Bush was reelected too but that would be very much an anomaly in Europe
Oh yeah, the various peoples of Europe are all famously peaceful and definitely not warlike at all...
It's been more than 80 years dude
The only ones with real fighting experience since then are the bongs and the frogs.
won't that just escalate the war even further?
sending weapons/supplies is one thing, but sending troops is completely different.
>suggests
Two more weeks
>Muh troops
doesn't this just give more ammo to Putin to justify brutalizing Ukraine even more?
how would this give more ammo?
>justify brutalizing Ukraine
how does this justifies it?
>even more
with the real russian army?
>more
lol, lmao
How would they do more than committing to an all out war to erase their national identity?
He's throwing cruise missiles at the civilians and civilian infrastructure already.
>if you fight your enemies, they win
>Zelensky said he don't want foreign army on the Ukraine's ground
>Macron want to send troops if [condition] in Ukraine
Litteraly invading Ukraine on the diplomatic view
>MACRON TO SEND FRENCH TROOPS
>"France can send troops if (scenario) happens"
Why are you like this?
Based France actually representing Atlantic principles and resisting the eternal vatnig.
So this is essentially a message to Russia that regime change in Kiev (i.e. overthrowing the Ukrainian state) is considered an unacceptable outcome and that France will intervene to prevent it, right?
Frog here, Nothingburger or TheRevolution 2.0 Eletric Boogaloo, Revengeance of the butthurts.
>gives the perfect excuse so France can leave out that negative sum shithole that is Africa for free
>Available French troops now redeployed in Ukraine
lmao gotta love that butterfly effect. M-Master strategist.
>Polish foreign minister: presence of NATO forces in Ukraine “is not unthinkable”
Poles following suit. On top of other states thorough the week.
He didn't say polish forces. NATO forces could mean french, for example.
I think people might be missing the political fencing going on. Macron knows, based on his intelligence briefs with the rest of NATO, that there's something coming very soon that's going to preclude the Russians from ever contesting Odessa or Kyiv. As such, he feels no danger in making this kind of provocation. It gives red meat to the hawks domestically, can be spun however he wants to appease the doves after the fact, and makes it look as if France is, at least rhetorically, standing by its commitments.
Plus, it makes Russia seethe, which is always a plus.
It's all bullshit theatre by Macron to mislead the people France is still in any way relevant, that their country actually still exists..
Pidor, pls
Deises mal mit Frankreich.
It’s time for the French to pay us back for Vietnam.
Go get em, Tiger.
We already did, when you allied with the Soviets to backstab us and Britbros during the Suez episode. For which if you didn't, the current shitshow in the middle East wouldn't even be a thing, but whatever. We're even now. No biggie. It's been a long time. Just do the same and move on.
'still like you enough though, Burgerbro, don't worry, you're cool, burgers are kino, you make good entertainment and I'll FRICK YEAH at Starship's launch next week. As any good Westerner should do, really.
I’ll be damned if the frogs get to kill ziggers while we sit on the sidelines.
REMINDER: If something is in your country’s interests, you must be willing to shed your countryman’s blood
You can’t sell victory. You must always pay.
The west doesn’t seem to understand this.
>https://twitter.com/AFpost/status/1766044908710977768
Why are we hearing it from "AF Post" instead of the French government?
OK, Russia nukes France and France nukes Russia.
My soul is prepared!
- « Within ten years, we shall have the means to kill 80 million Russians. I truly believe that one does not light-heatedly attack people who are able to kill 80 million Russians, even if one can kill 800 million French, that is if there were 800 million French in the first place. »
>USSR's ambassador reminds him Paris is at Soviet's missiles range
- « Well, Mister Ambassador, then we shall die together! »
VGH LE EMPEREUR