They can and did, lathes being the mother of other machine tools. Of course complementary processes like casting, grinding and scraping are required to make any of the above.
Do the spindles have a through-hole?
Some do to facilitate removal and replacement of the horizontal spindle, andsince I can spec a hypothetical lathe headstock for this thread then of course mine would.
It's fairly common to do lathework on horizontal mills since the idea was obvious and ancient.
That's technically true, but in the modern age there's no reason to choose if you're serious about making a shop. This is some industrial revolution era thinking where that capital cost would be far out of the reach of a normie, but that is not true in the current age. You're also going to make a probably smaller and definitely shittier lathe without milling and grinding (or scraping, but then you'd need a large rock and several large angle plates and maybe dovetail standards also). Realistically no one is going to make a lathe with just a lathe anyway so this is all needless speculation.
https://i.imgur.com/2smcuII.jpg
Would you rather have a mill that turns or a lathe that mills? You can only choose one.
A combo mill like when machinists make conversion mounts to add knee mill rams but designed that way from the start. Like an old K&T or Cincinnati horizontal mill fitted with an overhead knee mill ram conversion (fairly common because it works) with headstock gear train driving the horizontal spindle which can mount a chuck (and some have).
The mill table base would slide in and out on ways parallel with the spindle and have a quick release lead screw that retracts into the machine body.
It's CNC with a manual-option control station using a corded pendant with a backup control set on the panel. It's self-tramming of course.
>work in tiny company that does in house engineering/machining >we hire some kid to do our 3D modeling >basically zero experience and has only fricked with 3D printers/super, super basic machining >took 3 months to get him to stop giving me shit that was impossible to machine because of crazy undercuts, 5xD or more inside corners, and all kinds of fricked up 3D fillets terminating against flat faces >mfw he keeps going into my box without asking for random shit like my flashlight >mfw he keeps fully modeling threads on models for CAM >mfw I've been telling him for a year to stop putting small, deburr chamfers on every fricking edge of the model and he still does it >these are the least of his sins at the company
Fat frick is getting laid off come spring, I can't wait.
Coworkers going into my box and leaving my shit around the shop or even throwing my snap-on stuff with the shop use stuff is mainly why I massively downsized my tools at work.
I was like frick dude, if I’m only getting paid hourly to be here it’s no skin off my back if you don’t want to give me a ratcheting wrench and want me to swap parts with an old ikea wrench I’ll take two hours to move a part stop if that’s the tool you want to hand me that’s more in my pocket
You’re not paying me to use my 80 tooth dual pawl snap-on or my gold plated icon
>Coworkers going into my box and leaving my shit around the shop or even throwing my snap-on stuff with the shop use stuff is mainly why I massively downsized my tools at work.
I don't really have anything like that, he just keeps taking random, little shit like rubber gloves, flashlights, etc. It's the principle of it that bothers me, just fricking ask so I know who has it. Spent 3 days wondering where the frick my flashlight was, only to find out he had it.
Zoomers lack principles. You need to put your name on your stuff if it's not locked up. Verbally express that your supplies are not community supplies. You must spoon feed them.
For starters it's a waste of his time to begin with. We're not sending these models out to China or some back woods shop that's going to go "teehee they weren't on the model so we didn't chamfer anything :3". More importantly, it wastes my time, because it makes programming from the model annoying. It's mostly minor, but it can really in a lot of extra clicks, and number entry. For example, the software I use will auto-populate the cut depth based on the the Z height of the wireframe and I don't have to mess with it. If there's a chamfer on the top, or a little fillet all around, then I have to manually enter the cut depth because it will be off that 20thou or whatever. For holes, it makes it really fricky to get it to select the center at certain view angles because it's bouncing between the center point of the top of the chamfer and the bottom of it. Like I said, it's minor stuff, but it's still annoying as frick and all he has to do to fix it is nothing.
It’s expected you deburr and not hand a box of razor blades shaped like parts to the guy
>Don't hate on me because you can't wear both hats.
Only due to time constraints, I can do everything he can, but then I'd be doing 80 hour weeks. The real solution is me handing him a brass hammer at excessive speed.
>80 hours a week
CNC machinists are glorified babysitters. I knew a guy who did everything himself. >handing him a brass hammer at excessive speed
Projecting a desire to work 0 hrs/wk?
4 months ago
Anonymous
>CNC machinists are glorified babysitters. I knew a guy who did everything himself.
I do everything but the modeling (barring constant fixes). Programming, process, fixturing, setup, inspection, inventory, ordering, etc. I'm the only machinist. >Projecting a desire to work 0 hrs/wk?
Lmao, after some of the shit he's done, I'm amazed the boss hasn't worked him over himself.
4 months ago
Anonymous
I'm seconding
>these are the least of his sins at the company
please regale us with the worst of his sins. i crave the schadenfreude
request we need more stories
4 months ago
Anonymous
Apparently he spent like $300 in a month on gas station, junk food inside a month on a company card.
4 months ago
Anonymous
zoomers are ngmi
4 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah he's fricked up bad, I don't think he realizes our boss is one of those 1/1,000,000 that's actually a decent dude and cares about his employees. Unironically, I doubt I'd ever have as good an employer again.
Why the frick does he have a credit card at his near minimum wage job?
We both make well over double the national median.
4 months ago
Sieg
Why the frick does he have a credit card at his near minimum wage job?
4 months ago
Anonymous
Sorry, google gave me a totally wrong number for median US income. We're both over like 70k/y
4 months ago
Anonymous
You gotta find a way to take this kids money. He stole your flashlight its only fair you take 100x the value back.
4 months ago
Anonymous
tbh he's making almost double what he should be for his position/experience and I think that's gone to his head.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Exactly so get some of your friends to kidnap his mom and ransom her off to him. Make him poor, it will knock him down a peg or two.
4 months ago
Sieg
You make over 70k as a machinist?!
That’s more than $35 an hour about double the fair market value of that job
4 months ago
Anonymous
Fair market value where and for what kind of machining? You're trolling or unironically moronic.
Repair machining for example is highly skilled needing CNC and manual experience to be effective and anyone good can also weld and braze to build up parts properly before finished shape.
Grade 8 is a normal mill or lathe operator (button pusher). There is no pay distinction between manual or CNC. You have to work for a corporation with MBA morons running the place located in a pretty expensive place though. The union also adds complication due to job siloing. But I'm not whining about it due $50. OT is time in a half unless it's Sunday or a holiday, in which you get double time (and also your holiday pay, so you'd be making 3x. But the difference in pay for working holidays is just double, since you'd get the holiday pay regardless)
4 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not a button pusher you stupid shit, like I said earlier, I'm responsible for every single step on the machining side.
4 months ago
Sieg
I not either, I take solidworks files direct from the engineer, cam program and setup. $18 is about right for that job in California.
The frick are you doing that it costs $70k for a year of your time
4 months ago
Anonymous
>$18/h for setup let alone programming on top >in Cali
Bro you're getting shafted, even actual button pushers are at $20/h around here. If you actually know what you're doing, you'd be at $28/h minimum in the Midwest being able to program and setup, and that's just basic 3-axis shit, we do 5-axis. Shit, even at the last place where it was all 3-axis, and the owner was a total cheapskate, I was making $31/h in the same position.
4 months ago
Sieg
I’m using surfcam though so and on a haas not really in demand at other places
Plus the product Is for Hollywood so not like I can just get into aerospace
4 months ago
Anonymous
He's probably a beaner.
I’m using surfcam though so and on a haas not really in demand at other places
Plus the product Is for Hollywood so not like I can just get into aerospace
>$20/hr >giving independent machinists shit for not following the herd
4 months ago
Sieg
I’m probably just moronic and lucky to have a job
4 months ago
Anonymous
You are moronic if you think $35/h is outrageous for what sounds like someone running a whole shop by themselves.
4 months ago
Anonymous
I get $38 an hour to fix broken welding machines. Not even formally qualified electrician kek.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Most common repairs? Maintenance tips?
4 months ago
Anonymous
100% a troll
4 months ago
Sieg
It’s a very wmeast job, gcode is easy, putting tool offsets is easy buts it’s very detail oriented and tedious most Americans can’t figure out how to mail an envelope so the average person can’t do it but if you have high attention to detail don’t want to work too hard and are from a wealthy background where your bills are already covered then it’s a good job.
However if you’re someone who needs a paycheck to buy you food and pay your rent you’re going to be much better off at McDonald’s
>lathe that mills
we have this, it's called live tooling and it is exactly as awesome as it sounds. my shop has 2 okuma lathes with live tooling, they take parts that would normally be 3 or 4 separate operations between the lathe and mill, and makes it all a "machine complete/cut off" job. fricking amazing machines
A lathe that mills. While lathe milling is normally aids, it can be made decent. Small lathes have more ridgidity than small mills, and you can't cut threads on a mill.
I'd rather have a sandwich
Which trolley track is OP on.
why not both.
those look like sewing machines
A Lathe an make a million, a mill can't make a lathe. Congrats on asking questions solved 150 years ago.
Fricking auto correct: a mill can't make a lathion.
a lathe cant make a mill, or another lathe
They can and did, lathes being the mother of other machine tools. Of course complementary processes like casting, grinding and scraping are required to make any of the above.
Some do to facilitate removal and replacement of the horizontal spindle, andsince I can spec a hypothetical lathe headstock for this thread then of course mine would.
It's fairly common to do lathework on horizontal mills since the idea was obvious and ancient.
https://www.practicalmachinist.com/forum/threads/lathe-work-on-horizontal-mill.168853/
That's technically true, but in the modern age there's no reason to choose if you're serious about making a shop. This is some industrial revolution era thinking where that capital cost would be far out of the reach of a normie, but that is not true in the current age. You're also going to make a probably smaller and definitely shittier lathe without milling and grinding (or scraping, but then you'd need a large rock and several large angle plates and maybe dovetail standards also). Realistically no one is going to make a lathe with just a lathe anyway so this is all needless speculation.
WTF is going on with the machines in this image?
>economic downturns aren't real
>AI isn't good enough to draw machinery yet
Would you rather have a grinder that sands or a sander that grinds?
The leaf of wood
Lathe that turns is more useful than a mill in real world application.
Wood is for burning. Steel is for building.
Who said anything about wood?
Steel beams can't melt jet fuel
A combo mill like when machinists make conversion mounts to add knee mill rams but designed that way from the start. Like an old K&T or Cincinnati horizontal mill fitted with an overhead knee mill ram conversion (fairly common because it works) with headstock gear train driving the horizontal spindle which can mount a chuck (and some have).
The mill table base would slide in and out on ways parallel with the spindle and have a quick release lead screw that retracts into the machine body.
It's CNC with a manual-option control station using a corded pendant with a backup control set on the panel. It's self-tramming of course.
Do the spindles have a through-hole?
Why does every butthole with a ender 3 think he’s a machinist now
>work in tiny company that does in house engineering/machining
>we hire some kid to do our 3D modeling
>basically zero experience and has only fricked with 3D printers/super, super basic machining
>took 3 months to get him to stop giving me shit that was impossible to machine because of crazy undercuts, 5xD or more inside corners, and all kinds of fricked up 3D fillets terminating against flat faces
>mfw he keeps going into my box without asking for random shit like my flashlight
>mfw he keeps fully modeling threads on models for CAM
>mfw I've been telling him for a year to stop putting small, deburr chamfers on every fricking edge of the model and he still does it
>these are the least of his sins at the company
Fat frick is getting laid off come spring, I can't wait.
Coworkers going into my box and leaving my shit around the shop or even throwing my snap-on stuff with the shop use stuff is mainly why I massively downsized my tools at work.
I was like frick dude, if I’m only getting paid hourly to be here it’s no skin off my back if you don’t want to give me a ratcheting wrench and want me to swap parts with an old ikea wrench I’ll take two hours to move a part stop if that’s the tool you want to hand me that’s more in my pocket
You’re not paying me to use my 80 tooth dual pawl snap-on or my gold plated icon
>Coworkers going into my box and leaving my shit around the shop or even throwing my snap-on stuff with the shop use stuff is mainly why I massively downsized my tools at work.
I don't really have anything like that, he just keeps taking random, little shit like rubber gloves, flashlights, etc. It's the principle of it that bothers me, just fricking ask so I know who has it. Spent 3 days wondering where the frick my flashlight was, only to find out he had it.
Zoomers lack principles. You need to put your name on your stuff if it's not locked up. Verbally express that your supplies are not community supplies. You must spoon feed them.
I lock my shit. Even in the Air Force people borrow shit so the line boxes get locks. Get used to it and it's so second nature you do not notice.
>these are the least of his sins at the company
please regale us with the worst of his sins. i crave the schadenfreude
It's mostly boring stuff like minor embezzlement and lots of time theft. We're paid more than well enough for it to be actual time theft.
>mfw I've been telling him for a year to stop putting small, deburr chamfers on every fricking edge of the model and he still does it
whats the problem?
It’s expected you deburr and not hand a box of razor blades shaped like parts to the guy
For starters it's a waste of his time to begin with. We're not sending these models out to China or some back woods shop that's going to go "teehee they weren't on the model so we didn't chamfer anything :3". More importantly, it wastes my time, because it makes programming from the model annoying. It's mostly minor, but it can really in a lot of extra clicks, and number entry. For example, the software I use will auto-populate the cut depth based on the the Z height of the wireframe and I don't have to mess with it. If there's a chamfer on the top, or a little fillet all around, then I have to manually enter the cut depth because it will be off that 20thou or whatever. For holes, it makes it really fricky to get it to select the center at certain view angles because it's bouncing between the center point of the top of the chamfer and the bottom of it. Like I said, it's minor stuff, but it's still annoying as frick and all he has to do to fix it is nothing.
>on the model
Dumbass
The makerhomosexualry has been a disaster for the human race
more like better than a machinist
yeah they're quite versatile no boomery attitude either
Are these 3d printers in the room with us right now
you can do horizontal milling on a lathe and vertical turning on a mill
>Would you rather have a mill that turns or a lathe that mills? You can only choose one.
Can I choose a male that turns female? Those are the best
I'd rather a lathe that turns instead of some 3in1, mickey mouse bullshit that doesn't do any 1 job properly.
the lathe is the king of machine tools for a reason
You guys need some locks.
They're too 1337 for that.
No, it's just annoying to lock and unlock your box 60+ times a day over a $15 flashlight.
OP here. Sounds like you need someone to ENGINEER a solution for you. Don't hate on me because you can't wear both hats.
>Don't hate on me because you can't wear both hats.
Only due to time constraints, I can do everything he can, but then I'd be doing 80 hour weeks. The real solution is me handing him a brass hammer at excessive speed.
>80 hours a week
CNC machinists are glorified babysitters. I knew a guy who did everything himself.
>handing him a brass hammer at excessive speed
Projecting a desire to work 0 hrs/wk?
>CNC machinists are glorified babysitters. I knew a guy who did everything himself.
I do everything but the modeling (barring constant fixes). Programming, process, fixturing, setup, inspection, inventory, ordering, etc. I'm the only machinist.
>Projecting a desire to work 0 hrs/wk?
Lmao, after some of the shit he's done, I'm amazed the boss hasn't worked him over himself.
I'm seconding
request we need more stories
Apparently he spent like $300 in a month on gas station, junk food inside a month on a company card.
zoomers are ngmi
Yeah he's fricked up bad, I don't think he realizes our boss is one of those 1/1,000,000 that's actually a decent dude and cares about his employees. Unironically, I doubt I'd ever have as good an employer again.
We both make well over double the national median.
Why the frick does he have a credit card at his near minimum wage job?
Sorry, google gave me a totally wrong number for median US income. We're both over like 70k/y
You gotta find a way to take this kids money. He stole your flashlight its only fair you take 100x the value back.
tbh he's making almost double what he should be for his position/experience and I think that's gone to his head.
Exactly so get some of your friends to kidnap his mom and ransom her off to him. Make him poor, it will knock him down a peg or two.
You make over 70k as a machinist?!
That’s more than $35 an hour about double the fair market value of that job
Fair market value where and for what kind of machining? You're trolling or unironically moronic.
Repair machining for example is highly skilled needing CNC and manual experience to be effective and anyone good can also weld and braze to build up parts properly before finished shape.
I make around 100k with no overtime.
https://www.iam751.org/?zone=/unionactive/private_view_article.cfm&HomeID=452936&page=Information
Grade 8 is a normal mill or lathe operator (button pusher). There is no pay distinction between manual or CNC. You have to work for a corporation with MBA morons running the place located in a pretty expensive place though. The union also adds complication due to job siloing. But I'm not whining about it due $50. OT is time in a half unless it's Sunday or a holiday, in which you get double time (and also your holiday pay, so you'd be making 3x. But the difference in pay for working holidays is just double, since you'd get the holiday pay regardless)
I'm not a button pusher you stupid shit, like I said earlier, I'm responsible for every single step on the machining side.
I not either, I take solidworks files direct from the engineer, cam program and setup. $18 is about right for that job in California.
The frick are you doing that it costs $70k for a year of your time
>$18/h for setup let alone programming on top
>in Cali
Bro you're getting shafted, even actual button pushers are at $20/h around here. If you actually know what you're doing, you'd be at $28/h minimum in the Midwest being able to program and setup, and that's just basic 3-axis shit, we do 5-axis. Shit, even at the last place where it was all 3-axis, and the owner was a total cheapskate, I was making $31/h in the same position.
I’m using surfcam though so and on a haas not really in demand at other places
Plus the product Is for Hollywood so not like I can just get into aerospace
He's probably a beaner.
>$20/hr
>giving independent machinists shit for not following the herd
I’m probably just moronic and lucky to have a job
You are moronic if you think $35/h is outrageous for what sounds like someone running a whole shop by themselves.
I get $38 an hour to fix broken welding machines. Not even formally qualified electrician kek.
Most common repairs? Maintenance tips?
100% a troll
It’s a very wmeast job, gcode is easy, putting tool offsets is easy buts it’s very detail oriented and tedious most Americans can’t figure out how to mail an envelope so the average person can’t do it but if you have high attention to detail don’t want to work too hard and are from a wealthy background where your bills are already covered then it’s a good job.
However if you’re someone who needs a paycheck to buy you food and pay your rent you’re going to be much better off at McDonald’s
How much does McDonald's pay now?
Like 21 to 25
Get the mag lock best money I’ve spent, key chain magnet stick it on the box, kathinknunlock remove magnet locked
would you rather have a tap that can die, or a die that can tap?
If you set it up right, a tap can already die.
rekt
t. OP
>lathe that mills
we have this, it's called live tooling and it is exactly as awesome as it sounds. my shop has 2 okuma lathes with live tooling, they take parts that would normally be 3 or 4 separate operations between the lathe and mill, and makes it all a "machine complete/cut off" job. fricking amazing machines
A lathe that mills. While lathe milling is normally aids, it can be made decent. Small lathes have more ridgidity than small mills, and you can't cut threads on a mill.
>Place round stock in r8 collet, and tighten it in the spindle
>Put a lathe tool in your vise
There. A mill that turns.
Lathe with a milling attachment.
You can get away with a lot on a lathe, with half as much equipment.
>aishit
frick off
Welcome to the future you luddite fricker. Enjoy the algorithm overlord.
>Enjoy the algorithm overlord.
What does that even mean.
it is easier to make lathe parts on a mill than mill parts on a lathe, ergo the mill turn is the better choice
you can make a mill on a lathe, you can also make a lathe on a mill but its harder