M2A2 Bradley that survived direct tank hit.
>tank could not even penetrate side
>crew of 3 and 5 troopers survived
>mortar fire did absolutely zero damage
>not a single killed soldier in all damaged bradleys
>veteran gunner that worked on everything, mostly BMP-1, says that he will never get into BMP again - its a tin can
>ziggers are mortified by its engine sound, caught in intercepts
>weapons are nice
>driver got concussion, broken leg and hand, rest is unharmed
Pentagon Wars bros not like this…
>a BMP that can’t cook its mobiks, a light tank that can’t turret toss, and a recon vehicle that’s got working optics, with enough firepower to wipe out half a BTG
>BMP that carries troops in comfort
>Pentagon Wars bros not like this…
Heh. Though in fairness, that was like 1991, and a lot of very good changes were in fact made to the Bradley. There aren't many major American weapon systems that didn't get majorly improved over subsequent blocks particularly when there was lots of real world combat experience to apply in the interim.
NOOOOOOOOOO GIVE THE RUSSIANS SOME FRICKING ABRAMS AND HEAT ROUNDS AND MAKE THEM SHOOT AT BRADLEYS UNDER FULL COMBAT LOAD
I'M SORRY BRADLEY
how in the frick???
P-L-A-T-E-S
sensible chuckle
If only you knew how envious I really am
>P-L-A-T-E-S(*)
*that aren't filled with sawdust
HE round.
No way a HEAT or SABOT nonpennd a brad
No. No. I refuse to say that with any sense of confidence. Nearly every piece of western equipment has over performed compared to my expectations and compared to Russia equipment underperforming that I don't feel comfortable saying that a Bradley couldn't tank a hit to the side. Many factors here. Distance, angling, utter crap conditions of Russian ammunition stowage and transport,etc leading to a very specific set of circumstances where a Russian tank couldn't pen the side of a Bradley. HE doesn't make it better, the armor is 6mm plates mounted away from the aluminum, logically a direct hit from an HE round should have fricked it up way worse.
In some weird way I know have way more respect for the goatfrickers we fought.
6mm of steel with decent standoff actually makes a huge difference. FEA isn't 100% reality but you can see the relative difference from a decently rigged model:
i fricking love that channel
>In some weird way I know have way more respect for the goatfrickers we fought.
They didn’t have the hardware, so they resorted to IED and harambe warfare. Russians do have the hardware, they’re just not good.
>harambe warfare
jej
Shit's wrapped up like it came delivered from King Ramses
This reminds me, near the start of the war didnt Ukranians praise even the fricking up armored hmmwvs we sent them? I thought maybe it was a one off or they were blowing smoke up the wests asses but maybe our shit is actually just better lol. Even the ratted out under powered gun trucks.
I figure it's both at the same time
They express performative gratitude for every western system they receive because they desperately need as much gear as possible and are sucking up in the hopes of getting more, but the western gear they recieve is also really good compared to soviet trash so it's not an especially difficult performance to make
>Vasily I need you to go on camera and tell the westerners that you love their Bradleys
>OK
Except the uparmored Humvees actually saved their lives in the sense that MRAPs aren't utter death traps against mines and HMG fire in contrast to things like BMDs that are easily perforated. Being able to take a few HMG hits to the flat sides that'd potentially go through a BMP or outright through a BMD makes them much more survivable. A good deal of the praise isn't performative, it is Ukrainian opinion when they get to compare systems.
Well if you compared a HMMWV to, say, a BMD, it would be pretty impressive that you have a truck rivalling an APC for protection. Even the Russians have been spotted using HMMWV that they looted from Georgia.
they loved the humvees
look at that fat b***h go
Are Ukrainians the Midwesterners of Europe?
considering that a good chunk of Ukraine outside of kiev, odessa, and the donbass is rural... that's not too far from the truth.
vid?
Well that's just terrifying.
Camping and fishing is a passtime for most Ukrainians, even urbanite ones
my cousin is literal model and she goes camping
Reminds me of that moose running through deep snow
Damn, that mud season thing is no joke
Yeah, no kidding.
That's no longer mud, that's slurry.
>Too thick to swim, too thin to plow.
it seems revolution is as bolivar said
Bear in mind, the MT-LB's ground pressure is only 6.5 psi with standard tracks and 3.98 psi with wide tracks. By comparison, the M2/M2A1 Bradley's was 7.8 psi, and the M2A2/M2A3 has crept up to 9.4 psi. Even the base model M113 had a ground pressure of 7.3 psi.
we can put wider tracks on the bradley, though.
The MT-LB is based on a PT-76 amphibious light tank hull. They were built to swim. The armor isn't great. Just really basic stuff. She was built to tow stuff, keep the weather out, and mud bog.
>L A N D S H I P S
oh so that's why they made it amphibious....
You should see them dragging M777s through the mud.
Somebody must've had a bad time cleaning the nooks and crannies on that piece
>when the road is wet and the counter grad is incoming hot
>come over
>no
>My counter battery isn't home
>MFW
Adorable. Humvee finally gets to run around in the environment it was built for instead of a sandpit.
Humvees and Bradleys have returned to Eastern Europe to kill Russians.
Nature is healing.
If it was HEAT, it may simply have missed the whole crew
The metal jet produced is actually pencil thin
And HEAT optimized for penetration has less post-pen capability
So even if penned, if theres spall liners and fire extinguishers, you can stop most of the casualties by limiting damage solely to the jet itself and reduce spall, frag, and cook off
Western power. It's a secret magic of white men.
Remember how old and rusted some of the ammo Russia is fielding? Maybe the propellant isn't sending it fast enough.
The racist nazi magic of Americans.
Maybe the tank was a T-54/T-55
Maybe it was a T-34
ISIS-American tactics.
Is this what Hagel had in mind with his dialectics schizo bable?
A T-34 obr 2023 firing ammunition dug out of a farm field on the outskirts of Kursk.
Because 'MERICA, baby!
are mortified by its engine sound, caught in intercepts
Kek
>weapons are nice
Yes, they are.
God I love this fricking picture XD
Get FRICKED vatniks
Seethe. Bradley attained legendary status and you can’t do anything about it
Additional info, the guy in video is from Magura. Big chance those are spammed bradleys by zigs from month ago that were evacuated recently.
This along with them talking about mine survivability compared to BMP’s shows how great these things are.
What’s the cope going to be? “One got a broken leg so it’s shit! BMP crews getting shredded is fine though.”
Oh god please be the spammed Bradleys.
>Sirs… we redeemed the spam how could this be happening…
so glad that these get to do what they were made for instead of rotting in storage.
>get to do what they were made for
When do A-10s get their at bat.
Never, A-10s are obsolete. Best the Warthog can hope for is being sold off to Pakistan and blasting a trail of fire down the designated shitting streets.
Actual reason is because neither side can get air superiority and there's still FRICKLOADS of SAMs even though Russia just loves firing them at cities instead of aircraft.
Are we sure BRRRT can't pen the T-54/T-55's the Russians are pulling out of storage?
It can but the accuracy is shit and SHORAD will mulch it these days.
Where's the turret?
Bradleychads I kneel
Calling bullshit on this, RPG7 did this to a Brad in Iraq. No way is a brad taking a tank round
Doesn’t matter what you call bullshit on. Bradley is officially the only ifv in history to not be penned by a tank round
>Bradley is officially the only ifv in history to not be penned by a tank round
Happened a lot in WWII.
IFVs didn’t exist in ww2 so you’ve outed yourself as a moron.
>IFVs didn’t exist in ww2
Anon, this thread hit the bump-limit, so your post won't get the attention it deserves.
I want you to make a thread in which you make that claim in the OP so everybody can tell you how smart, educated and great you are.
IFVs we’re invented in th 50s
Incorrect.
Not him, what was the first actual IFV that you know of and when was it first created?
Well anon? According to a quick google it's the West German Schützenpanzer Lang HS.30. Designed between 1956 and 1958 entering service in 1960. Do you have something earlier?
Bongoloids Warrior is way better protected.
Perhaps the fact that the Bradley you posted lacks add on armor, and the Bradley that are the tank round didn’t lack add on armor. This must be a really hard pill for you to swallow
>Perhaps the fact that the Bradley you posted lacks add on armor, and the Bradley that are the tank round didn’t lack add on armor. This must be a really hard pill for you to swallow
In Russian army, army issue mobikube in size to fill ERA blocks, so is possible anon not aware of magic power of armor like magic power of pallet.
>bald '04 cut
>brownie's mythos is crashing down all around him
love to see it
>hypersonic missiles get hyped
>get BTFO
>Bradley gets shit on
>turns out to be a chad
Remember to always believe the opposite of what brownoids and vatniks believe
>browns brag about destroying a single piece of equipment in a war they got destroyed in for decades
>even that isn’t true
Lol
Is that you, KG?
Think it could eat a pure HE round? Obviously HEAT is gonna punch right through but HE might not.
could've been at a severe angle, or maybe the tank barrel was fricked from artillery barrages
They most likely mistook close impact or getting hit by something else like a mortar for a tank round. They didn't have a 3rd person view of whatever hit the Bradley.
you may be underestimating how fricking massive RPG-7s can be
>PG-7VR
>tandem 64 mm w/ 105 mm HEAT, 4.5 kg
>750 mm RHA (est.)
contrasting this with the 2A46:
>D-81TM
>smoothbore 125 mm, 5 kg - 5.5 kg
>500 mm RHA (est.) on the high end
you can see the RPG is actually higher penetration, regardless both should comfortably penetrate a Bradley from the side, but the plates are full of spooky Americanium so who even knows
>Plates are full of spooky Americanium
Those are the M1's and we aren't exporting them with the nice plates. Whatever is on those M2's is stuff we don't even consider worth talking about nevermind hiding.
not too hard to believe esp after the pics of the water logged T62 ammo that emerged a few weeks ago
Heart warming. And those poor bastards also really KNOW too, because they spent so much time fighting with fricking garbage soviet relics and can make the direct comparison, they don't take it for granted.
I love reading the reports from ex-Warsaw countries talking about their transition to western equipment. It's always
>fricking hell this thing runs laps around the pieces of shit we've had the misfortune of dealing with
They also give me an intense hatred for the moronic
>w...well Soviet equipment is more robust, reliable and easy to maintain!
cope that keeps getting repeated by morons since a key point in most reports is always how much easier it is to maintain western equipment and how much longer the MTBF is.
>cope that keeps getting repeated by morons since a key point in most reports is always how much easier it is to maintain western equipment and how much longer the MTBF is.
It's like some weird cross pollination of cope, propaganda, and zoomer video game thinking. Like, there has to be "balance" so if the "stats" on one side are poor that must mean it's cheaper and spammable and easier to maintain or something. I don't know if there has ever been an RTS in history or maybe even TBS where Corruption/Incompetence was a factor in production. Sometimes no, one side is just worse.
Shit's older than zoomers, frick it's been repeated for decades now. I'm sure the sentiment you're talking about likely is part of it though, people always like to see "balance" and we did overhype Soviet equipment at times. It's just irritating to me since most of the time it's half truths extrapolated to the nth degree. Like yeah, the fly-away cost of a MiG-29/Su-27 has often been lower than western aircraft, but you rack up a hell of a bill over time with maintenance when you actually use them, especially with how often the engines have to be overhauled etc.
>people always like to see "balance" and we did overhype Soviet equipment at times
In fairness, we definitely don't want to actually BE like the Soviets/Russians or other shithole potemkin villages where you hype your own side and end up with a paper tiger or get lazy and leapfrogged. Better at the end of the day to be the side that gets bamboozled, thinks the Mig-25 is the greatest super ultra fighter ever and there is a GAP and then pour resources and brilliant minds into developing 3 of the greatest fighters in human history, then discover years later that it was actually a piece of shit and end up dominating the next few decades, then be on the other side right?
It's why I'm perfectly fine seeing the wumaos hyping their stuff and the media breathlessly reporting it. It's hard to be sure, and if it gives the US MIC a kick in the ass that's a good thing. Worst case we at least aren't caught with our pants down entirely, best case we maintain some margin for other blunders. It's very hard without external motivators to keep an industry honest and focused, so if we aim at whatever China or Russia CLAIMS, even in propaganda, and do our best to meet it IRL, not all a bad thing to me.
Plus sometimes curve balls really do happen, or unexpected disasters. It's important to have some margin for things not going perfectly.
>I don't know if there has ever been an RTS in history or maybe even TBS where Corruption/Incompetence was a factor in production
Civ has corruption as a product of high income. It's just a neg to income though.
Total War: Rome 2 and its followup Attila both had corruption mechanics but they were poorly implemented, just a percentage based debuff to regional tax revenue
There might actually be some potential to an organisational science based strategy game now that you mention it, something that goes deep into keeping your organisation functional rather than competing directly with rival orgs
I'm thinking maybe an organised crime gang or a cult
Crusader Kings is like that. There's a lot of strategic head-rolling and delegation that goes into managing a large empire.
>>w...well Soviet equipment is more robust, reliable and easy to maintain!
I've said it before, I'll say it again. The Russian military industrial complex has been coasting along on the reputation of the Kalashnikov for seventy years.
>cope that keeps getting repeated by morons since a key point in most reports is always how much easier it is to maintain western equipment and how much longer the MTBF is.
Impossible, there's no way you can have easier maintainance than 'just die before you need to fix anything lmao'
Where could I find these reports?
Just google for them, off the top of my head the Polish one on their Leopards vs T-72s is a good read
Here found the one I was thinking of
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/321953221_Reliability_analysis_of_high-speed_tracked_vehicles_in_the_polish_army
Short but to the point report on PT-91 vs Leo 2A4 reliability. The graphs are really all you need to look at.
This looks Really interesting, I'll be sure to read this and put any other reports like this on my reading list. Thanks anon.
Nice read anon
>NATOshit: rugged, tough, mass-produced
>Slavshit: finicky, flimsy, hand-made
it turns out zubhumans were also projecting when they spammed "muh western boutique equipment" boasts
>now days
I always jerked off to the Bradley, it's always been unfairly shat on by midwits that ever thought Pentagon Wars was anything more than a funny comedy with no actual relation to reality.
>severily
Hello sirs please russia is doing the power of needful do not disparage
is this supposed to be a poor parody of a vatnik talking or genuine?
>but I made multiple threads!
kek we don’t care. Chadley lives rent free inside of your head and always will
>he's still this butthurt that his air-launched ballistic missile got intercepted by a system designed to shoot down ballistic missiles
it really is a goldmine of zigger seethe, just like this will be.
>fabricated story
>location of the tank round impact is literally shown in the video
are you moronic?
There's not a single indicator that it was a tank round
cope
I accept your concession
taking a break from schizo posting on /news/?
Meds
yes, go get them. You are in need of copium
Come on now.
Those are Russian Bradleys, cope and seethe.
This post is incredibly divorced from reality and it’s kinda impressive
>Just like Kinzhals and Patriots
Why did you brothers in BRICS refuse to see the site
How could this catastrophe have befallen the multipolar world
The virgin every other IFV in existence vs the chadley. Someone will make this meme and I will repost it daily for atleast 8 years
>NORF NORF
Do you literally have a list of "organic" memes and instructions to somehow include one in each post despite having no idea what they mean or refer to? NORF refers to Northern ENGLAND, where they pronounce North like Norf, you absolute moron.
I've been to the norf, even stopped at a Greggs just because of the memes
It was shit
SECOND TO NONE
Damn that's kino
I wish more people understood how impressive it is to have your turret able to match the hull in rotation speed.
>When the dogshit slow turret traverse and gun elevation rate on the T-72 prevent the fire control stabilization from working at anything but a brisk jog.
>When upgraded turret traverse drives with about a 20% increase in rate exist as replacement parts.
>Vidrel: https://youtu.be/IcgR9BFzQUg?t=299
>Dogshit 20 degree/sec rate for T-72 in contrast to the nearly 40 degrees rate only available on the T-80U coming out just before the fall of the USSR
>Only the T-80U came close to matching the average turret traverse rate of Western MBTs
SECOND
TO
NONE
*insert rad 80s synth riff*
It's almost a shame when thirdies delete their own posts to save face, I wish they stayed up so I could have a giggle at them.
Most of the time the posts get taken down because they get banned due to their rather bad habit of compulsively sharing their incomprehensively large library of troony porn with us whenever they feel like they are losing the argument they started.
The thirdies and their strange habits are a mystery to a western man like me.
CV90 bros when are we roping ourselves. I can’t take seeing the Bradley receive all the glory
the snail sends its regards
Odds they nerf the Bradley instead like how they buffed Russian tanks when they got BTFO?
>Open link
>Expect to see a video of a tank shooting at a Bradley
>Get a random walk-around while someone speaks gibberish
Bravo!
>1.5 years into war
>still doesn't understand ukrainian
what the frick are you people doing with your lives i don't get it
>2020
>See war started in ethiopia
>Hide for 3 years while i only focus my mind on learning ethiopian to enjoy ethiopian war kino
>Enter /k/ to see some ethiopian war kino
>War ended
>Slavs be fighting in the most kino war since Gulf War
>Be me (picrel)
I learned their alphabet. Does that count?
>WHY WEREN'T THEY FILMING THEIR OWN BRADLEY IN COMBAT?!
>AFTER ACTION REPORT DOESN'T EXIST, IF THINGS DIDN'T HAPPEN ON CSMERA IT MEANS THEY DIDN'T HAPPEN
But one million patriots and HIMARS were destroyed because Putin said so, right?
>XAXAXAXA THERE IS NO WAY OUR TANK AMMO FAILED TO PENETRATE
>the tank ammo
Your powder didn't burn fully and your perpetrator likely under performed due to mishandling and general rot.
i always wondered, how much does "dirty" ammo affect performance.
i've seen most of the russian ammo dumps are quite literally "dumps" and they just throw shit on the ground like a pack of teenagers. all the mud clinging to that artillery, GRAD and tank ammo must be doing something right?
It would definitely cause uneven barrel wear if they rub it off. I don't know much about the propellent and fuses in old soviet shells, but I can't imagine conditions like this would improve their performance.
This is problably ammo to be discarted, I can't fantom how possible someone will just take the round out of the box and wax paper and just throw in the dirt; not even mongolians are so moronic.
>This is problably ammo to be discarted
lamo no you crazy
This shit is fresh. MINT!
>not even mongolians are so moronic.
I thought that too. Many times. Every single time it turned out that, yes, they are that moronic. They whole country operates in the mindset of, at best, a minimum wagie on a friday. Nobody cares enough to do anything right. They are all just watching the clock and mailing it in until their shift ends.
Did they wrap them in old carpets for some reason?
Are you moronic? Did you skip history class?
Ancient Egyptians wrapped their mummified corpses and offerings to dead Pharaohs in linen made from flax.
So it's an afterlife gift to Pharaoh Two-tank-amun?
I think that might be the cellulose propellant cases. Which would have...implications.
Nah, those are 3M6 shells for the T-62s. They use metallic cases, it's not bad to that extent. Still not great mind you, the propellant is still probably sweating out the nitroglycerin but that's happening inside the casing.
Probably some kind of packing material used to prevent damage during transport, but when you're storing this shit in the open air in wooden crates in Siberia for several decades with 0 care they tend to decay.
I believe it's their compressed waxpaper transport tubes coming apart.
Pretty dure this was the one Bradley that was being posted about a while back which had the Twitter tankies and assorted third-worlders seething. The Ukrainians said the vehicle was hit but everyone survived and that it was being used as a donor for spare parts due to the hull damage, including the removed turret. The c**ts were screeching the turret had been blown off and that it had clearly cooked off and that the images of the interior of the vehicle were from another vehicle etc. Well well well, would you look at that the interior isn't burnt out.
>guy refuses to go back to BMPs
kek, as it should be
If everything is so great why did counteroffensive fail?
>claim the offensive is over
>keep losing
>WTF why are you laughing?
>repeat
This also made western weapons look weak and ineffective, bet burgers are furious about it...
>post shithole propaganda rag
>LOOK THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA SAYS SO
You’re brown. Please post what the Hindustan times thinks.
ąćęłńó keyboard wrote that
no one gives a shit about your tabloid trash media, balkan wog
fraudulent mail in bradleys are the only reason why russia is losing, stop the war
What is it with you people and projection? Every insult or meme or accusation you hurl applies to you and only you. On top of that you steal them from us.
>be the second army in the World
>invade the poorest Nation of the continent
>almost 2 years in
>you are on the defense and retreating because they got a couple spicy rockets
Ukranian please, learn 2 English.
is... is that shit? wrapped on a pallet?
no it's the Mobik Cube
He MEANT what he typed
Supposedly dead russians.
It's gotta be fake, though. Russians don't have pallets.
dude seems to heartbroken that he has to leave it behind.
Im sorry i doubted you Bradley
AIEEEEEEE BRADLEY-SAMA, I KNEEL, I SQUEEL, I CONGEAL, AIEEEEE, AIEEEEEEE
I don't like the idea of the Bradley ever being targeted by a Russian tank, what happened to their recon?
>Human designed with the soldier in mind
Holy shit this thing must be way better than a BMP
it's a travesty that they deleted the gun ports.
>40k get
>wants chimera lasgun ports to be real
baste
They kept the rear gun ports to suppress the area if they have to disembark under fire
Side ports were a holdover from when they thought they would have to fight in a nuclear hot zone and the crew might need to fight without ever dismounting
You couldn't use the side ports on the A3 anyways, the add-on steel armor would block the path
Did you guys know the army developed a 12-gauge that could be fitted to the M231 firing ports?
No I didn't. Thanks for the /k/ trivia Anon. Here's a cool .jpeg
I feel like "developed a 12-gauge" is giving them a little too much credit here
Fair enough. But it's still somewhat interesting that they bothered at all.
Could imagine being the guy who goes to investigate the weird stubby thing poking of IFV you've just tracked and getting blasted in the face by this?
Why would you investigate what is obviously the end of a barrel sticking out of a firing port?
>it's a travesty that they made the armor actually functional
Bruh
You people have said the same shit every time before puccian army performed yet another gesture of goodwill.
Do you people just not learn?
Feels bad that Karkiv and Kieve happened so fast there wasn't time for people to build up a cope compendium
You are on the defense and retreating.
During your own invasion.
That you had time to prepare for 8 fricking years.
No one really cares but you butthurt east euros.
Ruskies could pack their shit tomorrow, make mission accomplished banner and be done with it.
america's closest brush with the embarrassment russia currently faces is their failure to capture pancho villa. that was over 100 years ago
>embarrassment
Like you ended up as 4ch shitposter in your life, embarrassment is meaningless word here.
this is a hobby, not a career. projection?
lol a hobby. no you ended up here because something is fricking wrong with you moron.
dragging me down to your level, are you?
Are you what replaced the good shitposters after they were sent to the front?
>Feeding (you)s to a shitposter for life on PrepHole
eh
brown
I love villa so much bros
Indeed they could. It would seal their fate as a failed state but that's a done deal anyway. It'd save a few of their remaining working-age males at least, I guess. But those are brutalized by war and probably better of getting euthanized by the Ukies instead of returning home to rape and plunder their former homes.
>russia will win in 2 days
>russia will win in 2 weeks
>russia will win in 2 months
>russia will win in 2 years
>globohomosexual will never win
>globohomosexual is advancing slowly
>globohomosexual will win any day now jk lol xaxaxa)) [<you are here]
>globohomosexual advancing means nothing
>this doesn't count
>it was all part of the plan
>we were stabbed in the back by bad boyars
>great patriotic war for DPR-LPR 2014-2025 was a necessary sacrifice lads! we can't let it go to waste. charge! [in 2045]
patriotic war for DPR-LPR 2014-2025 was a necessary sacrifice lads! we can't let it go to waste. charge! [in 2045]
Implying this entire war won't be memory holed like Afghanistan and every other war moskals lost.
So...every war but WWII?
Yeah, pretty much.
Memory holed? It's not even relevant enough for that. Apart form the memes, does anybody outside of the affected countries care about the Bosnian War? Same thing.
The West will remember it as the time that "THE 2ND POWER IN THE WORLD" got buck broken by a poorgay country.
Russia will just forget like they did after Poland 1920, and seek out some other countrylet in bumfrick Afristan to bully (because it was historically russian).
Oops, I just realized he was claiming the Russians will memoryhole it, not the Americans. My bad. Also you , stop being such a fricking ESL and learn how English works.
we wuZ kangZ n Ziggers n shiet
/k/ cares. And all the yugoslav wars in the 90s were relatively low-intensity.
This war has killed more ziggers in year than yugoslavs managed to kill each other over a decade. Let that sink in.
It's killed more ziggers than every war since WW2 has killed Americans, twice over.
It's more than three Vietnams worth of corpses, getting close to four.
The really interesting question is how long will they keep this up.
How high will the death toll rise?
I think they'll just keep going until something forces them to stop. Absolute best case for Russia is if the conflict froze right now and they got to keep the territory they currently hold.
>Absolute best case for Russia is if the conflict froze right now
Oh, absolutely. But that's not happening and they know it.
Everyone in Russia must know they have no chance of victory nor saving face, so the question really is how long this suicidal failure will continue to plague everyone involved. And how far is Russia willing to go just to spite Ukraine? Nooks would be completely insane, but then again, so was invading Ukraine...
Russia will conquer Ukraine and fight to the last Russian. The last Russian in particular will be Putin flying away on his private jet, which will crash when all of the improperly secured washing machines in the cargo hold shift to one side.
Ukraine might have 100 k dead total by the end
Russia probably a million dead at current rate
It's really that lopsided. Ukrainians are running mash units trained by rangers and using Bradley, actual bullet proof vest and helmets. Russian conscripts who are being slaughtered have no guns when fighting is breaking out.
Ukrainians hit them with long range in the back and push forward while someone goes over or around the line and they slaughter them then pull back in "probing attacks".
The Russians positions are extremely well known and Ukrainians have range and can fight at night. Russians are all fresh conscripts fighting in a foreign country and Ukrainians are now combat veterans fighting to avenge the lost. 15-20 to 1 kd right now. It caused priggy and Wagner to mutiny it's that lopsided.
It's not that rosy, the scariest front flipper spec ops men die to arty all the same, and Ukrainians also have plenty of fresh conscripts dying to old Soviet officers' ineptitude. The ratio is going to be between 2:1-3:1. Ukrainians are suffering too. Which I guess is good enough for vatniks.
>Arguing with the shitposters
lmao, we've known the true ratio since the leaks, good attempt but just ignore these morons. This is a thread for moronic claims and meme generation, like the mobiks cube. Nobody is taking this shit seriously.
Loads of lurkers are gonna take it seriously and spread embarrassingly bad info
>captcha: 0JAAT
The reality is closer to 1:3 than 1:10.
As shitty as russians are, peer land war is lethal for everyone involved
It's 1-15 at least. I'm including diseases, the Russians killing each other, suicides, drug overdoses, all of it. I've seen enough, heard enough, seen the resources shifted it's 1-15 most likely 1-20. This is turning into histories greatest slaughter. rorkes drift times 10,000.
>The really interesting question is how long will they keep this up.
Until the next mutineer decides to go through with their march on Moscow.
I think Wagner is the only group that stood a chance of actually affecting change. I don't think the Roscosmos or Russian Orthodox Church PMCs have what it takes.
I was hoping Prigo would go full crazy and burn down Moscow or some shit
He was almost the first guy in centuries to march on Moscow and win...
>I don't think the Roscosmos or Russian Orthodox Church PMCs have what it takes.
I guess it's up to PMC Vkusno i Tochka, then.
>There is a non-zero chance Tochka Tochka missiles strikes
Tochka Tochka, please
Don't you know their coming fast
Tochka Tochka, please.
Don't you know I'm still in the blast
She walked up to me and really stole my heart
And then she started to take my body apart
Livin', lovin', I'm on the run
far away from you
Livin', lovin', I'm on the run
So far away from you
Tochka, Tochka, please
Oh, I'm going fast
Tochka Tochka, please
Oh, I'm going fast
It's only just a moment
She's turnin' paranoid
That's not a situation
For a nervous boy
Tochka, Tochka, please
Oh, the mess I'm in
Tochka, Tochka, please
Oh, the mess I'm in
But you look so angry
As I crawled across your trench
She's got the strain
And I can't take the stench
Livin', lovin', I'm on the run
far away from you
Livin', lovin', I'm on the run
So far away from you
Tochka, Tochka, please
Oh, I'm going fast
Tochka Tochka, please
Oh, I'm going fast
Tochka, Tochka, please
Oh, I'm going fast
Tochka Tochka, please
Oh, I'm going fast
Don't forget Gazprom
But on a more serious note, the biggest threat to Putins regime is now Rosvygardia. Not because of any questions regarding their loyalty, but simply because there are more than three hundred thousand of them and they are about to start receiving heavy weapons which will make them by far the most powerful private army in Russia
If Zolotov ever decides he wants the top job there is going to be a whole lot that can stop him
So what are the chances this shitshow ends with a rage-fueled order to use nuclear weapons followed by an immediate coup followed by everyone collectively shrugging their shoulders and going home?
that might even become a weekly occurrence
Checked. Though I'd like to think that by the second one someone would decide to step in to prevent a third.
>Rosvygardia.
I would rather put my money on the Russian oligarchs.
>Imagine they are all on the table and decide to take out Putin because what he's been doing is very bad for the business and have to be stop.
>Alexei: call Prigorzhin, we'll pay him whatever he want to remove Putin from the Kremlin
Jokes aside consider how Wagner are real professional soldiers, in terms of actual military experience against motivated enemies and actually making a career, and for all the jokes about Bakmut the Chef did take the town, throwing convicts in human waves shows everything wicked about russian society and yet both minimized the casualties among the valuable troops, remove dthousands of people no one will miss and achieved the objective, I suspect if Prigo were in charge instead of Putin we would have seen far greater horrors and the ukrainians would have suffered a lot more, Prigozhin would have had no problem rounding up not just convicts but a quota of flesh from every oblast including Moscow and send the morons who shill about Russia here at PrepHole as cannon fodder for their mercs and artillery to spot the enemy.
It may still happen, we are reaching a point where it would be better to use the trolls as fodder and their salaries to buy more weapons to the norks.
>Prigozhin would have had no problem rounding up not just convicts but a quota of flesh from every oblast including Moscow and send the morons who shill about Russia here at PrepHole as cannon fodder for their mercs and artillery to spot the enemy.
During his drive to Moscow this was one of the zigger copes.
>If Priggy takes over from Monke the gloves will really come off and we'll slaughter billions of hohols!
And for what it's worth, I do agree that Priggy would be able to extend the war at the cost of many more lives.
>consider how Wagner are real professional soldiers,
Wat? They have shit training so any "professionals" are just fortunate survivors, and that still does not replace thorough Western style training. War is complex.
>nd send the morons who shill about Russia here at PrepHole as cannon fodder for their mercs and artillery to spot the enemy.
>It may still happen, we are reaching a point where it would be better to use the trolls as fodder and their salaries to buy more weapons to the norks.
This is correct. After all the returns are diminished. They can control joystick guns and such things and do infantry if needed , A contract is a contract the job can change. Many are keen. It is all good. Many would probably gladly volunteer but glavset contract traps them. Free the glavset, send them to Ukraine. It is the best of Russia.
>remove dthousands of people no one will miss
I wonder how many Wagnerites were politicals and/or otherwise petty criminals. Not that I'd excuse them for joining as they have to earn their freedom with killing Ukrainians but still
I think the Russian generals are selling shells off for cash playing warlord. Still
The Europeans in general are deeply, viscerally upset at the possibility of war returning to European soil
>post croatian tabloid news
Might as well post India news sources as well.
>zigs mortified by the engine sound
>never getting into a BMP again
I knew the western gear was good but I never knew it was this funny
The Bradley is a heavily armored modern IFV (by IFV standards) while a BMP is a first generation tin can, so it's not really a surprise.
>>zigs mortified by the engine sound
i think they're trolling. can a zigger (probably has brutal hearing damage, too) hear a fricking engine of something anywhere from 200m - 2km away? especially during a battle. not only hear the engine, but be able to pinpoint the vehicle based on sound alone?
they threw that in for shits and giggles probably
"BRADLEY could be here" he thought, "I've never been in this field before. There could be BRADLEY anywhere." The horrible engine whine 200km away pierced his ears. "I HATE BRADLEY" he thought. A pirated Russian copy of The Pentagon Wars played through his stolen earbuds, making them pulsate even as the 300 ruble vodka circulated through his powerful thick veins and washed away his (merited) fear of night vision equipped IFVs after dark. "With a BMP, you never have to worry about vehicle recovery" he said to himself, out loud.
severely underrated. 10/10
>"With a BMP, you never have to worry about vehicle recovery" he said to himself, out loud.
laughed out loud for real
The bradley has a very distinctive engine sound that you can hear from decently far away. Under the right conditions a zigger could definitely hear one coming and piss himself.
>Bradley that survived a direct tank hit
>Abandoned with no turret
'survived' can mean many different things, it almost certainly does not mean it wasn't penetrated.
>Abandoned
>Surrounded by Ukrainian soldiers
We must have different definitions of the word.
Abandoned just means the crew and dismounts had to bail due to the damage.
The turret was taken off after it was hit as a parts donor
M2A2 survives direct ACK-
Fricker hit it with an AT-4 goddam.
are mortified by its engine sound, caught in intercepts
Nice
I've seen this KOed bradley before. Ziggers always spam it all the time
I've mentioned before Brads already proved their pretty impressive survivability-in-class in Iraq. I'm glad they're keeping their crews alive.
>tank could not even penetrate side
Just about everything can so I'm already calling bullshit,
Entirely possible in battlefield conditions. War is not a testing environment with pristine ammo, short ranges and perfect shots at right angle to armor plates.
It probably was a low-energy hit from low quality ammo at high angle, glancing off.
are mortified by its engine sound, caught in intercepts
kek
>this mortifies the zigger
The BMP's look cool and make sense if you're a complete dump of a nation. If I were a tinpot dictator I'd have tons of them, but as a serious world contender army? As we can see they don't field well in a real conflict. I didn't think the Bradley's would dunk on them so hard but you gotta give it to America we are good at uparmoring and upgrading our stockpile.
it could have been a hesh shell
We should send Ukraine some more Bradleys, they seem to love them.
>M2A2 Bradley that survived direct tank hit.
Random round failures happen. IIRC there was an individual occurrence in WW2 where a Tiger I fired a shell straight on into the side of a Stuart light tank and failed to penetrate it. It's still a not insignificant indictment of modern day Russian/1940s German quality control but it's not some magical impossibility.
B-b-but Cumsalo Ruble told me they were just like thinly armored jeeps, why did coach redpill lie to me???
Not even the 80s era M2 was that poorly armored
It had all-around .30 and frontal .50 protection
The M2A3 has bolt-on steel armor that gives it all-around 14.5mm protection and frontal 30mm protection
You're confusing M2 with M113. M113 was protected from .30 cal on the sides and .50 cal from some distance frontally. Original M2 was protected from 14.5 all around while M2A2 increased the frontal protection to 30mm proof and added ability to mount ERA.
are mortified by its engine sound, caught in intercepts
Lol really? One thing I was a little worried about with giving them brads was just how fricking loud they are. Funny to read the russians are actually shitting themselves when they hear it.
Even if a Russian HEAT or sabot was only like 1/10th of it's specs it'd still pen a Bradley. The US tested all this shit. However, I'm willing to believe a tank sabot over-penned so hard that there was minimal spalling or similar effects. A typical Russian tungsten dart will spend most of its energy getting through tank armor and when it gets inside it's splashing crap all over the crew. Against thin armor it might retain most of it's mass and pass cleanly out the other side.
HE would rattle the crew but not pen anything. HEAT should have caused severe damage and death so I doubt that was used.
Could've been anything from a training round to a dud with a barely any propellant
Impossible feats of survival are not so outlandish with the absolute state of russian forces
And if it was a 125mm sabot the LACK of ERA would have saved the crew. ERA deforms the dart in such a way that it reduces penetration BUT would have caused lots of crap being shot into the interior. Letting the dart pass cleaning through the vehicle is in fact the best outcome.
ALSO, Russians use tungsten darts which doesn't have the secondary combustion effect of DU.
Translation available?
>1.5" of aluminium +1.5" of steel will stop any tank round
[X]doubt
>Ziggers are terrified of the Bradley engine sound
Now we are witnessing the creation of Garand clip tier fuddlore and morons here are lapping it up. Over the artillery and machine/autocannon fire and engine sounds of other from other vehicles, infantry can make out the specific engine note of Bradleys hundreds of meters to km away. Nevermind that there is only one unit with Bradleys and the only advancing theyve done is piling themselves up in minefields.
I don't know, armoured vehicles are really stupidly loud and from the examples I've seen in person, IFVs and APCs are the loudest of them all, drowning out even tanks when they are moving together.
Direct tank hit from what? A T-54? A BMP? BMD? Recoiless rifle? They haven't a clue and didn't hang around to find out.
Bradley kills a tank on video
https://twitter.com/yarosgreb/status/1676900544386826241?s=46&t=vNUOI7d7yJFqHoqKrRS_XQ
Correction, kills a white blob
Clear tank silhouette. I love that your coping tho
Yeah please point out the obvious tank features.
Could be a BTR or BMP for all we know
Long cannon and the shape of the turret.
NTA but I can't really make out either of those things.
That’s fine. I can
Very cool, thanks anon.
Are we still pretending that Western equipment are wondrous weapons? How to account for those pics earlier this month of smoking Bradley hulks? They're good, but they're not miracle machines, Ukraine needs more of them, and this kind of object worship could end up creating a nasty feed back loop where people in the West accuse Ukrainians of misusing these machines when they see them destroyed in the media, and politicians resultingly end up reluctant to send more.
No individual weapon is a “wondrous” weapon, tanks die in combat, we should send 1,000 more brads and 1,000 f16s and (You) should learn to shit in a toilet instead of a street right after you get better at english
It's a valid criticism, and you can't deflect it by pretending anyone who disagrees with you is merely a subcontinental.
It isn’t a valid criticism. We aren’t “pretending” anything; its possible to simultaneously believe that western equipment is objectively and measurably superior to russian equipment and also that western equipment can still be destroyed. Your concern trolling, bad faith argument, relies on a strawman you’ve built and deserves nothing more than ad hominems.
Uncritically accepting that an IFV can absorb a round from a MBT, and everyone was fine, home in time for tea and medals, is moronic. The video has been edited, subtitles and music added. How you can take it at face value boggles the mind.
There’s only a small amount of heavily posted Bradley kills. Half of the most famous picture is of Bradley’s that were later recovered. A shockingly small amount have been destroyed. Oryx says 9
he says 13 destroyed
and having 27 bradleys destroyed, disabled and abandoned in 2-3 weeks of offensive for miniscule gains is shocking.
shockingly bad for the ukranians
13 destroyed. Most others recovered. 30 new hulls received from the US. Russia can’t replace its losses and the 47th is quite literally turning Russians into cubes of meat
uh huh, 2 more weeks
>2 more weeks and Russia will finally begin its push after curiously halting in place once HIMARS came along
He says 9 destroyed. 16 damaged/abandoned, and 7 recovered on video
no he doesnt, learn to read
You are not convincing
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-ukrainian.html
read
Russia has lost over 1000 BMP-2s, and their ratio of vehicle losses is far worse than the Ukrainians while being on the defensive. Also it's not even close to 30 Brads being written off.
got concussion, broken leg and hand, rest is unharmed
How useless is the enemy tank commander? How did they not get off another HE shot before they all scattered? What about their MG?
Most likely dead from the Bradley’s TOW
are mortified by its engine sound, caught in intercepts
Would it work
It just looks so cool and fun to drive
Like
1 for every infantry platoon.
Maybe change the armament to 84mm rockets?
Kek.
>totally a tank guys
>no it wasn't a mine, why would you think it was a mine that removed 5 of the 6 road wheels
>that is totally normal for a tank hit
Is this bait? Are people really falling for this shit? Am I going to be called a vatnik shill despite supporting Ukriane and liking the Bradley simply because I have eyes?
>what is HE