M16A4

Was it a good rifle?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >double down on all the features that made the A2 worse than the A1
    >make it even heavier with a long-ass steel quad rail
    No. It continues the Marine Corps litany of errors in development of the M16 as a service rifle
    The only good decision was issuing everybody with an optic on a flat top receiver

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That was the only choice back then if you wanted all of the toys you'd attach to the rail system.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yes but the entire foregrip doesn't need to be a rail

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        A4 with the M5 RAS didn't really roll out among Marine units until 2004. A3s and A4s were rare as shit before that and had A2 handguards
        By then there were definitely options for lightweight handguards with short rail sections
        Probably best known are the PRI carbon-fiber tubes used on the SPR. Albeit not suitable for a service rifle due to cost and durability, they show there were options for making handguards with Pic rails that aren't full-length quad rails
        Canadian approach of just clamping a rail around the front sight was also an option

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        okay Black person what fricking toys were you gonna put on a rail in early gwot aside from a vert grip, a peq2 and flashlight

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Yes but the entire foregrip doesn't need to be a rail

          Bro who cares?! I carried an M16 with the RAS and it wasn't too heavy. It's still a relatively light service rifle. If you actually think it's way too heavy then you aren't at a military level of fitness even for a POG. Do your pushups. I saw fat supply girls lug that thing around every day no problem. Full rail is nice because you have more flexibility - and also, to reiterate, who fricking cares. They're not that heavy.
          >captcha: TH0T

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I was a saw gunner with 3/1 but do tell me how the a4 wasn't simply a way for kac to sell the gubmint a shitload of rifle length qaud rails

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              What would the alternative have been? A handguard with a half rail? Why bother when the included rail covers could make any section of the rail basically the same as an A2? And why is it a bad thing that they were produced by KAC? It was a cutting edge arms company at the time. I don't understand your sawtism about this. A tough and modular handguard that could accomodate any attachment and in virtually any position at the trade of a few extra ounces added to an already lightweight aluminum .22 caliber rifle. Why wouldn't the government choose that over a slick design with rails only in specific places that may or may not meet the needs of the user? Because of aesthetics?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >double down on all the features that made the A2 worse than the A1
      such as exactly?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        "Match" sights, heavy profile barrel. Both USMC mandated changes

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >A2
      >worse than A1
      The A1 was a fricking dumpster fire, there's a reason it was replaced.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >steel quad rail
      The rail is made of aluminum you fricking nogun homosexual
      I know because I have one unlike you, you don’t even own a gun.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yes and it still is. I killed several people with it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      What is it like to kill a person

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It feels like wet sand

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I don't know I've only killed muslims

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Salty coins and milk

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It means Japanese sword.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        feels like beavers and ducks, sometimes like sand and wet magnets, but I've only ever wished people for death and have enjoyed some obituaries more than others.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The pleasure of being cummed inside

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I don’t know, I’ve only ever shot people that made me feel bad

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        don't know, it's the drone that does it
        there's a lot of sand tho

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        feels good when you see the red mist come out of ragheads

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Sure you did, son. Now lets get you to bed.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Its a good rifle. Its not perfect, but its good. It has the stupid burst mechanism of the A2 as well as the gay and moronic barrel. The rail was very good for its time. Today you would want something lighter and free floated of course. Given the transition from COIN back to LSCO, a full length rifle makes more sense again. The added velocity makes 5.56 more lethal at farther ranges. And the longer and heavier rifle is extremely soft shooting. An A4 is like shooting a 10/22. Accurate, rapid fire is easy.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Aluminium free float handguards are quite garbage, they shift, easy to damage/bent, and look bad.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        They aren't as tough as a RAS but there have been several models that have achieved military adoption.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >several models that have achieved military adoption
          like what

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >achieved military adoption
            nta but the Marines replaced all their rifles with a 416 that has an aluminum free float handguard. People love to b***h about the M27, but if there was a problem with the handguards everyone would complain about it.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        People obsessed with their toy ultralight range rifles and delude themselves into thinking they're suitable for service use. Many such cases.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Handguard rails don't need to be 1MOA. Handguards are for mounting a laser/IR illuminator and a foregrip. Lasers are for short range anyways, so the "warping" of aluminum vs steel doesn't matter.

        Optic mounts on the upper receiver rail, not the forward handguard.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >gay and moronic barrel
      I agree, so I made one with a lightweight barrel and love it

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Very nice Anon. I'm tempted to do something similar but mine is built on a surplus complete FN upper so I don't want to frick with it. I have a pencil barrel 16inch and its very handy. One of these days I'll do a "fixed" A2 build with a pencil barrel and nice trigger.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I dig them. I was always issued an M4 and later M27, but whenever I saw a POG I'd take their M16 and played with them for a while

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >senpai noticed my 20"
      uwu

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This brings back happy memories. I can only speak from peacetime experience, but I did keep all my range data books because I'm a marksmanship autist. I was issued an M4 at my first unit and an M16A4 at my second. There is a noticeable difference between my holds and impacts with both weapons during wind calls at 500 yards. Wind, sunny skies, and temperature were similar on all my qual days because I always got sent to the range in the summer. The added velocity of the longer M16 barrel clearly helped, because I consistently scored ~10 points higher at the 500 with it.

    I got out right before they introduced the new course of fire. If any of you guys are still in, what's it like?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I can’t speak for marines but for the army it’s better for realistic(ish) marksmanship in a combat situation and its made to vaguely mimic a movement to contact starting standing unsupported with a single target before moving to the prone. Everything after that is fighting up from prone to standing with a barrier and all reloads have to be done from magazines on your kit.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        That sounds much closer to what my boots went through on the range at Lejeune after I left. We still score off paper targets with guys pulling pits instead of the automated green plastic ones y'all have, unless that has changed too. To be honest, I trust two dudes staring at paper from ~6 feet away more to tell me where I hit it over some clapped out sensor assembly that may or may not register depending on how BTFO'd the target is. Hope you shoot expert every time, King.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The automatic targets suck and ate up ranges in certain shitholes away from big bases will be shot through enough for bullets to just pass through and do nothing

          plethora meaning what? Rear sight elevation adjustment like every other infantry rifle worldwide? Vastly more robust and serviceable furniture? Flash hider that doesnt kick up dirt?

          Only thing I'll say is the large adjustable windage knob is tarded and the barrel did not need to become bloated in the one spot where it doesn't matter. A2s and A4s have a peculiar front heaviness that A1s don't.

          Namely the barrel profile and burst selector, both of which are pretty significant changes. I run a C7 upper on a carbine lower as a semi-clone of a SEAL’s gun in the gulf war and it’s obnoxiously front heavy

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It still is a good rifle. Its heavy so it sucks for rucking with, but when it comes to shooting its really soft shooting. I don't think it'd be going away even with the M7.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It was alright, m4 is better.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    why has every AR after the A1 just gotten heavier? the M16A1 is light and handy

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The M16A2 has a plethora of bad decisions in its design but its a phenomenal target rifle. My personal favorite is the C7 though because it’s just obscure enough for my autistic tastes

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        plethora meaning what? Rear sight elevation adjustment like every other infantry rifle worldwide? Vastly more robust and serviceable furniture? Flash hider that doesnt kick up dirt?

        Only thing I'll say is the large adjustable windage knob is tarded and the barrel did not need to become bloated in the one spot where it doesn't matter. A2s and A4s have a peculiar front heaviness that A1s don't.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Exactly.

        The M16A2 was min-maxed as frick for the old USMC Table 1 annual qual course of fire where you're shooting static targets in predictable stages and positions at known distances competition-style with a loop sling, a soft cover, no body armor and bare minimum LBE and have multiple runs through the course before you shoot for score to dial in your holdovers for windage and adjust based off your groups from the previous days.

        Obviously this is unrealistic as frick for actual combat which is why it got totally scrapped and replaced with a much more realistic annual qual course a few years ago.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    its been downhill since this

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      How would anons have fixed the M16a2 program if they had a time machine solely capable of being used for that one express purpose with no other uses for said time machine possible.
      >Hard mode:
      No "nyet rifle is fine."

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        keep the A1 pencil profile barrel (upgrade to 1:7 twist, though) and safe-semi-auto fcg. otherwise accept all the other a2 changes.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The A2 sights are a massive downgrade and arguably the worst change the A2 made.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            just use the small aperture, zero at 25/300m (like you're already supposed to), and don't touch the elevation wheel and it's functionally identical to a1 sights

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              not him but how does zero at 25 work? Like do the vullets go directly in the center of target at 25?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Literally yes.
                You set your rear sight to 300, add a click or two depending on rifle variant, shoot a group at 25, then zero with front sight post and windage knob.

                From there you would ideally verify zero at 300 but most folks don't really get the chance.

                See the instructions on the target.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                do you have something like that paper for the a1?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              This. Midwits watch too much youtube and parrot bad takes on the A2 sights. It's the best part of the gun.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                just use the small aperture, zero at 25/300m (like you're already supposed to), and don't touch the elevation wheel and it's functionally identical to a1 sights

                I third the notion that A2 sights are fine. I personally prefer them to A1 sights.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Make it the A3 with the full auto trigger pack

        Dont frick with the barrel profile

        Standarize a weaver attachment for the top carry handle or just replace it altogether with a raised ridge for a rail

        Dont lengthen the stock, alternatively make the collapsible stock standard

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You invented the C7

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Tell him its a C7A2 build.

            the C7 still keeps the longer stock though, and they go flat top whereas i mean a raised section meant to give good eye relief with a scope like the 656. Also obviously the C79 would have to give way to ACOGs.

            If you think about it any scope too long to put on a raised section like that and which would require a complete flat top isn't really meant for infantry use. LPVOs wouldn't have come around for a long time and you coupld probably extend that top rail an inch or two hanging past the front end and manage.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Another option would be flat top and detachable carry handle, but the carry handle is just a raiser with its own rail section like this. You could make it as long as your standard sight system needs and go for a flat top when configured for special purposes, i It'd weight more and add more loose parts though.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              why would you raise the receiver instead of just incorporating the riser into the scope mount? Braindead. There's a reason nobodys done what you're describing since the 80s

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Because most scope mounts don't actually come with raisers and you have to get them yourself, duh, and people have fricking around trying to find the perfect set up for good eye relief for decades. If you incorporate it into the receiver itself then that will force all manufacturers to settle on something early, especially since this would predate picatinnys.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                forgot my pic(s)

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous
              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                That is moronic as frick and you should feel bad for being so stupid.

                https://i.imgur.com/ViBJ5GN.jpeg

                forgot my pic(s)

                that setup is literally ideal, unlimited eye relief dot cowitnessed with the iron sights the the reciever and stock were meant to provide optimum height for

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                One of the coolest guns I’ve seen was an old canadian C8 with carry handle and an eotech 512 mounted on an M4 RAS rail. I really want to clone it but cannot find an RAS rail for the life of me.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >have 20 inch upper on solid stock lower
          >cloner friend thinks its cool
          >guy loses his mind the second i toss it on a collapsible stock lower, acts like i killed his dog

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Tell him its a C7A2 build.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              It’s loosely based on this SEAL’s rifle from the kuwaiti embassy in the gulf war, the big difference being I used a C7 upper instead of an A2 and a 4x scope instead of an armson

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Integrate as many features of the E1 and Colt ACR program as possible.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        1. Make the A1 barrel out of the same steel as A2, and give it 1:7 twist rate.
        2. Keep the A2 handguards.
        3. Quit fricking with it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Based

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        How can you live in such a pigsty?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It’s called being cripplingly depressed

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            If you cleaned your house and got your life together you would be less depressed

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Nah, it’s from external factors. When you lose a job that made you $250k a year there’s no point in caring about things after

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I hope you feel better soon Anon

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Let's be honest here. The m16 (when it actually got unfricked) is the perfect rifle of the time and even now as a norm shewtin rifle.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      No, that handle is gay as frick.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's a good rifle. I enjoyed shooting an A4 on the range far more than an M4. Only complaint is the M5 RAS should not have 1913 sections on the aft sections of the left and right sides. Identical layout to the geissele Federal SMR would be perfect.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I enjoyed the M4 more than the M16A4.
      We are not the same.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I don't have an intermediate caliber gun, and I like American military guns. Is this a feasible build for an A4?
    https://www.recoilweb.com/buildsheet-m16a4-oif-edition-133236.html
    There's a local smith who can probably build it for me.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://www.budsgunshop.com/product_info.php/products_id/3095/fn+herstal+36320+15+military+collector+semi-automatic+.223+rem+5.56+nato+20+30

      Just save yourself the trouble and buy the accessories.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Funny enough, the A4, like the M27, is within one pound of the weight of the M7, but apparently the latter is "ridiculously heavy," and essentially a BAR.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The M27 is also ridiculously heavy and it's silly that the Marines would have specced a quad rail in the era of negative space attachment systems.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    No, I'm told it was the best.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Its coming

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Wouldn't be too hard to make that into an excellent DMR, but having it become the standard issue service rifle is peak US Army moronation.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Would it really, though? All it offers over a 417 is shorter length. How important really is length for a dmr?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It's not going to be the standard issue service rifle. The Army is only buying little over 100,000 of them.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Black person, an entire Brigade has them right now today.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Develop a new cartridge to replace both 5.56 and 7.62
            >Continue to use both 5.56 and 7.62
            Unfortunately I think the army brass might actually be this moronic.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          ~~*SIG*~~ got there's.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Black person, an entire Brigade has them right now today.

        yeah and some west german troops patrolled the border with G11s for like a minute

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >picrel
          Saving that for when it's eventually canceled.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          This is hilarious cope. It was already adopted.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            so was the AN94

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          "Yeah I'm gonna compare a grand total of 1,000 G11s, and a Squad being equipped with them, to 100,000+ units made and an entire Brigade already having them with more in the pipeline"
          I don't care for the M7 but Christ you're a fricking moron anon. Whether you're trolling or sincere, you're a moron.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    20 inch barrels are extremely based and for me are the shortest barrels I choose for my rifles
    People really don’t realize how much mpbr and how much reliable fragmentation range you get for every inch of barrel, or how smooth shooting a rifle length gas system is with all that barrel.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    We need to bring back quad rails. MLOK and similar systems are for pussies with noodle arms.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Quad Rails are gay just like you, stop spreading this meme. You have never had your hands grated up by a RAS or RIS for 16 hours a day for six months straight

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It is fine. Slight velocity advantage over the M4A1, which is also heavier than the M4.

    You could build the same or better AR15 yourself.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Krag-Jørgensen, fully adjustable rear sight
    M1903, fully adjustable rear sight
    M1 Carbine, fully adjustable rear sight
    M1 Rifle, fully adjustable rear sight
    M14, fully adjustable rear sight
    M16A2, fully adjustable rear sight, but somehow that is a problem

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      A2 Sight haters are just moronic. The A1 was the only break in a long line of flat range target oriented service rifles.

      You build fundamental skills and confidence on a flat range, it doesn't matter that you won't actually adjust your windage in an ambush.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >front heavy rail
    disregard it

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The A4 and A2 are just so attractive, who cares about flaws guns are supposed to look cool and out of the ar world they are the coolest looking anything else is gay and nerd shit

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      three point sling chad

      I'm thinking about a spectre gear magazine pouch and cst sling combo for my 20". Any other options?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >who cares about flaws guns are supposed to look cool and out of the ar world they are the coolest looking anything else is gay and nerd shit
      yet you didnt post peak ar aesthetic.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Peak aesthetic but the ergonomics of a fricking brick.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      What build is that A2 ?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It's just a shitty h&r. It's a good shooter but the build quality is clearly not an old sp1

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      sexo

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Should have used an adjustable stock.

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    A2 bros, why nobody likes us...

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Competition shooters still love the A2 setup.

      All the fancy match-grade target ARs for high power and service rifle matches are basically just tricked out A2s.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Because your shit is purple with dilated pin holes and a block welded into the receiver

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >16 inch barrel

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          CBA to find purple 20-inchers, but they're out there

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Got a family member thats a Marine,
    theres still love for the Musket-16 but when the M4's and M27's start getting passed out everyone wants one because by that time they are all sick of carrying anything with extra weight

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The Canadians did it right. They even used a different process for their barrels that increases lifespan while maintaining accuracy.

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