So for the sake of curiosity, I'd like to purchase an m16 fcg.
I'd like to emphasize *I DO NOT own an ar15*
A. I understand this is legal, an I correct in assuming that?
B. Will anything about my purchase be traced, tracked or recorded by the federal government?
C. Will I risk being questioned or otherwise followed by any government agency?
D. If I satisfy my curiosity and dispose of said fcg, would it prevent me from purchasing an ar15 in some future date?
A. yes, certain states and cities might ban it I'm no lawyer
A. 1. you will be charged with constructive possession if they feel like tacking it on anyway
B. Probably, gun purchases and purchases from gun affiliate sites are automatically flagged by some banks
C. No.
D. No.
Hey thanks man.
A. "...shall not be infringed."
B. The feds would have to solicit banks, vendors, Silicon Valley, et cetera for that sort of information. You must be high profile or profiteering before this happens
C. Might if you join or establish a militia
D. Constructive possession theory has never held up in court
>charged with constructive possession
Zero convictions (100% failure rate)
Drilling the lower accomplishes nothing other than a third pin aesthetic if the receiver walls are too narrow. Here are some select-fire diagrams and components so that you know what to avoid drilling, milling, or installing
>A. 1. you will be charged with constructive possession if they feel like tacking it on anyway
constructive possession - of what, exactly? FCGs are not regulated items.
If you own an AR-15 and a m16 fcg they will argue you had constructive intent. Look it up and see how often it happens vs how often it succeeds. Not every time but they will try
>Not every time
Never of the time (unconstitutionally vague laws are not legal)
>they will argue you had constructive intent. Look it up
Do you have a single example of someone having ONLY a M16 FCG and a FA bolt and being charged with anything?
nta and mostly unrelated, but one example of a conviction relating to constructive possession came from a guy selling a barrel-less PS90 and a short barrel for a PS90 as part of the same listing
Was “constructive possession” the only thing he was charged with? I doubt it. Secondly he was trying to sell those which is different than just owning them.
If constructive possession was a thing the ATF could arrest any gun owner at any time because basically everyone has a drill and they could drill that third hole. They have chemicals that could make a DD. Reloaders have lots of powder available that could make a pipe bomb. But none of that is criminal until you actually assemble it. Constructive possession isn’t a thing.
You guys really don't understand what constructive possession is. It's not a charge, it's legal fiction. It's an asumption by the court that you had something illegal, even though it wasn't directly in your possession at the time. The charge is possession of whatever illegal thing you are said to have had. It is a real thing and has been successfully applied, just not in federal firearms cases.
>It's not a charge, it's legal fiction
That’s my entire point anon. I directly said it’s not a real thing.
NTA but you have demonstrated that you don't know what you're talking about. Why continue to post?
>I say constructive possession doesn’t exist
>another person says it’s legal fiction
>says never applied successfully not in federal firearms cases.
>meaning it’s not applicable here
>noooooo you’re the stupid one and he’s the smart one
We’re saying the same thing dude. What exactly do you have an issue with in my post? My examples were to show the idea of constructive possession behind a charge is moronic. Why do I “not know what I’m talking about” on how constructive possession applies to owning both a lower and a M16 LPK? Which is the entire point of this thread.
Constructive intent is boomer fuddlore and doesn’t exist. Constructive possession does exist, and has not a single time worked to convince a court that someone possessed an unregistered Title II firearm.
>charged with constructive possession
Constructive possession isn't a charge and has never succeeded as an argument to convict for possession of an unregistered NFA item.
>A. 1. you will be charged with constructive possession if they feel like tacking it on anyway
that’s not a real thing. No one has ever been tried for just constructive possession
nobody on /k/ - certainly nobody in this thread - understands what constructive possession even is
FA FCG for ars are perfectly legal on a federal level. Not sure about state laws. You can have a FA sear if you want. Dont drill the lower and youre fine.
t. not a fricking lawyer but I get away with everything.
I bought a M16 fcg from a gun show years ago, no questions asked. However, I have a registered f/a lower, so the kit is "spare parts" in the unlikely case the atf got involved. Same with parts kits I have for my registered uzi and sterling SMGs.
when I built my m16a1 i just used the fcg that came with it, sans auto sear. I also ended up modiying the disconnecter so it wouldn't disengage when the seklecter is in the "auto position" so I wouldn't get hammer follow. I've heard from arfcom boomers and israelitetubers that they "throw away" the original fire control group in fear of repercussions but that is just moronation like 922r. TLDR it doesn't matter nobody cares unless you actually make a machinegun.
If you install a factory auto sear, it will function as a redundancy against hammer follow (safety sear)
doh! why didn't I think of that? Thanks Anomanous, ill brb just have to set up my drill press.
>brb just have to set up my drill
Oops, I thought you were the Pol
What the frick did this moron do? Drill the hole, insert the pin by itself and then weld another pin to it so you cannot remove the autosear pin? Is this an elaborate plan to outsmart the atf? I need to see that thread.
The owner of that is in Poland, he most likely received the unit modified that way (easily reversable). No ATF to worry about in his country
Makes sense now that I understand he is a Euro, as a burger I sometimes forget other people and countries exist and are allowed to own guns. IIRC the lower is not even regulated in Poland but the bolt and barrel are, so anon could have a full auto lower with the autosear installed aswell and be fine as long as he pinky swears to never use it with his AR-15 upper
Yea, but everything is double or triple the price if available at all 🙁
A friend of mine mills his own full pocket 80% lowers, acquires geissele SSFs (not difficult surprisingly) and uses FA BCGs. It's all legal according to him. Even a three position selector is legal. You can do everything short of drilling the third hole. You can't even mill a fake hole on a lower.
As for your question, just try it out. There's M16 surplus LPKs out there
that makes an AR-15 full auto, so it's illegal and you'll go to jail
Its perfectly legal until you drill the third hole. FA m16 pattern FCGs have been widely sold for decades on the civilian market. As far as whether a purchase could be tracked etc, etc, that is astronomically unlikely and ive never heard of it happening but not entirely impossible. the feds do stupid shit sometimes just because. If youre that worried about it then buy it face to face
You can posess and use every part of an M16 except the third pin lower and safety sear, which can be posessed, but obviously not used.
Personally I swap the disconnector to a semi myself. Technically, the disconnector is what makes the gun "full auto", but without the safety sear & accompanying hole/DIAS the hammer just follows the bolt and the gun wont fire.
Theres nothing too exciting about M16 FCG's other than its cool to have a fake third position. Don't bother with them unless your curious about mechanics or just happen to have one laying around, or you have an M16A1 parts kit and want the authentic worn parts. They tend to be a fair amount more expensive than standard LPKs.
I will say I dont bring my A1 kit build to public ranges because morons see the PROPERTY OF US GOVT, AUTO, and 3 pos safety and assume its a real M16. I just know one day some idiot would call the cops and cause a scene, and local cops are even dumber than ATF agents.