M16

Did the higher ups really try to nut cut the M16 because they were pissed at the M14 being replaced?

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    so it seems.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That's some real petty shit. It shouldn't surprise me though.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yes. But it shouldn't surprise you. War is politics by other means and soldiers dying because a won war guarantees a second term is no different from soldiers dying because fudds wanted to discredit the M16.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They sabotaged reliability tests, but he problems in combat were because of genuine bureaucratic retardation.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >genuine bureaucratic retardation
      not only did they fuck with the propellant, but they advertised it to troops as a futuristic space gun that never needed to be cleaned -- and this issued them without cleaning kits, which is fucking obscene for an army to do

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        That right there is why it sounds more like general maliciousness over simple stupidity.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, this answer and the shit magazines were cause of many jams.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I was under the impression they weren't just paying attention when they were told about what particular gunpowder works best with the M16 and that it still required regular cleaning (doubly so if you don't use the right powder)

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    anyone got the link to the Army pdf/report of the m14 vs the m16? I remember they said something like 8 men with M16s had the same combat effectiveness as 11 men with m14s

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    No. It was a classic combination of the Pentagon and the MIC wanting to cut costs and rush units, consequences be damned.
    >Ordinance Board
    >we should chrome line the barrel and chamber like we've done for the M1 Rifle, M1 Carbine, and the M14
    >Pentagon and Colt
    >costs too much, and this rifle is immune to fouling!
    >said performance was only because of the laboratory tests and special powder
    >OB we need a way to close the bolt incase of failure to feed
    >MIC no you don't it costs too much
    >issue M16 only to SEACOM because they weren't going to trust it against the Soviets
    >snowflake powder gets used up in under a year due to concripts using it's touted full auto to spray blindly
    >MIC studies showed that firefights were decided by amount of rounds fired
    >found out to be completely false but hey MIC sells more ammo
    >OB holy fuck we can't supply anymore snowflake powder WTF are we going to do
    >use what powder we can
    >said powder was used for 7.62x51mm
    >said powder fouled more
    >chrome lined chambers and barrels resisted fouling
    >Pentagon a MIC
    >surprisedpikachuface.jpg

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Nice argument Senator, but how about you back it up with a source?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        My source is that I made it the fuck up. Imagine a world Raiden free of cancel culture, where no one can call me out for my outlandish claims, a world where I can say the N-word!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >but they advertised it to troops as a futuristic space gun that never needed to be cleaned -- and this issued them without cleaning kits, which is fucking obscene for an army to do
      Can I get some sources on these, I don't wanna be a gay reddittard but I was under the impression that;
      >"LOL DOESN'T NEED CLEANING"
      was lead-paint munching boomer grunts spreading misinfo across combat arms like retards are apt to do. Never heard about the ordinance board actually fucking things up like that.

      >genuine bureaucratic retardation
      not only did they fuck with the propellant, but they advertised it to troops as a futuristic space gun that never needed to be cleaned -- and this issued them without cleaning kits, which is fucking obscene for an army to do

      Think I heard about this autism though, but can I get a citation on this too?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >the ordinance board actually fucking things up
        That's it. That's the story.

        I assume there are some programs BuOrd didn't ruin, but I'm not aware of any.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Can I get some sources on these

        You know, there really needs to be a name for the media effect in which there are exponentially more secondary sources available than primary sources. Because while it's accepted fact and all over military coverage sites like Military.com and We Are The Mighty, I can't find direct DOD admission on the cleaning kit issue.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Surely the military wouldn't lie to cover their ass

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        here is one: https://youtu.be/RefVroXrSds?t=348

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        and here's the gold mine. search "cleaning" and "propellant" for your two points

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          oh I'm an idiot https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a953110.pdf

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The book, “The Black Rifle: M16 retrospective” has a lot of information about the early years of the M16. There is also an old sales promotional video for the AR-10 from ArmaLite that states that it requires less maintenance than any other contemporary combat rifle and that the GAS SYSTEM is self cleaning. I think it is reasonable to assume that these claims were also made about the AR-15, but someone along the way exaggerated or misunderstood it to mean that that the entire mechanism needed no cleaning.

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