>that will weigh a ton more than an elcan, cost more, and be worse than one anyway
PA PLxC weighs less, costs less, and has twice the magnification.
11 months ago
Anonymous
not once you add that beluga bendy bill mount or badger / reptilia mount (the only reliable ones) PLUS another red dot.
Even the lightest quality LPVO and mount becomes a pig heavier than the elcan
11 months ago
Anonymous
PA PLxC = 17 oz
PA PLx mount = 5.9 oz
RMR = 1.2 oz
total = 24.1 oz.
Elcan = 23.3oz
RMR = 1.2 oz
RMR mount = ~1 oz
total = 25.5 oz >b-but it has a 1x it doesn't need a red dot
Yes it does. >bendy bill >good
What a fricking moron.
11 months ago
Anonymous
why would you need an rmr on an elcan? it has the best night vision capability 1x on the market.
Just get better length of pull. Elcan still lighter
an argument can be said about having a true 1x and 4x without having to adjust your shoulder or head
11 months ago
Anonymous
what even is FOV when it comes to optics, I've been too afraid to ask...
wouldn't more zoom=less fov? inst that just the tradeoff? how are some sights better than?
11 months ago
Anonymous
It's field of view. Generally measured by either degrees or how many feet are visible horizontally at 100 yards. >how are some sights better than?
Explaining optics would take too long but based on how the optic is constructed you can wind up with more or less FOV with the same magnification.
why would you need an rmr on an elcan? it has the best night vision capability 1x on the market.
Just get better length of pull. Elcan still lighter
>why would you need an rmr on an elcan?
For all the reasons you'd need it on an LPVO or ACOG. >it has the best night vision capability 1x on the market. >oh wow I can see the dot so well!
Great now try to see anything through the glass you clown. No, it doesn't have the best capability, it is one step away from entirely unusable with nightvision.
So: >nightvision >parallax and eye relief free >mounted higher so you can actually look through it with night vision >can instantly switch to red dot by just moving your head slightly, rather than having to take one hand off the weapon to adjust the optic
11 months ago
Anonymous
>you can wind up with more or less FOV with the same magnification
i mean. if your rear aperture is the same size, wouldn't showing more area in that lens just mean being less zoomed in?
11 months ago
Anonymous
No, because obviously it has more than one lens.
If you want to prove it to yourself go look through any LPVO set to 4x, and an ACOG at 4x. Even with a larger eyepiece most LPVOs will have, you will have less FOV.
11 months ago
Anonymous
elcan does not need an rmr the illuminated reticle kicks ass through night vision. Stick to your poormary arms or poortex
11 months ago
Anonymous
yes I'm sure the reticle does kick ass, as I said >oh wow I can see the dot so well!
yes that's fantastic now try to shoot someone. Oh right you can't see them you dumbfrick because you're looking through multiple panes of glass unsuitable for use with nightvision and bumping your fricking PVS-14 into the optic.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>pvs 14 >elcan unsuitable
way to out yourself as a poor that has most definitely never owned an elcan
11 months ago
Anonymous
Of course I don't have an Elcan, mapleBlack folk can tongue my anus I won't ever buy one. Wasn't worth it when they were $1500 I'm sure as shit not buying one now when an ACOG is lighter, better FOV, better reticle, better glass, and I'm gonna mount a red dot on either one. >way to out yourself
You've never looked through an Elcan at night.
11 months ago
Anonymous
ngmi poorvs14 owner
11 months ago
Anonymous
>wouldn't more zoom=less fov?
with everything else being equal, yes
5.56 is not a rifle caliber you moron.
[...]
I haven't used Vortex's yet so I can't speak on them but the ones I have used could not survive .308. Since most people are using them on 5.56 or some other small round it's not a big deal.
>5.56 is not a rifle caliber >you moron.
Dad, please stop sundowning. I miss my old dad
>lpvos fill a niche
Honestly, they cover most use cases that people are going to encounter, but they don't realize that they serve the same purpose as a red dot at 1x
>the reflex shooting 1x on LPVO's is awful even once you pay $2k+ for one
Disagree, I own an Eotech Vudu 1-6x and the 1x is sweet for snap shooting. You're right that you technically don't need 6 or 8x for 5.56 in most cases, but it's nice to have in a quality optic that gives you good optically qualify throughout the zoom range
the 1x on the vudu, razor, nightforce, etc. might seem nice compared to a red dot or something but the elcan is a different beast of glass quality and a true 1x.
>the elcan is a different beast of glass quality
I did shoot it once upon a time as a leaf reservist a long time ago, but I don't remember it being any better than the Eotech I own now
11 months ago
Anonymous
I refer to the specter dr 1-4x. It has a better FOV and eyebox and a true 1x with the best glass quality while the LPVO's are more like a 1.25.
Most people use super heavy setups with offset red dots not for night vision but because the 1x is lacking and they prefer leaving their scope on a higher setting and using a red dot
11 months ago
Anonymous
Damn, the 1x is so good people mount rmrs to their shitbox.
11 months ago
Anonymous
1x on an elcan is still good. It will never be as good as a true RD but still good. and most people don't do that you dishonest dipshit
>lpvos fill a niche but people are generally allergic to nuance and make their purchase decisions based on looks and what everyone else is doing.
This. I have a decent LPVO and hit multiple points for liking one. A 308 BR is a good place for a 1-8 or 1-10 LPVO in my opinion, can in fact make use of the full range of magnification but don't need high power either. But they get overhyped a ton too. Although at this point I think a lot of that is just people using it as a topic to start shit, like stupid hg cartridge homosexualry. Holo/RDS/1x+flipmag or fixed+offset are far better options lots of the time.
Also I think there is room for innovation there. I'd like to see options for electronic zoom control for example with a remote that can go on rail, so that I could rapidly adjust zoom on the fly without ever moving my hands.
I don't think they're bad per se, just pointless since a lot of people put dots on them making their 1x pointless. Also who sets their 1-6 at something like 2 or 5? At least for me I used mine like an elcan switching between 1 and 6 and never using the intermediate magnifications. MPVOs are more sensible if you want better magnification, dot+mag is better for 1x, and ACOG+RMR does most of an LPVOs job while being lighter and more durable
>Also who sets their 1-6 at something like 2 or 5?
Me, I use the full range. Plenty of times it's nice to have some zoom but wider FOV vs going all the way to 8x. But that definitely depends on user pref and use.
another thing to consider is the fact that stuff like thermal clip ons which would make the most difference in target identification don't benefit from 6x + magnification. The resolution caps out around 4x
I don't think they're bad per se, just pointless since a lot of people put dots on them making their 1x pointless. Also who sets their 1-6 at something like 2 or 5? At least for me I used mine like an elcan switching between 1 and 6 and never using the intermediate magnifications. MPVOs are more sensible if you want better magnification, dot+mag is better for 1x, and ACOG+RMR does most of an LPVOs job while being lighter and more durable
LPVOs are uglier than ordinary gun scopes. Not as ugly as red dots, and various ACOG/SUSAT/similar scopes, but still kinda ugly.
If I had a rifle to put a scope on (and for legal reasons I'm not owning a rifle yet, only smoothbore), I'd get me a normal length scope with larger lense diameter.
But if I had to go to war, LPVO would be a great addition
The only downside of an LPVO is the weight. They offer more close range functionality then acogs and 3x+ prisms, and more long range functionality then dots and holographic sights.
LPVOs are jacks of all trades, and masters of none.
>literally all two and three gunners use LPVOs >they’re proven to be faster and more precise >poorgays with PA prisms who don’t or can’t compete claim their setup is justasgood
>but LPVOs provide an advantage in wacky shooting galleries that don't represent anything you could even remotely expect to come across in any practical scenario
3 gunners also use shit like pic related.
I just don't get it, bro. If you mainly use it on 1x, just use a red dot and magnifier. If you don't use the 1x, get a fixed power optic like an ACOG. Having an eyebox on a 1x is just really gay IMO.
Fixed power works well up to 3-5x. Beyond that it actually gets heavy and the tradeoffs with fov become harsher. Variable optics are just plain better if you're actually making use of 5-10x mag, which you probably will if you're using 30 caliber.
Having it also do 1x too is the more debatable part, nobody (but true morons) doubts the value of MPVOs/HPVOs obviously. But reticle designs have lots of advantages, they're sharper, require no power, lot of people like them better then RDS or holo particularly with astigmatism. There's a market for 1x prisms after all. So if someone would want a prism for 1x and also a bunch of magnification an LPVO is a great fit.
And 1x eyebox isn't infinite but it's plenty, plenty good enough on any decent LPVO that if you can't reliably present and get it every single time it's unironically a skill issue. Nobody who actually trains with their rifle will have the slightest difficulty when it comes to that vs an RDS/holo/1x.
doesn't change the fact the 1x isn't a true 1x and sucks so bad people are mounting offset red dots making their setup 32+ oz.
Elcan spectre is the lightest when including mounts, best battery life, better under nods, best 1x, and 4x which pushes the limit of clip on thermal or nvg resolution. Spectre is also the same price or less than as a decent 1-6 vortex or nightforce + mount.
If you need more magnification move up to MPVO but the spectre is better for a carbine.
>doesn't change the fact the 1x isn't a true 1x
Which doesn't matter, whatever "true" even means. >and sucks so bad people are mounting offset red dots making their setup 32+ oz.
No most don't. >bunch of unimportant crap
If you love your spectre that's fine but it wouldn't even be my 3rd choice. >If you need more magnification move up to MPVO
No. I don't want a 1x prism AND mpvo on my 308 bullpup. I use the full range of magnification.
big cope you don't defend any points or say anything besides "nuh uh"
see:
>heavy >fragile >shit eyebox on 1x >stays on 4x all the time >costs more than elcan for a decent one that will still be more fragile than an elcan
just get an elcan or cog+dot
people actually defend vortex for their warranty or customer service while the elcan is fully apocalypse proof
>heavy >fragile >shit eyebox on 1x >stays on 4x all the time >costs more than elcan for a decent one that will still be more fragile than an elcan
just get an elcan or cog+dot
why do 90% of LPVO builds by people who actually have money include canted sights?
>buy Gucci $2K+ LPVO >Still buy another mount and a T2 for muh passive aiming/close target engagement (though they paid the premium for "true" [1.25x] 1x) >Leave LPVO cranked up to higher magnification
What did Hypebeasts mean by this
why do you keep trying to bump your moronic thread?
elcan is a few grams heavier than the lvpo and lightweight aero mount i replaced, it's probably lighter than the hypeshit milled block mounts these homosexuals are using with overpriced nightforce shit that comes from the same oem as the "poorgay" optics
>buy Gucci $2K+ LPVO >Still buy another mount and a T2 for muh passive aiming/close target engagement (though they paid the premium for "true" [1.25x] 1x) >Leave LPVO cranked up to higher magnification
What did Hypebeasts mean by this
Oh, and I forgot... They'll claim they don't want an Elcan or ACOG because they're "too heavy" despite the Elcan plus ARMS mount being lighter than most bare 1-8 LPVOs... Or muh eyebox, despite the eyebox sucking ass at higher power on LPVOs
Nothing, he just wants to CONSOOOOM NEW PRODUCT. Nevermind that he doesn't ever shoot past 300m at his local benchrest range anyway so he doesn't need that topend magnification anyway
ACOG with a reddot does the same shit, is more durable and gives you everything you need for a carbine. >Tell me more about what you intend on doing with an 8x on a 16inch shooting 5.56
No problem with people having fun. If it fills you with joy do it!
No problem with people making niche rifles for niche shit, if you need it or even just want it do it!
But arguing its the way to go... Anon please.
LPVO's are fine for pistol calibers but any rifle calibers rapes them.
The only one I trust on even a .308 let alone anything bigger is an Elcan and even those aren't perfect, still need to try out some others like the poortex ones but so far every one I have used gets obliterated by rifle rounds.
This is moronic and hasn't been true for years unless you are buying shit. I've had a Vortex Razor 1-6 for almost a decade now and it's never had an issue on my LMT MWS or my SCAR-17, let alone all the 5.56s and one .300 blk it's been on.
This is moronic and hasn't been true for years unless you are buying shit. I've had a Vortex Razor 1-6 for almost a decade now and it's never had an issue on my LMT MWS or my SCAR-17, let alone all the 5.56s and one .300 blk it's been on.
I haven't used Vortex's yet so I can't speak on them but the ones I have used could not survive .308. Since most people are using them on 5.56 or some other small round it's not a big deal.
it's fricking UGLY that's why
ACOG+RMR or similar fixed mag+true 1x works better, looks better, weighs less, is more durable, and doesn't look like a homosexual reddit rifle
LPVOs compromise on too much to do too little and I don't like dogshit eye relief and FOV on a fake 1x
I'd rather have a literal brick of an Elcan with no frills dual mag than an optic made for indecisive morons who grow up to just using it at fixed 6x and a side or top mounted dot at the end of the day
the only decent LPVO is the 1-8 VCOG. It doesn't compromise on reliability and has nice glass at least. People praise vortex, PA or nightforce for their warranties kek
VCOG sucks. Overweight, dumb reticle, not exceptionally durable. Nightforce is praised for being able to live on .50 BMG rifles and machineguns without being damaged and its flawless track record of reliability, ultra clear glass, and extreme durability.
Is the Nova LSx 1-6 as good as my favorite online lesbian's girlfriend says it is or should I save my money for a Vortex Razor? >ELCAN! PRISM! STOP BEING POOR!
I'm not trans btw
The people who talk about LPVOs being bad are shooting giant targets at 15 feet away and b***hing about their split times.
I shoot 2x1 foot targets at 500 meters with a fixed 4x standing offhand, you just need to learn get gud.
What does that have to do with what I said at all?
I shoot 1 inch targets at 100 yards with iron sights
I shoot 0.5" targets at 272 yard with a pistol. Why do you need a fixed 4?
Does anyone actually believe this?
I don’t think they are bad at all I just think they’re pointless, if you’re going to use a variable optic why not go with one that has high power?
Because the ones that have high power don't typically have a true 1x for reflex shooting
1x on lpvos isn't true 1x. Stack a red dot is always the answer.
that will weigh a ton more than an elcan, cost more, and be worse than one anyway
>that will weigh a ton more than an elcan, cost more, and be worse than one anyway
PA PLxC weighs less, costs less, and has twice the magnification.
not once you add that beluga bendy bill mount or badger / reptilia mount (the only reliable ones) PLUS another red dot.
Even the lightest quality LPVO and mount becomes a pig heavier than the elcan
PA PLxC = 17 oz
PA PLx mount = 5.9 oz
RMR = 1.2 oz
total = 24.1 oz.
Elcan = 23.3oz
RMR = 1.2 oz
RMR mount = ~1 oz
total = 25.5 oz
>b-but it has a 1x it doesn't need a red dot
Yes it does.
>bendy bill
>good
What a fricking moron.
why would you need an rmr on an elcan? it has the best night vision capability 1x on the market.
Just get better length of pull. Elcan still lighter
1-10s kind of suck at 10x and are expensive as frick to get correct. For the engagement range of 5.56 1-6 or even 1-4 is fine.
If you're wasting your time with a 1-4x why not just get ACOG+RMR and have a way better 4x, 1x, and have it be lighter?
ACOG + RMR is nice but the elcan just speaks to me and is very sexy for not much more $. Better eye box, eye relief, and FOV too
>better eye box
Nope
>eye relief
yes
>FOV
nope
an argument can be said about having a true 1x and 4x without having to adjust your shoulder or head
what even is FOV when it comes to optics, I've been too afraid to ask...
wouldn't more zoom=less fov? inst that just the tradeoff? how are some sights better than?
It's field of view. Generally measured by either degrees or how many feet are visible horizontally at 100 yards.
>how are some sights better than?
Explaining optics would take too long but based on how the optic is constructed you can wind up with more or less FOV with the same magnification.
>why would you need an rmr on an elcan?
For all the reasons you'd need it on an LPVO or ACOG.
>it has the best night vision capability 1x on the market.
>oh wow I can see the dot so well!
Great now try to see anything through the glass you clown. No, it doesn't have the best capability, it is one step away from entirely unusable with nightvision.
So:
>nightvision
>parallax and eye relief free
>mounted higher so you can actually look through it with night vision
>can instantly switch to red dot by just moving your head slightly, rather than having to take one hand off the weapon to adjust the optic
>you can wind up with more or less FOV with the same magnification
i mean. if your rear aperture is the same size, wouldn't showing more area in that lens just mean being less zoomed in?
No, because obviously it has more than one lens.
If you want to prove it to yourself go look through any LPVO set to 4x, and an ACOG at 4x. Even with a larger eyepiece most LPVOs will have, you will have less FOV.
elcan does not need an rmr the illuminated reticle kicks ass through night vision. Stick to your poormary arms or poortex
yes I'm sure the reticle does kick ass, as I said
>oh wow I can see the dot so well!
yes that's fantastic now try to shoot someone. Oh right you can't see them you dumbfrick because you're looking through multiple panes of glass unsuitable for use with nightvision and bumping your fricking PVS-14 into the optic.
>pvs 14
>elcan unsuitable
way to out yourself as a poor that has most definitely never owned an elcan
Of course I don't have an Elcan, mapleBlack folk can tongue my anus I won't ever buy one. Wasn't worth it when they were $1500 I'm sure as shit not buying one now when an ACOG is lighter, better FOV, better reticle, better glass, and I'm gonna mount a red dot on either one.
>way to out yourself
You've never looked through an Elcan at night.
ngmi poorvs14 owner
>wouldn't more zoom=less fov?
with everything else being equal, yes
>5.56 is not a rifle caliber
>you moron.
Dad, please stop sundowning. I miss my old dad
I don't know, weight, form factor, 1x. Those all seem pretty important.
post a good mpvo
Leupold mk5hd is looks interesting and the primary arms one has a decent reputation. My next optic will either be a mpvo or elcan.
>unironically buying an lpvo
just get an mpvo and a red dot
lpvos fill a niche but people are generally allergic to nuance and make their purchase decisions based on looks and what everyone else is doing.
>lpvos fill a niche
Honestly, they cover most use cases that people are going to encounter, but they don't realize that they serve the same purpose as a red dot at 1x
the reflex shooting 1x on LPVO's is awful even once you pay $2k+ for one. You also don't need 6x or 8x for 556.
Mogged by the elcan for the same price which ends up being much lighter once you include the mount and an offset red dot because the 1x is so bad
>the reflex shooting 1x on LPVO's is awful even once you pay $2k+ for one
Disagree, I own an Eotech Vudu 1-6x and the 1x is sweet for snap shooting. You're right that you technically don't need 6 or 8x for 5.56 in most cases, but it's nice to have in a quality optic that gives you good optically qualify throughout the zoom range
the 1x on the vudu, razor, nightforce, etc. might seem nice compared to a red dot or something but the elcan is a different beast of glass quality and a true 1x.
For 556 you don't need more than 4x.
>the elcan is a different beast of glass quality
I did shoot it once upon a time as a leaf reservist a long time ago, but I don't remember it being any better than the Eotech I own now
I refer to the specter dr 1-4x. It has a better FOV and eyebox and a true 1x with the best glass quality while the LPVO's are more like a 1.25.
Most people use super heavy setups with offset red dots not for night vision but because the 1x is lacking and they prefer leaving their scope on a higher setting and using a red dot
Damn, the 1x is so good people mount rmrs to their shitbox.
1x on an elcan is still good. It will never be as good as a true RD but still good. and most people don't do that you dishonest dipshit
>optically qualify
Please disregard my moronic autocorrect
>lpvos fill a niche but people are generally allergic to nuance and make their purchase decisions based on looks and what everyone else is doing.
This. I have a decent LPVO and hit multiple points for liking one. A 308 BR is a good place for a 1-8 or 1-10 LPVO in my opinion, can in fact make use of the full range of magnification but don't need high power either. But they get overhyped a ton too. Although at this point I think a lot of that is just people using it as a topic to start shit, like stupid hg cartridge homosexualry. Holo/RDS/1x+flipmag or fixed+offset are far better options lots of the time.
Also I think there is room for innovation there. I'd like to see options for electronic zoom control for example with a remote that can go on rail, so that I could rapidly adjust zoom on the fly without ever moving my hands.
>Also who sets their 1-6 at something like 2 or 5?
Me, I use the full range. Plenty of times it's nice to have some zoom but wider FOV vs going all the way to 8x. But that definitely depends on user pref and use.
another thing to consider is the fact that stuff like thermal clip ons which would make the most difference in target identification don't benefit from 6x + magnification. The resolution caps out around 4x
I don't think they're bad per se, just pointless since a lot of people put dots on them making their 1x pointless. Also who sets their 1-6 at something like 2 or 5? At least for me I used mine like an elcan switching between 1 and 6 and never using the intermediate magnifications. MPVOs are more sensible if you want better magnification, dot+mag is better for 1x, and ACOG+RMR does most of an LPVOs job while being lighter and more durable
Anything but 1X sucks since you won't be engaging anyone beyond the distance of your longest hallway. Its your money, larp how you want
LPVOs are uglier than ordinary gun scopes. Not as ugly as red dots, and various ACOG/SUSAT/similar scopes, but still kinda ugly.
If I had a rifle to put a scope on (and for legal reasons I'm not owning a rifle yet, only smoothbore), I'd get me a normal length scope with larger lense diameter.
But if I had to go to war, LPVO would be a great addition
The only downside of an LPVO is the weight. They offer more close range functionality then acogs and 3x+ prisms, and more long range functionality then dots and holographic sights.
LPVOs are jacks of all trades, and masters of none.
morons also keep mounting LPVOs in a way that restricts access to the charging handle, making jam clears alot more complicated than it needs to be.
Good thing that specific Nig Sauer has a side charging handle as well
grubby-fingered gnome detected
If the 1x is so bad you dedicate an entire additional optic to solving that problem, why not just have more magnification on your scope or fixed?
This is the way. Med power optic with an offset red dot
It'll be the new hype to have a 3-9x35 (except for the sake of hypebeast bullshit it'll be 2.5-8x) and a piggyback or offset red dot.
Mark my words.
>literally all two and three gunners use LPVOs
>they’re proven to be faster and more precise
>poorgays with PA prisms who don’t or can’t compete claim their setup is justasgood
lmao, like clockwork
>but LPVOs provide an advantage in wacky shooting galleries that don't represent anything you could even remotely expect to come across in any practical scenario
3 gunners also use shit like pic related.
IMHO lpvo's are just silly. personally i'd rather have a fixed magnification scope somewhere between 6x-10x and a piggybacked micro red dot
thank you for your extremely moronic take
no problem, next time it'll cost you tho
I just don't get it, bro. If you mainly use it on 1x, just use a red dot and magnifier. If you don't use the 1x, get a fixed power optic like an ACOG. Having an eyebox on a 1x is just really gay IMO.
Fixed power works well up to 3-5x. Beyond that it actually gets heavy and the tradeoffs with fov become harsher. Variable optics are just plain better if you're actually making use of 5-10x mag, which you probably will if you're using 30 caliber.
Having it also do 1x too is the more debatable part, nobody (but true morons) doubts the value of MPVOs/HPVOs obviously. But reticle designs have lots of advantages, they're sharper, require no power, lot of people like them better then RDS or holo particularly with astigmatism. There's a market for 1x prisms after all. So if someone would want a prism for 1x and also a bunch of magnification an LPVO is a great fit.
And 1x eyebox isn't infinite but it's plenty, plenty good enough on any decent LPVO that if you can't reliably present and get it every single time it's unironically a skill issue. Nobody who actually trains with their rifle will have the slightest difficulty when it comes to that vs an RDS/holo/1x.
doesn't change the fact the 1x isn't a true 1x and sucks so bad people are mounting offset red dots making their setup 32+ oz.
Elcan spectre is the lightest when including mounts, best battery life, better under nods, best 1x, and 4x which pushes the limit of clip on thermal or nvg resolution. Spectre is also the same price or less than as a decent 1-6 vortex or nightforce + mount.
If you need more magnification move up to MPVO but the spectre is better for a carbine.
>doesn't change the fact the 1x isn't a true 1x
Which doesn't matter, whatever "true" even means.
>and sucks so bad people are mounting offset red dots making their setup 32+ oz.
No most don't.
>bunch of unimportant crap
If you love your spectre that's fine but it wouldn't even be my 3rd choice.
>If you need more magnification move up to MPVO
No. I don't want a 1x prism AND mpvo on my 308 bullpup. I use the full range of magnification.
big cope you don't defend any points or say anything besides "nuh uh"
see:
people actually defend vortex for their warranty or customer service while the elcan is fully apocalypse proof
I don't target shoot so I don't need an optic. they also look weird on a carbine
I like LPVOs because they look cool, end of.
>heavy
>fragile
>shit eyebox on 1x
>stays on 4x all the time
>costs more than elcan for a decent one that will still be more fragile than an elcan
just get an elcan or cog+dot
why do you keep trying to bump your moronic thread?
elcan is a few grams heavier than the lvpo and lightweight aero mount i replaced, it's probably lighter than the hypeshit milled block mounts these homosexuals are using with overpriced nightforce shit that comes from the same oem as the "poorgay" optics
hypeshitters are the worst
why do 90% of LPVO builds by people who actually have money include canted sights?
>buy Gucci $2K+ LPVO
>Still buy another mount and a T2 for muh passive aiming/close target engagement (though they paid the premium for "true" [1.25x] 1x)
>Leave LPVO cranked up to higher magnification
What did Hypebeasts mean by this
Oh, and I forgot... They'll claim they don't want an Elcan or ACOG because they're "too heavy" despite the Elcan plus ARMS mount being lighter than most bare 1-8 LPVOs... Or muh eyebox, despite the eyebox sucking ass at higher power on LPVOs
I think theyre great but people will crank up the mag on a target thats only 200yds away
some folks don't have great eyes
>some schizo suddenly trying to push the obsolete elcan meme they've never touched again in 2023
nice actually kinda nostalgic
elcan is better than LPVO in every way
what's wrong with elcan?
Nothing, he just wants to CONSOOOOM NEW PRODUCT. Nevermind that he doesn't ever shoot past 300m at his local benchrest range anyway so he doesn't need that topend magnification anyway
ACOG with a reddot does the same shit, is more durable and gives you everything you need for a carbine.
>Tell me more about what you intend on doing with an 8x on a 16inch shooting 5.56
No problem with people having fun. If it fills you with joy do it!
No problem with people making niche rifles for niche shit, if you need it or even just want it do it!
But arguing its the way to go... Anon please.
>Yet another LPVO owner trying to justify his shit optic purchase to /k/
It's all so tiresome.
LPVO's are fine for pistol calibers but any rifle calibers rapes them.
The only one I trust on even a .308 let alone anything bigger is an Elcan and even those aren't perfect, still need to try out some others like the poortex ones but so far every one I have used gets obliterated by rifle rounds.
This is moronic and hasn't been true for years unless you are buying shit. I've had a Vortex Razor 1-6 for almost a decade now and it's never had an issue on my LMT MWS or my SCAR-17, let alone all the 5.56s and one .300 blk it's been on.
you can rule out his opinion right away when you know almost all guns firing pistol calibers recoil more than an AR-15 anyway.
5.56 is not a rifle caliber you moron.
I haven't used Vortex's yet so I can't speak on them but the ones I have used could not survive .308. Since most people are using them on 5.56 or some other small round it's not a big deal.
Elcansisters what the heck?
it's fricking UGLY that's why
ACOG+RMR or similar fixed mag+true 1x works better, looks better, weighs less, is more durable, and doesn't look like a homosexual reddit rifle
LPVOs compromise on too much to do too little and I don't like dogshit eye relief and FOV on a fake 1x
I'd rather have a literal brick of an Elcan with no frills dual mag than an optic made for indecisive morons who grow up to just using it at fixed 6x and a side or top mounted dot at the end of the day
the only decent LPVO is the 1-8 VCOG. It doesn't compromise on reliability and has nice glass at least. People praise vortex, PA or nightforce for their warranties kek
VCOG sucks. Overweight, dumb reticle, not exceptionally durable. Nightforce is praised for being able to live on .50 BMG rifles and machineguns without being damaged and its flawless track record of reliability, ultra clear glass, and extreme durability.
still has the LPVO issue of a shitty fake 1x so nerds need a heavier mount and red dot kek
>mpvo
isn't this just a generic deer scope?
I'm sold on lpvo's, but they aren't perfect.
To the people that keep LPVOs at maximum magnification and buy a red dot for 1X
Why don't you just magnify the red dot?
mythical figments of your imagination can't reply back to you on the internet anon
Is the Nova LSx 1-6 as good as my favorite online lesbian's girlfriend says it is or should I save my money for a Vortex Razor?
>ELCAN! PRISM! STOP BEING POOR!
I'm not trans btw
Gokubro btw.
The problem with MPVOs is they're not meta so there isn't a lot of options and there's something lacking with nearly all of those.