Loyal Wingman (CCA) picks are in

The Air Force has picked Anduril and General Atomics to continue developing their autonomous Collaborative Combat Aircraft concepts over designs offered by Boeing, Lockheed Martin, and Northrop Grumman, the service announced on April 24. In a non-traditional move, the companies that were not picked will still be able to compete to produce the resulting aircraft.

https://airandspaceforces.com/cca-contract-winners-to-be-announced-imminently
https://www.af.mil/news/article/3754980

Previously
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/60405100

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    question:

    why are piloted craft even necessary anymore?

    couldnt you just make an entirely remote piloted fighter/bomber/multirole jet?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >couldnt you just make an entirely remote piloted fighter/bomber/multirole jet?
      yes https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/61377853

      >why are piloted craft even necessary anymore?
      cost
      ew https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/61396626
      need for further testing https://youtu.be/C8yjtaZfNCw

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, but only insofar as providing local control for autonomous aircraft. Long range comms have a certain degree of latency and are more liable to get jammed. A pilot in NGAD flying behind the lines but still within line-of-sight of the drones they're commanding will be able to more rapidly react to a changing battlefield environment. Also, with the low latency allowing for a human pilot be the trigger puller, there's less ethical objections to the concept.

      https://i.imgur.com/wgXRrcM.jpeg

      The Air Force has picked Anduril and General Atomics to continue developing their autonomous Collaborative Combat Aircraft concepts over designs offered by Boeing, Lockheed Martin, and Northrop Grumman, the service announced on April 24. In a non-traditional move, the companies that were not picked will still be able to compete to produce the resulting aircraft.

      https://airandspaceforces.com/cca-contract-winners-to-be-announced-imminently
      https://www.af.mil/news/article/3754980

      Previously
      https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/60405100

      I'm guessing this is for OBSS, I presume they're talking about Fury and XQ-67 here. It'll be interesting to see what comes of this, offloading your RF emissions to expendable drones with potentially far cheaper (though proportionally less capable) sensors that you can risk pushing closer to the enemy would allow for a lot of interesting tactics, both for air-to-air and air-to-ground. I wonder when we'll see the combat component this.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It also allows the NGAD aircraft to carry a large computer (since it has a lot more power to spare from its larger engine) to offload processing from the CCAs.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >why are piloted craft even necessary anymore?

      AI isn't good enough that we can trust it. We only trust it for short quick missions that are very simple, like cruise missiles.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >AI isn't good enough that we can trust it

        i dont mean entrusting it to AI, i mean just eliminating the pilots physical need to be in the plane

        sure we have sensors and imaging systems now that are so advanced that actually being in the jet makes no difference to playing it like a video game on a VR screen

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          There's no eliminating physics.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          latency and jamming, if you're flying from the other side of the planet in a shed in Montana you're looking at 200ms+ ping. Go play Warthunder with 300 ping to see the disadvantage that might pose.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      latency and jamming, if you're flying from the other side of the planet in a shed in Montana you're looking at 200ms+ ping. Go play Warthunder with 300 ping to see the disadvantage that might pose.

      I want to see AWACS/stealthy mothership planes hosting 4-8 pilots, each commanding fighter drones that can pull constant 15G turns

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the f35 could easily be upgraded to be used as a drone or AI aircraft. It was designed specifically for it's computers to be upgraded. I wouldn't doubt that it can be flown as a drone or as AI already.

      The NGAD will probably be drone or AI capable as well.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Honestly shocked Lockheed and Northrup are out. Boeing I get. I've never even heard on anduril but it's nice to see new aircraft makers.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Hopefully the non-binding "selection" of the VR dweeb is more of a gambit to light a fire under lockmart and northrop's asses than a real decision. They are bringing so much #techculture cancer to weapons development.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        could also allow them to take on a portion of the work and work together with one of the two existing contract winners.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://www.anduril.com/

      They have the right ideas, but they also have political connects and sketchily clean ads, so I'm not too confident in the hardware side of their stuff.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >founders and investors associated with SpaceX
        elon better not frick with my CCA.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Isn't that the company that the oculus rift guy made?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yes, he was making VR headsets in like 2009/10.

          Now he'll be making drone wingmen

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      General Atomics isn't new. They make Predator/Reaper/Grey Eagle drones.
      The USAF picked the same people that have been making their drones for the last 25 years.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Anduril, the Flame of the West
    based company name

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the founder is the dude who made the oculus rift right?
      He got a fat check for his company from the zuck and fricked off to enter the arms industry.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        he got fired for being a right winger

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Senator Ted Cruz asked Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg "Why was Palmer Luckey fired?". Zuckerberg refused to get into the "specific personnel matter", saying only that "it was not because of a political view"
          you're making shit up because you want it to fit your narrative.

          They DID try to pressure him to publicly endorse Gary Johnson (basically just to quash the media stories about him being a MAGA trumper which at the time was causing some developers to not wish to work with Occulus) which was against California law. But he wasn't fired because he didn't and he wasn't fired for supporting donald trump.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            i think you actually believe this, which is pretty funny

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The moron left on his own because he got offended that they tried to pressure him for PR reasons.

              That's not the same thing as being fired for political views. He's just autistic and noped out.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >my source: mark zuckerberg said so

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                this is funny because your source is literally nothing.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                my source is facebook giving him $100m to avoid a wrongful termination suit https://archive.is/osoxB

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No, they gave him $100M for pressuring him to vote for johnson, which is illegal.

                He wasn't fired.
                Again, you're just making shit up to fit your own narrative.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >pressuring him to vote for johnson
                Sorry, pressuring him to SAY he'd vote for johnson.
                They weren't actually trying to get him to change his vote, as they didn't actually care who he voted for. Because again, it was a PR move.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >pressuring him to vote for johnson
                Sorry, pressuring him to SAY he'd vote for johnson.
                They weren't actually trying to get him to change his vote, as they didn't actually care who he voted for. Because again, it was a PR move.

                >He wasn't fired.
                if you think the wall street journal's lying because zuckerberg said so then take it up with them.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >they trusted me, dumbfricks

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So with this getting closer how long till we see NGAD?
    It took 9 years for the F-35 to go from first flight to being fielded so being fielded in 30's for NGAD means it should be somewhat soon right?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      We know they had flying demonstrators for NGAD, but actual first flight probably isn't for another 4-5 years

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        what's the difference between tech demonstrator and prototype? Wiki says at least 3 prototypes have flown as of last year

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          hmmm i'm actually a little confused looking at GCAP, apparently they are planning on having a demonstrator by 2027 with active service by 2035, would i be wrong to assume that's not a Tech Demo like what NGAD flew in 2020 and is also farther along than the prototypes NGAD had flying last year? Or is GCAP just hopelessly optimistic on going from Tech Demo to active service in 8~ years

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The NGAD tech demonstrators/prototypes were from different companies with different designs to let the airforce evaluate which design they want to mature into a final aircraft. The GCAP tech demonstrator is a joint design from all 3 nations with an already agreed upon design goal/path.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Boeing out even though they have the MQ-25 and MQ-28? sad

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There's apparently going to be 2 different drone programs for NGAD, part 1 is more focused on just putting more weapons in the air, part 2 is going to be more focused on extra capabilities such as stealth

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Too small and without weapons. Not worth it.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Multiply CAD file by 1.8x

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Anduril
    are they the future next big defense contractor

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's what they would have you believe. They'll likely get bought out once they become enough of an annoyance to the primes.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >They'll likely get bought out once they become enough of an annoyance to the primes.
        Meme acquisition by SpaceX to expand their defense unit, if Musk is still in control there when Anduril goes public.
        >Starships launching fleets of transorbital hypersonic drones

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          launching fleets of transorbital hypersonic drones
          got hard reading this

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Meme acquisition by SpaceX to expand their defense unit, if Musk is still in control there when Anduril goes public.
          That would be a realistic outcome if Musk weren't such a sperg.
          As it is, even for memes, he can't help fricking shit up by getting clever about pump&dumps and trying to Trump his way out of paying bills. I sort of think someone as easily offended as the Anduril guy would end up noping out of a Musk deal once some Musk shenanigans ensued.
          And he probably has the business sense to write in some time-wasting penalty clause to the acquisition agreement so that he gets paid for the trouble of rejecting a buy-out that gets fricked up.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    my body is ready

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    COFFIN system when?

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