LOL the HIMARS is widely regarded as a great rocket artillery system, the BM-30 smerch however is not. LOL
LOL the HIMARS is widely regarded as a great rocket artillery system, the BM-30 smerch however is not. LOL
LOL the HIMARS is widely regarded as a great rocket artillery system, the BM-30 smerch however is not. LOL
Having inferior rocket artillery is a huge embarrassment for Russia. They used to be the kinds of artillery, now they don’t even have huge Soviet stockpiles to boast about
Russia makes bigger explosions
You need a bigger explosion when you can’t hit close to what your aiming at
That is a Russian depo tho
That's the joke.
That's the point, homosexual
It would be if it had guided rockets that dont home in on hospitals
Regarded by whom? Most stats (warhead size, # of rockets, range of guided rockets) are in favor of the BM-30. It would be more accurate to compare the HIMARS to the BM-22
On paper stats don’t matter when the stats don’t match real life. When you can’t hit a point target from 30km away that’s a problem. Meanwhile the HIMARS gets first round on target between 20–135km. There’s a reason GMLRS is the talk of the town and the smerch isn’t
The Smerch dod well in trials and you won’t hear much about Russian Smerchs being used in Ukraine because it makes Ukraine look weak. All I have is
Which unfortunately is vague (it’s unclear if the rocket is guided or unguided, or at what range it was used) but nonetheless shows that the system does indeed work
It uses a box because the rockets are smaller and there are only 6 of them. The HIMARS is largely unsuitable for rocket barrages.
OR maybe it's because like all of Russia's other 'PGM's, the Russian notion of 'precision' means 'within 100m on a good day.'
>you won't hear it because it makes Ukraine look weak
If we were to believe Ukraine was too weak to contain the Russian menace, you know what we would do?
Send more weapons, and then even more, and if's not enough send our armies, and we wouldn't stop until Russia was no longer a threat to us.
Why are you weirdos so incapable of understanding the western mindset?
Ukraine is currently losing. They don't have the ability to re-capture any lost territory (unless Russia leaves them first). In spite of that, arms deliveries have actually slowed down. Ukraine is desperately asking for lots more heavy weapons. HUNDREDS more systems like HIMARS. But, the response has only been to re-affirm Western support, but the material aid has slowed down with no sign of speeding up. Lend-Lease ensures Biden has the power to send whatever he wants with very few exceptions. 40 billion has been earmarked on top of all the other aid packages. And yet, where is it?
>but the material aid has slowed down
>Source: it was revealed to me in a vodka-induced vision
Do you not bother reading the news?
The news I read said the US just announced 4 more HIMARS for Ukraine, bringing the total to 12, as well as 1,000 rounds of Excalibur for their M777s.
>comerade the pravda said we winning!
>do you not read pravda?
The Ukrainian military high command says that 90+% of requests for systems have been fulfilled. The people calling for "hundreds of systems" are political commentators that have jack shit to say about the process. It's impressive that you fell victim to Russian AND Ukrainian propaganda lmao
The vast majority of the western public wants to see Russia glassed. That's what happens when 4k footage of barbaric russian war crimes is broadcast on every news channel
I don't understand how people are so naive when it comes to politics. If a government department wants 5 billion they request 20 and haggle the government up to 4. If a nation needs 100, they ask for 1000 and get 100. If they only ask for 100 they get 10.
That's how all government departments work. Even private companies.
That's why, when Biden asked for $36 billion in aid for Ukraine, Congress sent him a bill for $40 billion.
(You) Qonspiratard cultists have a very Dunning-Kruger grasp of the fantasy world in your heads that passes for "reality" in your incoherent screeds.
>Russians subhuman because they like committing war crimes
>The vast majority of westerners want to commit war crimes
>Westoids aren’t subhumans though
By definition, it's impossible to commit war crimes against Russians. Mass murdering Russians is no genocide. It's pesticide.
You're the only one talking about genociding people here, anon.
If Russians are pests then why do they make you seethe so much?
because that's what pests to?
German women had children after they opened their legs for BRC, so Russians must be people
>They don't have the ability to re-capture any lost territory (unless Russia leaves them first).
so i guess Russia did not capture Severodonetsk or Lysychanks either because Ukrainians left the territories first?
are you complete moron jesus christ
Listen here, glowBlack person. Most Westerners, whether they are American, German, or French, do not really care about Ukraine. France has openly suggested that Ukraine make concessions to Russia. German opinion is divided on whether Ukraine should be supported or urged to surrender. Americans are opposed to the government sending $40B to Ukraine when gas prices are at an all-time high. The Western mindset is to not care about Ukraine
Except for everyone giving a shit about Russia invading a sovereign nation to rape/pillage/genocide/enslave. Russian oil doesn't affect gas prices nearly as much as Biden shitting all over domestic production does. Stop being moronic and/or stop thinking everyone else is moronic.
People don’t care that much about whatever Russia does in Ukraine. Is feeling good about “doing the right thing” worth paying $170 per taxpayer in military aid so that we can later pay $1700 per taxpayer (assuming the USA spends $400B) to rebuild Ukraine? Most Americans will say no.
>rape/pillage/genocide/enslave
Lay off the koolaid, holy shit
Given that we've promised a relative drop in the bucket relative to our annual military budget so far, and we have photo/video evidence of Russians engaging in rape, looting, conduct attacks against civilian population centers every single day, it's hardly koolaid.
>rape
I’ve seen 1 video and the guy was promptly punished
>looting
Seems greatly overblown to me, and doesn’t fit any of the prior points anyway
>Attacking civilians
Debunked every time
>Russians attacked a mall!
>wait we were using that mall to store military vehucles
>Russians ran over a car in an AA tank!
>nvm that was our AA tank
>Russians blew up a school!
>Wait, school’s cancelled and schools are used as military bases now
>Russia committed the “Bucha Massacre”!
>Wait we have no evidence because it didn’t happen
Ad infinitum
>Didn't happen because RT said so!
Lol kys. I bet you do it for free
https://www.ohchr.org/en/news/2022/07/ukraine-civilian-casualty-update-4-july-2022
civilians
>Debunked every time
No strong evidence that these vehicles were Russian
Every vehicle in the pic could potentially be used by Russia or by Ukraine, especially given how much captured vehicles are used
GlowBlack folk need to step up their game
You can literally see the Z on it. In other news what third-world shitheap do you hail from? Honestly I have more respect for the fact you are just trying to scrape by taking russian money.
Circle the Z then. I watched the video several times when it first came out and never saw a Z, or a V or O for that matter
Perhaps you need to wipe the Russian cum out of your eyes then. Still didn't answer me, what shithole do you hail from? Please don't tell me you're a westerner, that's just tragic.
Sergei, at least understand the word "debunked" before you use it.
Also: KYS
>the absolute state of vatnik shills
are they conscripting the best of you to go ukraine now and it's only the truly debilitated ones who are left manning the shill mills?
>Debunked every time
thanks for reminding everyone yet again what subhuman nation you are
To be fair, AzovBlack folk were also irrefutably looting and using civilians as hostages. This is hardly a clean war but the international committee has a boner for condemning Russia.
mucho obligato
many too large videos on telespam incel slobber Z
civilians
>Debunked every time
How do sleep at night, don't you have shred of human decency left?
They live in a world where truth has no inherent value. They justify their malice by thinking everyone else is just as malicious and deserves to be treated maliciously for that.
I am much do agree with you. As normal American Jim from Federal Autonomous Republic of Texas, by name of Pedro Washington I think my many taxed dollars must be put towards basketball fields and American Football courts not wasted in doing dangerous provocation against mighty Russian bear. With President Joseph Brandon helping Ukraine Nazis I cannot even afford kerosene to refuel my Ford Motor Company Picked Up Truck.
Much obliged
What is the purpose of a rocket barage? Wasting 3/4 of your expended munitions for zero effect. Sure it's a great weapon against civilians and conscripts, but once you slav monkeys figure out that you have to bring the munitions with you you will start to understand that kills are more valuable. The west has spent 70 years figure out how to slaughter the communist wave of massed conscripts and bomblets always make more sense than flinging huge barages that won't injure anyone.
wow, even their cluster munition itself is inaccurate
Arma
>Regarded by whom?
By performance
The Smerch has performed well on both sides of the current war, and in other wars as well.
Performed well =/= earned legendary status from exceeding anyone’s expectations like the GMLRS. You lost
Legendary like the ghost of kiev and the martyrs of snake island kek
50% chance that in 2 months Ukraine says “actually the HIMARS isn’t that good, but we needed a wunderwaffe story to raise morale”
Who’s flag is flying over snake island again? Remind me pls
The flag that isn’t flying over Lysychansk
16 ammo dumps in less then two weeks (and counting!)
>16 ammo dumps in less then two weeks (and counting!)
Um, 9 last night (in one small area, not counting all of East Ukraine), 12 yesterday, about 15 in the 72 hours previous to that. We're way above 30 as of right now, and given the probability that not all have been reported it could be over 40 in the last 5 days. Cold be kissing up on 50.
Several of these have been huge depots. One of the ones last night looks like over a kiloton of explosives detonated at one point, and maybe twice(?) that over the course of several hours. That depot is still burning and exploding right now.
So, keep in mind it's not just the number of depots. Several of these have been huge, and included significant armor, troops, and fuel. One of these about three days ago was an entire base, including barracks, decommissioning an airfield, trucks, fuel, aircraft.
>The Smerch has performed well on both sides of the current war,
Source?
my ass
>BM30 requires entire rocket battery to have a good chance to hit a ammo dump.
>HIMARS one truck one rocket to do the same thing.
Not any more. After the last few days everyone is going to drop the BM-30 the first chance they get for a guided rocked system like HIMARS.
BM-30 has many guided munitions
They don’t have GMLRS so no one cares. Sorry not good enough
they do actually
GMLRS is a trademarked name. GMLRS is much more accurate and widely produced than Russian guided rockets. Deal with it
The BM-30 has both guided munitions and cluster munitions (each rocket covers a massive area), so one truck one rocket still works
Can you post footage of smerch doing this?:
Not the Russian Smerch, but the chinese "Smerch"
That’s a controlled test. What a fricking moron
What's the difference between inputting the GPS coordinates to the GMLRS shell to hit static targets in a goat herding country vs inputting the GPS coordinatos to the GMLRS shell to hit static targets in a military exercise in chinkland?
Mostly US.mil gps access. Also the chink video is just a cutscene of firing and then an explosion.
The difference is that in a controlled test you get basically unlimited tries and only show the good hits to the brass and the media.
OR
You can do a couple of test shots and see where they land and just put the target there for the "real" test.
OR
You can film the launch sequence and just cut it together with some explosives going off in whatever you're pretending to shoot at.
big explisions
>that precision
>Needs an expensive guided munition in order to hit a static building
Too bad that the ukranians fled Lysychansk and mised the chance of seeing a Meteorit inthe sky
>can you hit with precision?
>no
>b-b-but we don't need to! precision doesn't matter!
actually have a nice day vatnik scum
Cope
That is such a cool weapon. I would be terrified of it.
Wait why was there a cut in between the missile landing and the explosion? Was it delayed?
It's not a missile but a rope of plastic explosives attached at the end of a rocket for clearing mines, but has been used to demolish buildings in Syria for some time now and now used in Ukraine
>Needs an expensive guided munition in order to hit a static building
>Too bad that the
It helps in reducing civilian casualties unlike you homosexuals repurposing naval missiles to hit malls.
>missiles to hit malls.
*reloads one tube at a time requiring the use of a specialized truck, straining an already weak logistics train*
Okay and? How does HIMARS reload? Pray to the troony gods the the tubes just refill themselves?
self-loading crane using a box that can be placed on the ground by general utility vehicles or even prepositioned in an area before the HIMARS arrives
any 2 1/2 ton truck with a crane or forklift nearby is a HIMARS reloading vehicle
Holy shit. Now this is impressive. The US mind for logistics never ceases to amaze
note how that's a 4x4 FMTV truck carrying TWO PODS versus the 8x8 truck needed to load the smerch
meanwhile a single US 8x8 truck can carry 4 entire reloads totaling 25 rockets, twice that of the smerch 9T234-2 reloading vehicle
It reminds me the Bandkanonen 1A crane.
Beautiful beast.
>muh trannies
STFU you projecting russian troons
Pay attention to videos of Russian / Soviet MLRS systems firing. Notice how they almost always bounce around? That kills accuracy. Also, the generally poor quality of Russia's industrial base adds to this problem (ie, poor tolerances, inferior materials, poor consistency, etc). That's why their MLRS do wild scattershots instead of landing in a well-defined, small area.
There's probably not a large difference between reloading a M270 and Smerch. The HIMARS has only one pod so it's not at all comparable to the Smerch. The M270 is a better comparison.
M270 is still far superior at reloading than smerch
part of the reason probably is because vatniks use their rocket artillery to tear down kindergartens and hospitals
They just aren’t accurate enough yet for point targets.
ukrainians seems to us them quite accurately
Source? I’ve only seen confirmed HIMARS strikes
Also, the direct comparison with HIMARS is the Tornado. I don't know if those have appeared in Ukraine though.
>the direct comparison with HIMARS is the Tornado. I don't know if those have appeared in Ukraine though
6 122mm 2B17 Tornado-G: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, captured) (6, captured)
>post smug webm
>get the vehicle wrong
>techie Kamaz will never dig trenches again...
oh no no no
i see a Z
Vatniks are blind
i dont see the barrel. That's not the same thing as pic
So that's obviously not what the vatniks are claiming, but what the frick is it? It looks like it's articulated, with something raised in the back.
I am pretty sure a smerch launched these sensor fused munitions.
Not impressive at all
looks like the sensors were all fused together and didn't fricking work
lmao
Wow that's really unimpressive. 1 lucky hit.
that's DPICM cluster munitions, not sensor fuzed.
>that's DPICM cluster munitions, not sensor fuzed.
No look closely, they explode in the air and you can see the EFP impact the ground.
that is not how those work, look up the BONUS or DM702, they fire from much much higher altitude.
They were able to hit Retroville dead center.
Three more ammo dumps this night.
My hunger grows!
Can Russia sustain their artillery offensives without building ammo dumps? Is it logistically possible to sustain a high rate of artillery without large intermediate ammo storages?
I hope the answer is no.
Also how close are they to running out of ammo reserves and need to manufacture new rounds?
america lost to goat herders in afghanistan lol
Sounds really embarassing, surely glorious Russia would never do the same in half the time, taking 5 times more casualities and without distraction of other wars at the same time
and Russia didn't?
>vatnik making fun of anyone in Afghanistan
widely in western media
so irrelevant
God I actually would respect Russians so much more if they owned up to their shit. "Yeah we kill civs." "Yeah we shot down a commercial airplane because we thought it was a Ukranian fighter plane" "Yeah we shot an opera."
Own up to it, you cretins
Like how they owned up just murking civilians left and right in the First Chechen War because they were fed up with the resistance? That shit ended Yelstin's run as president.
According to sources, Russia only has 1 box of ammo left after all the others were destroyed by HIMARS.
>my guns are better than your guns
most of these twitter wars are just big corpo's propaganda
>Ukraine gets javelin
Suddenly every tank kill is a javelin
>Ukraine gets starstreak
Suddenly every aircraft kill is starstreak
>Ukraine gets himars
Suddenly every explosion is himars
Rings a bell? If not youre sub 10iq
Shills, anon. The answer is always shills.
HIMARS is unironically a big deal for this war.
It is worth noting that a M31A1 missile is half the price of a Javelin missile. The production line is still very active. Inventory is large. We have sent 7k Javelins to ukies. Duplicating that number for M31A1 might be enough to win the war outright.
Honestly the peace time production rate is mostly just supposed to be enough to pay to keep the factory floor space reserved and machinery operational and workers hired incase they need to scale up.
Normally it just ran 1/3 manning 40 hours a week.
A good amount of military contract bloat is more upkeep to keep them employed and shit on standby
You are aware these are worse than smerch/tornadoes?
that’s not the general consensus. HIMARS is seeing huge successes while smerch and tornado aren’t seeing any success. People notice
isn't the smerch just a glorified grad?
how are they even comparable to himars?
nah, the Smerch has guided munitions too but Russia simply does not have a lot of PGMs and they have already deployed a massive part of their total stock pre war. the HIMARS has a few major advantages logistically though. these are decades apart in ag however.
GMLRS seems to be much better
Pretty much. GLONASS is dogshit even when it isn't getting jammed out by their own EW sets. HIMARS can land itself on a tack every time, can't be jammed by a wayward sneeze, and the GMLRS rockets are standard. No comparison.