Is that all you got? I'm not even making shit up here. Difficulty loading the Hellcat mags 13 and 15 round magazines is one of the first things you will notice about the hellcat if you have ever shoot more than 50 rounds at the range with one.
Literally read any review of the gun, or better yet try shooting one yourself.
No because I don't personally own a Hellcat. I've just shot a friend's plenty. I don't know why I'm surprised that /k/ wants to pretend that loading double stack subcompact pistol magazines makes them tough guys.
I have another subcompact with similar magazine capacity and the springs are nowhere near as tight. You homosexuals choose the stupidest hills to die on. The spring tension in the magazines is like the only thing about the hellcat people even complain about. If it weren't an issue, you wouldn't even suggest a loading tool.
save your baby finger, buy a magloader
it can be some stupidly overpriced piece of plastic
or a 3d printed piece of plastic off Amazon for $5
or or you can be a poorgay and use an ink pen to push down the follower
You're asking for reliability issues. They shortened the follower to cram that extra round in. The spring is overcompressed. Glocks do the same thing to cram extra rounds into their fat plastic coated magazines. This is why Glocks and these micro compacts have such reliability issues. Trying to jam too much in too small a space.
I'd still rather take the glock tbh. Now if HS Produkt dropped Springfield and their vomit inducing design decisions and brought a G43 sized HS 2000 to the States, then I would buy it.
>includes paid promotion
Dude, find an independent owner doing that test. Thats like getting Jerry Miculek to do an honest Smith and Wesson review. I love both of them, but Smith is damn sure not gonna send jerry a bad or weak gun. I have personal experience with a Hellshit...do you??
Hellcats and P365s are just as reliable as G43s. You'd have to be a moronic homosexual to buy a G43. Not even a single glockgay in this thread is a stupid enough moron or big enough homosexual to actually buy a G43.
why would anti-gun liberals make a better gun than glock? does that make glock super anti-gun liberals?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>why would anti-gun liberals make a better gun than glock?
They didn't. They imported a better Glock from Croatia and then ruined it because Springfield can't do anything right.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Then why is the Hellcat objectively better than the lazy G43? Did Glock just halfass it because they know you glockgays would buy any shit they make?
2 years ago
Anonymous
i will only buy glock stuff because the grip angle is different so i have to to keep it consistent
2 years ago
Anonymous
Jesus. Have some self-confidence. They broke you.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Not a bad choice. The glock grip angle is superior for recoil control. There's no real reason to downgrade to a straight up and down grip and then train yourself wrong on that.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Then why is the Hellcat objectively better than the lazy G43?
You mean having more rounds? It has more rounds because the Sig P365 came out and they just copied that. I still wouldn't trust the reliability of either of those guns.
2 years ago
Anonymous
6 rounds. 6 fricking rounds.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Typically it's carried 6+1. Which is 1 more round than a .38 revolver and it's shooting a more potent cartridge. I mean 10 or 11 isn't really shit either. If I wanted more I'd just skip them and grab a G43x and 15 round mags. Way nicer to shoot than a Hellcat too.
2 years ago
Anonymous
so you agree the G43 is garbage then
2 years ago
Anonymous
No it still has a place for deep concealment.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Why would you bother when you could get the same reliability with more rounds in a more concealable package:
https://i.imgur.com/1uvcnKx.png
hahaha look how much bigger the glock is too
2 years ago
Anonymous
>the same reliability
I don't take Leviathan Tribe shills at their word, sorry. >with more rounds in a more concealable package
I don't like the idea of giving up muzzle velocity The difference between a 9mm round fired from a G43 and one fired from a Hellcat is like the difference between +P and standard 9mm.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>muh muhzzle velocity
homosexual this is micro-compacts frick off with your bullshit
2 years ago
Anonymous
the glock has a 3.3 inch barrel and the springfield has a 3 inch barrel, both are useless past 15 meters
2 years ago
Anonymous
Dude at least with my Chief's Special, I have a steel beat stick to pistol whip with when I run out
2 years ago
Anonymous
Mine is 8+1 with grip extension. No shitty Glock angle either
T. P9ss carrier
2 years ago
Anonymous
Glock is such a staple that their brand identity has become a cage. They've outsourced all innovation to the aftermarket, only having tiny incremental improvements.
They also know that people will buy them on cop mystique alone or recognizability.
2 years ago
Anonymous
That's why Glock is the official gun of Antifa.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Glock is cop gun >Antifas use glocks
Both are paid for to protect government VIPs and entities while both crash, burn and rob honest citizens.
2 years ago
Anonymous
yea theyre they toyota of firearms and toyota is the king of reliability
>literally why, there's not one reason to take the glock other than being a fricking brand gay
Because they make a subcompact 10mm? I'll take the extra size for that alone.
Yea but the Springshit HellShit is a jammomatic piece of Black person shit. Only people i know that carry a Hellshit have never ran more than 2 boxes of shells through the thing.
Glocks would still sell like hotcakes if they charged a reasonable price, especially on older gen models.
The design has been largely unchanged for decades and they make billions of them, Glocks SHOULD cost around 300-400 for what they're worth, yet people still pay 700-900 for a gen 5 17 or 19 no questions asked.
>Glocks SHOULD cost around 300-400 for what they're worth
Good thing that's what they actually cost for a new one. >yet people still pay 700-900 for a gen 5 17 or 19 no questions asked
Where? In fricking
Japan?
i live in TN and my LGS is selling gen 5 17's for 799
I have family in West/Central TN, and i grew up there. Hell my dad bought a Gen 5 17 a year ago for around 550. You must be in Franklin or Knoxville getting israeliteed that hard holy shit man.
>Glocks SHOULD cost around 300-400 for what they're worth
Good thing that's what they actually cost for a new one. >yet people still pay 700-900 for a gen 5 17 or 19 no questions asked
Where? In fricking
Japan?
Glock will NEVER be competitive in the micro compact market segment until they ditch their idiotic polymer mags. The company is run by the most stubborn knuckleheads in the industry.
Long term consistency is worth more to the Glock company than keeping up with every new thing. If they were to frick up as hard as Sig with a new design it would kill the image of the company. You buy a Glock because you know it’s going to work.
That was a really dumb decision on their part, never should have even tried to frick around with a Glock branded .22. Rimfire is just inherently unreliable and mixing that with the Glock look isn’t good.
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By such a negligible amount that anyone that isn't a baiting subhuman moron like you would actually give a shit. The glock even has a slightly longer barrel if you want to nitpick by tenths of inches.
Im a Glock guy and i dont really see the point of the 43. I have a 43x, its just a little bigger and super accurate, super concealable, even with +p loads the recoil is manageable if you're not a cat owner. The 43 is like the 29 to me, hard to control, grip is too short, an extra half an inch wouldve made all the difference
Probably because they like their fat, polymer-encased magazines. Shield arms does make a 9 round magazine for it, which is a bit better. They are definitely behind the curve on the microcompact market.
So basically it's between Glock 43 or 43x, Sig P365X or XL, Springfield Hellcat, and S&W Shield+. How do you figure this out when you have no religion about anything and just seek for a good product ? 90% of these threads are just basic fights between raging shills godamit.
43x strikes the best balance of everything. 10+1 for sures versus the Springshit 37882920+1 and it jams every other mag. More than 2 failures in a thousand rounds isnt acceptable for staking my life. But then again i actually use and carry my guns unlike most Springshit owners who only go to a sanitized ~~*range*~~ after hitting the barcade
i carry a ruger lcp and ec9 because of how small they are
i have the build of a heroin addict though, anything that is thicker than an iphone sticks out on me
Yea glock's own demise was making everything polymer.
Yeah
Austrians haven't mastered foldable dimension tech yet.
Loading a Hellcat magazine to full capacity is extremely painful
Lmao you are genuinely a pussy
>Sharing common complaint levelled against compact double stacks pistol makes me a pussy
Post sausage fingers fatty
Weak little b***h. Low t gay.
Is that all you got? I'm not even making shit up here. Difficulty loading the Hellcat mags 13 and 15 round magazines is one of the first things you will notice about the hellcat if you have ever shoot more than 50 rounds at the range with one.
Literally read any review of the gun, or better yet try shooting one yourself.
For you.
It's a big magazine.
If I take the safety off will you die?
Just buy or 3d print a handloader you big baby
No because I don't personally own a Hellcat. I've just shot a friend's plenty. I don't know why I'm surprised that /k/ wants to pretend that loading double stack subcompact pistol magazines makes them tough guys.
I have another subcompact with similar magazine capacity and the springs are nowhere near as tight. You homosexuals choose the stupidest hills to die on. The spring tension in the magazines is like the only thing about the hellcat people even complain about. If it weren't an issue, you wouldn't even suggest a loading tool.
You are a pussy
>he doesn't own a magula for every magazine he has.
I bet you type on a Model M with stiffer springs too.
We don't care because it's literally not an issue
Use a fricking loader
People have this '''complaint''' about the Shield Plus too
maglula you dumb baby
>Bro, Gun B has a higher number than Gun A, I have to get Gun B now.
I hate the post-2012 gun community.
Kopaka was always the autist of the crew.
save your baby finger, buy a magloader
it can be some stupidly overpriced piece of plastic
or a 3d printed piece of plastic off Amazon for $5
or or you can be a poorgay and use an ink pen to push down the follower
>he doesn't download by 1-2
You're asking for reliability issues. They shortened the follower to cram that extra round in. The spring is overcompressed. Glocks do the same thing to cram extra rounds into their fat plastic coated magazines. This is why Glocks and these micro compacts have such reliability issues. Trying to jam too much in too small a space.
I'd still rather take the glock tbh. Now if HS Produkt dropped Springfield and their vomit inducing design decisions and brought a G43 sized HS 2000 to the States, then I would buy it.
>I'd still rather take the glock tbh
literally why, there's not one reason to take the glock other than being a fricking brand gay
Because Springfields are imported pieces of shit???
Id rather have 6 for sures than 15 maybes
Just shut the frick up already
Wow, way to slay me with objective evidence...or hell, even subjective lol lmfao really
What the frick are you blabbering on about now?
Again roflmfao
>includes paid promotion
Dude, find an independent owner doing that test. Thats like getting Jerry Miculek to do an honest Smith and Wesson review. I love both of them, but Smith is damn sure not gonna send jerry a bad or weak gun. I have personal experience with a Hellshit...do you??
Hellcats and P365s are just as reliable as G43s. You'd have to be a moronic homosexual to buy a G43. Not even a single glockgay in this thread is a stupid enough moron or big enough homosexual to actually buy a G43.
dude sigs go off randomly and springfield is anti gun liberals
sure sure and glocknades explode in your hands
why would anti-gun liberals make a better gun than glock? does that make glock super anti-gun liberals?
>why would anti-gun liberals make a better gun than glock?
They didn't. They imported a better Glock from Croatia and then ruined it because Springfield can't do anything right.
Then why is the Hellcat objectively better than the lazy G43? Did Glock just halfass it because they know you glockgays would buy any shit they make?
i will only buy glock stuff because the grip angle is different so i have to to keep it consistent
Jesus. Have some self-confidence. They broke you.
Not a bad choice. The glock grip angle is superior for recoil control. There's no real reason to downgrade to a straight up and down grip and then train yourself wrong on that.
>Then why is the Hellcat objectively better than the lazy G43?
You mean having more rounds? It has more rounds because the Sig P365 came out and they just copied that. I still wouldn't trust the reliability of either of those guns.
6 rounds. 6 fricking rounds.
Typically it's carried 6+1. Which is 1 more round than a .38 revolver and it's shooting a more potent cartridge. I mean 10 or 11 isn't really shit either. If I wanted more I'd just skip them and grab a G43x and 15 round mags. Way nicer to shoot than a Hellcat too.
so you agree the G43 is garbage then
No it still has a place for deep concealment.
Why would you bother when you could get the same reliability with more rounds in a more concealable package:
>the same reliability
I don't take Leviathan Tribe shills at their word, sorry.
>with more rounds in a more concealable package
I don't like the idea of giving up muzzle velocity The difference between a 9mm round fired from a G43 and one fired from a Hellcat is like the difference between +P and standard 9mm.
>muh muhzzle velocity
homosexual this is micro-compacts frick off with your bullshit
the glock has a 3.3 inch barrel and the springfield has a 3 inch barrel, both are useless past 15 meters
Dude at least with my Chief's Special, I have a steel beat stick to pistol whip with when I run out
Mine is 8+1 with grip extension. No shitty Glock angle either
T. P9ss carrier
Glock is such a staple that their brand identity has become a cage. They've outsourced all innovation to the aftermarket, only having tiny incremental improvements.
They also know that people will buy them on cop mystique alone or recognizability.
That's why Glock is the official gun of Antifa.
>Glock is cop gun
>Antifas use glocks
Both are paid for to protect government VIPs and entities while both crash, burn and rob honest citizens.
yea theyre they toyota of firearms and toyota is the king of reliability
>literally why
Better ergonomics and I trust their reliability more.
>literally why, there's not one reason to take the glock other than being a fricking brand gay
Because they make a subcompact 10mm? I'll take the extra size for that alone.
oh if we're just going for bigger guns why not go bigger than that
fricking moron
>i dont like all those extra bullets uhhh it adds too much weight
Clear winner. SA just keeps winning.
I guess the Glock is for the Marksman vs. The Spray & Pray Springfield gang banger!
Neither of those are a GX4: into the trash they go.
You couldn't pay me to own a Taurus
but where do I grip the Springfield
By their pinky extender™
same way you grip the g43
In the grip zone of course
Imagine not just using a load assister for your tinny ass baby hands
Yea but the Springshit HellShit is a jammomatic piece of Black person shit. Only people i know that carry a Hellshit have never ran more than 2 boxes of shells through the thing.
>inb4 limp wristing
Frick off with your meme shit. I deal in reality
>Reality
Glocks would still sell like hotcakes if they charged a reasonable price, especially on older gen models.
The design has been largely unchanged for decades and they make billions of them, Glocks SHOULD cost around 300-400 for what they're worth, yet people still pay 700-900 for a gen 5 17 or 19 no questions asked.
I got a Gen 5 19 for 600 bucks new at my LGS. Where the frick are they 900 dollars??
Also Gen 3 is best Gen. Im not a fan of the Gen 5s, especially the ambidextrous slide release....
i live in TN and my LGS is selling gen 5 17's for 799
That's because your LGS is israeliteing you.
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/935223429
I have family in West/Central TN, and i grew up there. Hell my dad bought a Gen 5 17 a year ago for around 550. You must be in Franklin or Knoxville getting israeliteed that hard holy shit man.
>Glocks SHOULD cost around 300-400 for what they're worth
Good thing that's what they actually cost for a new one.
>yet people still pay 700-900 for a gen 5 17 or 19 no questions asked
Where? In fricking
Japan?
Glock will NEVER be competitive in the micro compact market segment until they ditch their idiotic polymer mags. The company is run by the most stubborn knuckleheads in the industry.
Long term consistency is worth more to the Glock company than keeping up with every new thing. If they were to frick up as hard as Sig with a new design it would kill the image of the company. You buy a Glock because you know it’s going to work.
To be fair the Glock 44 is evidently kind of shitty. Everything else they've ever released has been 100% though.
That was a really dumb decision on their part, never should have even tried to frick around with a Glock branded .22. Rimfire is just inherently unreliable and mixing that with the Glock look isn’t good.
i was shooting one all day today and it never jammed. thats the first one ive seen though
Apparently they REALLY don't like Remington Thunderbolts.
i wish psa would make a dagger micro for $300
whats wrong with hummers dude hummers are based
the owners.
i got a yellow hummer. i named her bertha
That's your wife, moron.
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Hilarious how a coping Springshit owner is seething this hard about being wrapped up in a brand of gun lol. Like pottery
Are you completely incapable of introspection or comprehending irony???
Now show the g43x. Then show it with the aftermarket 15 round mags.
but still the Hellcat with 15 round mags is smaller and superior
By such a negligible amount that anyone that isn't a baiting subhuman moron like you would actually give a shit. The glock even has a slightly longer barrel if you want to nitpick by tenths of inches.
>durrrr the bigger micro-compact is better
You're a legitimate moron. Nobody thinks you're being serious.
You are going to an entirely different category of handgun homosexual
You're a moron
this is what the glockgay is reduced to when they've utterly lost an argument
i know you're trolling because the p365 is better than both
hahaha look how much bigger the glock is too
It has a .41" shorter barrel plus it's not polygonal rifling, so the Hellcat's muzzle velocity is going to be significantly reduced.
ctrl-f
"Shield Plus"
Yes, there are many micro-compacts superior to the G43.
Im a Glock guy and i dont really see the point of the 43. I have a 43x, its just a little bigger and super accurate, super concealable, even with +p loads the recoil is manageable if you're not a cat owner. The 43 is like the 29 to me, hard to control, grip is too short, an extra half an inch wouldve made all the difference
plus its utterly inferior to every other pistol in its category
Guys I bought a GX4 Graphene for CC. Am I in for a rough ride?
Hellcat chads…
The 365 mogs both anyways
The only thing the P365 mogs are firing pins.
Fwiw the 43 preceded the era of the double stack micro compact.
>Fwiw
why didnt Glock innovate instead of shitting out the same basic design that produced a garbage product?
Probably because they like their fat, polymer-encased magazines. Shield arms does make a 9 round magazine for it, which is a bit better. They are definitely behind the curve on the microcompact market.
>G43
>Not g43x
Herbs
You are coping,
Coping and seething,
You just can't accept what you're seeing,
Yes, you're coping,
Coping and seething,
The truth it scalding,
And now you are malding,
And coping,
Coping so hard,
Coping,
Coping and seething,
Realistically Glock hasn't been relevant for 15+ years.
Glock is a one trick pony, and that trick is the full size and g19 size handguns, that's where they sine
So basically it's between Glock 43 or 43x, Sig P365X or XL, Springfield Hellcat, and S&W Shield+. How do you figure this out when you have no religion about anything and just seek for a good product ? 90% of these threads are just basic fights between raging shills godamit.
43x strikes the best balance of everything. 10+1 for sures versus the Springshit 37882920+1 and it jams every other mag. More than 2 failures in a thousand rounds isnt acceptable for staking my life. But then again i actually use and carry my guns unlike most Springshit owners who only go to a sanitized ~~*range*~~ after hitting the barcade
Unironically the Shield Plus in 30 SC.
There would be no market for these tiny ass guns if everyone just lost 50lbs. If you can't conceal a normal compact handgun, you are a FAT FRICK.
i carry a ruger lcp and ec9 because of how small they are
i have the build of a heroin addict though, anything that is thicker than an iphone sticks out on me