Living innaocean to survive ww3

Would owning an extremely large boat like pic related be a good way to survive ww3 if you were a billionaire? Would it be preferable to living in a bunker? If you got it outfitted with a nuclear reactor and had a good crew you could probably stay at sea for years away from all the targets. You could also try and determine which parts of the world didn’t get hit with nukes and migrate there eventually

  1. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Food and spare parts.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Both of which are also problems in a bunker.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      You can grow enough potatoes to feed a crew of a dozen men on a ship that large. You can also keep enough parts to run for a few years if all you're really doing is coasting somewhere in the south pacific.

  2. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    What do you think exactly would happen when the nukes start flying, you retard? No, it wouldn't be the end of the planet. Yes, there would be huge political shifts, plenty of death, and the economy would flatline. Being on the sea for extended periods is dangerous because your ship will eventually need repairs due to rust, sealife in the firefighting/water purifier systems, and other maintenance shit you'll need to go to land for because specific parts can't be manufactured at sea.

    You'd just be a target

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >If you got it outfitted with a nuclear reactor

      You don't even need that to stay at sea for long.

      A ship like pic related is about 23.000 TEU
      Going at 18 knots (which is slow but then we are going for economy, aren't we ?), it's drinking about 125 tons of fuel per day.
      You can have about 25.000 tons of fuel in one of them.
      That's 200 days and about 150.000 km.

      Going on a round trip around Earth across oceans would take you 50-55 thousands of km because you cannot go in a straight line.
      Double that if you try to do it by staying as close to shores as possible.
      It would be at most 125 days at sea.

      So you could basically :
      - sail away at sea and go near some unpopulated island or coast.
      - wait for a year while eating away at your supplies and listening to radio.
      - once you get an idea of where to go, sail there while keeping close to shores, listening to radio all the while for additional clue.

      Unless you plan on staying for decades at sea, disregard this anon
      While parts will wear down, staying at sea for even a few years isn't a problem as long as you aren't moving too much.
      You will have to move a bit, just so the machinery doesn't get clogged.

      But then, even if you have to run for 1 day every month or so, you'll have about 15 years worth of fuel.
      You won't stay that long : after five years or so, whatever governments managed to even partially survive SHTF will restore some kind of order and civilisation.
      You might not like the type of order it offers but you have a fucking ship that can cross the Earth's oceans : listen to radio and take your pick among the countries.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Wouldn't a smaller boat accomplish just the same ?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Sure.

          There are pros and cons for each.

          A smaller boat could hold less supplies but you could always preposition those on a island like this anon

          Just go on a secluded island. The same benefits just without a corroding heap of metal under you.

          said.

          It would also need a smaller crew which means less supplies needed.
          But then a larger crew might offer some benefits in the long run, should the situation prevent you to get back to civilization.

          It will be easier to maintain, to find the spare parts or to do repairs yourself.
          But then again, that's assuming you'll need to make repairs, which is a low-probability in the short term.

          So it really depends on your plan.
          OP seems to want a container ship to stay at sea until things improve on land.
          Why not ?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >Unless you plan on staying for decades at sea, disregard this anon
        >Decades
        If he stays out a sea the entire time, it won't take that long for shit to start breaking, anon. Consider also that he will be less likely able to work out weather patterns and sea state in a SHTF scenario, compiling the problems with his plan.

  3. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >If you got it outfitted with a nuclear reactor

    Well fuck, how hard could that be? Sign me up

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      okay cool
      do you know how to oper8 a nuke reactor?
      yes?
      okay your in

      now does -anyone- know how to make food and water infinite?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >now does -anyone- know how to make food and water infinite?

        I do not but then some food just won't rot for a long time if kept properly.
        Even if you need 10-20 tons of rice per year, that's about 1 container worth of rice.
        How much containers can you have ?

        Same logic can go for water : store it if needed.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          A container ship full of non-perishables would last you and whoever you bring with you for your entire lifetime

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >if you got it outfitted with a nuclear reactor
            who's gonna do that for you
            and where are you gonna source your fissile material?

            What about a container ship with a couple containers of potting soil, fertilizer, and a solar desalinizer?

  4. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Just go on a secluded island. The same benefits just without a corroding heap of metal under you.

  5. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    How do we make the boat last forever?
    things we need:
    >Food
    >Water
    >Shelter
    For food what about farms on top and possibly overhanging platforms on the sides?
    For water a large solar dome distillery (greenhouse dome that condensates water vapor on the walls and collects it.) Idk production numbers for it, but a big black floating pyramid with a pipe coming off the top of it should also work.
    Shelter seems obvious, but the means to repair, maintain, and modify should be possible. Same thing applies to power grid on the ship. Solar panels are a good source, but batteries that both hold enough power, last long enough, and can be maintained or repaired might pose an issue.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      adding on to this, what production numbers can we generate per square foot for all of the following: Solar, food, water (can use ocean square foot). What kind of personnel would be required to keep it a float indefinitely? I'd say people who are: welder/machinist, botanist/agriculture, Naval or ship mechanic familiar with current boat, Electrician/Electronics technician, plumber and HVAC technician, structural engineer of some kind, chemists are always useful, as well as at least one specialist medical personnel (while everyone gets basic medical training like TCCC). There might be more people that can be helpful, but I think I got the most important ones out of the way.

  6. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    If WW3 started you'd be better off being in bumfuck nowhere innawoods in northern Canada or South America or in bumfuck nowhere desert in Africa like somewhere around Namibia or Angola because those regions very likely won't see conflict. At sea you can be a target for navies and/or pirates and the ship will eventually need repairs, refuel and resources.

    Avoid cities because of nukes, avoid Europe and pretty much all of Asia. America might actually be fairly safe because it's an island almost and it'd be very very hard for China or Russia to invade. There might be one or two nukes flying there though but that would also mean China would get glassed right after.

  7. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Here's the thing about surviving the apocalypse: you then also have to survive the post-apocalyptic part. Which will last for your entire life (one way or the other) and will most likely be 19th century technology-wise. Might be doable if you're Amish, but I don't think their pacifism will be very useful once the raiders show up.

    Myself, I'm just gonna take the easy way out if it ever gets to it: grab a pair of sunglasses and head to ground zero.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      It's not Fallout. Raiders are going to be a very short-term issue because it's an unsustainable way of life.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >Raiders are going to be a very short-term issue because it's an unsustainable way of life.
        On the contrary, it can go on for a while if the crisis doesn't get resolved fast enough. Bronze Age Collapse was thousands of years of this way of life. Not everyone was one, but it was hard enough that the raiders could get by on bullying the locals for stuff. All the soft and effete civilized people ate shit hard, life only got better for the nomadic pastoralist tribes of Arameans who took all the free grazing land that had been cleared out by plagues, war, and famine. They took what bronze was left over (no more new stuff now that the global trade network is gone) and set about warring among each other for more of these grazelands for their flocks. For survivors of the civilizational collapse, life became being poor as fuck dirt farmers getting robbed every other week by the local gang. I'd expect a lot of mafia-style "protection" rackets being run like that, killing people and taking their stuff once is far less productive than robbing them every so often for their excess grain, only killing them if they try to stand up to you as an example to anyone else you're currently extorting.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >Raiders are going to be a very short-term issue because it's an unsustainable way of life.
        On the contrary, it can go on for a while if the crisis doesn't get resolved fast enough. Bronze Age Collapse was thousands of years of this way of life. Not everyone was one, but it was hard enough that the raiders could get by on bullying the locals for stuff. All the soft and effete civilized people ate shit hard, life only got better for the nomadic pastoralist tribes of Arameans who took all the free grazing land that had been cleared out by plagues, war, and famine. They took what bronze was left over (no more new stuff now that the global trade network is gone) and set about warring among each other for more of these grazelands for their flocks. For survivors of the civilizational collapse, life became being poor as fuck dirt farmers getting robbed every other week by the local gang. I'd expect a lot of mafia-style "protection" rackets being run like that, killing people and taking their stuff once is far less productive than robbing them every so often for their excess grain, only killing them if they try to stand up to you as an example to anyone else you're currently extorting.

        Also to reflect on a few changes that could come, all forms of written word were lost during the Bronze Age Collapse. It could have been for the better, as writing in the west (for example, the Mycenean Greeks) was akin to Chinese or Japanese in terms of writing, one character represents a two-letter sound, like say the "cr" sound or "el" sound, each one is like Japanese where one character represents a bunch of these and it's all in their own illegible script (usually pictograms and hieroglyphs) rather than a set of more or less universal letters like western languages now mostly share. That isn't to say the spoken language was lost, only that everyone forgot how to read and write in this period of time, so writing had to be reinvented later into something closer to what we're using right now. The only exception I can think of for this lingual reboot was Egypt where the writing was preserved by the priesthoods, which remained more or less "together" but was ruled by several non-native ruling dynasties who usually didn't give a fuck about tradition and were basically raiders themselves, just hiding under the guise of legalism. Fun fact, the Bronze Age was also the last time Egypt had a native ruler, even after the collapse ended all dynasties were foreigners, be they Africans like the Kushites or Greeks like the Ptolemies. Anyway, during the collapse they were mostly focused on internally exploiting the people rather than doing anything for the country, hence my labeling them as glorified raiders.

  8. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >nuclear reactor
    >in a nuclear war
    You're only asking for it, don't cry to me when the uranium and plutonium conspire to murder you in your sleep to finish the job their friends did on the mainland. They will only betray you for loyalty to their own kind, around radioacts, never relax.

  9. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    You would be better off on an uncharted island

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