Lithuania is buying Leopard 2 tanks for their future division, for some reason

Lithuania is buying Leopard 2 tanks for their future division, for some reason

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Russia rolls in and defeats the Lithuanian military instantly
    Kek

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

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      rolls in and defeats the Lithuanian military instantly
      hmm, where have i heard that one before

      no seriously this time for real. just wait

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        2 day special needs operation?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Pretty sure the Ukrainian military was 50x larger than lithuanias at the start of the war

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I do actually believe that russians are moronic enough to expect only Baltic armies if they invade

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >for some reason

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    rolls in and defeats the Lithuanian military instantly
    hmm, where have i heard that one before

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    K2 shills on suicide watch.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    >republitards
    >WE GAVE THEM 50 BILLION
    >we
    this is EU money, not US, and the EU already has provided more funding to Ukraine than the US.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    After what happened in Syria, why the frick would anyone do that?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because the exception does not make the rule

      And the rule so far is slavshit violently explodes far too often, while westies can take a hit and survive far too often.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        that moron has spent years shit talking the leopard and he goes out of his way to shit up threads.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Turks being morons with their tanks doesn't make it a bad tank.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >tank took a jdam to deny its capture and still has its turret somewhat in one peace
      >turks doing turk shit
      >what is weapon deal diplomacy
      >kraut brigade in Lithuania
      >krauts being the only tank producers with active production lines in mainland europe
      I mean, what else would balts buy given the circumstances
      >.t balt

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Bong or baguette shit, obviously! You know, from the guys that shut down their tank production lmao

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Bongistan 2
          >Rifled barrel meme, niche ammo that you have to procure from the bongs
          >No other operators to get spares

          >Le'quake
          >Autoloader, glass cannon chassis, trusting the french not to tell you to surreder and turn off the spare parts taps

          >lolpard 2ASex
          >Spares from every operator in NATO
          >Ammo interchangeable with US abos
          >Can train crews abroad
          >Brownie points with the krauts for possible permanent stationing of a full kraut brigade
          >Already have experience with kraut laputan machine tech autisim from PzH2k

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The Lithuanians chose from K2, Abrams and Leopard 2. They decided that Leopard 2 met their criteria. Bongs and Baguattes werent even considered

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    tfw 804th day of the instantaneous military operation

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    >Who cares? It’s an irrelevant country used as a buffer by NATO.
    >used as a buffer by NATO.
    That's the point dumbass. They need an actual military to be that speed bump.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I doubt Russia would want to risk geting nuked over Baltics. Anglos and nords see Baltics as core European territory from the Hanseatic League times already

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Anglos
      Doubt
      >Nords and Krauts
      Sure

      >t. Balt

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I doubt Russia would want to risk geting nuked over Baltics.
      It's a testament to the power mismatch between Russia and NATO that the latter wouldn't need to resort to even the THREAT of nukes right off the bat. Conventional power projection alone would be enough to secure either mass surrenders or a one-sided massacre of the RuAF. Quickly, at that.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    >The weird political shill is still at it.
    I do like your commitment.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    I would be in complete agreement if you had said this a couple years ago, Satan, but Russia has proven themselves unable to roll over fricking Ukraine, of all countries. Now, I have no doubt that Lithuania would still be in the fight when the American battlegroups rolled up.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ukraine was the second largest military in Europe with a huge amount of ex-soviet air defence, armoured vehicles and aircraft, 8 years of combat experience in Donbass as well as NATO advisors training their troops over the same period, and the outnumbered the Russians by about 2:1 at the start of the war, By contrast, the baltic states have maybe a few hundred IFVs between them and practically frick all else, while the Russians are much more effective than they were in 2022.

      IMO the only reason anyone expected the AFU to instantly crumble was a combination of Gulf War brainrot and the fact that everyone with half a brain knew that even if they didn't lose quickly, all that would happen is that they would lose slowly, as we're now seeing.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >while the Russians are much more effective than they were in 2022.
        >all that would happen is that they would lose slowly, as we're now seeing.
        fricking moron, what color is the sky on the planet you are living on?
        TZD

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    >where and who is the "nato army"?
    In the NATO countries, of course.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Well they sure as frick aren’t going to buy garbage challengers

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Of course they won't, otherwise what tank is Latvia going to get?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >jab at latvian moronation buying bong garbage
        nice

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          sucks for you because the challenger is actually a good tank

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            bump

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Its not confirmed yet but there is talk that Latvia will buy 60 K-21-105 light tanks So Estonia will be the only one without its toys then.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I think it's stupid that the Baltics literally don't cooperate on anything. We all got different IFVs, different air defense systems, different tanks, different everything. Our solidarity started and ended with the Baltic road.

          >best bang of the buck
          Only dirt-poor thirdie armies and morons think that way. And the former quite often don't do it out of choice.

          >muh tanks are obsolete
          Confirmed for clueless tourist. You need to go back.

          Not really. We're not poor, but we are small. According to the wiki, our Vilkas IFVs were like 7 million a piece instead

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Very based to see the columns of Gediminas and the Vytis on a modern IFV. Regards, a Finn.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Probably very hard to draft out balanced contracts and you guys have very different needs. Like Estonia needing 100 ifv yesterday to fulfill NATO obligations so they went and bought them from Turkey instead of going for a regular long term contract with Patria or any other European provider because they don't have experienced industry in building military vehicles.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Or go the Polish route and buy tanks from everybody and have an eclectic Twilight 2000 mishmash of Leopards, T-72s, Korean K2s, Abrams and probably a bunch of T-55s stashed in warehouses...

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              there's no mishmash. only 2 tanks will be in service, K2PL for marshland, Abrams for hard terrain

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >K2PL
              >indigenous
              oh im laffin

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          If this isn't fake then holy lmao, one of our military talking heads makes a passing remark about future IFV's are koreans are already rushing to sign another arms deal.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >So Estonia will be the only one without its toys then.
          because we're prioritizing other stuff over tanks

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Calm down warriortard. How's your Challenger 3 upgrade bait thread going ? Not well, apparently.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    >US boots will never ever come and die in lithuania, ever
    >what is NATO Enhanced Forward Presence (eFP) in Lithuania
    >Approx. 3,700 NATO troops presently in Lithuania
    To channel Collin McGregor: Nothing, Russia will do fricking nothing.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    >specifically which nation in nato's soldiers are going to fight and die for balts?
    The ones presently deployed there?
    >Lithuania 3,700
    >Latvia 4,000
    >Estonia 2,200
    There is an entire NATO division in the Balts right now.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Britain is planning to have 20k troops in Estonia as well.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

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    Sounds like there's not going to be much issue when it comes to actually invading the balts and liberating them from NATO, so why don't you just come and do it then?

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    >cant handle the Ukranians
    >ha! NATO will be easier.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    Russia has been fighting at the edge of Donetsk for 12 years, they gain about 500m a year on average. I think Nato is fine 🙂

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    There's a chance the Baltics could frick up Russians now lmao

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's not even a chance. Poland alone going in on Russia at this point will result in a decisive victory. Remember, every russian military unit is deployed in Ukraine, Priggy almost got to Moscow in 3 days cuz there's no one to defend inner Russia lel

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >war starts
    >Kaliningrad stops existing 5 minutes later
    yeah

  21. 3 weeks ago
    T-I-G-E-R-S

    >50 tanks
    >Division

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    >fight
    All of them.

    >die
    Nah, they'll leave that to the Russians, whom they'll butcher one-sidedly.

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    US boots are in Lithuania right now, vatBlack person. Though you are correct about the not dying part. They're just going to slaughter every single last zigger soldier that tries to cross the border instead, likely without losing a single man in return, given the utter incompetence and worthlessness of the Russian military.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      [...]
      >fight
      All of them.

      >die
      Nah, they'll leave that to the Russians, whom they'll butcher one-sidedly.

      i too love schadenfreude threads

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I want a peasent girl Lithu wiafu!

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Also, can I get one in blonde?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Wow, thats cute.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      they're fantastic.
      t. married a Latvian

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >ukraine utterly shattered
    This implies Russia can´t advance against a shattered military.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >our enemies are weak homosexuals
      >they are a great threat to existence of PUCCIYA!
      the duality of ziggers

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Russians would get stopped by Lithuanians at the border fortifications, and then slaughtered by the Poles supported by NATO airpower. Lithuania is literally too strong for you pidor, you could maybe try Estonia or some completely uninhabited areas in Finland.

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    rolls in and defeats the Lithuanian military instantly

    Would 3-4 days be a correct assessment?

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    rolls in
    No further than 50..80km from last railway leg that's not obliterated by arty in first minutes.

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    [...]

    [...]

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    I'm extremely impressed by the quality of your indoctrination.
    You've sat here and watched Russia get kicked in the teeth, retreat on multiple fronts, then sit and incur horrific losses to gain a couple square miles of some shithole that was contested since 2015.
    All of this in a fight with Ukraine, a non-NATO member that gets just enough funding and equipment not to collapse.
    And still, in your head, lives some kind of an alternate Russia which could launch a war against NATO itself - despite being already stretched thin in Ukraine - and not get absolutely eviscerated in the process.
    You are no longer capable of perceiving objective reality. Your brain just rejects it and waits until suitable cope emerges that you can use instead.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Budding Pulitzer price winner there

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >le troops
    >what is air force
    >what is navy
    >what is 24/7 100% satellite intel and comms
    But i wouldn't expect Zigger to understand how to avoid millions of cannon fodder.

    NATO would delete any advancing Russian forces before they'd reach border with few e-mails. All the Balt boots would have to do is shine some lasers and radio-in a bunch coordinates.

    Local back stabbers would be the biggest issue. Giving away their positions, resources, procedures, plans etc.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Local back stabbers would be the biggest issue. Giving away their positions, resources, procedures, plans etc.

      That's the neet part, the red line would finally get crossed and we could finally start hunting them down and offing them, at least in Central Europe and Scandinavia.

      I do hope American ziggers and /misc/tards get what's coming to them the most tho, they 100% deserve the ww2 jap treatment.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Can't wait. Know a few russian sympathizers who will be taken care of if RusBlack folk are dumb enough to start some shit

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    What's the casualty ratio around Stepove and who delivered the IFVs and MBTs that have been raping the puccian offensive there?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Judging by the mobilization problems in hoholstan I'm guessing the casualty ratios are bad indeed.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You mean dropping the conscription age from 27 to 25 and conscripting more people so that the veterans can rest?

        Yes, very grim indeed. Almost as bad as NATO task force rotations in Afghanistan.

        I'm sure Ukie troops wish they could get dumped onto the frontlines like the puccians and stay there until they die, which on average takes like 10 days for a pidor mobik.

        You're getting grinded like sandBlack folk at this point. This is what this war is heading towards, Ukraine dunking on your shithole forever, just like Israel is dunking on the arabs.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >mobilization problems
        You mean the ones where Ukraine STILL hasn't even felt the need to mobilize a single non-reservist?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Judging by the mobilization problems in hoholstan
        picrel
        >I'm guessing the casualty ratios are bad indeed.
        Bad for the Armed Forces of Russia, yes.
        For one example: all the way back on October 26, ISW had assessed that the Russian losses in Avdiivka had already turned it into Vuhledar 2: Electric Boogaloo, and since then video after video has revealed a graveyard of Russian armor.
        >By 27 January 2024, the Russians had lost an estimated 574 vehicles, allegedly including 183 tanks, 317 AFVs and 15 trucks, while the Ukrainians had lost just 44.
        sauce at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Avdiivka_(2022%E2%80%93present)

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >and its still being effortlessly wiped from the face of the earth in real time

    Too obvious, 2/10. No (You)s for naughty boys.

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    There isn't one.
    Frogs have a massive muslim population, which usually support Russia over the west. UK doesn't have a land force that could roll over the baltics, much less push out or do shit against Russia.
    Germany is a joke, Poland could be pretty strong in the future, but not now. Italy has a pretty decent air force for EU standards and navy.
    Turkey could, but its hardly European.
    nta

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If a war with a power seeking to kill and fight with Europe ever happens, the Muslims will be round up and summarily shot, you don't get Europe.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >germany is a joke but poland is going to be stronk

      leave

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        kraut hands typed that post

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Frogs have a massive muslim population
      4% of the overall population is "massive" now?

      >UK doesn't have a land force that could roll over the baltics,
      LMAO

      >much less push out or do shit against Russia.
      The British Army would utterly and one-sidedly curbstomp Russias sad joke of a military.

      >Germany is a joke,
      And yet would utterly curbstomp the entire fricking clownshow known as the russian military.

      >Poland could be pretty strong in the future
      Well yeah, it already got a superior military compared to Russia.

      >Italy has a pretty decent air force for EU standards and navy.
      And an army that would slaughter Russians like 40:1, you forgot.

  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    >effortlessly

    Nice try, 0/10

    Go back to gulag and farm salt from ice

  35. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Everyone is gearing up for the Russian collapse. Look up spps, metrics. We are at the point we can use very complex ai to calculate when it's going to happen with enough data points. Going to be late 2024 early 2025

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Cool. Do you have a reference? I can't wait.

  36. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    rolls in and defeats the Lithuanian military instantly
    Poland is right next door and I genuinely do not believe Russia could 1v1 Poland at this point much less the rest of NATO.

  37. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Reported price for 50 leopards a8 is 2 billion which is fricking insane for such small country. I would prefer us investing in local produced drones maybe with partnerships with ukrainians and turks. If we really want to spend 2 billion that go out of country's economy (which for lithuania is absolutely huge) then maybe better to think about some f35s. This would cause much more headache to russian generals I assume. Buying 50 tanks with everything you have is beyond fricking moronic now in 21st century and I am so pissed about this.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >40mil per tank
      What the actual frick?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Reported price for 50 leopards a8 is 2 billion which is fricking insane for such small country. I would prefer us investing in local produced drones maybe with partnerships with ukrainians and turks. If we really want to spend 2 billion that go out of country's economy (which for lithuania is absolutely huge) then maybe better to think about some f35s. This would cause much more headache to russian generals I assume. Buying 50 tanks with everything you have is beyond fricking moronic now in 21st century and I am so pissed about this.

        you never ever divide the total cost by the number of vehicles alone, because ammo, training cost, support vehicles, infrastructure, and other shit is included in the price

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          that's still way too much for what it is. It's just 50 tanks. We could buy a few fighter jets and more AD systems with that kind of money

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            buddy you are a tiny ass country buying F-35s, the per unit price according to your moronic math would be astronomical even if the US gets them for $80 million each

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              8 f35 would be about the same price.
              Anyway 50 tanks for 2 billion in this year and age with current lessons is beyond moronic. It's nice to have sure, but tiny country should spend money for the best bang of the buck. Everything should be as efficient as possible. And they go for fricking tanks... Maybe also buy some horses and arrows. Some boomer general now playing on russian scare that politicians are pushing and asking for tanks because "he is trained for warfare from his books". Fricking moron.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                those 8 f35 would have to be stationed anywhere else but the baltics which would make it even more expensive. The 50 leopards will actually stop an russian advance which the f35 would not be able to.

                >in case the russians somehow can muster 400k troops to overun the baltics and eastern poland without Nato noticing 6 months in advance

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >best bang of the buck
                Only dirt-poor thirdie armies and morons think that way. And the former quite often don't do it out of choice.

                >muh tanks are obsolete
                Confirmed for clueless tourist. You need to go back.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >only poor think about how to best invest their limited resources
                This is close to zigger levels of moronicness...

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, only poorgays and morons go on about "muh cost efficient" rather than build a proper system of systems that ultiamtely ends up far MORE cost-efficient because it understands concepts like opportunity costs, redundancies and not being penny-wise and pound-foolish.

                And nice porjection, idiot tourist. Obsessing about "muh cost efficient" is LITERALLY zigger levels of moronicness. As in, them trying to be "cost-efficient" with their gear design is LITERALLY how the ziggers ended up with the shit military they have.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >proper system of systems blah blah blah
                You just generated some moronic word salad without meaning feels like chat gpt helped you. Anyway 50 fricking tanks for 2 billion is beyond fricking moronic even for a rich big country. For tiny Lithuania that means that there will be no bullets and artillery shells because all of money will be spend on horses.. Sorry tanks... About same tech nowadays. System of systems lol...

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Your moroniation and inability to understand basic terms does not make a valid argument, moronic tourist.

                2 billion for the entire lifetime operational cost of 50 tanks is entirely sensible outside the ignorant delusions of clueless morons like (You). And you hav eless than zero understand ing about how that cost is divied up, either. Hint: It's not all paid at once.

                >muh tanks are horses
                Yet again, all your moronic "tanks are obsdolete" meme does is further prove that you understand literally less than nothing about modern military operations. You need to go back, moronic subhuman tourist.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ok boomer. Some gamer kid will destroy those tanks with some 100$ improvided drone and the tiny country will be left with nothing. Because it spent everything it had on fricking 50 tanks. Actually not evrything it had, there are no 2bil laying around they are now thinking where to get those.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Moronic statement. You should feel embarrassed.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                By the time monke decide to invade Baltics, he will actually have to request tanks from China, and maybe Xi will sell him some Type 59s or something

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >the tiny country will be left with nothing
                This is the most implausible part of your ridiculous fanfic: where you have, somehow, convinced yourself that the incoming support from the other 30 member states of the NATO alliance -- each of them armed to the teeth with the sort of technological overmatch that only a first-world economy's MIC could produce -- would equate to "nothing".

                >proper system of systems blah blah blah
                You just generated some moronic word salad without meaning feels like chat gpt helped you. Anyway 50 fricking tanks for 2 billion is beyond fricking moronic even for a rich big country. For tiny Lithuania that means that there will be no bullets and artillery shells because all of money will be spend on horses.. Sorry tanks... About same tech nowadays. System of systems lol...

                >tiny Lithuania
                Get this through your thick skull, pidor: there's no such thing as a "tiny" country when it's backed by the security guarantee NATO provides. There's just NATO territory, every square inch of which is sacrosanct. Don't believe me? Go attempt to carve yourself a slice of North Macedonia and see what happens.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > Let's just buy the most useless crap for the most money, it doesn't matter because muh nato.
                You are so stupid you don't even know what is being talked about here.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Border guard

                I think it's Maakuntajoukot/Territorial Forces.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Border guard

                But maakuntajoukot is basically a military unit though

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Served in Lithuanian military and agree on this one. Some high ranking desk-job tards are out of touch what we really need.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I mean of course it's nice to have 50 most modern tanks but not at this price. If you have to bet EVERYTHING. We now know that drones + artillery is current meta. A lot more artillery pieces some of them towed with a lot of drones and training on coordination with drones + start producing artillery shells and accumulate shitload of them + maginot line + expanded conscription and reserves would be strategically much much more valuable. Or if you really really want best toys then at least think about f35. Now we are spending 2 fricking bil on 50 fricking tanks like morons. Where is air defence investments, how will tanks deal against planes and drones. Additionally we spend billions to build nice houses to host german army that is likely to run as fast as they can once it gets hot. Yeah now it seems they turned on russia but who knows what party will be there at the time. Russians have deep connections there still especially in the east. The boomer moron talks about opportunity costs and don't understand what it means.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Additionally we spend billions to build nice houses to host german army that is likely to run as fast as they can once it gets hot.
                In a situation where NATO countries refuse to honor the alliance and refuse to fight, Lithuania is fricked either way, so might as well disband whole military and save money because even as fricked up Russia is, they could absolutely conquer Lithuania were they fighting alone.

                Not to say 50 tanks for 2 billion is the most sound investment, but Baltic countries have to build their capabilities and strategy with full NATO integration in mind. And that means that housing those Germans is probably more sound investment than those tanks.

                It makes sense for countries like Poland and Finland to build their strategy and capabilities with more independent and comprehensive outlook because there's a small chance that they'd be able to resist Russia with more minimal NATO support. But not with Baltic nations.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm thinking one of the advantages with owning even a small number of advanced Western systems will have the advantage of both having trained crews for them and removing any excuses the West might pull for no supplying more in case of a war

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Baltic countries have the same population as Finland. Why do you think Finland stands a chance then?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not him, but geography, for one. Finland is all lakes, forests and swamps, compared to our flat open fields and a couple of hills and a bog here or there.
                Finnish armed forces also seem to have their shit together in a way our tards will never be capable of. Plus a higher pool of reservists.
                t. baltoid

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Were Baltic nations to integrate their militaries fully with each other and enact as comprehensive conscription system as Finland has (Finnish military war time strength is about 250 000 with about 800 000 total in reserves vs total reserves of 50 000 Latvia, 100 000 Lithuania and 100 000 in Estonia), and integrate their societies and economies with each other to "total defense" footing, ie. all of Baltics have their now common civil society designed to be transformed into wartime footing with ready and practiced plans and chains of command, they could do it.

                But they aren't at that point, hence it makes sense for them to continue pushing total integration with NATO. It's politically easier and probably cheaper.

                Also Finland has very favorable geography, something that isn't easily transformed to Baltic states.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Wont happen Latvia and Lithuania fricked up when they abolished conscription. At least Lithuania got the message after Russia annexed Crimea in 2014. But Latvia like always is letting the Baltic region down like they have done always. Estonia has the lowest population but their reserves are bigger than Latvian and Lithuanian combined they are following the Finnish method. Also their paramilitary is bigger than Finlands even.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I hate Latvia so much it's unreal
                t. Lithium

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Latvia like always is letting the Baltic region down
                1/3rd of Latvia is russian colonists, unfortunetly

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Bulgaria
                Damn, my shithole really has 0 paramilitary? I'd be mad if I knew what that was.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Thugs with rifles that aren't strictly under central authority. For example the Blackshirts or Wagner Group. To name a historical Bulgarian example, the IMRO.
                You'll note that most first world militaries have 0 because it's uncivilised.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                But doesn't that mean that USA has millions of paramilitary?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                only if they organise under a military hierarchy and are recognised and used by the state

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Civilians owning guns is uncivilized
                check what board you are on

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Finland and Estonia per capita

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >finnish paramilitary
                And what may that be?
                t. finn

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Border guard

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I hate Latvia so much it's unreal
                t. Lithium

                Does Latvia allow ethnic Russians to serve in the military?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                we even force them
                t. eesti who had one sqaud be 8 russians and 2 estonians

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Isn't there a worry that in a war with Russia they would intentionally screw up the operations of your military?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                who the frick knows, ie check ukraine. you kinda have no fricking clue where the frick their loyalty stands (though we made the only russian in our squad a pointman lmao). one fun thing is that if you have the ayy lmao passport you have to choose if you do your conscript service in estonia or russia and for some UNKNOWN reason they do it here

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                wow, yeah, very mysterious

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                that was the joke

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The operations of all 2 brigades? Baltic defence planning is not serious. Not that that's really their fault, there's only so much you can do when your three countries put together have less than half the population of the Moscow metropolitan area.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >not a large population
                >not a large territory
                >mostly flat
                there are the woods I suppose, but those are not so effective with thermal imaging.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Latvia allows all citizens to serve in the military unless they are criminals, standard practice.
                What Latvia has is 200-300 thousand non-citizens. Where did they come from?
                When Latvia regained independence, citizenship was granted to people who lived or had relatives who lived in Latvia prior to 1940, so Soviet immigrants who came to Latvia after 1945 did not automatically receive citizenship and had to go through a naturalization process.
                But that is not the main issue for low military numbers. The problem is more to do with Latvians being more appeasing to Russians than Lithuanians(who avoided importing too much Soviet workers) and Estonians(who were much more abrasive). This appeasement carried on through the 1990s all the way up to 2014 and in some ways 2022. Restored Latvia's economy was based on the idea of being the gate between EU and Russia as a transit point, partially because of geography and partially because Latvia lacked a Western oriented partner nation. Estonians have Finland while Lithuanians as much as they hate to admit have Poland.
                This appeasement was across the political spectrum, from outright pro-Russian, anti-West parties, to liberals protecting the "Russian minority being unjustly bullied by Latvians for Soviet crimes" to even Nationalist party having sporadic dealings with Russian businessmen, "one of the good ones", kind of deal.

                All these things compounded to a point where while Russia was seen as hostile, them being outright aggressive seemed just beyond reason, so military took a second stage until 2014.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                In addition to what others said they are not moronic, they bought like 100 leopard a6s from netherlands for 200 million. 10x cheaper twice as many tanks. And a6 is nothing to scoff at it's just as good against russian shitboxes. On top of that fins have their own defence industry, they produce a lot of stuff. If you have 2 bil and spend 2 bil and it stays in the country it's very different than to have 0 bil, spend 2 bil and it leaves the country. And you have nothing to show for it, 50 fricking tanks it's a fricking joke. If this go through I know we are fricked because morons are calling shots.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >german army that is likely to run as fast as they can once it gets hot
                They're literally stationed like 20 km from the border

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't mean troops themselves running away scared I mean german politics which now seems favorable but it's still hardly reliable. Troops might be simply ordered to withdraw a few months before the invasion. I mean it's probably right thing to do as alone Lithuania cant defend itself anyway so you have to trust some allies but again price to pay is very very high and germany I see as a bit more wildcard ally than let's say uk or usa. Again now at this moment they are great.

  38. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    well their closest nato allies use them - Finns Swedes Poles all have them

  39. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Rheinmetall and KMW bros, we eatin' good.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >work in miltary procurement
      >barred from owning stocks in like 90% of european defence industry because i have to prevent conflict of interest
      I had to sell like 100k in KOG back in 2021, fricking sucks

  40. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Aren't these shekels for civilian purposes?

    I don't remember these funds being for military.

  41. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So what form does the aid for Ukraine take? Is it cash? Can Ukraine use that cah to buy shells and atacms, or are there simply not enough on the market?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >he's still trying to push the "muh west can't produce shells" meme

  42. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Finally my tax money is going to something I support.

  43. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lithuania's yearly defense budget is 2 billion Euroes. Can they afford them?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Is that 2 billion the whole lifetime costs with spare parts, ammo etc.? If so, then it should be manageable. Not smart perhaps, but manageable.

  44. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What else would they need?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_equipment_of_the_Lithuanian_Armed_Forces

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Will to live?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        lel
        also eat shit for making me miss kc

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What happened to kc, anyways?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Neo-Stasi took it down for thoughtcrimes

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Elaborate please

  45. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Note that, in some instances, paramilitary doesn't mean "militia". Gendarmerie (militarized police) units are classified as "paramilitary".

  46. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Russia rolls in
    Kyiv was half the distance Russia would need to travel to reach the coast. And they couldn't even do that before logistics completely broke down. And unlike Ukraine, NATOs airpower will be hitting them the entire way.

  47. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They've seen how good those are performing in Ukraine and that sealed the deal.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >a few got destroyed
      >HATO WUNDERWAFFE ISN'T UNDESTRUCTABLE XAXAXAXA
      Yeah, they clearly should have bought T-72+P+

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Like globohomosexual would let them buy anything but globohomosexual manufactured.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          what other tank can they buy? the indian monkey model leopard? or maybe bugmen tanks?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Shitty count like lithuania would be better buying off 10 million mines than those deathtrap tanks for same money if they're so afraid of invasion... or maybe they think they'll go after moscow or something kek.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              They probably have their mine stockpiles covered I imagine

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/OvzfJpN.jpg

          It was already known back in 2016 during clashes with isis that leopard is kinda trash and everyone but ukies knew how they would end up in ukraine.
          estonia is about to find out the hard way - again.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It was already known back in 2016 during clashes with isis that leopard is kinda trash and everyone but ukies knew how they would end up in ukraine.
        estonia is about to find out the hard way - again.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          are ziggers so fricking stupid that they actually think an Abrams blowout panels activating means the crew is dead?

  48. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    kek. looks like german fresh "fired" tankers are going to drive them..

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      English Umar, speak english

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You will be shot

  49. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The entirety of Lithuania's ground forces is being consolidated into a single infantry division and they will need the tanks to act as a crucial assault element

  50. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Leopard 2 tanks
    Buying tanks without a single confirmed kill yet catastrophic losses in now two wars. Very smart.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >catastrophic losses
      lol

      What would be the alternative, my brown-skinned friend?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Abrams my vitamin-D deprived friend? At least it's such a piggay whale it's relatively hard to drill a hole through it.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Why would Lithuanians buy Abrams tanks and rely on american shipping when the Leopards can do the same job the Abrams can with cheaper logistics?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            But you see, there are pictures of like 7(!) destroyed leopards fighting in some of the worst possible scenarios, therefore its bad.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              that was just a monkey model t72 with export ammo

  51. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Labas to the leopardas,
    Mournin' to the Moskale
    Dievas davė dantis
    Sent us to knock em out with no apology.

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