Literally the only objectively true criticism of bullpups, is the inherently poor triggers.

Literally the only objectively true criticism of bullpups, is the inherently poor triggers. Willn't this be solved with electronic triggers? People have been relying solely on electronic optics for a decade. Why not triggers too?

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    How close are we to electronic triggers being widely adopted by anyone, anywhere? I have nothing against bullpups, but the number of countries that have adopted and then abandoned them in the last 3-4 decades also leaves me with the impression that the advantages looked better on paper than they turned out to be in reality.

    Also, bullpups can have very good conventional triggers, an example being the K&M 17S

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I think the issues for the most part is just cost. We already know bullpups are more effective on the field.
      Both Russian AK variants or AR are cheap as fuck.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >We already know bullpups are more effective on the field
        I'm a massive bullpup enthusiast and even I'm not sprouting this shit like its some kind of objective fact.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          But it is. There have been studies on it. They're just not worth the cost and have issues that need working out.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      There have been many attempts at electronic triggers over the years. The Remington EtronX from the early 2000's is very well known. There are several others which flopped so bad that they are forgotten today. Here's an example from 1985. I can't quite remember the name of the company who made it. It's Klicotronic or Kilcotronic or something very similar.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Different nations adopted and then dropped bullpups, that's a fact. But things changed a bit since then. What every army seems to want now are supressors on rifles, and it's much, much better to have a supressor on bullpup, rather than on standard rifle. Also, adaptation of larger calibers again, due to both longer engagement ranges and body armor, also seems to favour bullpups, as it's much easier to carry longer barells this way

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It's really just that using the same general pattern rifle as others you train with is infinitely more important than the differences between any platforms. For any country that trains with US forces, having something in a vaguely AR configuration gives more benefits in applicability of training than having a platform that might be better in a vacuum would give.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Different nations adopted and then dropped bullpups, that's a fact.
        They also adopted and dropped non-bullpup designs as well, so that isn't saying a whole lot.

        Personally I don't care for most bullpups on the market but that's clearly where things are heading. Even airguns are headed in this direction, for example the hugely successful FX Impact. Trying to match .22LR velocities needs a long barrel, and a bullpup is a much more convenient way of stuffing a long barrel in a reasonable length gun. And like you said, that's especially true when suppressors are involved.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It could be solved with a mechanical trigger, you simply need someone to give enough of a shit about it to make it a design priority.

    Electronic triggers have been a thing in match competition since at least the 1980's. Airguns, 22's, and .32s. They aren't any better than a mechanical trigger but they are competitive. They are less reliable than a mechanical trigger though since they have added electrical points of failure. If they fail under the comfy conditions of a modern 10m indoor match then that doesn't bode well for their durability in combat conditions....and for what? There's no real benefit, only disadvantages.
    Now in the future when someone makes an aimbot scope then an electronic trigger will have a reason to exist on a combat weapon. But right now it's just a failure to adhere to the KISS principle.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >back when I used to shoot silhouette I knew a guy who had an electronic trigger in his 40x. He did OK until his switch gave out at a match and he was forever known as "Spark Plug".

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I bet he forgot to warm the glow plug, rookie mistake. At least his grandfather wasn't there to shake him.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I really want a tavor 7 seems the perfect hog gun maybe put a bipod on it

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Willn't

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    So, how do you fix bullpup?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Lets do something with that magazine first.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >So, how do you fix bullpup?
      Throw it in the trash. Buy a conventional rifle.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      No need, bullpup is fine

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Unironically proper training.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >nooo my mag change is different

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >People have been relying solely on electronic optics for a decade
    the optic doesn't make the gun fire

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Modernized bullpups have good enough triggers. X95 is on par with mil-spec AR15 and why would you even need better than that? It's really not a deal breaker not being able to drop a match-grade trigger in.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >is the inherently poor triggers
    The MDRX has a good trigger. Has had plenty of other QC problems and the original MDR needed a few hundred rounds through it from the factory to break the trigger in, but now they're decent out of the box (and not decent-for-a-bullpup). As well as mine I don't know anyone who has shot one and isn't happy enough with that aspect, though some go to aftermarket like for anything and there are certainly more options in the vastly bigger AR aftermarket. The whole "inherently poor trigger" thing is kinda old.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    travors are pure shit. Sold mine right after I got it because it would shoot hot gas into my eyes. no gun that cost 2k should do this at all.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      isn’t it piston? shouldn’t piston guns inherently not do that? none of mine do (RDB, SL8, etc)

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Literally the only objectively true criticism of bullpups, is the inherently poor triggers
    K&M proved that there is not an inherent problem, the trigger is crisp by ANY standard. It proved that manufacturers are too lazy to make them good, and if they worked to make them good, than there would truly be no viable criticism of BVLLpups.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >KM-M17S
      seems neat.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    i love bullpups, they're just better

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Electronic trigger
    >Battery dies
    >enemy solders rape you

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