Let's say you decide to go full Uncle Ted and abandon society or just want a backup tool, (not weapon mind you I'm not suggesting this for home defense or whatever), for hunting in your bug out bag or rural shed.
Would you consider an air rifle to be a good investment? And is there any air rifles on the market that can-
>Use a hand pump, even if not directly attached to the "gun", to refill it's air supply so you don't need an air compressor or other infrastructure to get it ready to fire
>Be strong enough to take down a deer with enough range to actually hit one, (Something that can kill stuff as big as a moose or bear would be ideal but I imagine that might be impractical)
>Use bullets that can be manufactured yourself, (assuming you have a source of metal and a forge able to smelt it anyway), though I assume a 5 gallon bucket of pellets/bullets would last the rest of your life and be pretty cheap
And probably most importantly-
>Be reliable enough it can be used for 10+ years without needing replacement parts
you and 90% of the LARPers who will soon populate your thread can't locate clean water and are satisfied by a rudimentary google search telling them how. enjoy dysentery
I'll have you know I'm perfectly capable of fording that river
>it can be used for 10+ years without needing replacement parts
no
>Hand pump
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/airforce-pcp-hand-pump-for-airforce-rifles-incl-hose-adapter-pumps-up?a=81
>Stronk
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/airforce-texan-big-bore-air-rifle?m=3575#6923
>DIY bullets
You can cast your own, molds are readily available. Slugs are actually easier to cast than hollow base pellets. However, fat slugs in .45/.50 means your 5 gallon supply runs dry right fast in a hurry.
>Replacement parts
Possibly. I haven't owned PCP airguns for more than 6 (?) years at this point, and my breakages have been mainly related to seals, one hammer, and I bent a barrel shroud like a doofus. Anyways, just like springs are consumables in firearms, O-rings are the consumable in an airgun. If you want to be sure that an air gun will last you a decade, buy an O-ring kit and the important springs.
I should have mentioned that by "replacement parts" I mean things you'd need to special order, not things like o-rings and other general maintenance, since I could see pressure bearing stuff like the air cans having a shelf life. Though I imagine the only real problem would be storing them with air in them for long periods like with an air compressor.
It seems like it'd be a cool thing to have as a gimmick but honestly I feel like you could get a good quality hunting rifle and big ass can of ammo for cheaper and it'd last pretty much indefinitely as long as you took care of it, especially if you were to only use the rifle on wild hogs at the smallest and keep a small air rifle for rabbits etc that ammo supply would last a lot longer. I suppose I should probably look into a small air rifle instead of going full moron with a huge one.
>since I could see pressure bearing stuff like the air cans having a shelf life
Officially speaking, you need to have a valid certification on your pressure tanks, which is done every ten years. However, here in Yurop the only people who check are people organising matches, so they can avoid responsibility. It's not as if a tank will suddenly explode if it hits 3650 days, most recertification is just a checkup. New tanks especially should not be a problem for 10-20 years.
Regarding the o-rings: stock up if you want to rely on this if SHTF. O-rings and such will dry up eventually.
They are very much a gimmick and unless you have a dedicated use case, don't get one. Having fun is a dedicated use case, as is garden plinking here in Yurop. Silent air hunting is a valid point too, but it's just more of a challenge, not some highly feasible revelation that everybody should get into. The smaller rifle (break barrel) for small game is a great idea.
I'd imagine a can that's gotten old wouldn't catastrophically explode anyway and it'd just leak air to the point where it's a useless hunk of metal.
And yeah you being a europoor is another good point, as far as I know you can take an air rifle with you anywhere without worrying about legal stuff... but then I imagine even places like California wouldn't care if you have an old bolt action without even a removable magazine for blasting pigs of the wild variety and not the donut eating tax collecting kind.
>I'd imagine a can that's gotten old wouldn't catastrophically explode anyway and it'd just leak air to the point where it's a useless hunk of metal.
No, it would not leak air. It would leak air quite violently during refill, because it's the cyclical loading that kills these things. Never heard of that happening though, not even to 20+ year old dive tanks. Those are basically the same thing, I even fill my PCP rifles using two 10L scuba tanks, which I fill every year at the diving shop.
You don't know what part of the gun is going to break. So the whole gun. We do know that certain parts are more likely to break or end up in need of replacement. If you have access to real firearms, I would personally suggest a 22lr. They're much easier to maintain and keep running well, and the ammo doesn't frick up as easily as I thought. My dad was given 30 year old 22lr ammo, he put it in a bucket outside the house, covered it with a tarp, forgot about it for two years, found it, dried it out in the sun since the ammo was moist from all the rain, and then shot every single bullet without a problem. So imagine what a few bricks of 22lr well stored could last? Definitely your lifetime.
And as you said, pair it with a smol air rifle and you have something that will last you forever. I have no experience with PCPs but I have used Gamo springers since I was a kid, and those things have lasted me thousands of rounds and I've been neglectful of those rifles and to this day I can pick them up and kill a pigeon with them without issue
To start, most people like to focus on deer because it's one of the most popular animals to hunt, but in this hypothetical situation where you're going all primitive, are you actually going to be able to use a whole deer without losing a good portion of the meat due to it spoiling?
>>Use a hand pump, even if not directly attached to the "gun", to refill it's air supply so you don't need an air compressor or other infrastructure to get it ready to fire
Any PCP gun can. You need a specialized high pressure pump rather than just any old hand pump, and they're mainly meant for smaller bore guns with smaller tanks, but you can fill a big bore gun with one in a pinch. The big bore guns take a lot of pumping though, and the pumps have a duty cycle where you have to let them cool off every so many minutes of pumping which will make things take even longer (I think it's 5 minutes of pumping to 15 minutes of cooling off).
>Be strong enough to take down a deer with enough range to actually hit one, (Something that can kill stuff as big as a moose or bear would be ideal but I imagine that might be impractical)
Yes, there are people who take deer with the .357 version of the Benjamin Bulldog. Pic related is how it stacks up against firearms. Big bore airguns really do go past the point of diminishing returns.
>Use bullets that can be manufactured yourself, (assuming you have a source of metal and a forge able to smelt it anyway)
You're just casting lead. It takes very little to melt lead. Airguns also prefer pure lead rather than the harder alloys that most people will use when casting bullets for use in modern guns.
I guess I should mention that unlike most LARPers who imagine themselves going into the woods with nothing but a backpack I already have a rather large RV with a good, (not infinite but enough to last until a more permeant solution), water supply, freezer space, etc.
The only thing it needs is a reliable electricity source, I have some solar panels laying around that MIGHT be able to keep a freezer running but I'd need to get a lot more to keep everything going and at that point it's just too much weight.
And I should add, I'm not really saying I'd go 200 miles into the desert, just a rural undeveloped area off the beaten path is plenty enough for me. The current plan is to just buy some land and effectively drive my house there, not go full Primitive Technology and build a Neolithic hut. The place I'm looking at has electric lines to it but a backup is important.
If you're going to be dependent on gasoline to move around a gas guzzling RV along with all that maintenance on an RV entails, you really may as well be dependent on commercial ammo as well when considering what a big bore PCP airguns costs for the power you get.
Well the goal is basically to semi-permanently park it, only driving it in emergencies or to make sure it's not rusting to frick. I'm a carpenter so I'll be working on building a proper house as well, but I imagine for at least the first two years I'll be living in the RV.
I did consider that as well, but I was under the impression modern crossbow bolts can't really be reused that much for hunting. Though I could be wrong, I honestly haven't looked into it much.
This is why if you do decide to buy some land you make sure you read the fine print and double check you have all mineral and resource rights, even if it makes your empty land twice as expensive.
I probably didn't make it clear, but the goal is basically to move off grid sooner than later so IF things go to shit I'm already good to go with a comfy home and not struggling I don't even mean "oh frick apocalypse" things going to shit, just stuff like "electric prices have skyrocketed because X" or "Food shortages due to Y have made prices go to unreasonable but not impossible levels". I don't really have any delusions of grandeur about becoming a GORILLA WARFARE EXPERT or anything, I just don't like being reliant on a system that looks to be rotting from the inside out if I can avoid it. I still plan to have electricity and internet and all that stuff, and the end goal is to have a comfortable home, I just don't have the financial ability to flat out buy land and hire contractors to build me said home.
My dad lived for like 30 years basically at the top of a mountain in California in the redwoods and simply going to town for basic things was a whole ass endeavor, so if I can minimize the needed trips into civilization that just seems practical all around.
>are you actually going to be able to use a whole deer without losing a good portion of the meat due to it spoiling?
>what is jerky?
>what is biltong?
>what is basturma/suvo meso?
>what is pemmican
People have been preserving meat for thousands and thousands of years, anon. Even salt isn't necessary. The best venison my grandfather ever ate was from a deer he shot on New Zealand - the landowner's Papau New Guinean housekeeper wrapped the quarters in gauze and hung it outside for a couple months until the gauze turned green with mold and who knows what else. She kept saying "it's not ready, it's not ready". When it was ready, she unwrapped it, carved off the green layer and cooked the aged meat underneath. Best flavor, most tender venison he ever had.
Yes, whole village with a streamlined system can preserve a deer in warm weather.
Biltong is literally just meat hung in the sun. Jerky is just meat hung over a fire. Pemmican is just meat hung in the sun or over a fire so long that you can pound it into powder. I've made biltong and jerky outside - my entire last year's deer became biltong. It's not hard unless you're a complete and utter moron like Chris McCandless or some dependent city israelite.
That would only work in the desert, otherwise you have to cut the entire animal into thin strips and create a smokehouse before it spoils, or you need shit tons of salt.
They're kind of just a toy. I wouldn't trust one to feed me reliably, whereas a rifle I would. You've gotta think that seeing game is random and not always often. You have to have the best tool for the job to maximize every opportunity to get fed. The only time I would even consider n airgun would be for a point blank assassination in a crowded area.
the thing with air rifles is that they're very fragile and need constant maintenance of seals. In a firearm there's only two pressure bearing parts (chamber and bolt-face), in a PCP air rifle there are dozens all with their seals and fasteners. So you don't only need a supply of pressurized air and lead, you also need a constant supply of spare o'rings and silicone oil. I own 3 PCP air rifles so I'm not talking out of the ass here.
In this sense, a simple break action shotgun that can be reloaded with cast shot and black powder is a much better "off-grid" firearm.
How often do you really have to replace seals in PCP guns? I only have experience with CO2 and multi pump guns. I know CO2 guns will wear out seals because CO2 is harder on seals and most people don't throw some oil on the end of the CO2 cartridge before loading it like you're supposed to and I've seen 2/3 of the CO2 guns I've come across go down due to that, but the only time I've seen a multi pump gun go down was one that I bought that was from the 50s where the seals had dried up after sitting for who knows how long.
With my Diana Outlaw I've had problems with the filling port not sealing twice and with the chamber leaking air once. It's usually a matter of disassembling the gun in a clean space (like a bathroom), cleaning the surfaces with a lint-free cloth and dousing everything with silicone oil. But it has happened to me once when I went hunting and the gun wouldn't hold pressure for more than 5 minutes, it sucked because it basically meant the trip was over and I went home. Other times I had others guns to shoot or carried all the tools and spare seals so it didn't suck that much.
I own a Umarex hammer. Bougth it at Dany's dump store at leuwaarden.
Problem is...handpump donesn't fill it up to max power.
And the self casting bullets won't fit because its a tigth tolerance on those especial in the Umarex hammer.
>Problem is...handpump donesn't fill it up to max power.
There are pumps that go up to 4500 PSI. Is your pump just not rated to go that high, or do you personally have trouble pumping before getting to that pressure?
>And the self casting bullets won't fit because its a tigth tolerance on those especial in the Umarex hammer.
This sounds like a you problem. Tons of people cast bullets and shoot them without even needing to size them.
As much as I think big bore air guns are cool, consider that you basically have the same effective range as a bow. Why not just get a good crossbow instead? Not only is it more robust, but if is irreparably damaged, you can make a new one (albeit not as nice). Worrying about having enough ammo is silly with regards to procuring meat; 1000 rounds will take more than enough deer to feed you for a lifetime.
>As much as I think big bore air guns are cool, consider that you basically have the same effective range as a bow. Why not just get a good crossbow instead?
Big bore airguns do have a much flatter trajectory than bows, but they are still much worse than you'd get from a firearm since going supersonic with anything that isn't a break barrel is off the table and heavier slugs that are the weight of a normal bullet rather than pellets with the weight and aerodynamics of a round ball will travel even slower. The Benjamin Bulldog mentioned here:
for example will throw an 81 grain pellet at a peak 910 FPS (and by peak they mean exactly one shot). With heavier slugs in the range of what common 9mm bullets weigh, velocity drops off into the 700-800 FPS range, and heavy 158 grain slugs leave the barrel at about 650 FPS. Likewise, the .457 version is already poking along at 760 FPS with slugs while standard .45 ACP ball will leave a pistol barrel at 835 FPS.
>Big bore airguns do have a much flatter trajectory than bows
While true, by most accounts, their lethal range in taking big game is similar <100yds. All the same, OP would get better results from a muzzleloader and a stockpile of primers/flints
>All the same, OP would get better results from a muzzleloader and a stockpile of primers/flints
Yeah, I'm not denying that. From all I've read, big bore airguns are more of a "because I can" option for airgun enthusiasts rather than something that's remotely practical.
>I'd still say no because it's only good for small game, and small game isn't valuable enough to warrant carrying a weapon that heavy.
Wut? OP isn't talking about being homeless and carrying everything on his back. Also, you can absolutely get lightweight small bore airguns that are in the weight range of a normal .22 rifle.
It wouldn't be worth the 5 pounds. The .22 would because you're not limited to small game. Certain air pistols might be worth the weight but definitely not an air rifle. You'll get sick of living off squirrels real fast for numerous reasons.
>The .22 would because you're not limited to small game.
Anon, I don't know what you think hunting is like, but most hunters aren't going out and blasting whatever they come across. Even before 2020, .177 and .22 airgun pellets could be had fro a fraction of what .22lr cost, and the gap has only widened since then. That will absolutely make a difference with regular shooting, especially considering that .177 and .22 airguns aren't unreasonably priced vs firearms unlike big bore airguns.
>living off the grid means you need to be able to ruck all of your possessions
And now we're heading clear into fantasy territory.
>hunters aren't going out and blasting whatever they come across.
In survival hunting you stillhunt through unfamiliar woods and kill the first edible game animal you see. Your weapon needs to be versatile enough to harvest any animal in the region, like an Indian's bow and arrow.
>And now we're heading clear into fantasy territory.
Law enforcement, logging companies, property owners, and others can and will pose a significant threat your livelihood and safety with regularity. I know because I've been there. As society collapses more and more, the situation will only grow worse. Safety is temporary, and food and supplies in any given area don't last forever.
So now we've gone from OP's scenario of abandoning society to live in the woods like Ted Kaczynski did, to a survival scenario where society has "collapsed" for some reason, you're starving and in an area you're unfamiliar with, and you need a gun to both hunt and shoot it out with cops and also employees of logging companies and local land owners? Frick off.
Ted Kaczynski had his life basically ruined by loggers.
Society is collapsing as we speak and it's not a remote future possibility that can just be ignored. The population has literally doubled since Ted K was born, homelessness is higher than it's ever been, the economy is in ruins and staple products remain at 100%+ inflation from 2019, people are living in their cars, squatting in the woods, permanently occupying recreational camping areas, and poaching is also at an all-time high. You can't just pick a spot and call it yours forever and develop a lifestyle that requires 2000 pounds of crap to maintain. It's not going to work long term, and it probably won't even work short term.
Anon, you need to step back for a moment because action packed fiction has rotted your brain. If you start shooting people because you want to claim some area out in the woods, your life is effectively over. Society doesn't tolerate that shit, and they will happily spend the money to hunt you down with helicopters with thermal rather than allow someone who thinks he can kill people because he lives outside of society continue to exist.
I didn't mention anything tangentially related to shooting people.
I'm really curious who or what you are actually replying to here.
If we undergo a real actual societal collapse to the point where people can no longer rely on commercial food sources and are forced to hunt, then every edible animal in the country is going to be wiped out faster than you can blink.
That will only be true within maybe 50 miles from populated zones. Large national/state parks and wilderness areas will not be heavily affected.
>The only unspoiled wildernesses left in the US will be unaffected by a few hundred million people becoming reliant on hunting for their food.
Look, I know we're talking about a fantasy-tier hypothetical, but come on now.
Random fat people with no survival experience aren't going to backpack 2000 miles to Aroostook county or the River of No Return.
Even if only people who have been out hunting before were the ones doing it, wildlife populations would very quickly diminish to almost nothing. I think you're really underestimating the amount of damage people can do once there are no regulations/enforcement stopping them from hunting as much as they want.
That will only be true near large population centers. There are vast swaths of North America that are virtually uninhabited.
And no one will go there once all the deer near their house are dead. Sure.
How will they go there without functioning automobiles and gasoline? Those things will go before food does, and that itself will probably be the cause of widespread famine.
>muh famine
Explain how this would ever be an issue when the US lives in such an absolute state of luxury compared to anywhere in the world where famine is actually a concern. Consider:
>the US is a net exporter of food
>a bit more than 1/3 of the food that stays in the US gets thrown in the trash rather than eaten
>the US government has to pay farmers not to grow to avoid flooding the market
>a large portion of food raised in the US is extremely inefficient shit like beef
This offers such an absolutely massive buffer that there's no reason for famine to exist here.
inb4 you're one of those whiny morons who thinks 2020 was even remotely bad.
Because that luxury is dependent upon a delicate system of trade routes and political alliances and technology.
>moron didn't read past the first sentence
How do you think farmers grow that food? With mules pulling plowshares? Everything farmers depend on depends in turn on global trade networks that Joe Biden is working tirelessly to destroy. Also, much of our farmland is now owned by China.
Take your fricking meds.
You don't understand anything about modern agriculture or economics or technology or industry or anything. The USA is not food independent by any stretch of the imagination.
>The USA is not food independent by any stretch of the imagination.
We'd probably fare better than most other countries if we had to go full autarky for some reason
Yes, after the population dropped to 1920s levels.
homie real life isn’t like sid meyers civilization where if a resource is in your cultural area your whole country has access to it.
First of all water is a massive issue in the west which is a large producer of meat.
Second modern agriculture is heavily based off of petroleum derived fertilizers because a soil is essentially barren and all the chemicals need to be artificial introduced each season for anything to grow.
You also have to transport and process the food. Humans can’t eat sorghum or dent corn. It needs and industrial facility to turn it into feed, the transported to the areas that raise the livestock.
Let me guess, in 2 weeks we're all going to die from peak oil.
>In survival hunting you stillhunt through unfamiliar woods and kill the first edible game animal you see. Your weapon needs to be versatile enough to harvest any animal in the region, like an Indian's bow and arrow.
Do you also think Chris McCandless is a good role model to look up to for fricking off and living in the woods?
Chris McCandless was a dumb college student with no experience at anything. I've been hunting and practicing survival skills for over 20 years and I've also lived without conventional housing for many years as well.
If you're living off grid you can't predict when and how often you'll need to move and what means of transportation you'll have available. The sum total of your material possessions must be packable. At best you could use something like a collapsible deer cart to move things, but it would still be unwise to own more than 100 pounds of total gear even in that case. If you're going to use an air rifle it should be dirt cheap so you can leave it behind if necessary. Ultimately though, you should become as good at handgun hunting as possible, few other skills will be as important.
>airguns are more of a "because I can" option
While not the most practical, I think it would be awesome to use a caselman for home defense.
No. The kinds of airguns capable of big game are extremely heavy and are very high maintenance. Their range is also so short that you may as well just use a .22 and stick to headshots. As for a more conventional .17-.22 caliber airgun, I'd still say no because it's only good for small game, and small game isn't valuable enough to warrant carrying a weapon that heavy. Use a .22 and you can kill anything with it, and you can also get it as quiet as you need it to be.
ted used a 22lr rifle.
buy a ruger 10 22 and tens of thousands of rounds.
>it's another episode of an 87iq anon discovering time and depreciation
The backup tool is called a plow. Legends have it that's how people acquired food before we discovered that it grows on supermarket shelves. Even fishing is more realistic. The reduction of population you'd need to be able to consistently survive off of hunting in a 1500 mile radius of any city is about 97%, at which point you'd need something that can go maintenance free forever, not for 10 years.
Nevermind, I didn't catch OP wants to go innawoods for no good reason upon the first reading.
Well, good luck.
That's another reason why I practice handgun hunting exclusively. Hunting isn't important enough to warrant the weight of it's own gear. Anything beyond opportunistic game harvesting with your sidearm is pretty much a waste of time. Fishing and trapping are more important. Even a Glock 9mm has roughly the same hunting utility as a compound bow in my experience, and you'll be carrying one anyway.
I plan to use the secret technique called "drive 45 minutes to Walmart and buy 40 pounds of Jasmine Rice".
Anything I can supplement by growing on my own or hunt would be nice, but I have no expectations to go fully self-sustaining for at least a few years of living there.
tbh I wish I could justify getting a FK BRNO for that purpose but it'd just be a poor investment compared to pretty much anything else I can think of.
Looks interesting, but for living off grid with no income source in a civilization on the decline, I would just stick to my Glocks because they have the track record for long-term durability and reliability, wide availability of parts and magazines, and they're light enough that I could travel with 3 or even 4 of them on foot and basically never have to worry about guns for the rest of my life no matter the circumstances. I can shoot them accurately enough to kill small game animals at 20 yards non-destructively, big game at 50, and I've never needed more than that. There are proven deer slaying loads for 9mm available and that's the only caliber I would carry, anything else is too heavy and expensive and difficult to source, and .22lr is too limited in pistol form and would just give me more dead weight I don't need. Most of my food would probably come from shoplifting, scavenging, fishing, and trapping in that order, with hunting being an opportunistic strategy when I'm far from people.
Yeah as much as I'd like to dump cash on gimmicks like that I'm unfortunately all too aware that the best option is to just use a Glock, AR, and some flavor of shotgun.
You seem lost, this is /k/. The Rimworld general is on /vg/.
Those are pretty uneven antlers, can’t be more than 3 stars prize
Tl;dr
I'd make a fortress and hunt animals and kidnap people's mothers and have sex with them. I'd have like a whole harem/army/tribe of mothers just butchering animals that I hunted or maintaining the place and building new expansions or birthing my kids. All while they'd have a standardized uniform of a buck skin thong or just an apron while working inside the compound.
>this fricking thread
What is it with how many posters here can't stop thinking about video game scenarios for 10 seconds? OP talks about living out of an RV and posters here go "no bro, you gotta be a wasteland wanderer and ruck everywhere and only have 1 gun." There's absolutely nothing wrong with having multiple guns.
Just make sure you've decided ahead of time which ones you actually need and which ones you don't. Gasoline won't exist in ten years.
>Gasoline won't exist in ten years.
Frick off moron.
To me the main advantage of an airgun would be being able to hunt small game in populated areas without Karens freaking out about the EVUL GUNS going off down the street.
Also, if you want a renewable food source, BEHOLD- These babies magically produce food right out of their butts! And you can eat them if there's too many! Just don't be a moron and make sure you actually know how to raise them.
The problem with that is that air rifles aren't concealable, so you have the same Karen problem. Air pistols, on the other hand, aren't powerful enough to kill anything larger than sparrows as a rule. The ones that are actually powerful enough for squirrels and rabbits are extremely large PCP pistols that require a separate pump that is very large and heavy by itself. I've given up on air weapons until something better is invented.
Anon OP is saying he's going to legally purchase property and live on it. It doesn't need to be concealed at all.
And if you really wanted to you could blast a squirrel or rabbit from the window of your house with an airgun in the middle of a suburb no problem and just go pick it up.
He said he couldn't afford property and was going to squat somewhere in an RV.
I can afford property, rural property is cheap, the issue is paying to ship building material and hiring contractors willing to commute that far into the middle of nowhere to have them build a house.
I could always look for a junker house and renovate, but from what I've seen there just isn't really many of those in the areas I'd be interested in since they're almost always surrounded by other shitty houses and the problems the people who live in those cause.
Currently I've been looking at rural Colorado or Nevada, but at the end of the day it's going to boil down to whatever one has
>Mineral+logging etc rights
>A fresh water supply, ideally with a stream or river
>An electrical connection and ideally an internet cable too
I've managed to narrow it down to a few options for less than 10k, the most important part is going to be extensively checking the properties before pulling the trigger since I'll be relying on the local area for a lot of things and that requires going there in person.
For 99% of human history a "house" was something a man could build himself in two weeks or less from materials found within a square mile of where the house was to be built. You need to radically transform your psychology if you want to live off grid and forget that modernity ever existed.
I already know how to build houses anon, it's my job. So yes I do plan to build with natural resources on site, I just don't see any reason to live in the dirt while I'm building if I can just drive a perfectly serviceable home there myself.
>make a lean-to and sleep in the dirt until it's done!
Yeah I could hypothetically do that, but I'm not going to make a shitty house of sticks, I'm going to build a proper house that can last the rest of my life and that requires a lot of prep work on stuff like the foundation. Digging a foundation by hand is not a small task, depending on local terrain.
Because I want a home, not a hobo tent. If I wanted to do that I'd already have done it.
I'm curious, do you know how to if you're being so smug? Go on then, let's see Paul Allen's log cabin plans. I'd like to laugh at them.
I likely will build a basic cabin as a first permanent building just for storage and as a workshop.
You and a bunch of other LARPers seem to be missing the point, I'm not saying I want to become some kind of TECHNOLOGY BAD luddite. I want to build a home away from people that CAN be self sustaining with work and time. I don't "Need" either of those any more than you do, which is rich coming from someone posting on this bhutanese sock embroidery forum from (presumably) the comfort of their own home
And here's a question for you outdoor pros. What better thing could you take with you into the middle of nowhere than LITERALLY THE ENTIREITY OF HUMAN KNOWLEDGE available at your fingertips?
>Go in the woods
>Something you didn't forsee comes up
>What do I do? Oh wait, I can just google it
>solution to what could literally be a fatal situation found in seconds
I've lived in passenger vehicles for four years in a place that gets -15 farenheit in the winter and have no intention of changing my circumstances so the idea of needing a "home" just reminds me that I'm not really the same species as most people.
You're definitely not going to make it, to say the least. You won't pass through the filter. You aren't remotely there and you don't have time to transform sufficiently.
>just reminds me that I'm not really the same species as most people.
No, you're an insufferable homosexual wearing the skin of a human being. Get over yourself.
That's what you need to become to have a 1% chance of surviving the lifestyle you're idly speculating about.
>it's the homeless schizo from the offensive handgun thread a while back
Yes, I'm the guy who field tests his system as part of his very lifestyle every single day for years instead of just going to a range every once in a while while living in a modern apartment with electricity and plumbing. The one and only. Pray you never meet me in person, because if you do I'll force you to start wearing suspenders.
Why not just get a large tent and squat on public property?
>can't frame a cabin
>needs electricity and cable
lol you will not last 10 minutes "off grid" go back to playing xbox
>Air pistols, on the other hand, aren't powerful enough to kill anything larger than sparrows as a rule. The ones that are actually powerful enough for squirrels and rabbits are extremely large PCP pistols that require a separate pump that is very large and heavy by itself. I've given up on air weapons until something better is invented.
How the frick have you never heard of the Crosman 13xx series? Sub $100, powerful enough to take squirrels and rabbits, weighs only 2 lbs with an integrated pump, is only 13.5" long, has a massive aftermarket to the point where you can probably build one entirely from aftermarket parts, and hit the market 2 years before Glock's first handgun.
Probably not the point of this thread but you can't be Uncle Ted. That's why he did what he did. You will always have to come back from your rural shed to get a wagie job so you can pay your property tax.
>People will genocide all wildlife because muh food
Also
>People will not have gas to go anywhere else
These seem mutually exclusive. And again seem to conveniently forget that you can just, you know, grow food. There's a place where this kind of collapse thing has happened before you know, and babushkas with their personal gardens in rural areas managed to survive* a full on collapse without access to supermarkets or even electricity even before things went to shit because they were prepared. Well, and because it happened before for them already.
*survive does not mean they had a fun time of it.
Single shot .22 and two bricks of ammo. Hell why not 3 or 4
Most durr hunting is 3.08 and 6.5sneedmore. 5.56 will work too, but check your state hunting regulations.
Multiple tools with quality optics is recommended. Firearms aren't that expensive.
5.56/.223 is pointless because it's way too destructive on small game, and if you're going to have a specialized big game rifle then you don't need something with that kind of weight efficiency because you could potentially survive for a month on one deer, you'd be better off with a .308. A 9mm carbine makes more sense as a survival rifle because it can perform very well on game of any size up to Elk within 100 yards, it's ammo weighs the same as 5.56, and it's the same ammunition as your pistols and probably the same magazines too so you're drastically simplifying and reducing the weight of your system.
But personally I've killed so much shit with pistols at this point that even the PCC is like a luxury item that I'll probably just leave behind in an actual bugout scenario. The .223 rifle I've already sold, it was just useless. Very accurate, but useless. I like the Ruger PCC alot but in New England you can't see anything past 50 yards 99% of the time so you just don't need a long gun of any kind unless you don't have good shooting skills. The PCC gets left in the car more often than not every season.
A bow or crossbow might be better for the longer term, honestly.