Leopard 2

What makes the Leopard the most popular tank in Europe? Its effectiveness or the fact that the country producing it is right next door?

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it has the coolest name

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Rheinmetall has the best sales team

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >What makes the Leopard the most popular tank in Europe?
      all the important reasons right here
      >mass produced and cheap (due to end of cold war)
      >produced on the same continent
      >equal to the abrams
      >allowed to be produced under license and even make your own variants
      >been upgraded multiple times to keep up with the times

      its mainly a KMW/KNDS product

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >equal to the Abrams
        (¬_¬)

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Nooooooooo murrican always greatest bestest nobody makes stuff like american
          Sometimes, nonamerican stuff is equally good or better, it's just what it is.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Meteor >> AMRAAM
            >FREMM >> LCS
            >Centauro >> Stryker
            Many such cases

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You forgot
              >Warrior >> Bradley

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >nukes the thread
                No further sensible discussion will be possible
                You may continue reading at your own risk though beware of possible dangers such as brainrot,the french and other mental illnesses

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ah, it seems I have summoned warriortard-tard

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Does that make you warriortard-tard-tard?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >> AMRAAM
              I should fricking hope so given it's a quarter century newer.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I should fricking hope so given it's a quarter century newer.
                That doesn't always apply. See exhibit A, T-55 Obr.2024

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Actually what’s the deal with the German Government/Rheinmetall’s flexibility regarding upgrades/parts for the Leo. Because I remember reading a comment saying that Poland dropping the Leo in favor of the M1/K2PL because the Leopard 2PL project was getting bogged down and the Germans weren’t allowing the Polish government to produce parts for the Leo, let alone do the upgrade themselves. Was that bullshit or do the germs like to keep everything in house?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Because the Leopard 2PL project was getting bogged down and the Germans weren’t allowing the Polish government to produce parts for the Leo, let alone do the upgrade themselves

          This sounds like PiS politics backfiring

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          poles went with the lowest bidder aka Rheinmetall
          they were responsible for designing the Polish variant and producing the first prototypes
          they also shared technology and helped Poland make a production facility so they can "make it themself" (in quotes because I dont know if Poland just assembles parts made by Rheinmetall or they produce it entirely on their own)
          while also overseeing the project in general
          The German Government and KMW/KNDS had no say in this matter other then approving the contract
          The main issues with why its taking so long is due to Rheinmetall taking ages with the design and prototypes and also because the polish leo2s had been worn out more than expected and had to be repaired or overhauled which took a lot of time
          >do the germs like to keep everything in house?
          Spain,Greece and Sweden produce their own Leos entirely independently so no

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Spain,Greece and Sweden produce their own Leos entirely independently so no
            "Did produce" is a more correct term, but its somewhat ironic that the only source for new-production Leo hulls and turrets these days is METKA in Greece.
            There are rumors that KNDS will have to outsource a lot of final assembly to meet the new orders though

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Only hulls, turrets are still made in Germany

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nope, the turret is also made at METKA. The empty turret is then shipped to Kassel where they put it together, and then turret+chassis is mated and tested in Munich

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It’s a decent tank and West Germany made so many of them that after the Cold War it was the easiest way to get a modern MBT.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's well made, and the Germans made them in greater numbers than any other European tank, which brought the price down for foreign customers.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It’s obsolete but because it didn’t see much combat everyone thinks it’s a viable vehicle. I don’t know how many more tanks of any design will have to get shredded by Amazon plastic drones until boomers finally give up their tank lunacy. It’s the musket of 21st century combat vehicles.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why is it that every time someone makes a thread about tanks, this type of comment shows up

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Because it’s true? Tanks were developed to cross fields covered by light machine guns. After 3rd generation ATGM tank producing countries should have looked at other options. Unfortunately they didn’t and now they try to make tanks work in an environment were drones are clearly superior and 5th gen ATGM are the norm.

        Their solution? Make a tank a drone carrier platform. Lmao tankies are by far the dumbest people when it comes to determine the viability of modern combat vehicles.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          This is the dumbest post I've seen so far this year.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Tanks as they are now are obsolete.

          However the tank will evolve as it has always done.

          Tanks looked obsolete with the advent of RPG and Saggers but ERA and better armor fixed that.

          Now I expect tank development to focus on APS systems, something like a fast moving 20mm turret and Lidar for targeting flying objects at up to 3km distance.

          Also I personally expect tanks to be equipped with some sort of ground penetrating radar (like those they are using now on large drones to find old underground ruins or temples in the Amazon forests) in order to detect landmines.

          Perhaps armor will become less important as tank on tank battle becomes more rare.

          But ultimately it's always better to be in a metal box that can drive around when bullet fly than walking in the open.
          And if your metal box meets another metal box you want the best armor and the bigger gun.

          Ultimately light armored veichles are too weak against artillery and tanks to make a military force without tanks.

          If you have better options than tanks to charge against a well emplaced enemy you tell me.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >If you have better options than tanks to charge against a well emplaced enemy you tell me
            what would you use? 1000 drones or a single tank?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >charge against a well emplaced enemy
            I'm expecting that role to go to drones and UGVs, tanks are going to go through the soul extraction process and become BVR platforms sniping with FPV guided shells. Drive me closer I want to see them with my eyeballs is going to look really antiquated in 10 years.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Please don't wake warriorfart up.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Does the Leclerc, Challenger, T90, T14, Altay or Ariete have cool metal songs written about them?

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    German bribes

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's a garbage tank (no auto loader) but it's the only one that an european country actually produced in decent numbers, hence why it's popular

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Both. Also in some instances they were either more available than or cheaper than Abrams so it was the better buy for some countries considering that they have nearly identical/insignificantly lesser performance.

      I somehow doubt you are French, Korean, or Japanese so pic related

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It came first at the right time

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    maybe because Germany is a reliable supplier of machinery

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    French were c**ts to work with and amx was shit.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What other options do you have?

    American tanks are really expensive and America dosen't like to sell the latest models. Also they Europeans would prefer to support their own industrial base.

    The options are:

    french: decent but expensive and France is a terrible country to work with as they don't have much respect for clients acting like selling anything to you is a favor.

    Italian: decent but not as good as the German or french tanks and does not have many upgrades.

    British: good but extremely heavy limiting some uses and expensive. Also British engines are hard to maintain.
    And the production numbers are so low that if you place any orders it would take a decade to get fulfilled.

    German: good enough, cheap enough, enough production speed and capacity to fullfil orders, not as much political bullshit as the french (still some though), had lots of small fixes and improvements, better than what the Italians make, lighter snd more reliable than the British. Overall is just the best option unless america is willing to sell you the latest DU armor Abrams at discount prices.
    Korean isn't really an option because you can rely on supply from across the planet if shit hits the fan and they only recently have come up with a good tank.

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The fact that it's being produced. The other European tanks are no longer in production.

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    An Abrams is the most survivable. I don't know why any tanker wants ammo to be stored besides them, even if there is a container. Just storing them behind a firewall is much more efficient in saving lives.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Doesn’t matter with insensitive propellants like SCDB

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What makes the Leopard the most popular tank in Europe?
    The fact Germany and the Netherlands had thousands of them that they no longer needed and were able to give them to other countries practically for free by offsetting the cost by tying them to other civil infrastructure projects and trade agreements with Germany, while Rheinmetall and KMW make their money from selling spares and a upgrades

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    protection and mobility

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    politics, legacy name, availability

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    > Germany produced fricktons of 2A4's in both export and domestic configuration

    > Wanted to get rid of the ones they couldn't afford.

    > Rheinmetall 120mm literally set the NATO standard

    > Several upgrades and variants depending on the needs of the military

    > No moronic DU export restriction like Abrams

    > Isn't British

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