>sleep somewhere that has remained hidden, is safe, and overstocked >sleep in the open and spend all day on through fares, with dwindling supplies
maybe I'm just autistt
How on earth are you not worried about other people screwing with the air supply or something? I have to wonder if people who think this way have never been at the mercy of dumb dickheads who take things too far too often. Sure, it's all still there so no one rlse has found it yet, but if even a single one does they're fricked. Ever hear about the red haired giants in Canada? The local tribes all got together and cornered them in a cave, started fires at the entrance and killed them all.
in the book they hear a dog on top of the bunker, which indicates the cannibalistic raiders are probably around. it was just a matter of time before they were found and in the bunker there's nowhere to go.
I've only seen the movie and I remember the dog walking around while they're below listening. People ITT saying "no one would find it" except he had pretty tangible proof that they were poking around, IIRC more than once.
the road is an easy read but i would not recommend blood meridian right after that. i would go with the border trilogy, suttree and ncfom before blood meridian, then the rest of his books
I actually read a lot, and I believe that the best things to read are things that can cause you to reevaluate your beliefs.
And I have read some Ayn rand, didn't really care for it. I can parse her intention, but she writes so dry and pedantically
2 years ago
Anonymous
my problem with McCarthy: >le universe will devour you >le forces of evil are simply self-interested >le protagonist will fall and maybe you will get some consolation
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah, in that sense he actually quite reminds me of lovecraft's cosmic horror concept set within the underbelly of Americana.
Not sure exactly how those things make him a bad author, but it's certainly not for everyone's taste.
2 years ago
Anonymous
bro I read the Road and watched NCfOM
that's it
I don't care about Cormack and my complaints are superficial HS level shit
it's easy to pick on grimdark authors because of tropes
Honestly almost all writers are total homosexuals because most sane people will pursue an actual career.
jobbies are gay
2 years ago
Anonymous
Oh yeah, grimdark is way too overdone, but it also isn't meant to be taken incredibly seriously.
>Like I said, there are countless good storytelling examples of this very thing happening.
But the best examples you could produce was a videogame and game of thrones
No, like I said, that was the first one off the top of my head, and then one of my favorites, I'll go ahead and start linking some more
2 years ago
Anonymous
Honestly almost all writers are total homosexuals because most sane people will pursue an actual career.
Yes, I absolutely am a pseudo intellectual. But luckily most people are moronic enough to wear that is enough to convince them that you are a genius.
Now explain to me why I should think about this negatively
For what it's worth, I'm drunk as shit and using speech to text.
But I don't think I would describe mccormy's books as intellectual at all, more or less just slow burn tragedies.
his pseud fans will say shit like >his prose is unique and amazing wow!
and it's literally 2 straight pages of a single run-on sentence, with no punctuation or any other basic grammar. You can like his stories but the writing is dogshit.
2 years ago
Anonymous
He's not the first critically acclaimed writer to do so.
I just marathoned the entire movie, ask me anything
https://i.imgur.com/ci4pXOT.png
>All I see from my uninterested glance is seeth
>frog >doesn't remember rp roll threads
teehee
2 years ago
Anonymous
>marathoned >1 movie
There is disgusting implication here that you normally watch movies in parts across multiple sitting.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's really late so I'm going to be nice, but this is a very common meme on this board, to reference marathoning a movie, implying the very thing you stated.
I implore that you please look here for at least six more months before you post again
in the book they hear a dog on top of the bunker, which indicates the cannibalistic raiders are probably around. it was just a matter of time before they were found and in the bunker there's nowhere to go.
How is eating babies and having a gang of catamites survival?
Having to make extremely hard choices in order to survive is different from being downright evil.
There's a big difference between that soccer team that had to eat their friends after the plane crash, and the house full of cannibals in this movie
Cool story gays, tell that to the lions and hyenas and bears and wolves. You can be prey animals if you want but don't blame me for the rules nature invented. The weak are meat and the strong do eat.
>The weak are meat and the strong do eat.
I would warn you not to cut yourself on your own edge, but I bet you're so limp-wristed that you are the kind of man who can't even swim.
When the apocalypse happens I'm going to crush your hands and break out all of your teeth and make you my catamite
Keep avoiding the points that were brought up and go on spouting the usual "guys guys look, I'm going to be a hecking raider, bcs nature n shieeet" nonsense, as if it's a valid argumentation
>but don't blame me for the rules nature invented
ironically but appropriately, submitting yourself to the rules of nature is the weakest thing a man can do. its historically the comforting cope for women
Black folk who talk tough like this would be the type of clown who gets smoked in a second by some soft former office worker with a shotgun. You have no idea what you’re talking about.
I look like a stereotypical incel, but I don't tell most people how I did 4 years in a maximum security prison, and before that lived on my own as a teenager for 3 years in the worst neighborhood in my state, go to kickboxing weekly, and own multiple firearms.
I am literally banking on my ability to appear small
Having to make extremely hard choices in order to survive is different from being downright evil.
There's a big difference between that soccer team that had to eat their friends after the plane crash, and the house full of cannibals in this movie
I love how the one Black person in the movie is a thief who had his thumbs removed for punishment, and speaks ebonics. I was hoping he was going to shoot him, but honestly leaving him there naked to die of exposure was probably funnier
I love how the one Black person in the movie is a thief who had his thumbs removed for punishment, and speaks ebonics. I was hoping he was going to shoot him, but honestly leaving him there naked to die of exposure was probably funnier
Damn, I must’ve missed him having no thumbs. That actually gives me a lot of hope, it means there was someone out there, presumably with the power to capture, detain, and punish the black, while maintaining a sense of law. After realizing it was his second offense of stealing, Viggo should’ve killed him.
>people resorted to eating their own fingers so as not to starve.
I'm sorry but this is the worst take I've seen in a while. You do realize that fingers have literally no muscle inside of them, right? Let alone, even if you were to eat them, the caloric intake versus the extreme loss of survivability would not make it worth it
I'm a born follower and would attach myself to the first group that offered/needed another land. Which one probably result in me getting fricking killed.
PrepHole talks a lot of shit but I feel like most would be extremely extremely jaded but ultimately good despite their outlook.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/KnightInSourArmor
>survival is le evil
Frick off, survival of the fittest.
Cooperate and work together with like-minded people. Which is what you should be doing rn apocalypse or not btw
realistically speaking being moral is your best chance at survival, you're more likely to survive by building a community with like minded people than by just attacking anyone you see.
The counter to this is when you build a community there are many more mouths to feed. This is a world where there is no ability to grow food. No wild animals. Basically all of the food left in existence is stuff that has been previously canned before it all went to shit. If you build a big community like that every morsel you find now has to be shared amongst the group. It wouldn't be sustainable. Eventually the group will start to tear itself apart when it gets hungry enough and then it becomes a waiting game for one person's sense of hunger to be stronger than that sense of morality and community.
It's been awhile since I read it but I'm pretty sure this was a thing. It doesn't make any sense why they are killing each other for food if you can just go out and farm.
In the novels harsh setting the best bet would be a small social group focused on extensive scavenging, building a remote, preferably underground living space and trying to make do with whatever you manage to scrape.
>realistically speaking being moral is your best chance at survival
Exactly. Morality and social cohesion (that is, sharing duties and protecting each other) are the best strategies for human survival.
Hard to say since I'm sitting here not currently starving to death. I would like to think I would be moral but I guess you never really know until you are in that situation.
Only Amerisharts and everyone equally rotten by their media thinks that just killing everyone for dwindling stock of perishable goods is the way to "survive" in apocalyptic situation.
In all real countries people will band together to pull through, like we as human species are programmed to do.
Much like the template reddltor, you're talking out of your gaping ass. This is mostly banter, in reality Americans are historically very socially cohesive-- the Pilgrims survived, thrived and built a civilization, whereas warring tribes in Africa and the Middle East still try to kill each other to this very day.
The american society USED to be based on banding together to tame the wilds. Then you invented unchecked capitalism and Hollywood started churning out media that aims to rewrite the collective psyche of Americans into thinking that the american way was always to just take what you want and to frick over your fellow man, just so the average American would think the oligarchs that now rule them and frick them in the add every chance they get are something to look up to, rather than something to keep in check or murder.
Hell, "The Wild West" actually historically saw less gun violence than modern US, but you morons keep thinking it was some lawless hell scape where only the psychopaths that draw first survived.
Your society is done for, and you did it to yourselves.
>Hell, "The Wild West" actually historically saw less gun violence than modern US
Yes, this is why gun ownership is a good thing, I don't know why that is so hard for you third worlders to understand
The second an identifiable threat shows up Americans will rally together-- in fact this is gradually happening because people are realizing they have a fringe of enemies inside the country trying to sow divisiveness.
You morons can't even agree that Russia is your enemy.
There is no hope left for US.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Wherever you're from, you're worse off, it's exceedingly unlikely you're in a better position than the Americans. You'd probably be assigned catamite duties within 15 mins after the start of the apocalypse.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You are delusional.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Keep stocking up on iodine, limp-wristed shut-in. I doubt you have ever been in any kind of physical confrontation and irl you're probably a chickenshit homosexual. Man up you shitty homo
>a fringe of enemies inside the country trying to sow divisiveness
What, like 60% of the population?
2 years ago
Anonymous
No, a fringe. The USA is
60% white
95% heterosexual
Non-whites and gays aren't necessarily the enemy-- only the extremist fringes among them. A shrill minority whose time is running out because the inevitable nature of history is that extremism brings about its own destruction.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Your number would only mean something if whites and heterosexuals stuck with their own. Which they don't and never will because muh white supremacy boogeyman and muh homophobia cudgel. Your fringe minority has been running the news, universities and the entertainment industry for decades now. The overton window is shifting further and further to the left and I don't see that changing in the near future tbh.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>If an object A exerts a force on object B, then object B must exert a force of equal magnitude and opposite direction back on object A.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Except object B got guilted into not pushing back and now moves whereever object A pleases.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The pendulum of history is automatic because attempts to influence it only make the backlash even more inevitable.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I hope you're right about that, meng. I really do.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The spiral recurses in and out of itself, and all things flow according to the whims of the great magnet
The entire premise of the story is that the food chain is fubar and there is no hope whatsoever. It is completely impossible to make new food and all multicellular lifeforms are going to be extinct within a decade. The pointlessness of their efforts to survive serve as the backdrop to the central moral dilemma of whether to "keep carrying the fire" knowing it won't amount to anything in practical terms.
That is what fat is intended to do in an ideal situation, but they do not have the metabolism or cardiovascular fortitude to properly utilize their energy reserves
Karma exists in some form whenever you are dealing with people. I once was late to a tinder date and speeding and driving like an butthole, and come to find one of the people I cut off was my date.
I would act relatively civilized as long as the people around me do, but of course be ready for bullshit at a moments notice because overarching authority no longer exists and people already act crazy with it.
i would find some sweet cuncun to protect and take care of and make love to until death. although i once saw a dream that made me realize it isnt necessary to wait for apocalypse to do that - there are already many wartorn countries and wastelands where parents are willing to sell their precious cuncuns for a low price. maybe ill move to syria, afghanistan, yemen, or even ukraine one day soon
Because there was no future for her besides suffering, hunger and eventually watching her young son be used as a rape-sleeve before she herself was used the same way before likely being eaten limb by limb.
Exactly. The one explanation that seems reasonable is that he was in a hurry to get his son south.
The explanation that he was afraid to be found makes no sense because there was no indication they were being followed (though they were by the family). It would have been improbable if they kept quiet and only left briefly during the day to go to the bathroom.
But it's an interesting narrative detail to ponder why the father decided to do what he did.
like another homosexual said, in the book he hears a dog. which means the only reason the bunker hadn't been found already, is because no one had been anywhere near it for years. but now that he's in it, there's a trail to it that others can follow.
So instead of being somewhere hidden and supplied, he would rather just be out in the open. Don't you remember what happened when they tried sleeping in the van?
the "assumption" is the only reason the bunker hadn't been discovered for a decade is because no one had been near it for a decade. by stumbling on it, being in it, the bunker has been made easily findable by others.
That doesn't make a lot of sense because it could remain hidden from the outside. ONLY a dog following their scent would reasonably justify the dad's decision to keep moving. Otherwise they could bet on not being found out.
If there is someone who still has enough of their wits left to use a dog to search for food that person could potentially become an ally. Or at least a protector for the Boy.
Most of the maniacs left in the world would have just eaten the dog.
2 years ago
Anonymous
True. The narrative twist of them being "pursued" by the family that ultimately vowed to protect the boy (if they were being honest, which I assume they were) is ingenious.
The father's paranoia isn't totally out of the blue, but the objective fact that he felt that he was dying wanted to get the boy South in order to escape winter seems more evident as a motivator.
2 years ago
Anonymous
This. That was the point in showing the dog and the Nuclear Family survivors. There were many indicators that they were good people and would take care of the boy. The ambiguity of the ending only pertained to the state of Earth, but the movie was intentional portraying the family as good.
what part of >they leave a trail a mile wide that is easily followed
are you unable to grasp? the bunker was safe before they got there. if they could've teleported there from miles away, it would be safe. but since they had to leave a trail to get there, and by being there, generate evidence they are there, the bunker isn't safe.
If there is someone who still has enough of their wits left to use a dog to search for food that person could potentially become an ally. Or at least a protector for the Boy.
Most of the maniacs left in the world would have just eaten the dog.
dog is basically inedible to non-asians, not much meat either. asians like it because ghengis khan liked the way suffering tasted.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>they leave a trail a mile wide that is easily followed
Evidence for this from the film?
A normal person walking across firm ground doesn't leave much of a trail. You have to know what you're looking for to follow it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>You have to know what you're looking for to follow it.
everyone who's still alive knows what they're doing
2 years ago
Anonymous
Some more of a "I'm willing to kill and eat other people to survive and I'm lucky" thing than a "I have survived due to my above average hunting and tracking skills" thing.
By staying in the bunker and letting someone track you there you would roll the dice on someone finding you who isn't quite insane yet. Someone who might just allow you to leave peacefully if there are still more supplies for them. Or you can band with them.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>dog is basically inedible to non-asians, not much meat either
First of all: that is not true.
Second: if you're starving you'll eat anything. Rationality doesn't figure into it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>they leave a trail a mile wide that is easily followed
The part where this is nowhere clearcut. If their pursuers wanted to catch them, they'd have caught up with them easily a lot sooner. Unless there is a good dog involved, it is by no means inevitable that they would have been followed precisely to the bunker, this is not a Bugs Bunny cartoon.
2 years ago
Anonymous
by keeping moving their would-be pursuers are forced to hunt easier game. their would-be pursuers were packs of cannibals, who'd obviously stop and eat if/when they found food. the fact they don't stop, don't need to hunt people for food, don't have much downtime, is their main advantage. the bunker strips them of that advantage.
this is implicit.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Makes no hunting sense. You find a prey, you catch it, which (if they were cannibals) would be easy to accomplish as they were better equipped and presumably more fit (the father was ill and the boy couldn't walk that fast either). You don't wait days and days, you close the deal.
Part of the story's appeal in this case is the twist I mentioned here
True. The narrative twist of them being "pursued" by the family that ultimately vowed to protect the boy (if they were being honest, which I assume they were) is ingenious.
The father's paranoia isn't totally out of the blue, but the objective fact that he felt that he was dying wanted to get the boy South in order to escape winter seems more evident as a motivator.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>it makes no sense to keep moving when being hunted by predators that will stop and eat for days at a time every time they catch prey
are you moronic? i think you might be.
2 years ago
Anonymous
No you imbecile, it makes no sense for the HUNTERS to leisurely pursue their prey when they could easily catch up and capture the guy and his son. Go be a clueless low IQ shut-in somewhere else
2 years ago
Anonymous
hunters are, by definition, opportunistic. denying them the opportunity is how you keep from being prey. every time they decide to keep moving when they have the option to linger, someone else chooses to linger, and becomes food.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>hunters are, by definition, opportunistic
Shut the frick up already. If the pursuers were the cannibals, they'd have an enormous advantage-- not to mention an urgent survival need-- to capture the dad/son at once. This wasn't fox hunting or those weird African tribal hunts were a guy pursues a gazelle until it drops dead from exhaustion.
We can't blame the father for not realizing that-- his caution was justified because he could reasonably assume they were being followed by a hostile group-- but what really pushed him was to get the boy away from the winter regions before dying. Apparently in the novel they find food/shelter twice: >As they near starvation, the pair discovers a concealed bunker filled with food, clothes, and other supplies. >They soon run out of supplies and begin to starve before finding a house containing more food to carry in their cart, but the man's condition worsens.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>they'd have an enormous advantage-- not to mention an urgent survival need-- to capture the dad/son at once.
correction, they'd have an enormous advantage/need to capture anything asap at lowest expenditure possible. ya know, like this dude
https://i.imgur.com/TpyRUJT.jpg
I want to see a post-apocalypse movie that maintains colorful and clean(er) clothing and people. Because that's the way things would be and the contrast of the situation.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The old dude wasn't in the picture. What the supposed cannibals had identified and targeted were the dad/son. Wasting time before capturing them meant letting them both get less physically/nutritionally valuable.
You have to defend it and anybody walking by is literally shooting fish in a barrel. He has a dumbass child who can blow their secret at any time too. And as other anon said, it's not going to look like a place untouched for 10 years, you just touched it and brought tracks to it.
partly because of his autistic obsession with reaching the coast, despite knowing there's almost certainly nothing there
partly because the way his wife killed herself so coldly and selfishly completely mindfricked him and left him intensely paranoid
when the other family shows up at the end and they've been finding enough food to feed a kid and a dog/have a loaded shotgun/the woman isn't a selfish thot who killed herself, the clear implication is that the boy's father was going about things in a completely moronic way. He tried his best, but he was kind of a crappy father through no fault of his own, who had a child with the wrong woman. the boy going with the new family is an allegory for growing up, realising your own parents were deeply flawed human beings, and creating your own family that will do better than they did. carrying the fire
seriously though frick his mom
My friends and I are into DnD but we did other RPG systems too and one time we decided to do a post apocalyptic game kinda based on STALKER so they were in a village miles from a ruined city and had to go get medicine from the hospital there which was held by another group. Gunfire ensued when they tried to do a prisoner exchange and one guys character died so he made a new character who was a captive of the bandits and he broke out and found the woman leading them (yeah not realistic whatever) and he beat her unconscious after shooting her in the arm, then found a scalpel and alcohol and surgically severed her spine so she couldn't move her legs. They killed the other bandits but kept her and considered either leaving her in the road to die of exposure and be eaten alive by mutant wolves and unable to move her legs so she could barely fight back, or leave her in the shallow part of the river through the city to flop about and eventually drown. Eventually they ended up just keeping her in a wheelchair and they ended up feeling bad for her, and later decided to go looking for medicine to save her from the spinal infection they'd caused her.
So if SHTF in real life someday, I'm avoiding those guys.
Perhaps real life won’t be like your nerd shit fantasies where laymen perform apocalyptic spinal surgery then carry the victim 2 miles just to lay them down in a river because they think it’s a “cool” way to kill them.
the bunker would have become their tomb, his whole motivation is to move south in the hopes its warmer and there the boy can out live him and continue.
if they stayed in the bunker that was in essence a decision to commit suicide because once the food ran out there would be no hope of leaving by that point.
1. Overestimating the tracks the Man would be leaving behind and the ability of others to follow them.
2. Neglecting to recognize just how dire the outside situation appears to be. It seems to only a matter of days before the area becomes fully deserted due to mass starvation.
01-10: Senior. You were already past middle age when it happened. How you've made it this long is a wonder, but the end is nearer than for most.
11-25 Wanderer: you ran out of supplies a long time ago, and the search for them has been the only thing that's kept you going. The road is your world, and the world is running out
26-40 Cannibal: meat is meat, and the strong eat. You're lucky enough to own livestock.
41-70 Warband: rape, murder, robbery, you don't even feel them anymore, they're just part of your animal instinct at this point.
71-85 Blood Cult: the hills are your home, and from them some great fires, great sacrifices and greater chanting
86-95 Commune member: a few places we're lucky enough to make it past the first year. Yours has been extra lucky.
96-00 DUMB: you live deep in Cheyenne mountain, or similar, in luxury for the rest of your days.
DUBS: you have found the bunker, you may rest
TRIPS: your quest is complete, immanetize the eschaton
Yeah, I'm sure your years of COD experience in your mothers basement will serve you well.
You won't even survive all the initial killings, larping homosexual, big mouths with small dicks are always the first to go.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Lmao you took that shit personal, do you not understand the point of a roll post? It's literally roleplay, and I had gotten warband. Take your fricking meds and go dilate
2 years ago
Anonymous
>backpedals because he knows he'd be dead as shit in a IRL collapse situation.
All I can do is kek.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Damn dude your ass blasted over a PrepHole roleplay. You could have posted some cool retort about how you guys had booby traps, or watch dogs, or surround your fence with heavy hedges of poison ivy. I mean come on man I went through the work of writing the roll table for us to have fun
How is there three of you pieces of shit lucky enough to get the underground base? Me and the boys are going to whip up some thermite and come punish you
the dad is dying and just kind of winging it and betting on there being something at the ocean. he's got no real plan since he's aware they're fricked. so he keeps moving, as long as they journey they're alive.
I want to see a post-apocalypse movie that maintains colorful and clean(er) clothing and people. Because that's the way things would be and the contrast of the situation.
it's a metaphor. on the journey of life, one will inevitably discover comfortable and safe places to settle down, but their comfort and safety is merely an illusion and settling down means abandoning your goal, the hard but 'right' decision is to move on and continue the hard journey to your destination, not to get sidetracked in a local minimum of comfort.
An alien fungus cloud passes over Earth from outer space and kills 99.99% of the world's mammal, bird, and reptile population overnight.
By sheer dumb luck you were immune and have survived along with about 8 million others across the planet.
Yes. Plants, invertebrates, most fish, bacteria and microscopic organisms have all survived without issue.
The resulting ecological crisis is something you will have to deal with.
There's not going to be any need to eat other people since you can still farm.
Your biggest immediate threat in this scenario is the environmental damage. All of the major cities are going to catch on fire and burn, releasing dangerous clouds of smoke that drift across the landscape for hundreds or thousands of miles. Chemical storage warehouses and plants will soon be damaged by nature and being leaking into the water supplies.
Brigands and warlords will become a threat but really there is quite a lot of space to between people if 99.99% of the population died.
I would think the toxic fumes and chemicals being released would be a short term issue that could be avoided just by waiting it out underground for a few weeks/months
2 years ago
Anonymous
It would be an ongoing issue for years as one storage facility after another begins leaking or burning.
Forest fires would be a major concern the first few years.
I think just for daily moving around in the environment when I am exploring new areas I'd have some kind of hazard suit built up for myself including gas mask and eye protection.
Don't want to get sick, snake bit, or poisoned.
Lots of nasty allergens in the environments sometimes when plants overgrow. Not just a little watery eyes either. Some stuff that will really mess you up. And who knows with the new ecosystem that will develop.
Or you could go somewhere not so green.
You don't want to be in the path of a hurricane or flood for sure.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>It would be an ongoing issue for years as one storage facility after another begins leaking or burning
You think those have been build with cardboard? It would take decades at least and even then you would have to be unlucky to be near one
City folk are the fricking scum of the Earth.
Please for the love of god, grow some potatoes for yourself and see how delicious they are
2 years ago
Anonymous
Oh you are fully off the grid huh? You never buy anything from the stores and grow all your food? Tell us more? The point was why the need for fishing anything other than for fun when food is literally everywhere because almost everyone is dead
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Yes. Plants, invertebrates, most fish, bacteria and microscopic organisms have all survived without issue.
Maybe you should read the reply chain, the post about fishing is literally talking about an alternate scenario
2 years ago
Anonymous
And canned food is everywhere, no need to farm or catch fish
2 years ago
Anonymous
>need
Yeah, there's no need to do anything other than base pure survival. But in the event of nearly every other human being gone, the knowledge that relying on the infrastructure would be incredibly easy, would give me enough of psychological comfort to want to try to live more naturally and take time to appreciate my new found solitude. Walden
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yes. Plants, invertebrates, most fish, bacteria and microscopic organisms have all survived without issue.
The resulting ecological crisis is something you will have to deal with.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Only cities have stores? I have seen multiple groceries in small dinky towns and villages. Where do you live?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Religious based anti-government paramilitary compound in the mountains
Lament the loss of my loved ones. Begin trying to write down as much as I could remember about my life.
Take my gear, and drive myself up to somewhere nice here in the mountains, and then sing into my rifle.
I went from being a piece of shit scumbag and going to prison, to getting out and becoming a good family man and dedicating my life to my family.
I would probably try to go out like the survivalist from lonesome hearts
That would leave around 40000 people in my home state, which is already not densely populated. And about 1 person per square mile.
Realistically I think I would aid in the recovery efforts that would begin. There would be sick, children, and elderly people among the survivors.
I'm sure survivalists (the greatest enemy in all post-apoc situations) would immediately lose their minds and start hoarding everything and shooting people, so I'd want to avoid that.
Mostly I figure I'd settle down in a nice big house (plenty of them to go around now) with my new wife and adopted children and try not to stir up trouble with the local feudal lord's forces while re-industrialization gets back underway.
>survivalists (the greatest enemy in all post-apoc situations)
Funny, I know many of these types from Idaho, Montana, Colorado, Florida, and even Illinois, they’re polite, friendly, helpful, and honorable.
Black folk are what you meant to say are the greatest threat in a post-apocalyptic world. In modern times, among civilized communities and nations, they regularly murder, rape, rob, and steal for little to no reason.
I come from the rural mountains of Colorado and this is true. I am Brown and some Nazi looking types hooked me up to a tow bar and pulled me into town when my car was broken
>What the supposed cannibals had identified and targeted where the dad/son.
go back up the reply chain and figure out where this idea entered your head. as i can't tell why you started repeating it, as i certainly never implied it.
This idea was abundantly evident in the narrative. The dad assumed they were being pursued, which they were (but not by cannibal/hunters-- it was the family).
BUT what led him to flee the bunker, at least in the movie were the dog's bark is absent, was the need to get the boy as far from the approaching winter as possible.
It was a precarious plan ofc, but both his suspicious (although unfounded) and his goal make sense.
the assumption is they are meat, and people are hunting meat, therefore they need to be difficult game.
still no idea where you got the idea anyone claimed a group of cannibals was locked onto them and chasing them exclusively.
First, a correction: they do hear noises in the movie while in the bunker. As for >the assumption is they are meat, and people are hunting meat, therefore they need to be difficult game.
Makes zero sense. The logic of the hunter is to hunt. >no idea where you got the idea anyone claimed a group of cannibals was locked onto them and chasing them exclusively.
The father assumes they were being pursued-- he even mistakenly kills a guy because of it.
I don't think he actually thought anyone in particular was actively pursuing them, but had just a general hypervigilant paranoia.
Yes he accused the wife of the man he murdered of following them, but he only initially attacked because of being shot first
not really. as one is based in a functional operative assumption, and the other is paranoia. as like whoever was screaming about earlier, if they were actually being pursued, they wouldn't have much time to be paranoid about it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Again: same difference. That wasn't a tactical game, it was a post-apocalyptic scenario. Decisions are spur of the moment. >if they were actually being pursued, they wouldn't have much time to be paranoid about it.
It's the other way around, you're mixing things up-- one thing fed off each other with credible motives.
2 years ago
Anonymous
to clarify >hypervigilant paranoia
functional operative assumption >being pursued
paranoia
i flipped them on purpose to see if it was easy to confuse you. it was.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Your backtracking doesn't help you save face-- in the movie's setting, "paranoia" and "being pursued" amount to the same thing-- the cause, although not quite exactly not in the way the father assumed, justifies the behavior. The wife says as much in the movie's 1st minutes: >They're gonna catch up with us and they're going to kill us.
2 years ago
Anonymous
bruh, i'm not the one who needs to save face here. you're legitimately moronic.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The fact you keeping replying only makes your embarrassment and the otherwise obvious midwit nature of your reasoning attempts more evident. I understand your frustration because you're an idiot.
2 years ago
Anonymous
ever consider that's all entirely in your head and in reality you're being laughed at for being a moron? you are the same guy who can't understand why keeping moving is better than sitting in a hole, right?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Shut up already, what part of you're an idiot who's out of your depth you didn't understand?
2 years ago
Anonymous
its okay if you don't understand cormac mccarthy. his books/works require more than a surface level analysis to really grasp. no need to get angry on PrepHole.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Pity you don't understand we're discussing the movie, which differs from the novel. Good job telling the world you haven't read it while pretending to have done so, midwit
2 years ago
Anonymous
we're discussing both, how they're related, and how there didn't need to be a dog sniffing around to feed the assumption the bunker wasn't safe.
its okay though, i know its difficult to understand that, in a dead world, tracks/trails become easier to follow, stay around longer, and the survivors would need to be decent trackers in order to consistently find food.
Every movie decision ever can be explained with "it will make the movie more interesting". Do you want a movie where they are safe, well fed and have no conflicts? Just living in a bunker. >inb4 contrarians
The world around them so bleak that even a glimmer of hope feels like a trap and too good to be true. They got to take a break from it all and breathe. The father's dread of the moment it was going to go wrong, because it always does, made him too anxious to want to stay.
Symbolically OP its because The Man realizes that the time to merely survive is over and the time to rebuild is now.
He's carried the fire as far as he can. Ironically the traits that made him ideally suited for weathering The End make him completely unsuited for The New Beginning. That ironic tragedy is the whole point of the novel and the film maintains it.
Both movies make you think the MC, out of sheer will and perseverance, will go through the hardships of the movie.
In both cases, coincidentally, the end message was "See, you just needed to cower yourself in a corner like the rest!"
I think I disagree with that.
At no point did the main character cower in a corner like a victim. But yes, sometimes tragedies have bad endings. Not every protagonist has a hero's journey, and not every hero's journey ends in salvation
>Not every protagonist has a hero's journey, and not every hero's journey ends in salvation
If you can point me to a couple relatively known examples of those, I can point you as to how the writers didn't make it "dishonest" >At no point did the main character cower in a corner like a victim.
Exactly my point.
In both movies, the hero could have "won" the movie by cowering in a corner like a victim.
His perseverance and will to live and endure hardship is not rewarded.
Exactly my point on why is "dishonest"
I'm not exactly sure why you would call that dishonest, considering that existence itself proves that will and perseverance are not enough alone to ensure survival, let alone a thriving existence.
I suppose if I was to give you one example off the top of my head, I could think of Edward Stark from game of thrones. I'm here certainly a paragon of will end perseverance, but still in a way that led him into choices that had massively detrimental effects for himself and his loved ones
2 years ago
Anonymous
>considering that existence itself proves that will and perseverance are not enough alone to ensure survival, let alone a thriving existence.
Aah, but the vital dishonest point, is the >are not enough alone
point. Again, in both movies, cowering and DOING NOTHING, was the path to ensure survival.
I'm not saying they didn't try hard enough, or were outwitted, or simply it was an unachievable goal. That would be fine. The problem is the end punch to the guts for shock value. That the ones that survived, are the ones that did nothing.
Edward Stark didn't endure hardship, he was just a cool dude that was killed. . And his death even catapulted others moving up, not cowarding more. My point is not that "good people shouldn't die".
2 years ago
Anonymous
I guess I am having a hard time getting it. So when you say that something is dishonest, what exactly is the failed implication, and what is implying it?
I mean there are so many examples of tragedies where the protagonist ends up significantly worse off than he started
2 years ago
Anonymous
Another way to see this:
It's not what the characters knows, but what the audience gets.
It's not about the character.
Character can be dead.
It's the post tragedy scene, showing the "good ending" path, not to the character, but to the viewer.
Like you are watching a whole movie about character A and B, that they split at the beginning, and you follow A on the movie, and by the end, A dies, and they show you a scene of B succeding.
It's like a frick you to the viewer saying "haha, the good ending movie was the other one"
2 years ago
Anonymous
I would would have to contradict that. Tragedy can absolutely incorporate the futility of existence, , the end of an era, and the passing of a torch.
Like I said, there are countless good storytelling examples of this very thing happening.
The walking Dead telltale game is probably one of my favorite examples of this, and the story is all the much stronger for it
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Like I said, there are countless good storytelling examples of this very thing happening.
But the best examples you could produce was a videogame and game of thrones
2 years ago
Anonymous
Great expectations, pips tragedy is almost entirely defined by his aspirations, and how they failed him.
Pretty much all of Shakespeare comes to mind, hamlet, macbeth, Romeo and juliet, Julius Caesar.
V for vendetta, and watchmen are good examples if you like graphic novels.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Great expectations, pips tragedy is almost entirely defined by his aspirations, and how they failed him. >Pretty much all of Shakespeare comes to mind, hamlet, macbeth, Romeo and juliet, Julius Caesar. >V for vendetta, and watchmen are good examples if you like graphic novels.
None of those ended with a scene of the deuteragonist persevering over the mc.
Not even watchmen because both comic and movie ends with uncertainty of the other path, the one that struggled less, persevered.
A dishonest take is the Queen not dying and marrying Horatio or V's bomb's not working, all shown at the last 15 seconds of the movie
2 years ago
Anonymous
What about the lord of the rings? The entire struggle was entirely pointless given that God was responsible in the end
2 years ago
Anonymous
Struggle of the character is so rewarded he goes to heaven, anon
And sam gets pussy
It individually paid off
2 years ago
Anonymous
lol you are actually autistic. Not everything has to be existent in a vacuum
In the book it was because a dog started sniffing around and found the entrance. And being stuck in a hole if someone finds you you're dead because they can just smoke you out.
ok.
But wasn't your complaint about protagonists that die futilely?
You explicitly mentioned the mist as an example, don't know what that has to do with the deuterprotagonist
Did he escape Auschwitz or something? Who is this guy?
zoomers die
Joel from The Last of Us.
He was afraid of being trapped in it and knew he had to keep moving.
because if anybody else found the bunker they were guaranteed dead, it was wiser to take what they could and move on
>sleep somewhere that has remained hidden, is safe, and overstocked
>sleep in the open and spend all day on through fares, with dwindling supplies
maybe I'm just autistt
The character's logic was if he could find it then someone else could and then rape his son for eternity
>hmmm I seem to have struck gold, which means others know that gold is here. Time to go and die poor in the woods
Brainlet idiot MC
>find gold in place you don't own/control
if you don't get it out of the ground as quickly as possible, others will steal it, yes.
First of all, no.
Secondly he’s far easier to find on the road.
Third if it comes to a fight he has defensive advantage in the bunker.
*drops dead body down the hatch and waits a week*
its easy to find anything/anyplace people are near, have found, etc. the bunker was only safe/hidden when it was undiscovered.
How on earth are you not worried about other people screwing with the air supply or something? I have to wonder if people who think this way have never been at the mercy of dumb dickheads who take things too far too often. Sure, it's all still there so no one rlse has found it yet, but if even a single one does they're fricked. Ever hear about the red haired giants in Canada? The local tribes all got together and cornered them in a cave, started fires at the entrance and killed them all.
I've only seen the movie and I remember the dog walking around while they're below listening. People ITT saying "no one would find it" except he had pretty tangible proof that they were poking around, IIRC more than once.
>he has defensive advantage in the bunker.
lol
harder to catch a moving target.
like when you're lost in the woods, they say to stay in one spot. Higher chance for a search party to find you.
that's because a search party is supposed to roughly know your initial position
Also because it is more difficult to intercept a moving object
>frog poster
Btw who are you quoting
is the book worth it if you've seen the movie?
Every single Cormac McCarthy book is worth it. Start with the road, and then hit blood meridian if you liked it
Blood Meridian is great. And I finally get Owen Wilson's character in The Royal Tenenbaums
the road is an easy read but i would not recommend blood meridian right after that. i would go with the border trilogy, suttree and ncfom before blood meridian, then the rest of his books
Nice dogshit Taurus homosexual
Week b8
I always find it funny whenever i read the Coca-Cola scene
Every single Cormac McCarthy book is shit
Damn you're right, thank you for enlightening me. Who would you recommend?
you're not gonna take anything I say seriously, so Ayn Rand I guess. gay.
I actually read a lot, and I believe that the best things to read are things that can cause you to reevaluate your beliefs.
And I have read some Ayn rand, didn't really care for it. I can parse her intention, but she writes so dry and pedantically
my problem with McCarthy:
>le universe will devour you
>le forces of evil are simply self-interested
>le protagonist will fall and maybe you will get some consolation
Yeah, in that sense he actually quite reminds me of lovecraft's cosmic horror concept set within the underbelly of Americana.
Not sure exactly how those things make him a bad author, but it's certainly not for everyone's taste.
bro I read the Road and watched NCfOM
that's it
I don't care about Cormack and my complaints are superficial HS level shit
it's easy to pick on grimdark authors because of tropes
jobbies are gay
Oh yeah, grimdark is way too overdone, but it also isn't meant to be taken incredibly seriously.
No, like I said, that was the first one off the top of my head, and then one of my favorites, I'll go ahead and start linking some more
Honestly almost all writers are total homosexuals because most sane people will pursue an actual career.
The book is darker than the movie
Does the kid get raped to death at the end?
Yes but it's very bleak.
Definitely, the film is like the book turned down to 50% intensity. It's also pretty short but McCarthy's prose is fantastic and unique.
Frick no. His "writing style" is unreadable trash, and his pretentious fans actually praise it.
Ignoring basic grammar and punctuation doesn't make his books good. You're a pseud.
Yes, I absolutely am a pseudo intellectual. But luckily most people are moronic enough to wear that is enough to convince them that you are a genius.
Now explain to me why I should think about this negatively
>to wear
see what happens when you read McCarthy's shit?
For what it's worth, I'm drunk as shit and using speech to text.
But I don't think I would describe mccormy's books as intellectual at all, more or less just slow burn tragedies.
his pseud fans will say shit like
>his prose is unique and amazing wow!
and it's literally 2 straight pages of a single run-on sentence, with no punctuation or any other basic grammar. You can like his stories but the writing is dogshit.
He's not the first critically acclaimed writer to do so.
your point? pseuds praise dogshit, no kidding.
the water chip will malfunction in 100 days
If you read the book, you'd know
I have. And?
You clearly have not. It was also in the movie if you listened.
>Black person refuses to make point, just acts like a Black person
typical lmoa
You sound more like a Black person trying to pretend you read a book when you clearly haven't.
>lmoa
I just marathoned the entire movie, ask me anything
>frog
>doesn't remember rp roll threads
teehee
>marathoned
>1 movie
There is disgusting implication here that you normally watch movies in parts across multiple sitting.
It's really late so I'm going to be nice, but this is a very common meme on this board, to reference marathoning a movie, implying the very thing you stated.
I implore that you please look here for at least six more months before you post again
I don't read books written by illiterate homosexuals who can't grasp grammar
Once the food runs out its time to move on
There was literally more food than they could take with them, he left behind weeks if not months worth of supplies
Had to keep carrying the fire
Why was his son such a useless fricking pussy?
in the book they hear a dog on top of the bunker, which indicates the cannibalistic raiders are probably around. it was just a matter of time before they were found and in the bunker there's nowhere to go.
Be honest: in an apocalypse situation like this would you try to be moral, or start doing evil shit?
>survival is le evil
Frick off, survival of the fittest.
You can be good AND survive you turbo autism.
Cool story gays, tell that to the lions and hyenas and bears and wolves. You can be prey animals if you want but don't blame me for the rules nature invented. The weak are meat and the strong do eat.
>The weak are meat and the strong do eat.
I would warn you not to cut yourself on your own edge, but I bet you're so limp-wristed that you are the kind of man who can't even swim.
When the apocalypse happens I'm going to crush your hands and break out all of your teeth and make you my catamite
Not if I eat you first, b***h
>t. the first to die in a real apocalypse scenario because he doesn't know how to cooperate with others
Keep avoiding the points that were brought up and go on spouting the usual "guys guys look, I'm going to be a hecking raider, bcs nature n shieeet" nonsense, as if it's a valid argumentation
>but don't blame me for the rules nature invented
ironically but appropriately, submitting yourself to the rules of nature is the weakest thing a man can do. its historically the comforting cope for women
Black folk who talk tough like this would be the type of clown who gets smoked in a second by some soft former office worker with a shotgun. You have no idea what you’re talking about.
I look like a stereotypical incel, but I don't tell most people how I did 4 years in a maximum security prison, and before that lived on my own as a teenager for 3 years in the worst neighborhood in my state, go to kickboxing weekly, and own multiple firearms.
I am literally banking on my ability to appear small
How is eating babies and having a gang of catamites survival?
Today I learned a new word.
Having to make extremely hard choices in order to survive is different from being downright evil.
There's a big difference between that soccer team that had to eat their friends after the plane crash, and the house full of cannibals in this movie
I would try to be moral.
I’d start killing minorities right away
I love how the one Black person in the movie is a thief who had his thumbs removed for punishment, and speaks ebonics. I was hoping he was going to shoot him, but honestly leaving him there naked to die of exposure was probably funnier
This.
Damn, I must’ve missed him having no thumbs. That actually gives me a lot of hope, it means there was someone out there, presumably with the power to capture, detain, and punish the black, while maintaining a sense of law. After realizing it was his second offense of stealing, Viggo should’ve killed him.
I think leaving the Black person completely naked near sundown at the beach to die of exposure is about as close as he could get to a lynching.
But also something that bothers me, the man who rescues the boy at the end, also has his thumbs removed
I don't think the thumbs were removed by others due to stealing. Many people resorted to eating their own fingers so as not to starve.
>people resorted to eating their own fingers so as not to starve.
I'm sorry but this is the worst take I've seen in a while. You do realize that fingers have literally no muscle inside of them, right? Let alone, even if you were to eat them, the caloric intake versus the extreme loss of survivability would not make it worth it
You wouldn't eat your fricking thumbs moron. It's the most important tool on the human body.
WHO THE FRICK CUTS OFF THEIR OWN MEATLESS THUMBS TO EAT
It could’ve been he tried to steal food for his family and got them cut.
I'm a born follower and would attach myself to the first group that offered/needed another land. Which one probably result in me getting fricking killed.
You would have been one of the supplementary catamites lol
Me in the back.
They used to tell me I'd never have a girlfriend, so I became the girlfriend!
Cooperate and work together with like-minded people. Which is what you should be doing rn apocalypse or not btw
>Cooperate and work together with like-minded people
ah, almost missed this little tidbit of antisemitism. go frick yourself.
We should unironically imitate the israelites in terms of group protection, do what they do and more.
PrepHole talks a lot of shit but I feel like most would be extremely extremely jaded but ultimately good despite their outlook.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/KnightInSourArmor
would prob cry
Moral, but not stupidly so. Not above killing.
If it was that bad you're better off killing yourself.
realistically speaking being moral is your best chance at survival, you're more likely to survive by building a community with like minded people than by just attacking anyone you see.
and what happens when your like-minded community encounters a roving pack of like-minded cannibals who eat anyone who isn't of like mind?
You fight them off. Kill them if need be.
self defense is still the moral thing to do
The counter to this is when you build a community there are many more mouths to feed. This is a world where there is no ability to grow food. No wild animals. Basically all of the food left in existence is stuff that has been previously canned before it all went to shit. If you build a big community like that every morsel you find now has to be shared amongst the group. It wouldn't be sustainable. Eventually the group will start to tear itself apart when it gets hungry enough and then it becomes a waiting game for one person's sense of hunger to be stronger than that sense of morality and community.
>This is a world where there is no ability to grow food.
There is no real plausible scenario for this the way we see the world in the film.
It's been awhile since I read it but I'm pretty sure this was a thing. It doesn't make any sense why they are killing each other for food if you can just go out and farm.
In the novels harsh setting the best bet would be a small social group focused on extensive scavenging, building a remote, preferably underground living space and trying to make do with whatever you manage to scrape.
>realistically speaking being moral is your best chance at survival
Exactly. Morality and social cohesion (that is, sharing duties and protecting each other) are the best strategies for human survival.
Hard to say since I'm sitting here not currently starving to death. I would like to think I would be moral but I guess you never really know until you are in that situation.
Only Amerisharts and everyone equally rotten by their media thinks that just killing everyone for dwindling stock of perishable goods is the way to "survive" in apocalyptic situation.
In all real countries people will band together to pull through, like we as human species are programmed to do.
I will eat your family first and you last
Much like the template reddltor, you're talking out of your gaping ass. This is mostly banter, in reality Americans are historically very socially cohesive-- the Pilgrims survived, thrived and built a civilization, whereas warring tribes in Africa and the Middle East still try to kill each other to this very day.
Way to miss the point entirely burger.
The american society USED to be based on banding together to tame the wilds. Then you invented unchecked capitalism and Hollywood started churning out media that aims to rewrite the collective psyche of Americans into thinking that the american way was always to just take what you want and to frick over your fellow man, just so the average American would think the oligarchs that now rule them and frick them in the add every chance they get are something to look up to, rather than something to keep in check or murder.
Hell, "The Wild West" actually historically saw less gun violence than modern US, but you morons keep thinking it was some lawless hell scape where only the psychopaths that draw first survived.
Your society is done for, and you did it to yourselves.
>Hell, "The Wild West" actually historically saw less gun violence than modern US
Yes, this is why gun ownership is a good thing, I don't know why that is so hard for you third worlders to understand
Did I say anything about gun ownership, moron?
I probably own more guns than you do in my Nordic utopia.
>Nordic utopia
>Refugee utopia
He is one of the most successful American authors of all time lol
The second an identifiable threat shows up Americans will rally together-- in fact this is gradually happening because people are realizing they have a fringe of enemies inside the country trying to sow divisiveness.
You morons can't even agree that Russia is your enemy.
There is no hope left for US.
Wherever you're from, you're worse off, it's exceedingly unlikely you're in a better position than the Americans. You'd probably be assigned catamite duties within 15 mins after the start of the apocalypse.
You are delusional.
Keep stocking up on iodine, limp-wristed shut-in. I doubt you have ever been in any kind of physical confrontation and irl you're probably a chickenshit homosexual. Man up you shitty homo
>a fringe of enemies inside the country trying to sow divisiveness
What, like 60% of the population?
No, a fringe. The USA is
60% white
95% heterosexual
Non-whites and gays aren't necessarily the enemy-- only the extremist fringes among them. A shrill minority whose time is running out because the inevitable nature of history is that extremism brings about its own destruction.
Your number would only mean something if whites and heterosexuals stuck with their own. Which they don't and never will because muh white supremacy boogeyman and muh homophobia cudgel. Your fringe minority has been running the news, universities and the entertainment industry for decades now. The overton window is shifting further and further to the left and I don't see that changing in the near future tbh.
>If an object A exerts a force on object B, then object B must exert a force of equal magnitude and opposite direction back on object A.
Except object B got guilted into not pushing back and now moves whereever object A pleases.
The pendulum of history is automatic because attempts to influence it only make the backlash even more inevitable.
I hope you're right about that, meng. I really do.
The spiral recurses in and out of itself, and all things flow according to the whims of the great magnet
>Americans will rally together
The entire premise of the story is that the food chain is fubar and there is no hope whatsoever. It is completely impossible to make new food and all multicellular lifeforms are going to be extinct within a decade. The pointlessness of their efforts to survive serve as the backdrop to the central moral dilemma of whether to "keep carrying the fire" knowing it won't amount to anything in practical terms.
>acquire assless chaps
>acquire motorcycle
>acquire wasteland twink
Frick it. We mad max now.
I would commit rape and murder on a daily, if not hourly, basis.
rape, lots and lots of rape
I would probably steal but I really don’t see myself ever eating a baby.
I’d rather just die.
I imagine the average basement dweller has more than enough stored fat to last him a while before starving, lmao
That is what fat is intended to do in an ideal situation, but they do not have the metabolism or cardiovascular fortitude to properly utilize their energy reserves
Karma exists in some form whenever you are dealing with people. I once was late to a tinder date and speeding and driving like an butthole, and come to find one of the people I cut off was my date.
I would act relatively civilized as long as the people around me do, but of course be ready for bullshit at a moments notice because overarching authority no longer exists and people already act crazy with it.
i would find some sweet cuncun to protect and take care of and make love to until death. although i once saw a dream that made me realize it isnt necessary to wait for apocalypse to do that - there are already many wartorn countries and wastelands where parents are willing to sell their precious cuncuns for a low price. maybe ill move to syria, afghanistan, yemen, or even ukraine one day soon
I was more confused on why the wife/mom walked off into the night and left her family behind.
Because there was no future for her besides suffering, hunger and eventually watching her young son be used as a rape-sleeve before she herself was used the same way before likely being eaten limb by limb.
Exactly. The one explanation that seems reasonable is that he was in a hurry to get his son south.
The explanation that he was afraid to be found makes no sense because there was no indication they were being followed (though they were by the family). It would have been improbable if they kept quiet and only left briefly during the day to go to the bathroom.
But it's an interesting narrative detail to ponder why the father decided to do what he did.
like another homosexual said, in the book he hears a dog. which means the only reason the bunker hadn't been found already, is because no one had been anywhere near it for years. but now that he's in it, there's a trail to it that others can follow.
So instead of being somewhere hidden and supplied, he would rather just be out in the open. Don't you remember what happened when they tried sleeping in the van?
the point you missed is the bunker stops being hidden once they find it. because others can, and will, follow them to it.
The assumption being that the dog could sniff them out. OK, that'd make sense though it's still a toss-up.
the "assumption" is the only reason the bunker hadn't been discovered for a decade is because no one had been near it for a decade. by stumbling on it, being in it, the bunker has been made easily findable by others.
That doesn't make a lot of sense because it could remain hidden from the outside. ONLY a dog following their scent would reasonably justify the dad's decision to keep moving. Otherwise they could bet on not being found out.
If there is someone who still has enough of their wits left to use a dog to search for food that person could potentially become an ally. Or at least a protector for the Boy.
Most of the maniacs left in the world would have just eaten the dog.
True. The narrative twist of them being "pursued" by the family that ultimately vowed to protect the boy (if they were being honest, which I assume they were) is ingenious.
The father's paranoia isn't totally out of the blue, but the objective fact that he felt that he was dying wanted to get the boy South in order to escape winter seems more evident as a motivator.
This. That was the point in showing the dog and the Nuclear Family survivors. There were many indicators that they were good people and would take care of the boy. The ambiguity of the ending only pertained to the state of Earth, but the movie was intentional portraying the family as good.
what part of
>they leave a trail a mile wide that is easily followed
are you unable to grasp? the bunker was safe before they got there. if they could've teleported there from miles away, it would be safe. but since they had to leave a trail to get there, and by being there, generate evidence they are there, the bunker isn't safe.
dog is basically inedible to non-asians, not much meat either. asians like it because ghengis khan liked the way suffering tasted.
>they leave a trail a mile wide that is easily followed
Evidence for this from the film?
A normal person walking across firm ground doesn't leave much of a trail. You have to know what you're looking for to follow it.
>You have to know what you're looking for to follow it.
everyone who's still alive knows what they're doing
Some more of a "I'm willing to kill and eat other people to survive and I'm lucky" thing than a "I have survived due to my above average hunting and tracking skills" thing.
By staying in the bunker and letting someone track you there you would roll the dice on someone finding you who isn't quite insane yet. Someone who might just allow you to leave peacefully if there are still more supplies for them. Or you can band with them.
>dog is basically inedible to non-asians, not much meat either
First of all: that is not true.
Second: if you're starving you'll eat anything. Rationality doesn't figure into it.
>they leave a trail a mile wide that is easily followed
The part where this is nowhere clearcut. If their pursuers wanted to catch them, they'd have caught up with them easily a lot sooner. Unless there is a good dog involved, it is by no means inevitable that they would have been followed precisely to the bunker, this is not a Bugs Bunny cartoon.
by keeping moving their would-be pursuers are forced to hunt easier game. their would-be pursuers were packs of cannibals, who'd obviously stop and eat if/when they found food. the fact they don't stop, don't need to hunt people for food, don't have much downtime, is their main advantage. the bunker strips them of that advantage.
this is implicit.
Makes no hunting sense. You find a prey, you catch it, which (if they were cannibals) would be easy to accomplish as they were better equipped and presumably more fit (the father was ill and the boy couldn't walk that fast either). You don't wait days and days, you close the deal.
Part of the story's appeal in this case is the twist I mentioned here
>it makes no sense to keep moving when being hunted by predators that will stop and eat for days at a time every time they catch prey
are you moronic? i think you might be.
No you imbecile, it makes no sense for the HUNTERS to leisurely pursue their prey when they could easily catch up and capture the guy and his son. Go be a clueless low IQ shut-in somewhere else
hunters are, by definition, opportunistic. denying them the opportunity is how you keep from being prey. every time they decide to keep moving when they have the option to linger, someone else chooses to linger, and becomes food.
>hunters are, by definition, opportunistic
Shut the frick up already. If the pursuers were the cannibals, they'd have an enormous advantage-- not to mention an urgent survival need-- to capture the dad/son at once. This wasn't fox hunting or those weird African tribal hunts were a guy pursues a gazelle until it drops dead from exhaustion.
We can't blame the father for not realizing that-- his caution was justified because he could reasonably assume they were being followed by a hostile group-- but what really pushed him was to get the boy away from the winter regions before dying. Apparently in the novel they find food/shelter twice:
>As they near starvation, the pair discovers a concealed bunker filled with food, clothes, and other supplies.
>They soon run out of supplies and begin to starve before finding a house containing more food to carry in their cart, but the man's condition worsens.
>they'd have an enormous advantage-- not to mention an urgent survival need-- to capture the dad/son at once.
correction, they'd have an enormous advantage/need to capture anything asap at lowest expenditure possible. ya know, like this dude
The old dude wasn't in the picture. What the supposed cannibals had identified and targeted were the dad/son. Wasting time before capturing them meant letting them both get less physically/nutritionally valuable.
You have to be smelling your own farts to think that something you found won't be found by others.
The bunker had been untouched for 10 years. Please explain to me how being there is somehow less safe than sleeping in the open on the road
because being there means there's a trail to it
Yeah and there's a literal trail that they leave behind them walking down the road as well.
So being out in the literal open, walking along the one place where people travel, is smarter?
yes, mobility is safer than immobility. being able to see is safer than being blind. being able to hear is safer than being deaf.
You have to defend it and anybody walking by is literally shooting fish in a barrel. He has a dumbass child who can blow their secret at any time too. And as other anon said, it's not going to look like a place untouched for 10 years, you just touched it and brought tracks to it.
partly because of his autistic obsession with reaching the coast, despite knowing there's almost certainly nothing there
partly because the way his wife killed herself so coldly and selfishly completely mindfricked him and left him intensely paranoid
when the other family shows up at the end and they've been finding enough food to feed a kid and a dog/have a loaded shotgun/the woman isn't a selfish thot who killed herself, the clear implication is that the boy's father was going about things in a completely moronic way. He tried his best, but he was kind of a crappy father through no fault of his own, who had a child with the wrong woman. the boy going with the new family is an allegory for growing up, realising your own parents were deeply flawed human beings, and creating your own family that will do better than they did. carrying the fire
seriously though frick his mom
Your post could almost be about Captain Fantastic
My friends and I are into DnD but we did other RPG systems too and one time we decided to do a post apocalyptic game kinda based on STALKER so they were in a village miles from a ruined city and had to go get medicine from the hospital there which was held by another group. Gunfire ensued when they tried to do a prisoner exchange and one guys character died so he made a new character who was a captive of the bandits and he broke out and found the woman leading them (yeah not realistic whatever) and he beat her unconscious after shooting her in the arm, then found a scalpel and alcohol and surgically severed her spine so she couldn't move her legs. They killed the other bandits but kept her and considered either leaving her in the road to die of exposure and be eaten alive by mutant wolves and unable to move her legs so she could barely fight back, or leave her in the shallow part of the river through the city to flop about and eventually drown. Eventually they ended up just keeping her in a wheelchair and they ended up feeling bad for her, and later decided to go looking for medicine to save her from the spinal infection they'd caused her.
So if SHTF in real life someday, I'm avoiding those guys.
Perhaps real life won’t be like your nerd shit fantasies where laymen perform apocalyptic spinal surgery then carry the victim 2 miles just to lay them down in a river because they think it’s a “cool” way to kill them.
>haha actually if he'd just stopped he would have met those other people
Stopped watching when the kid went off with them.
That's the end of the movie you fricking moron
Do a 360 and get out of here.
> moron
Stopped reading there.
the bunker would have become their tomb, his whole motivation is to move south in the hopes its warmer and there the boy can out live him and continue.
if they stayed in the bunker that was in essence a decision to commit suicide because once the food ran out there would be no hope of leaving by that point.
he knew they were being followed and couldn't risk it not knowing who it was was and what were their intentions.
Because they had to follow The Road™
Two things are sticking out to me
1. Overestimating the tracks the Man would be leaving behind and the ability of others to follow them.
2. Neglecting to recognize just how dire the outside situation appears to be. It seems to only a matter of days before the area becomes fully deserted due to mass starvation.
ROLL FOR YOUR FACTION/OUTCOME
01-10: Senior. You were already past middle age when it happened. How you've made it this long is a wonder, but the end is nearer than for most.
11-25 Wanderer: you ran out of supplies a long time ago, and the search for them has been the only thing that's kept you going. The road is your world, and the world is running out
26-40 Cannibal: meat is meat, and the strong eat. You're lucky enough to own livestock.
41-70 Warband: rape, murder, robbery, you don't even feel them anymore, they're just part of your animal instinct at this point.
71-85 Blood Cult: the hills are your home, and from them some great fires, great sacrifices and greater chanting
86-95 Commune member: a few places we're lucky enough to make it past the first year. Yours has been extra lucky.
96-00 DUMB: you live deep in Cheyenne mountain, or similar, in luxury for the rest of your days.
DUBS: you have found the bunker, you may rest
TRIPS: your quest is complete, immanetize the eschaton
Roll
Sorry old man, but you've got two choices. Pop out the dentures, warm my wiener, and then carry my gear, or I'm taking your shoes
I would opt for the former, but it's foolish to ask for luxuries in times like these
Tell you what, you've got one day to prove yourself useful to me and I might keep you along for longer than it takes for you to die of neglect.
here we go
Black person
Rollin’
Hope you feel safe down there. Insanity will take you faster than the world will take me.
nervous roll
You lucky frickers
Frick it. Let's go.
plz no cannibal
Rollin
Let me live
roll roll gently down the thread
sneed
rolling
roll
Big saggy grandpa balls
Enjoy it while it lasts
I will, it's literally better than being underground with "them"
Until me and my hit squad infiltrate your little gayot compound, claim all of your women, and cripple all of your men.
Start fattening up for me piggy
Yeah, I'm sure your years of COD experience in your mothers basement will serve you well.
You won't even survive all the initial killings, larping homosexual, big mouths with small dicks are always the first to go.
Lmao you took that shit personal, do you not understand the point of a roll post? It's literally roleplay, and I had gotten warband. Take your fricking meds and go dilate
>backpedals because he knows he'd be dead as shit in a IRL collapse situation.
All I can do is kek.
Damn dude your ass blasted over a PrepHole roleplay. You could have posted some cool retort about how you guys had booby traps, or watch dogs, or surround your fence with heavy hedges of poison ivy. I mean come on man I went through the work of writing the roll table for us to have fun
>All I see from my uninterested glance is seeth
>doesn't know how to greentext
Rulling
Your faction and mine have an uneasy truce. But do not cross our border
Wander roll.
How is there three of you pieces of shit lucky enough to get the underground base? Me and the boys are going to whip up some thermite and come punish you
ok
FINALLY an ally. Help me team up and get this gayot and his little vegan hippie band
rolleee
Roll
Looks like your pic related is you and your gear. You might have that old grandpa badassery, let's see how far it can take you
rolliNG
Here we go!
the dad is dying and just kind of winging it and betting on there being something at the ocean. he's got no real plan since he's aware they're fricked. so he keeps moving, as long as they journey they're alive.
Why was the son so homosexual and effeminate? He acts like a toddler but looks at least 10
Catamite
I want to see a post-apocalypse movie that maintains colorful and clean(er) clothing and people. Because that's the way things would be and the contrast of the situation.
It's kind of post post apocalypse, but into the Badlands has a nice aesthetic
too bad literally everything else about it is absolute shit
Apologize.
watched this while really druk
don't remember much about it but it made me extremely sad
it's a metaphor. on the journey of life, one will inevitably discover comfortable and safe places to settle down, but their comfort and safety is merely an illusion and settling down means abandoning your goal, the hard but 'right' decision is to move on and continue the hard journey to your destination, not to get sidetracked in a local minimum of comfort.
An alien fungus cloud passes over Earth from outer space and kills 99.99% of the world's mammal, bird, and reptile population overnight.
By sheer dumb luck you were immune and have survived along with about 8 million others across the planet.
Now what do you do?
Are there still plants?
Yes. Plants, invertebrates, most fish, bacteria and microscopic organisms have all survived without issue.
The resulting ecological crisis is something you will have to deal with.
I suppose I'd try foraging and fishing as long as that'll keep me alive. Would eat other people who want to take my shit
There's not going to be any need to eat other people since you can still farm.
Your biggest immediate threat in this scenario is the environmental damage. All of the major cities are going to catch on fire and burn, releasing dangerous clouds of smoke that drift across the landscape for hundreds or thousands of miles. Chemical storage warehouses and plants will soon be damaged by nature and being leaking into the water supplies.
Brigands and warlords will become a threat but really there is quite a lot of space to between people if 99.99% of the population died.
I would think the toxic fumes and chemicals being released would be a short term issue that could be avoided just by waiting it out underground for a few weeks/months
It would be an ongoing issue for years as one storage facility after another begins leaking or burning.
Forest fires would be a major concern the first few years.
I think just for daily moving around in the environment when I am exploring new areas I'd have some kind of hazard suit built up for myself including gas mask and eye protection.
Don't want to get sick, snake bit, or poisoned.
Lots of nasty allergens in the environments sometimes when plants overgrow. Not just a little watery eyes either. Some stuff that will really mess you up. And who knows with the new ecosystem that will develop.
Or you could go somewhere not so green.
You don't want to be in the path of a hurricane or flood for sure.
>It would be an ongoing issue for years as one storage facility after another begins leaking or burning
You think those have been build with cardboard? It would take decades at least and even then you would have to be unlucky to be near one
You could eat canned food for decades, stores are full
City folk are the fricking scum of the Earth.
Please for the love of god, grow some potatoes for yourself and see how delicious they are
Oh you are fully off the grid huh? You never buy anything from the stores and grow all your food? Tell us more? The point was why the need for fishing anything other than for fun when food is literally everywhere because almost everyone is dead
>Yes. Plants, invertebrates, most fish, bacteria and microscopic organisms have all survived without issue.
Maybe you should read the reply chain, the post about fishing is literally talking about an alternate scenario
And canned food is everywhere, no need to farm or catch fish
>need
Yeah, there's no need to do anything other than base pure survival. But in the event of nearly every other human being gone, the knowledge that relying on the infrastructure would be incredibly easy, would give me enough of psychological comfort to want to try to live more naturally and take time to appreciate my new found solitude. Walden
Only cities have stores? I have seen multiple groceries in small dinky towns and villages. Where do you live?
Religious based anti-government paramilitary compound in the mountains
Rape
What are you gonna rape? A catfish? There ain't gonna be women around for miles and miles and miles.
life finds a way
Lament the loss of my loved ones. Begin trying to write down as much as I could remember about my life.
Take my gear, and drive myself up to somewhere nice here in the mountains, and then sing into my rifle.
Seems rather rash decision considering there are still many people left in the world to start over with.
I went from being a piece of shit scumbag and going to prison, to getting out and becoming a good family man and dedicating my life to my family.
I would probably try to go out like the survivalist from lonesome hearts
That would leave around 40000 people in my home state, which is already not densely populated. And about 1 person per square mile.
Realistically I think I would aid in the recovery efforts that would begin. There would be sick, children, and elderly people among the survivors.
I'm sure survivalists (the greatest enemy in all post-apoc situations) would immediately lose their minds and start hoarding everything and shooting people, so I'd want to avoid that.
Mostly I figure I'd settle down in a nice big house (plenty of them to go around now) with my new wife and adopted children and try not to stir up trouble with the local feudal lord's forces while re-industrialization gets back underway.
>survivalists (the greatest enemy in all post-apoc situations)
Funny, I know many of these types from Idaho, Montana, Colorado, Florida, and even Illinois, they’re polite, friendly, helpful, and honorable.
Black folk are what you meant to say are the greatest threat in a post-apocalyptic world. In modern times, among civilized communities and nations, they regularly murder, rape, rob, and steal for little to no reason.
I come from the rural mountains of Colorado and this is true. I am Brown and some Nazi looking types hooked me up to a tow bar and pulled me into town when my car was broken
Dunno probably travel to warmer climates, maybe stock up food and get a boat and just do the Med for a bit
Test
Wow I thought you were gone for good, please get banned again, coach
trump won
Truly a rebel without a cause.
I like my job now, fully invested
Did you win the janitor lottery? It doesn't count as work if it's done for free
Eat it, shit bag.
You sound mad, maybe you should get back to your cagie, namefriend
OBSESSED
>What the supposed cannibals had identified and targeted where the dad/son.
go back up the reply chain and figure out where this idea entered your head. as i can't tell why you started repeating it, as i certainly never implied it.
This idea was abundantly evident in the narrative. The dad assumed they were being pursued, which they were (but not by cannibal/hunters-- it was the family).
BUT what led him to flee the bunker, at least in the movie were the dog's bark is absent, was the need to get the boy as far from the approaching winter as possible.
It was a precarious plan ofc, but both his suspicious (although unfounded) and his goal make sense.
Tl;Dr
Did you put on a name so you could samegay reply yourself?
Not dumbing it down for you
There is dumbing it down & there's making interesting sentence structure.
Let me know when you can grasp either of them. Meanwhile, go to 9gag instead
the assumption is they are meat, and people are hunting meat, therefore they need to be difficult game.
still no idea where you got the idea anyone claimed a group of cannibals was locked onto them and chasing them exclusively.
First, a correction: they do hear noises in the movie while in the bunker. As for
>the assumption is they are meat, and people are hunting meat, therefore they need to be difficult game.
Makes zero sense. The logic of the hunter is to hunt.
>no idea where you got the idea anyone claimed a group of cannibals was locked onto them and chasing them exclusively.
The father assumes they were being pursued-- he even mistakenly kills a guy because of it.
>it makes zero sense for prey to consider themselves prey
... are you literally moronic? should i feel bad for laughing at how stupid you are?
I don't think he actually thought anyone in particular was actively pursuing them, but had just a general hypervigilant paranoia.
Yes he accused the wife of the man he murdered of following them, but he only initially attacked because of being shot first
>I don't think he actually thought anyone in particular was actively pursuing them, but had just a general hypervigilant paranoia.
Same difference
not really. as one is based in a functional operative assumption, and the other is paranoia. as like whoever was screaming about earlier, if they were actually being pursued, they wouldn't have much time to be paranoid about it.
Again: same difference. That wasn't a tactical game, it was a post-apocalyptic scenario. Decisions are spur of the moment.
>if they were actually being pursued, they wouldn't have much time to be paranoid about it.
It's the other way around, you're mixing things up-- one thing fed off each other with credible motives.
to clarify
>hypervigilant paranoia
functional operative assumption
>being pursued
paranoia
i flipped them on purpose to see if it was easy to confuse you. it was.
Your backtracking doesn't help you save face-- in the movie's setting, "paranoia" and "being pursued" amount to the same thing-- the cause, although not quite exactly not in the way the father assumed, justifies the behavior. The wife says as much in the movie's 1st minutes:
>They're gonna catch up with us and they're going to kill us.
bruh, i'm not the one who needs to save face here. you're legitimately moronic.
The fact you keeping replying only makes your embarrassment and the otherwise obvious midwit nature of your reasoning attempts more evident. I understand your frustration because you're an idiot.
ever consider that's all entirely in your head and in reality you're being laughed at for being a moron? you are the same guy who can't understand why keeping moving is better than sitting in a hole, right?
Shut up already, what part of you're an idiot who's out of your depth you didn't understand?
its okay if you don't understand cormac mccarthy. his books/works require more than a surface level analysis to really grasp. no need to get angry on PrepHole.
Pity you don't understand we're discussing the movie, which differs from the novel. Good job telling the world you haven't read it while pretending to have done so, midwit
we're discussing both, how they're related, and how there didn't need to be a dog sniffing around to feed the assumption the bunker wasn't safe.
its okay though, i know its difficult to understand that, in a dead world, tracks/trails become easier to follow, stay around longer, and the survivors would need to be decent trackers in order to consistently find food.
put down the thesaurus and come up with your own words big boy
Unironically tell me one single word from my previous comment that you didn't understand.
One gigantic solar Flair & this could all be possible
>nameBlack folk
great
Time to open my name filter
32 minutes in and I hate his wife. What a b***h.
whoa I did not sign up to see Vigo's butthole and balls.
cormacs got two new books coming out in october dont forget
the road is a prequel to the time machine where the cannibals become the morlocks and their human cattle become the eloi
That's awesome.
Every movie decision ever can be explained with "it will make the movie more interesting". Do you want a movie where they are safe, well fed and have no conflicts? Just living in a bunker.
>inb4 contrarians
The world around them so bleak that even a glimmer of hope feels like a trap and too good to be true. They got to take a break from it all and breathe. The father's dread of the moment it was going to go wrong, because it always does, made him too anxious to want to stay.
the only correct reply
Symbolically OP its because The Man realizes that the time to merely survive is over and the time to rebuild is now.
He's carried the fire as far as he can. Ironically the traits that made him ideally suited for weathering The End make him completely unsuited for The New Beginning. That ironic tragedy is the whole point of the novel and the film maintains it.
>This is what the kid looks like now
Jesus Christ
i dont know
I know, it's pants-on-head moronic.
this movie was very boring for me, I couldn't get past the first 20 minutes
This has been my most successful thread ever, thanks everyone
I don't like movies where the MC dies because of stupidity/out of knowledge beyond the movie's pov
Like this movie or The Mist.
It's so dishonest.
How exactly is it dishonest? I'm not sure what that means in this context
Both movies make you think the MC, out of sheer will and perseverance, will go through the hardships of the movie.
In both cases, coincidentally, the end message was "See, you just needed to cower yourself in a corner like the rest!"
I think I disagree with that.
At no point did the main character cower in a corner like a victim. But yes, sometimes tragedies have bad endings. Not every protagonist has a hero's journey, and not every hero's journey ends in salvation
>Not every protagonist has a hero's journey, and not every hero's journey ends in salvation
If you can point me to a couple relatively known examples of those, I can point you as to how the writers didn't make it "dishonest"
>At no point did the main character cower in a corner like a victim.
Exactly my point.
In both movies, the hero could have "won" the movie by cowering in a corner like a victim.
His perseverance and will to live and endure hardship is not rewarded.
Exactly my point on why is "dishonest"
I'm not exactly sure why you would call that dishonest, considering that existence itself proves that will and perseverance are not enough alone to ensure survival, let alone a thriving existence.
I suppose if I was to give you one example off the top of my head, I could think of Edward Stark from game of thrones. I'm here certainly a paragon of will end perseverance, but still in a way that led him into choices that had massively detrimental effects for himself and his loved ones
>considering that existence itself proves that will and perseverance are not enough alone to ensure survival, let alone a thriving existence.
Aah, but the vital dishonest point, is the
>are not enough alone
point. Again, in both movies, cowering and DOING NOTHING, was the path to ensure survival.
I'm not saying they didn't try hard enough, or were outwitted, or simply it was an unachievable goal. That would be fine. The problem is the end punch to the guts for shock value. That the ones that survived, are the ones that did nothing.
Edward Stark didn't endure hardship, he was just a cool dude that was killed. . And his death even catapulted others moving up, not cowarding more. My point is not that "good people shouldn't die".
I guess I am having a hard time getting it. So when you say that something is dishonest, what exactly is the failed implication, and what is implying it?
I mean there are so many examples of tragedies where the protagonist ends up significantly worse off than he started
Another way to see this:
It's not what the characters knows, but what the audience gets.
It's not about the character.
Character can be dead.
It's the post tragedy scene, showing the "good ending" path, not to the character, but to the viewer.
Like you are watching a whole movie about character A and B, that they split at the beginning, and you follow A on the movie, and by the end, A dies, and they show you a scene of B succeding.
It's like a frick you to the viewer saying "haha, the good ending movie was the other one"
I would would have to contradict that. Tragedy can absolutely incorporate the futility of existence, , the end of an era, and the passing of a torch.
Like I said, there are countless good storytelling examples of this very thing happening.
The walking Dead telltale game is probably one of my favorite examples of this, and the story is all the much stronger for it
>Like I said, there are countless good storytelling examples of this very thing happening.
But the best examples you could produce was a videogame and game of thrones
Great expectations, pips tragedy is almost entirely defined by his aspirations, and how they failed him.
Pretty much all of Shakespeare comes to mind, hamlet, macbeth, Romeo and juliet, Julius Caesar.
V for vendetta, and watchmen are good examples if you like graphic novels.
>Great expectations, pips tragedy is almost entirely defined by his aspirations, and how they failed him.
>Pretty much all of Shakespeare comes to mind, hamlet, macbeth, Romeo and juliet, Julius Caesar.
>V for vendetta, and watchmen are good examples if you like graphic novels.
None of those ended with a scene of the deuteragonist persevering over the mc.
Not even watchmen because both comic and movie ends with uncertainty of the other path, the one that struggled less, persevered.
A dishonest take is the Queen not dying and marrying Horatio or V's bomb's not working, all shown at the last 15 seconds of the movie
What about the lord of the rings? The entire struggle was entirely pointless given that God was responsible in the end
Struggle of the character is so rewarded he goes to heaven, anon
And sam gets pussy
It individually paid off
lol you are actually autistic. Not everything has to be existent in a vacuum
What a midwit way of looking at things.
that's not the end message at all
Don't bother replying to him, he's an actual autistic moron
In the book it was because a dog started sniffing around and found the entrance. And being stuck in a hole if someone finds you you're dead because they can just smoke you out.
ok.
But wasn't your complaint about protagonists that die futilely?
You explicitly mentioned the mist as an example, don't know what that has to do with the deuterprotagonist
I've never understood what happened in the post credit audio. Is lt in the future or before apocalypse?
1:23 https://youtu.be/kXKe2CLOqfI