I just got these new hanwag Alaska, the size seems good, I got a roomy toebox, the foot is held in its upper portion and the ankle, while the forward part is looser, is got 1.5 index fingers worth of space if I push my foot forward.
I’ve been using them as everyday shoes for the past 2 days to try them, break them in and see how to adjust the way I tie them.
I have noticed that after hours of wearing them the curve under my feet gets a bit uncomfortable, so I think I need an insole to support it, and it has a pressure point where the foot and boot bend at the ankle where it gets a bit uncomfortable after a while, maybe I have to tighten the laces on the foot more so that the bend isn’t the main retention point for the boot.
As for the leather, water soaks in it, so I figure it hasn’t been treated at the factory, I’ll buy a product to do it, I’ve read wax can permeate inside and give problems but idk what kind of problems, or there’s dwr stuff.
These creases are normal right? It’s the leather bending with your movement.
Aside from the dwr, should I apply some treatment that nourishes the leather so that it doesn’t crack and dry?
I’ve worn them at an autist meetup with campfire and shit so they got some mud on them, I’ve read that mud can frick your leather if left on so I’m going to clean it now, I’ve also got this stain that seems to not want to evaporate, I assumed it was water but as it’s not evaporated after hours I’m assuming it may be some other bullshit, could be fat from a sausage that dropped while cooking idk
>should I apply some treatment that nourishes the leather so that it doesn’t crack and dry?
Leather conditioner, I use LOWA Active Creme.
Nice get, anon. nb4 the autist who says you should have gotten "beginner boots" first
yeah he's a moron, I get nice boots right from the start, the frick it means to get lower quality ones and then some time later get better ones, for what purpose
What the frick are "beginner boots"?
It was a moron in past thread arguing that I shouldn’t buy good boots but instead get cheaper ones first and only after that you can buy good ones
I knew you would make this thread terrone.
Told you to buy the lighter more flexible boot first.
Play stupid games win stupid prizes.
Here it is
>special needs has entered the chat
Anyone own the belleville mini-mil? Do you have any experience with them in cold weather? Is it a good boot in general?
They're hot weather trainers with next to zero support my guy
>trainers
Elaborate
>my guy
hey my guy, have a nice day
gave me an awful blister on the back of my heel. I have never gotten blisters in any boot prior. the heel cup is simply poorly designed. there is a stitch line on the inside up the back, and the way it sits ends up rubbing on the side as well.
Why would you buy that larp shit?
Do you have a goatee, wear oakleys and a backwards baseball cap?
>I don't like those boots so they're for larpers
>no, I won't suggest an alternative
Many such cases
They ARE for larpers though.
There's barely any tread on that sole, it's quite obviously just tall sneakers.
That shit is not meant to be used PrepHole
They are a fashion statement for 40 year old boomers that wear "tactical" clothing, larpers.
>I don't like the way those boots are designed so they're for larpers
>alternative? Nah, got nothing
Yeah I got an alternative, buy some surplus mil leather boots.
I have hiked thousands of miles in picrel, many of them with heavy packs, works fine.
They look like something a homosexual goth kid wears to a panic at the disco concert
So you choose based on fashion over performance?
Those are the standard issue Norwegian combat boots.
I've probably hiked further with heavier loads than you have walked your entire life in those.
They might not be your preferred larping boots for trying to pick up trailer trash gun bunnies, but for actual PrepHole use, they are damn good.
>Norwegian combat boots
What the frick do you fight in Norway?
You do know that we share a border with Russia?
We also border the dirty swedes.
I'm assuming you are a burger based on your moronic posting, what the frick do you have to prepare for fighting?
You border fricking canada, and the wetbacks are free to invade you anyway, so what threats do you face?
Dirty Swedes? Didn’t they rule you, like, forever? Until the Danes did, lolmao? Isn’t your language just a split off of Danish from like 1812 or something? “We wuz kangz” Norway is a gay joke. All the men left for England and Normandy, apparently. Leaving only homosexuals and trannies.
I was way off. They made your language up less than 100 years ago. Sounds like some israelite shit LOL.
>They made your language up less than 100 years ago.
Way to prove to everyone youre a buttmad moron.
How do you manage to get that buttmad about the mere mention of Norway?
Did I frick your mother or something?
Holy shit, keep your shitty larp boots, I don't give a shit, you don't go PrepHole anyway.
Black person.
I think it's the same homosexual that's being needlessly inflammatory across multiple threads. Just ignore him and take solace knowing that his life is probably extremely shitty. Sane people who have good things going on in their lives don't act like this.
You're responding to a guy who decided to shit on people for their boot choice, exactly the same behavior.
Hardly. The other guy went totally unhinged. The Norwegian rudely responded to a question, but nobody ITT who bought those mini-mils had anything positive to say about them anyway. Just some mall ninja got triggered I guess.
Except me, I loved mine and I'm going to buy another pair. I hunt nasty NZ terrain in them so they must be okay.
Could you tell a bit more? How's the grip on muddy and steep terrain?
Fine on steep terrain, not great in real bad mud but they're really good on wet roots and rocks as a trade off. They need just a slight edge at the heal, because dispite what minimal nerds will try and tell you, the heal lug isn't just for riding horses, it provides a lot of grip, especially down hill.
Fellow kiwi anon what do think of the following boots for NZ hikes:
>Keen NXIS EVO
>Salomon Quest Element
I want a relatively light boot for walking on the typically muddy, root heavy, gravely trails that you take when tramping and staying at huts or summer camping. Not for Alpine or Hunting as I already have a pair of boots for that.
I've no opinion because I've not tried them
Shared border? Like at the north fricking pole? You wear shitty boots, speak the Spanglish of Scandinavia and have some inaccessible snow next to some Russian inaccessible snow? Very tough, Jeb.
>Russia
Not a real place
Heh, I bought one pair that was marked as my size and it's only usable with a thick pair of woolsocks in addition to regural socks. I use them during winter as my go to boots. Would going one size down mean I'd get a good size for summer/shoulder season use? I am in a need for new boots for hiking and outdoor use.
all I've read about those norwegian ones is the sole WILL crack sooner or later
I'm on my third or fourth set now, only one cracked the sole, but that set got abused with a lot of chemicals and shit.
Used them as work boots in the army, and gasoline was probably the main reason they finally cracked.
The ones I've been using for hiking and hunting have held up very well over many years and thousands of kilometers.
I now use more heavy duty hunting boots when carrying a lot of gear, due to having smashed both ankles to shit, so I need a bit more support.
Are they Alfa, sampling, protected or other m77? Where you get them from?
Got them from the military, over my 10+ years there.
Btw these are shitty leather shell boots, meaning they are designed to be worn with 2 or 3 pairs of socks and have dogshit ankle support. If youre buying a mass produced leather boot, youre already doing it wrong.
And also not resolable lul
https://www.skomakervage.no/collections/m77-salebytt
>want leather hiking boots
>buy mass produced combat boots, non GYW
>buy your mandatory 3 pairs of socks
>pay a cobbler twice as much as a normal resole to do a shitty resole job on your weltless subpar boots that arent designed for it
Just get a better job and buy better boots dude
I might be biased due to ggetting them for free for so many years, but they are really comfy and pretty hard wearing for lighter duty stuff.
M77 are damn good for flatter terrain where I have to cross a bunch of small marshes, which are littered everywhere on the tundra.
I use picrel for rough terrain and heavy loads.
What boots are those in the picture?
Crispi Konsvoll Evo, think they are for Norway/scandinavia only.
Very happy with them, supportive, but not so much that they feel like walking in slalom boots.
Good for carrying a lot in difficult terrain.
>think they are for Norway/scandinavia only.
I was looking at my local Crispi website and could only find the Hunter boot. The rubber rand on that boot is too low. The Konsvoll look awesome.
The rand is South Africa's currency, motherfricker. Speak English.
Rand is also a term for that rubber strip around the lower part of the boot. It protects the leather from shallow water. Rand is also a glowBlack person thinktank in the israeliteSA.
No, rand is german for edge, which is the word you should have used. There is no "Rand" in English other than the currency.
I'm randing rn
I later found people actually use that world for climbing shoes while speaking English.
Fricking hell, the destruction of the beautiful English language marches on relentlessly.
>Fricking hell, the destruction of the beautiful English language marches on relentlessly.
Just wait until you hear about all the French words that snuck their way into the English vocabulary...
>beautiful English language
English was destroyed centuries ago with French influence. The current itteration with non sensible orthography and a bunch of non native loans is disgusting. Anglish is the way to go.
>2 or 3 pairs
homie, what? Just use a pair of raggsokker. Size the frick down, moron.
Straight off the varusteleka website. Youre not even wearing your shitty shell boots properly.
Oh no! Did the heckin Varusteleka say its so? Not the friggin varusteleka!!
Dumb fricking Black person, ask any norwegian soldier issued this and theyll use one(1) woolen sock, maybe two if theyre cold.
>Listen to the manufacturers of the boots? Nah, listen to the highschool dropouts who got their pair for free in the military. Fricking moron.
>manufacturers of the boots
Varusteleka arent the manufactures of the boots you absolute buffoon
Youre right, the highschool dropouts know more than one of the two main suppliers of your poverty boot
>he thinks varusteleka is the main supplier of M77's
Kek
And I get you live in Black personvile where every teen is a dropout, but most conscripts in Norway arent. Also, wanna kniw why they only use on sock? Because their command tells them to, because it would be utterly moronic to put 3 pairs of socks on. Not even Protex and Alfa recommends this. The reason varusteleka and morons like you believe so, is because you think you can just use the same size as you do normally when buying M77's. Hint: you dont, you always size down. Literally both Alfa and Protex notes that the boots are "big in size", even recommending sizing down.
Fricking moron thinking youd use 2-3 socks. Do you eat soup with two forks as well?
>Admits you need two pairs of wool socks if its cold out
What exactly are you arguing again? Trying to convince yourself the boots you and all the mindless military grunts get for free are top of the line boots?
>Admits you need
No, admits that some times, in extreme cold theyll put two socks on, due to the cold. Not due to the boots.
>What exactly are you arguing again?
That youre a moron who thinks you need 2-3 socks in a boot because varusteleka said so, because you were too stupid to do what everyone else does: size down.
Enjoy your shitty non resoleable goth girl shell boots with no ankle support and bottom of the barrel leather. At least you get them for free at your shitty low wage job. Im sure you love the slop they feed you as well. Make sure to bring your extra socks if you plan on going out in the winter!
Nerve status: struck
t. buttmad because proven wrong
Thank you for playing 🙂
>shell boots
Nothing wrong with shell boots.
>with no ankle support
Ankle support is a meme.
I've found best two sock method is a very light interior with a heavy outer. Something like a nylon or polyester interior to wick sweat and the wool for insulation. The problem I have with two socks though is they are constricting. Most socks like darn tough are meant to be tighter and use some spandex so they aren't grandma's ragg wool sock that is just fat and floppy fir.
I much prefer a liner as it doesn't use spandex or a jersey knit as long as the boot allows it.
>unironically one is made for the m77 too.
saapavabrik ee/product/m77-sisesokk/
>as for m77 manufacturers. There is Alfa and Samelin. I have emailed several of these companies. There are a lot of names from Estonia: Samelin, Foxberg, and Protex, but from my own research Samelin manufactures for all of them and they are relabeled. Foxberg may be the military variant with the shield. Officially this is the Finnish surplus shop version but Samelin is the manufscturer for the Estonian military.
Alfa is the original manufacturer. They haven't been the supplier for the Norwegian army for a few years though and they are no longer made in Norway either. They are made in Romania now. A lot of people seem to be in denial of this but I asked them.
From the models I've seen I prefer the sole on the Alfa but the leather on the Samelin. Alfa uses a polyurethane coating on the leather for water resistance which is ultimately a weak shell that once scratches through serves no purpose. It means you need to condition the leather internally. Also it's worth stating that full grain leather is not sanded. Minimally sanded leather is called top grain. I ignore the manufacturer when they try to state the grain. The boots are probably top grain. People do this for a smooth finish that hides scars and otherwise on the animal hide but it's removes the most durable part of the leather. So why does m77 have that pattern? It's an embossed finish that is pressed on after it is sanded.
>embossed leather
I had this explained to me at Wescos factory in Oregon. The third option from the left has an embossing for reference
builder wescoboots com/BootOptions.aspx?list=pullon
Sites gonna be a homosexual again and assume it is spam unless I remove .
If you want to see an actual full grain look at a lot of bison leather. Including a pic by Russell moccasin. It lacks uniformity.
>sizing of m77
I find Alfa was true to size. The Estonian ones were made for two socks so size down on these ones. The leather stretched more on these too so add a false tongue or kitties or bulk up inside with the second sock from last post, an insole, two socks, etc, or just size down. As a shell boot you foot will be closer to the sole which is not a heat/cold moronant material like Eva is or wool is so when it is cold outside the cold will radiate to the sole and radiate to you unless you have some insulation.
M77 isn't some next level boot but it covers a lot of ground when a lot of modern boots overdo it with weight or 'technology'.
Also since the sole is polyurethane as the majority of modern hiking boots use in midsole andor outsole it will degrade over time with lack of use, so make sure you use them once a month or more including summer as lawn mowing boots or else you will likely see the sole crumble next winter. Process is called hydrolysis.
Almost all your meindls lowas hanwags and other fancy hiking boot companies use this.
Eva is another material used in boots like Salomon. Also used more in tennis shoes. It's a weaker foam that compresses faster than PU or polyurethane but is more heat and cold moronant. Same material crocs made of to give example of the properties.
>Russell moccasin
mmmmmmmm
The pic you posted of your poverty boots has varusteleka watermarks on it, are you really gonna pretend like they arent one of the main suppliers?
I didnt post any pics, I'm not
fricking mongoloid. And no, they arent one of the main suppliers. Alfa and Protex + local deals would be the main manufacturers and suppliers, not some finnish surplus shop.
I pulled the pic from there, as I don't have a pic of my boots on my phone.
Is that hard for you to comprehend?
Never bought M77, I googled for pictures.
Mine are Alfa made.
Utter fricking moron.
>don't buy military boots, they're for larpers
>instead, buy military boots
Does it hurt to think? Does it cause you physical pain to consider what you're about to post before you click the button? Is that why you avoid it?
Tu quoque. Different upper material, different heel, different drop, different sole thickness, different thread. If you can't see the functional difference between those two boots there's no helping you
I saw a small fat dude wearing these last year, was that one of you guys? I almost shoved him instinctually as i passed him.
No, not really. If you do competitive shooting like run 'n guns those are pretty much what you want. If you're doing spot & stalk hunting someplace comically hot, like Texas, those would again be basically what you want.
>could use some more support but lightweight, comfortable and nimble.
You could wear trainer style shoes for those applications, but then you need to have something to seal off your lower legs like gaiters... with boots like that you just blouse and voila 90% of your tick and tigger problems are over.
So they are tall sneakers?
Pretty damn good other than the lack of a heal lug meaning a lack of grip walking down hill. And of course they're not waterproof at all, I found them very comfortable but did need to bulk up the sides with shoegoo because they got sloppy after a couple years, bulked up they performed way better. I wear an insole now too, they were way better with that in than without. Considering buying them again, they finally frick out after a few years use on all sorts of hunts.
OP, those are Alaska 100s, not standard Alaskas. Those are from Hanwag’s Centennial. Those are new old stock and are a few years old. Use the wax in the box. They will get darker. I have a pair. The factory insole in all my Hanwags has been pathetic. The pressure you feel underfoot is probably at the heel step. My left foot is kinda flattish and I feel it in most of my boots. The fat stain is there to last. Solid boot choice!
These are total garbage. Used toilet paper leather for people whose toes have fat deposits and ankles have rolls. I would sooner throw these in the trash and go barefoot. If I had to burn the money with a match or buy those boots, I’d soak my money in gasoline in anticipation. If I saw anyone wearing those in public I’d snatch them off their feet and throw them away. My brother had a pair and we aren’t on speaking terms anymore.
You won't see me wearing them in public because you don't go PrepHole
These are Alaska pro wide
The insole sucks absolute shit, they’re like a thin leather sheet, I bought a gel one that I have to try out yet
They don’t have wax in the box, I’m using Nikwax product for full grain leather goretex boots in picrel
8 years usmc. switched to minimalist footwear a few years ago. I own these as my only combat boots now. if your a minimalist they're invaluable, if you aren't conditioned they're useless. I wish we could've been allowed to use these when I was active.
Bellvilles are shit, worse than Bates even.
t. Navy
Bellevilles are pretty decent. gays will say they're bad.
Don't tell him! He needs boots to entertain us with another thread about his funny immigrant adventures.
Nice! I had a pair of Alaska as my first boots. They lasted me a good 13 or 14 years before I had to let them go. I used mostly wax to treat the leather, but some people swear by leather grease. What failed in the end was the inner leather-lining separated from the fabric. Still usable after that of course. Re-soled them once and got a few years more out of them. The leather is quite beat now, and I have a leak problem that I think is due to loss of integrity somewhere. They have seen a lot of abuse, despite being cared for, and there are a few tears here and there from rocks.
I hope you get a similar life out of yours!
been wearing work boots for going out for a while now. i like the extra protection given by the steel toe and shank.
once you adjust to the weight its not that bad and it makes allot of tactical boots and sneakers feel flimsy.
they're cheap too, i've never paid more than £40 for a pair and once the leather breaks in they're pretty comfortable.
thoughts?
Bait.
it's really not
if you are not walking more than 15 miles a day its fine honestly.
im usually not and they keep my feet dry. pretty much all i think i could ask for the price. pluse it makes it easier to trample through low brush, nettles, twigs etc
Nz and Norway sister, where do you get your m77 from? Alfa or Samelin?
If you actually want good leather boots for hiking, dont be a moron and buy shitty military boots, get hand welted with decent chrome tanned leather. Limmer is great, but imo the best leatherworkers in the world are in indonesia. They are some of the last people in the world who still practice old world leatherworking methods because it is far more labour intensive than using machines. I just bought picrel, will probably take at least 6 months to get it because they only finish something like 1 pair a week.
Sagara Trailmaster?
What did you have to pay?
These are horween CXL so it was 595. If you get domestic leather you can get them for less than 400 but its worth getting the best leather.
And yeah they are sagara trailmasters
What do you think of Danner or Red Wing hiking boots?
Wrong board
You can just say “Im poor” and it will have the same effect
this thread is fricking disgusting. mammut. salomon. danner. now shut the frick up and quit trying to save a buck you n00b cucks
I'm not buying plastic shit if there's any decent alternative.
you're a dumb frick that doesn't go PrepHole
I literally live above the arctic circle, I live PrepHole
Fricking urban ape that you are.
bull frickin shit you larping cuckold. oh what, are you out there in frickin yakutsk frickin reindeer clothes? you frickin wiener sucker, pretending like you need LeAtHeR or you're boned? frick off nerd you aren't fooling anyone.
The frick are you on about you moronic Black person?
Plastic waste is the greatest threat to nature after overpopulation.
Sure I'm not making any dent in the amount dumped into the seas, but at least I minimize the harm I cause.
Also, you don't consider picrel PrepHole, do you have worms in your brain?
that's such a fricking moronic response i didnt even consider it when i thought of the nonsense you'd come at me with
you honestly think the plastic waste from boots somehow fricks the world when you're up against china, indonesia etc. you know, the shit thats REALLY polluting earth? you think you're on a frickin crusade being the change u wanna see in the world?
you frickin moron. wow a valley. oh man you sure showed me.
living above the arctic circle has fricking nothing to do with going PrepHole sorry not sorry i see right through your egomaniac shut in nonsense you b***h ass Black person.
what boots do you recommend then anyways? mr AbOvE tHe ArCtIc CiRcLe
>what boots do you recommend then anyways?
Leather boots, that actually hold up for more than one season of actual use.
I've tried your shitty plastic shit, I have a pair of Salomon trail runners, they are good for what they are, but they are not hard wearing like leather boots.
Scarpa and the like have some synthetics that work well and hold up decently, but they are too narrow and less versatile.
If you want to have one or two sets of boots to cover a wide range of uses, then leather boots are both better and produce less waste.
>you honestly think the plastic waste from boots somehow fricks the world when you're up against china, indonesia etc. you know, the shit thats REALLY polluting earth? you think you're on a frickin crusade being the change u wanna see in the world?
People like you are the reason the world is descending into a dystopian hell.
You are a piece of shit Black person brained homosexual, and I think you should have a nice day, this is not hyperbole, seriously, have a nice day.
>wow a valley
That valley is a short hike from where I live, I live PrepHole quite fricking literally, I don't just occasionally go PrepHole, I fricking live and work PrepHole, I spend more time in nature than my living room.
Leather boots hold up, so far no synthetics I've used do.
Quality leather boots don't randombly get a delaminated sole or get torn up on some jagged rock.
I still use some plastic shit, because that's what's available for some of the activities I do.
oh im so sorry, care to explain why my mammut boots lasted me 6 years and 14 summits? not to mention all the in betweens i did in those frickers
THEY WERENT LEATHER SO THEY WERE SHIT CLEARLY
or how about how i asked what boots you recommend and you shit for brains ass mentions trail runners? are you actually moronic?
you are a fricking cuckold and you're spouting nonsense and you unironically can't even recommend a boot. even a leather one like you said. you frickin moron. i have full leather custom danners right now, what do you wear you fake ass Black person?
dystopian hell? how frickin disconnected are you?
your dumb ass is sitting here arguing with some random dude on the internet and the best part is YOU DONT EVEN HAVE A POINT
you frickin idiot!!!!
>6 years
>14 summits
Yeah, because you only occasionally go PrepHole, and you use them for only the one purpose they were designed.
I have to cross marshlands, have miles and miles of platues that mountaineering boots suck ass for then some scrambling in mountains all in one trip.
I need boots that are pretty good at everything, not hyper specialized shit that does one job very well.
omg wow amazing!!!! almost like there's different shit for different activities!!!!
you are a frickin idiot dude and i'm done going half ass back and forth with you when you're clearly a god damn child. have fun larping and pretending you're what everyone should aspire to be you god damn chump
You are a braindead moron, thanks for making that clear.
I've tried both synthetics and leather, I get more lifetime out of leather, they wear in and become more comfortable and they have never had a catastrophical failure for me, synthetics have, more than once.
They work better for me and my use case, so I use them.
Is that so fricking hard to understand?
lifetime??? your b***h ass is on your second pair of shoes ever, because you're MAYBE 25 years old
you're a cuck dude. you're spouting bullshit. because you don't know any better. because you haven't lived for SHIT
you STILL HAVENT RECOMMENDED A SINGLE FRICKING BOOT YOU KEKOLD
GO FRICK YOURSELF
I'm 36, have been in the army for 10 years, I hunt, fish, climb, mountainbike and ski, now I work PrepHole both on land and sea.
Probably on my 10th pair of boots, not included any specialized footwear for other activities.
I don't base my preferences on marketing and buzzwords, I base it on experience.
Sure, if you need boots for crampons summiting some fricking mountain in the alps, use Scarpa, Mammut or whatever, but they are not very versatile boots.
For general PrepHole use, leather works over a very wide spectrum, where synthetics don't offer any benefits.
I have recommended several boots further up, so eat shit and die.
>t.21 years old
Meindl Badine you fool
Badine... kek
>Germ hog boot
>Steal Cisalpine mountain's name to make it seem less hoggish
Any better recommmendations?
I'm shitposting, not criticizing such boot choice other than for the fact it's a germ brand. Germs are closer to swine than man.
Meindl makes Limmers off the rack boots. Just get one of those if you want melted.
Belleville mini mils have a few issues. They're one of the better minimalists overall.
1)black leather has a polyurethane leather so you can't condition. Also doesn't breathe well
2)brown is suede out so breaths well but not water resistant. Dries faster than most boots but not that fast.
3)not barefoot. Has a few mm lift in heel but I think this is a good thing. A 1-10 mm lift is ideal. Not sure what the best overall is.
4)sole pretty good all things considered is one of the more durable soles which is usually what plagues boots.
5)uses nylon which isn't water resistant.
6)has wide sizes but lacing is atrocious. No studs to quicken tying and I couldn't tie the laces hard enough for a secure fit. Had to add an insole to decrease volume in foot. A false tongue may also help.
What is this non-sense?
Anyone who lives at the arctic circle has several pairs of rubber boots and normal "plastik" hiking boots. Guess how I know.
Yes, I have rubber boots.
No, I don't have plastic boots other than some Baffins for when it's really fricking cold.
Even seal skin boots are more common than those synthetic membrane boots here.
>seal skin boots
Tell us about them, norgo. Are they durable?
I have Georgia loggers and they are really good for cheap boots. The leather is nice, waterproof, and pretty cheap.
10/10 low end boot
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/hKPLwwE2f3M
I personally use Altberg tabbing. Fills a lot of reqs:
>leather
>tall
>good sole
>good fit
>non membrane
>brown
>fairly lightweight for its class.
I've used M77s, crispis, lowas, lundhags, Salomons, but this is what Ive decided is my go to boot. Close to perfection imo.
Dude, you are supposed to brush off the excess wax, or is that just a ton of mud caked on them?
Brush your boots, so they don't rot.
I know, I put plenty on and then brush/walk off the excess the day after.
Do you size down on Altbergs or are they true to size?
I found them to be true to size, I went with a UK10.5/US 9.5 since I usually wear size EU44 with a thick woolsock for most other footwear(except for Salomon where I usually have to size up half a point due to the narrow toebox)
>Ctrl + f limmer
>1 result
So do you guys just not know anything about what makes a good leather boot?
>2kg for a pair of mid length boots
Yikes
>shell leather wearing moron encounters a real hiking boot
I can see why youre perplexed
>real hiking boot weigh 1kg
Most tall hunting boots arent even 1kg. What a dumb statement.
If youre a weakling, maybe dont opt for the heaviest model they sell? I fear your brain may be the limiting factor here though
Only a dumbass would use a 1kg mid length boot. I know you dont hike much, and so you think 1kg is acceptable for a boot, and that you simply need to be stronger. Maybe when you get off the trail and stop doing day hikes youll realize why nobody would seriously wear those boots outside of a fashion statement
If youre a weakling, dont get the heaviest boot. Do you think a 1kg boot with a 5 inch shaft heels significantly heavier than a 1kg boot with a 8 inch shaft?
To be fair, anon is probably pretty accustomed to taking big shafts on the reg
The point is that theres no reason for a mid length boot to be 1kg. Hunting boots might be so due to being tall and extra padded. These mid lengths arent for hunting, theyre not for hiking, theyre fashion boots meant to use in the city where weight is irrelevant.
The reason is that its a whole cut boot of heavy duty leather that is made to last a lifetime with a massive midsole. Theres a reason limmers have a 3 year long waitlist to purchase. What about those look stylish to you? Are you moronic?
Yes, they look like fashion boots. 3 year wait time is a meme when they stock boots. Plenty of boots are made of full grain leather. Most manufactures could make such boots, most just dont because its not what people actually want. Lifetime boots is not a thing. Heavy use, even when taken care of, will deteriorate your boots. Question is, are you gonna be lugging around 2kg boots while doing so, or get something like 1-1.2kg boots?
>thinks all full grain leather is equal
>no such thing as lifetime boots
Shocker, you buy shit leather with non resoleable boots and you have to replace them regularly. Wonder why?
I get fashiongays who only walk on asphalt can consider footwear to last a lifetime. But for anyone who's regular PrepHole thats simply not the case.
No offense, but only a homosexual like yourself would get this pressed when discussing boots in an outdoorsman forum
No offense, but yes, I get mad when morons say moronic shit. Its like listening to Dan Becker talk about gear.
Please enlighten us and post the ones you own and have broken in then Anon.
I am planning to try the Limmer Ultralight. 2.5 pound boot. Looks perfect. I would use standards for hanging around but the ultralight might be best of both worlds as still uses an eva midsole.
Jfc what happened in here?
Thoughts on Lowa Renegades? Do they have Vibram soles? I see Lowa has some QC issues with their non vibram soles.
It looks like the record needs to be set straight on m77s, so I will oblige.
First off, you dont need 2 pairs of socks for these, but the last is enormous so you will probably have to size down if youre not double wrapping. Second off, the leather in these is a very, very low quality full grain. I hate to break it to the finns here, but a subpar boot. I can only assume that the people who swear by these have never owned a quality leather boot in their lives. The pair in picrel lasted a season and a half before i had entire sections of the stitching coming apart with full tears in the leather. This is with brushing after each use. If youre planning on wearing these for serious hikes, dont expect them to last long.
Ive since switched to vibergs and there is a world of difference in durability and comfort. If there is one thing thats worth spending extra on, its footwear.
>doesn't treat his LEATHER boots
>it begins to break
Wow! Im shocked!
Renegades are nice tbh, not my favorite, but not bad. Didnt have any QC issues with mine.
As I said, I still wear leather boots that have lasted longer and are still in better shape. Those boots were conditioned every 6 weeks and brushed after every use and the shell still completely failed. There is no excuse for a leather boot to fail in a year, even if you dunked them in water after every use. The reason they failed is that it is a low quality combat boot made with subpar materials.
I agree, but I also think you shouldve treated them better and more frequently. But yes, M77's are cheap, and the price reflects that as theyre overpriced even at retail. In principle they have a lot of good features, but the issue with a fit-all boot is that it really is sub-par for most. There has been plenty of questions and requests about replacing the M77's in the norwegian military.
Out of curiousity, whats your prefered boot choice(s)?
That you never treated your boots or used an wax or anything on them, is only proof of your own moronation.
That leather is rotten, you've let them soak with water without any treatment, doesn't matter what leather you use, if you are an utter mong.
If you treat your boots like that, you should probably use rubber boots, even synthetic fabrics won't survive that mistreatment.
What makes them pretty good, is that they are versatile and cheap to manufacture.
They aren't too stiff for running around, and if treated well they are very waterproof.
Mine always wore out over the toes from kneeling and prone shooting on gravel and sand, worn out by abrasion.
I've treated mine well, with applying cream and brushing them with every use, like I do with all leather boots.
No grease? Have you used rubber boots over long distances? How do they hold up?
I've used rubber boots way too much, don't like them personally, but they will survive a lot of neglect unlike leather and fabrics.
Don't really enjoy blisters, which I tend to get if I hike in rubber boots, I have weird wide feet, so I always have to size up.
Consider using wool footwraps, on their own or over socks. It's just a large enough rag.
That's what farmer do here.
Since I stopped working at sea, rubber boots aren't really that relevant for me anymore.
I live in a mostly arid environment, rarely so wet that my leather boots have any issues.
The rag solution does sound like it would work pretty well, I tried just using thicker wool socks to make them fit a bit better.
where did you buy your m77s
Let's make this a thread about rubber rands.
How high do you like yours?
I prefer rand's that go up to your ankle especially in snow and bogs but when you have to go up steep mountains or fells, or you like to make a few runs here and there a lower rand is just more comfortable.
There is also the issue with high rand's being more likely to separate from the leather upper.
Have you encountered any rubber rand problems?
I like a rand like this, which covers the toe of the boot, the sides which encounters abrasions, and is higher on the heel.
That's a lot of rubber. Are you planning to shove such footwear up your ass as an anal dildo?
>the size seems good
are they true to size?
i wear 42 shoes, these are 43 wide toe box and with mid thickness merino socks they're fine, theres no spop I just tighten them and they're fine, I notice the main point of retention is around the foot bend and ankle more than on the top of the foot, very comfortable and the wide toolbox is completely different from the boots I had previously, they're completely free and aren't squished
Is it sufficient to just remove the mud with a wet rag and a plastic brush or do I have to perfectly clean them and reapply the product every time?
I’ve read that mud is acidic and shit and ruins the leather
It oughts to be perfectly clean of course. Mud is highly acidic, to counter that you need caustic lye. This will destroy the boot preventing them from getting dirty again.
Grease them every time also, especially before you go out so they're nice and sticky and they'll pick up all sorts of crap, just as your momma concetta likes it.
Are you seriously fricking asking us how clean your boots should be? How the frick do people like you function?
Frick off obsessive homosexual
>How clean should my boots be?
>What do I eat that's not ramen?
>Where do I go?
>How do I walk?
You're hilarious, guinea.
Strawman
You're asking how to clean your shoes. You have some thinking to make.
You stupid mongoloid I’m asking if there’s any special considerations to make since they’re leather boots and have a different way of taking care of them
I'd be careful calling others names when you're asking how clean should a pair of shoes be, also considering you've been explained how to care for leather before. Have you cleaned them yet or you need to make another thread about it?
I made a moron guide. Dont know how people make generals that spawn a new thread at the end of the last one but there should just be a /bfg/ or boothomosexual general and if jannies did their job they could finally delete the 25% of threads polluting this board.
Yo moron, one of the main reasons to get welted boots is that youre not having to constantly break in your shitty boots held together by glue. Other than that it looks okay.
I can have my shitty glued together boots resoled and the rand replaced at a manufacturer-approved cobbler near me. Where did you get this idea that you need a Goodyear welt in order to be able to resole boots?
Youre either paying a cobbler to cement your boot, which will inevitably damage the upper and cause sole separation, or you are paying a cobbler to stitch your boot, in which case youre just doing what a welt does but worse. If youre poor and cant afford a GYW boot, I get it.
>Wool is heat moronant
kek
Mediocre guide but some effort posting at least.
>your turn then
And what is a better word for a material that isn't affected by outside temperature radiation (eva/wool/cork) like how plastic or leather is?
Most of your welted boots have an outsole glued to a midsole. Same is true even for pnw boots unless they are wildland fire boots using screws or a stitched sole.
Plus you are talking about 100 hours of break in for a pnw boot versus about what? An hour or two for a Salomon quest. Just seems like semantics when comparing welted vs most other boot types except maybe pu direct attach boots like a zephyr. Break in of welted boots could almost be a con.
I've posted HINTT and zoomers are still raging I dared to help beginners while not catering to their sensitive feefees. This board is largely a waste of time unless you like to shitpost primarily.
Never heard about heat moronation before, I speculated you meant insulating while thinking of the fact it's fire moronant.
Hints?
I'll change it to insulation.
Make something better then or are you just another Black person that likes 25 boot threads?
Should just rename board ofa for outdoor fashion
>HINTTS
A now-months-old thread where I helped the morons of this board after a wog came close to killing itself on the Alps. Generated a large amount of seething.
Anyway, I use you guide as a template and modified it, effortposters add your input.
>anon actually goes PrepHole, has a valuable learning experience without any lasting injury, tells other anons about it
>some italian shut-in gets so assmad that he seethes and makes laughably bad infographics for months after
Still seething you have to troll an
outdoors board because you have nothing to add after having been exposed as incompetent.
Not the same anon.
Yes, 100%. You're one of the morons shitting up every thread writing bitter gibberish without any contribution. You are that anon. You need to go outside.
Unless you were the one posting the original infographic, that's a contribution.
Yes, I can see the ones asking for IDs and more efficient moderation might actually have a point.
>mamma mia, that-a anon-a is a-having a-fun-a! Better a-suck-a my-a own-a a-dick-a to a-show-a him how-a to-a enjoy-a a-things my-a way-a-a-a-a
>He's too masculine and confident, he must be italian!
>Best I rapidly throw a temper tantrum, that will show him.
LMFAO you need help bubba.
>where I helped the morons of this board
You helped nobody. Every single one of your "tips" is shit you can find on israelitegle, your "guides" are incomplete and contain errors and you don't have the experience that warrants assuming a teaching role. It's like watching some nerd trying to teach people how to hike while reading out of a book titled "hiking for dummies".
>Post
>Your
>Own
You don't get to tell me what to do, bubba. You're not going to stop me from making these.
The wog actually went on to use my exact tips in picking a pair of suitable boots which he's actually satisfied with, many others -not you wrote sensible things instead of pitiful tantrums.
Like I told you, you need to go outside and pull your head out of your ass. Nobody is taking you seriously.
you're a homosexual dont take credit for muh boots
keep seething
>Seething comment adding nothing.
No, bubba. YOU are the homosexual.
Out of the two of you, I'm going to say the bubba poster is the homosexual. Guy taints every thread he's in.
Don't like my comment? HAHAHAHAHAHA deal with that and put some cream on that sore vegana.
Stay mad bubba, you'll never be happy.
>I made a moron guide
>meaning it is a guide made by a moron
We can tell