because they are ex-military and were trained in fancy paper map navigating so alltrails is humiliating to them to be replaced by an app, also they do charge you nearly 40 bucks a year now, and I agree subscription models are shit it should be a one time fee, but there are alternatives
my biggest annoyance with alltrails is that you can't download .gpx tracks to the mobile app
Check out Topo Nomad. >one time fee for a lifetime subscription ($24, was only $9 just last year) >very streamlined, simple UI >only maps it has are USGS topos >supports custom .GPX and GeoPDF
The maps it provides access to are public domain. You’re paying for the interface. It only has USGS maps, including historic ones. I used it to explore an abandoned forestry railroad that doesn’t appear on modern maps (ostensibly because most of the tracks were pulled up, but you can still tell where they were).
There’s a free version but you’re limited to like 5 USGS quads at once. But it’s an easy way to check it out. It might be iPhone only.
>>only maps it has are USGS topos
but that's the whole point of Alltrails, (and I think also gaia maps may do it similarly) that you get a separate "alltrails" map layer that shows where random tiny trails start and end and how they all intersect, even zig-zaggy mountain bike trails and then you can make up whatever custom routing you like in the alltrails app (or on caltopo and then import it if the route is just on the topo layer)
You are paying for that alltrails layer, and to have a searchable database of all the trails (some trails are not on it, especially less popular ones)
USGS doesn't always show smaller trails and like community parks and state parks. It's kinda random, some states are better than others - for example, in PA the topo maps are pretty useful and reflect most of the trails, but alltrails really is useful beyond that.
Also, shout out to myhikes.org
Its a guy based in the pretty (north-central) part of PA and its like a mini-alltrails not JUST for PA, but mostly (also includes some other people contributing and he does travel around some, and its $20 for a lifetime pass to download .gpx routes and he puts a lot of work into the site and there's some interesting hikes that don't come up on alltrails.
Also you can just browse alltrails desktop app for free, you just have to make an account, you just can't use it offline without paying.
>I used it to explore an abandoned forestry railroad
That's one of my favorite things - exploring abandoned railroads, but I always find them on the topo maps, they never leave that off here, or well, I've never found one that I can think of that didn't appear on the map at all
He said subscription models are shit and I agree with him. $40 a year is ridiculous. The entire “software as a subscription” thing needs to end (I’m not holding my breath). As long as there are east work arounds or good enough alternatives, I’ll learn them.
5 months ago
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I mean, yeah it sucks, but how do you expect them to pay the salaries of the people who maintain their software and servers? If you get a subscription-less app for hiking, you are invariably getting less features and a worse experience.
>s long as there are east work arounds or good enough alternatives
that's the whole point, the workarounds are way worse and end up wasting more of your time
5 months ago
Anonymous
How do non-subscription based software companies make a profit and still release bug fixes and patches?
NTA. Anything that’s not practical is pretty much larping. I mean, people can enjoy things, but there are better ways to stay warm, better ways to carry stuff, better ways to protect yourself from the elements, and so on.
>you have to bring more things to enjoy PrepHole or you're a larper >if you don't bring the exact kit I bought off of Amazon then that's impractical and you're larping >buy more things, goyim! You don't want people to think you're a larper, do you?
>more things
No, just practical things. >things I bought off Amazon
My shelters are homemade. My quilts are from cottage vendors. My stove is a mega cheap Imusa setup. But yeah, if you’re purposefully using impractical gear then you’re larping. There’s nothing wrong with that. >buy more things
Buy whatever you want. Just stop pretending there’s some kind of drastic advantage over normal gear.
>he makes his own shelters
fricking larpers, I swear
6 months ago
Anonymous
Could be a bushcraft lean-to made from yew saplings, could be a .55oz DCF tarp and a big bivy.
6 months ago
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And either way, someone will say "hurr durr larp" because they use the acronym as a catch-all for anything they don't like instead of saying "I prefer not to do that"
6 months ago
Anonymous
I prefer not to lay awake all night shivering under a wool blanket when it's cold and wet outside.
6 months ago
Anonymous
And it's perfectly acceptable for you to say so. However, other anons might find the experience tolerable, or even enjoyable. That doesn't mean they're pretending to be anything.
6 months ago
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None have posted proof so far, so I doubt it.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Proof of enjoyment? How do you propose they do that?
6 months ago
Anonymous
No, proof of even going PrepHole with a wool blanket and sleeping under it.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Why would anyone have to provide you with proof anon, it's not like you're the governing body for the validity of outdoor activities
5 months ago
Anonymous
This has always been the gayest shit. I'm not out taking pictures of my camp to prove points on PrepHole. It's not even a thought that crosses my mind.
Well, I suggest you go try it then. Go PrepHole this weekend with nothing but a wool blanket and a tarp from the hardware store. Post results.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Why does it upset you that some random bong can enjoy PrepHole without a bunch of gear? What is it you think he's pretending to be, that is so offensive to you?
6 months ago
Anonymous
>deflection
So you have no argument?
6 months ago
Anonymous
>he said, completely unable to defend his opinion that anons using less gear than he approves of are pretending to be something that he is unable to name
6 months ago
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Not this weekend, but in the summer I hiked 40 km only with blanket l, food and water. I admit, it was in central Europe and it wasn't raining, but still, it is doable in certain conditions
6 months ago
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I can believe that. Not the homosexuals claiming to use a wool blanket in the winter in the UK.
Why would anyone have to provide you with proof anon, it's not like you're the governing body for the validity of outdoor activities
They don't have to, I'll just keep calling them out for the LARPers they are until they do, though. It's the PrepHole equivalent of "post body".
6 months ago
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>I'll just keep seething and whining about someone else doing a thing until they show me proof, at which point I will ignore that proof and double down on my seething
ftfy
6 months ago
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>seething and whining
The LARPers are the ones getting upset when called on their BS. Also, none of them have ever posted even a single shred of proof. Only pictures of their gear laid out in their bedroom floor.
6 months ago
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>not even a single shred of proof for me to say isn't proof >REEEE why won't they let me invalidate their fun out of hand
that was a very obvious case of prioritizing aesthetics over practicality. any amount of experience would lead someone to naturally choose function over form, and since this loser clearly did not the only conclusion to make is that he is a LARPer
[...] >you have to bring more things to enjoy PrepHole or you're a larper >if you don't bring the exact kit I bought off of amazon then that's impractical and you're larping >buy more things, goyim! You don't want people to think you're a larper, do you?
To be fair, the UK is very tame for going outdoors. Temperature is pretty much the only consideration and even then it's only going to be bad between December-March, give or take a few weeks either side.
Here, you'll never be too far away from humanity unless you go right up to the north-west of Scotland. There are no creatures that will hurt you other than an angry wasp. Cold would be the only thing that would hurt you and you'd have to be woefully unprepared to get into serious problems there -- just take lots of clothes.
I'm in the northeast US and it's pretty similar. Outside of winter you don't need much to enjoy PrepHole as long as you aren't a total idiot. I go camping with people and they bring a week's worth of shit for an overnighter with a low of 65. After a trip or two they start to bring less.
NTA. Anything that’s not practical is pretty much larping. I mean, people can enjoy things, but there are better ways to stay warm, better ways to carry stuff, better ways to protect yourself from the elements, and so on.
The thread was about memes and I posted one. The people getting upset over that seem more unhinged. All I did was post what comes down to "pics or it didn't happen."
Most outdoor activities are a LARP in some form or another. But that's ok. Just go outside and do what you enjoy. It's more important that you leave no trace and form a bond with the land than conform to some behaviour that strangers and citiots deem as "non-larping" or "legitimate".
I have yet to see anyone legitimately pretending to be anything when they're outdoors; just guys enjoying PrepHole. I do, however, see anons screeching "hurr durr larp" at everything they don't like.
I bass fish alot cause it's easy and it's funny seeing pissing off all the gear gays with my 10ft river runner and Ozark trial rod, Temu baitcaster. Bass are stupid and have a Black person iq. People that spend thousands of dollars to catch them should be made fun of
I live in one of the bass fishing hot spots of the US, it's a small place but there are alot of national and international tournaments and stuff. We had whole hotels built just for the tournaments lol thats the only reason someone would ever visit here.
Anyways it is insane how crazy these people go over it. Sponsorships, YouTube channels etc. So much money in it and it has become one of the gayest things I've ever seen with all the gear and 100k boats etc. Last year I was eating at a restaurant next to some of them that traveled down and these two guys spent the ENTIRE conversation talking about how many YouTube videos they needed to put out a week to keep their sponsorship and how to edit them etc.. not a single fricking word about actually fishing lol. But I'm sort of with you, it's supposed to just be a time-killer not a big ordeal.
No it's actually a huge headache and rat race- I know people who do it, and they don't even care about fishing really they just stress about sponsorships, videos, etc.
You have to win a certain number of tournaments to stay on the pro circuit and considering how much of it is a crap shoot it pretty much just means spamming money and time at tournaments.
Most people end up in semi-pro limbo. Enough success to get a minor sponsorship, but not enough success to actually make a living while spending the time of an actual job.
Dude unless you do social media or are on the elite there is no money to be made. I've fished FLW and I've had many weekends spending my last $$ to get to the lake in hopes that I make the pay cut.
Anyone that thinks they need a 5k electric bike that goes only 20-30 miles per charge and that they're going to survive the apocalypse with it. I'm looking at you Canadian Prepper.
Anyone that thinks they need to carry a house on their back in order to stay a few nights in the woods. Canadian Prepper gear porn again.
Anyone that has clothes so fresh the tags are still on them like they just walked out of a Cabela's magazine. Bonus LARPer points if you're a frequent hiker(2-3 times a week) and you never see them more than once.
Buy whatever gear you want, but please stop pretending like you're some hardcore hiker with clothes that fresh and enough gear to setup a house out in the woods. We all know you're hiking 6 miles and never going any further than that posting your cute little adventure on Instagram to your friend group that doesn't give a shit about you. I see these types all the time.
This is how you know they're a LARPer when they criticize you for taking barely anything.
Hey guys, I plan on doing my yearly mount everest climb next weak, I climb to the top and then sleep up there before heading back down, the only stuff i take with me is a water bottle, a emergency blanket and some hand warmers. What do you guys take?
and no I won't show you proof because only gay homosexuals do that. I just enjoy the outside, why cant you do the same?
If you go into a thread where some newbie is asking for recommendations and you tell them to just get a wool blanket instead and claim you sleep under nothing but a blanket or two when it's -10C outside, you're going to get asked to provide evidence. You fricking LARPer. You're like that one kid in school that totally knew how to catch Mew but refused to show proof.
Tbtbh they can post pictures all day and I wouldn’t care. It’s not about actually bro hung it, it’s about better choices.
If someone says it’s going to be kind of cold, a sleeping bag is a better option. Wool blankets are for larping (and there’s nothing wrong with larping).
5 months ago
Anonymous
>i am upset that people don't provide me with pictures, even though I will deny they are proof of anything and just b***h more
Seethe harder
5 months ago
Anonymous
>still projecting
Just because you're a lying snake, doesn't mean everyone else is a slimy weasel as well.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Have you considered talking to a therapist about your irrational hatred of people enjoying things in a way that's different from you
5 months ago
Anonymous
>people enjoying things in a way that's different from you
I have absolutely no problem with that. I have a problem with people lying about enjoying things or even doing the thing in the first place.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>REEEEEEE you can't say you went PrepHole with that stuff because I don't belieeeeve you
I doubt everyone on this board will agree to only ever post "I stayed /in/ this weekend" so maybe you should just quit yer b***hin
I didn’t realize the people who claim to literally never hike trails and only travel off trail were the same ones claiming 20+ mile days until recently.
I use the Alltrails app (and I enjoy it).
What’s the cliquey PrepHole reasoning to not use such a useful tool
because they are ex-military and were trained in fancy paper map navigating so alltrails is humiliating to them to be replaced by an app, also they do charge you nearly 40 bucks a year now, and I agree subscription models are shit it should be a one time fee, but there are alternatives
my biggest annoyance with alltrails is that you can't download .gpx tracks to the mobile app
Check out Topo Nomad.
>one time fee for a lifetime subscription ($24, was only $9 just last year)
>very streamlined, simple UI
>only maps it has are USGS topos
>supports custom .GPX and GeoPDF
The maps it provides access to are public domain. You’re paying for the interface. It only has USGS maps, including historic ones. I used it to explore an abandoned forestry railroad that doesn’t appear on modern maps (ostensibly because most of the tracks were pulled up, but you can still tell where they were).
There’s a free version but you’re limited to like 5 USGS quads at once. But it’s an easy way to check it out. It might be iPhone only.
>>only maps it has are USGS topos
but that's the whole point of Alltrails, (and I think also gaia maps may do it similarly) that you get a separate "alltrails" map layer that shows where random tiny trails start and end and how they all intersect, even zig-zaggy mountain bike trails and then you can make up whatever custom routing you like in the alltrails app (or on caltopo and then import it if the route is just on the topo layer)
You are paying for that alltrails layer, and to have a searchable database of all the trails (some trails are not on it, especially less popular ones)
USGS doesn't always show smaller trails and like community parks and state parks. It's kinda random, some states are better than others - for example, in PA the topo maps are pretty useful and reflect most of the trails, but alltrails really is useful beyond that.
Also, shout out to myhikes.org
Its a guy based in the pretty (north-central) part of PA and its like a mini-alltrails not JUST for PA, but mostly (also includes some other people contributing and he does travel around some, and its $20 for a lifetime pass to download .gpx routes and he puts a lot of work into the site and there's some interesting hikes that don't come up on alltrails.
Also you can just browse alltrails desktop app for free, you just have to make an account, you just can't use it offline without paying.
>I used it to explore an abandoned forestry railroad
That's one of my favorite things - exploring abandoned railroads, but I always find them on the topo maps, they never leave that off here, or well, I've never found one that I can think of that didn't appear on the map at all
He said subscription models are shit and I agree with him. $40 a year is ridiculous. The entire “software as a subscription” thing needs to end (I’m not holding my breath). As long as there are east work arounds or good enough alternatives, I’ll learn them.
I mean, yeah it sucks, but how do you expect them to pay the salaries of the people who maintain their software and servers? If you get a subscription-less app for hiking, you are invariably getting less features and a worse experience.
>s long as there are east work arounds or good enough alternatives
that's the whole point, the workarounds are way worse and end up wasting more of your time
How do non-subscription based software companies make a profit and still release bug fixes and patches?
Who you calling a LARPer??
Oh, that's easy. This motherfricker.
What's wrong with it
The idea of sleeping under nothing but a thin wool blanket and a tarp in shoulder season in the UK.
>you have to bring more things to enjoy PrepHole or you're a larper
>if you don't bring the exact kit I bought off of Amazon then that's impractical and you're larping
>buy more things, goyim! You don't want people to think you're a larper, do you?
>more things
No, just practical things.
>things I bought off Amazon
My shelters are homemade. My quilts are from cottage vendors. My stove is a mega cheap Imusa setup. But yeah, if you’re purposefully using impractical gear then you’re larping. There’s nothing wrong with that.
>buy more things
Buy whatever you want. Just stop pretending there’s some kind of drastic advantage over normal gear.
>he makes his own shelters
fricking larpers, I swear
Could be a bushcraft lean-to made from yew saplings, could be a .55oz DCF tarp and a big bivy.
And either way, someone will say "hurr durr larp" because they use the acronym as a catch-all for anything they don't like instead of saying "I prefer not to do that"
I prefer not to lay awake all night shivering under a wool blanket when it's cold and wet outside.
And it's perfectly acceptable for you to say so. However, other anons might find the experience tolerable, or even enjoyable. That doesn't mean they're pretending to be anything.
None have posted proof so far, so I doubt it.
Proof of enjoyment? How do you propose they do that?
No, proof of even going PrepHole with a wool blanket and sleeping under it.
Why would anyone have to provide you with proof anon, it's not like you're the governing body for the validity of outdoor activities
This has always been the gayest shit. I'm not out taking pictures of my camp to prove points on PrepHole. It's not even a thought that crosses my mind.
>some people prefer to be cold
Doubt.
and wet while trying to sleep 🙂
>strawmanning this hard
It's you, isn't it? Seethe more, you LARPing bong.
Guess again fricko
Well, I suggest you go try it then. Go PrepHole this weekend with nothing but a wool blanket and a tarp from the hardware store. Post results.
Why does it upset you that some random bong can enjoy PrepHole without a bunch of gear? What is it you think he's pretending to be, that is so offensive to you?
>deflection
So you have no argument?
>he said, completely unable to defend his opinion that anons using less gear than he approves of are pretending to be something that he is unable to name
Not this weekend, but in the summer I hiked 40 km only with blanket l, food and water. I admit, it was in central Europe and it wasn't raining, but still, it is doable in certain conditions
I can believe that. Not the homosexuals claiming to use a wool blanket in the winter in the UK.
They don't have to, I'll just keep calling them out for the LARPers they are until they do, though. It's the PrepHole equivalent of "post body".
>I'll just keep seething and whining about someone else doing a thing until they show me proof, at which point I will ignore that proof and double down on my seething
ftfy
>seething and whining
The LARPers are the ones getting upset when called on their BS. Also, none of them have ever posted even a single shred of proof. Only pictures of their gear laid out in their bedroom floor.
>not even a single shred of proof for me to say isn't proof
>REEEE why won't they let me invalidate their fun out of hand
Oi do you have a license for that blanket?
that was a very obvious case of prioritizing aesthetics over practicality. any amount of experience would lead someone to naturally choose function over form, and since this loser clearly did not the only conclusion to make is that he is a LARPer
To be fair, the UK is very tame for going outdoors. Temperature is pretty much the only consideration and even then it's only going to be bad between December-March, give or take a few weeks either side.
Here, you'll never be too far away from humanity unless you go right up to the north-west of Scotland. There are no creatures that will hurt you other than an angry wasp. Cold would be the only thing that would hurt you and you'd have to be woefully unprepared to get into serious problems there -- just take lots of clothes.
I'm in the northeast US and it's pretty similar. Outside of winter you don't need much to enjoy PrepHole as long as you aren't a total idiot. I go camping with people and they bring a week's worth of shit for an overnighter with a low of 65. After a trip or two they start to bring less.
Its the UK... Id feel fine going with a tarp, pbj, and synthetic insulation jacket.
NTA. Anything that’s not practical is pretty much larping. I mean, people can enjoy things, but there are better ways to stay warm, better ways to carry stuff, better ways to protect yourself from the elements, and so on.
I hope you realize how mentally ill you sound
The thread was about memes and I posted one. The people getting upset over that seem more unhinged. All I did was post what comes down to "pics or it didn't happen."
Most outdoor activities are a LARP in some form or another. But that's ok. Just go outside and do what you enjoy. It's more important that you leave no trace and form a bond with the land than conform to some behaviour that strangers and citiots deem as "non-larping" or "legitimate".
He means people pretending to go outside, dummy
I have yet to see anyone legitimately pretending to be anything when they're outdoors; just guys enjoying PrepHole. I do, however, see anons screeching "hurr durr larp" at everything they don't like.
to be fair, dudes slapping each other with foam swords in the park are more PrepHole than most PrepHole posters.
I bass fish alot cause it's easy and it's funny seeing pissing off all the gear gays with my 10ft river runner and Ozark trial rod, Temu baitcaster. Bass are stupid and have a Black person iq. People that spend thousands of dollars to catch them should be made fun of
I live in one of the bass fishing hot spots of the US, it's a small place but there are alot of national and international tournaments and stuff. We had whole hotels built just for the tournaments lol thats the only reason someone would ever visit here.
Anyways it is insane how crazy these people go over it. Sponsorships, YouTube channels etc. So much money in it and it has become one of the gayest things I've ever seen with all the gear and 100k boats etc. Last year I was eating at a restaurant next to some of them that traveled down and these two guys spent the ENTIRE conversation talking about how many YouTube videos they needed to put out a week to keep their sponsorship and how to edit them etc.. not a single fricking word about actually fishing lol. But I'm sort of with you, it's supposed to just be a time-killer not a big ordeal.
NTA but sponsorships make everything gay
You sound jealous that you can't go bass fishing for a living
No it's actually a huge headache and rat race- I know people who do it, and they don't even care about fishing really they just stress about sponsorships, videos, etc.
You have to win a certain number of tournaments to stay on the pro circuit and considering how much of it is a crap shoot it pretty much just means spamming money and time at tournaments.
Most people end up in semi-pro limbo. Enough success to get a minor sponsorship, but not enough success to actually make a living while spending the time of an actual job.
Dude unless you do social media or are on the elite there is no money to be made. I've fished FLW and I've had many weekends spending my last $$ to get to the lake in hopes that I make the pay cut.
Guntersville, Alabama?
Just read the FAK thread.
>welcome to my batonny chop chop extreme survivalist channel
That is the greatest meme
The word has lost all meaning because low IQ mouth breathers have used it as a general term for a bad thing like every other fricking insult.
I always find the anons that insist you're a b***h if you do not carry the heaviest pack possible amusing.
Anyone that thinks they need a 5k electric bike that goes only 20-30 miles per charge and that they're going to survive the apocalypse with it. I'm looking at you Canadian Prepper.
Anyone that thinks they need to carry a house on their back in order to stay a few nights in the woods. Canadian Prepper gear porn again.
Anyone that has clothes so fresh the tags are still on them like they just walked out of a Cabela's magazine. Bonus LARPer points if you're a frequent hiker(2-3 times a week) and you never see them more than once.
Buy whatever gear you want, but please stop pretending like you're some hardcore hiker with clothes that fresh and enough gear to setup a house out in the woods. We all know you're hiking 6 miles and never going any further than that posting your cute little adventure on Instagram to your friend group that doesn't give a shit about you. I see these types all the time.
This is how you know they're a LARPer when they criticize you for taking barely anything.
A few years ago there was someone insisting the standard scale for USGS maps had always been 1:25k in the US. It wasn’t a typo.
Hey guys, I plan on doing my yearly mount everest climb next weak, I climb to the top and then sleep up there before heading back down, the only stuff i take with me is a water bottle, a emergency blanket and some hand warmers. What do you guys take?
and no I won't show you proof because only gay homosexuals do that. I just enjoy the outside, why cant you do the same?
>i am upset that people don't provide me with pictures, even though I will deny they are proof of anything and just b***h more
Seethe harder
>im mad that people ask for proof when I make stupid claims.
eat shit moron
>im butthurt that someone would claim to have fun without my express approval
If you go into a thread where some newbie is asking for recommendations and you tell them to just get a wool blanket instead and claim you sleep under nothing but a blanket or two when it's -10C outside, you're going to get asked to provide evidence. You fricking LARPer. You're like that one kid in school that totally knew how to catch Mew but refused to show proof.
Tbtbh they can post pictures all day and I wouldn’t care. It’s not about actually bro hung it, it’s about better choices.
If someone says it’s going to be kind of cold, a sleeping bag is a better option. Wool blankets are for larping (and there’s nothing wrong with larping).
>still projecting
Just because you're a lying snake, doesn't mean everyone else is a slimy weasel as well.
Have you considered talking to a therapist about your irrational hatred of people enjoying things in a way that's different from you
>people enjoying things in a way that's different from you
I have absolutely no problem with that. I have a problem with people lying about enjoying things or even doing the thing in the first place.
>REEEEEEE you can't say you went PrepHole with that stuff because I don't belieeeeve you
I doubt everyone on this board will agree to only ever post "I stayed /in/ this weekend" so maybe you should just quit yer b***hin
>I will deny they are proof of anything and just b***h more
Projection. Just because you're a disingenuous homosexual doesn't mean everyone else is.
Here you go.
>too much of a coward to respond directly to the post he's replying to
NTA but maybe he's just responding to the OP's post about examples of larps?
i was responding to the guy right above me I didnt need to give him a (you)
its moronic to make moronic claims and not expect people to ask for proof.
The tacticool guys hiking with molle packs and heavy boots.
>n-n-nooooo you can't use those things because I don't like them
>mommy make the bad anon stop iiiit
The shit poster who claims to hike 40 miles a day bush whacking cause he swings his hips while walking.
I didn’t realize the people who claim to literally never hike trails and only travel off trail were the same ones claiming 20+ mile days until recently.