I just want to live in a small cabin in the woods. I don't care about running water, indoor plumbing, electricity, "homesteading," proximity to cities, or any of this other stuff. I can capture small game, shit in a bucket, and collect rainwater if it means I can be free. I think a lot of you probably share this mindset, so hopefully you can share some good wisdom that you found.
My problem is having no idea how to find affordable land that's suitable for this purpose.
>Landwatch, Landandfarms, Craigslist etc
Sorting by affordability, you have to chew through dozens of listings that don't actually allow you to use the land (stuff like mining claims), or listings that have the price set to the monthly price, and you have to dig through the description to figure out how much they actually want for it, or parcels of completely uninhabitable desert, and other shit.
Even if I could find a decent listing on one of these sites, I would then need to spend hours making sure I'm not going to get cucked by state, county, or local laws and regulations that make it illegal to shit in a bucket, or cut down trees, or something moronic like that.
The biggest problem is that every township and county has its own unique set of laws, so even if I could narrow down my search to one state, that's still tens or hundreds of localities that I need to research extensively.
>Look for land offerings in person
How? Drive around in the middle of nowhere looking for "For Sale" signs? Join the facebook groups of every town and county in the region I'm interested in?
If the only feasible way is to spend the insane amount of time researching and trying to catch unicorn listings on these websites, then I'll do it. But for the amount of people who talk about having bought remote acreage for living off grid or "homesteading," there's no way they are all doing hundreds of hours of research to find the perfect spot, right?
or you could skip the extra steps, and enjoy the money you'd spend saving just enough to get to the deep woods and 6 feet of rope.
you don't need to buy land to die soon on if you just use public land.
>but I'm a chronic fantasizer /in/cel!
yes we can see that.
>some good wisdom that you found.
>PrepHole
lol.
Get new material. We get it you live in a mega city, hate your life and clearly think you're more clever than you obviously are... why it obligates you to out yourself as a moron in every thread is truly impressive.
Move to Texas, Arizona or Newmexico. It'll take about 5 years to convert an arid land into something that will support permaculture. You're not going to find cheap forest land anymore unless you go to Alaska.
>Get new material. We get it you live in a mega city, hate your life and clearly think you're more clever than you obviously are... why it obligates you to out yourself as a moron in every thread is truly impressive.
read this back to yourself slowly son.
>I know you are but what am I
The irony is palpable.
Your meme is lame, I can accept I post some shit memes out of frustration but can you? Obviously not lamo.
>[hysterical mental illness sounds]
kek, take your meds homosexuals
>You're mentally ill because you fantasize about living innawoods but never take action
>You're making an actionable plan to go live innawoods and want advice? You should have a nice day instead
You claim to be against "maladaptive daydreamers," but it seems more like the mere idea that anyone wants to live in the woods/off grid triggers you. Do they pay you to spew your demoralization bullshit in every thread, or are you doing it for free?
It's easier to mask his feelings of inferiority with smug cynicism than to face his total lack of accomplishment or agency.
>It'll take about 5 years to convert an arid land into something that will support permaculture.
If it's an arid climate then I don't see how I'm going to get enough water to survive, besides paying thousands to drill a well.
>You're not going to find cheap forest land anymore unless you go to Alaska.
Is there a major downside to going innawoods in Alaska, besides the brutal weather and seasonal affective disorder?
If knowing how to find decent, affordable land in areas without insane regulations and zoning laws is basic common sense, then explaining it should be really easy right?
I've never been to Alaska but from what I know that are negatives....
>Lack of pussy
>Firewater Black folk are basically Mexicans of Alaska (gangs, drugs, drinking and driving, trashing places, robbing homes, raping white women, etc)
>Mosquitos
Yes seeing people puzzle over why Alaska has such a high violent crime rate is always amusing to me. It's so obvious. South Dakota in comparison to surrounding states too.
that anon doesn't even realize he's using an old /x/ meme. the joke is that legit schizos are telling each other to take their meds as an insult, I know I'm one of them.
yeah that's pretty rough but I'm sure if you're prepared and careful it's not a problem. I've been thinking about Minnesota or Wisconsin
>yeah that's pretty rough but I'm sure if you're prepared and careful it's not a problem. I've been thinking about Minnesota or Wisconsin
just keep the fire burning. I don't do much in the winter, just sit around and wait for winter. It sounds bleak but think out all the city people who spend their entire lives inside playing video games and cooming. Most of the time is spent making spring/summer plans.
>Even though you bought it from the county, this is whitepilling
Just keep your eyes peeled and something will pop up. literally check your county assessor website and go to the auctions. My place did not sell at auction and sat on the "over the counter" land sales part of their website for almost a year.
>Isn't the midwest a risky choice long-term since it's going to be filled with muslims and basketball americans in a few decades?
My place is on an indian reservation, I am hoping that will at least keep the outsider lowlifes away for places that have more services available. Most native people are pretty cool and easy to get along with.
>Most native people are pretty cool and easy to get along with.
My experience living near a rez my whole life has been the complete opposite. But maybe they're different in the states than in Canada. Here about 80% of them are fat alcoholics who will steal the BBQ off your front porch.
>If knowing how to find decent, affordable land in areas without insane regulations and zoning laws is basic common sense, then explaining it should be really easy right?
He "can", he just doesn't want to, supposedly lol
This has got to be the post that's projected the absolute hardest out of any post in the entirety of PrepHole. Incredible. You're very see through loser, so take your own advice coward and have a nice day. You're not fooling anyone. Everything you told that anon was subconsciously directed towards yourself.
Good luck.
what states allow you to live on your own land without building a house to code?
If you're off grid enough I don't think anyone would care, just build your own little hut and have a gun in case you need to tell the IRS to eat shit.
That's what the Weaver family thought, too.
Nah, they owned their own land. Forest Anon, for example is squatting and not even the FBI could get to him (they sent a guy after him and he broke his leg trying to reach him).
So the key is to be soooo off the grid that the feds can't reach you.
They use fricking satellite imaging and drone surveillance to insure and tax peoples homes. I guarantee you that if you're out in the middle of nowhere the forest ranger will show up eventually and tell you to get back to eating you goyslop like the filthy bugman you are.
If you refuse, government helicopters will show up. It's actually easier to live as an undocumented criminal in one of our megacities than it is to go into the wilderness and live alone not bothering any one.
Hell, you'd be better off waiting for things to simmer down in Ukraine and then buying a region of it once the bullets stop flying.
>in case you need to tell the IRS to eat shit
knownothing who thinks that life is a video game and/or military youtube edit spotted
Arizona.
California.
Nevada.
... Earth Ships are zoned as trash dumps and the place in CA is BLM land that is basically an FFA.
I live in northern MN on land I bought from the county. it was abandoned by an old man who went to an old age home and the land was seized over taxes.
I bought it and built a small cabin. I needed a building permit but there is no code. when I asked the county office about codes or inspections, she laughed and said do whatever I want but don't cry to her if my house falls over.
based
How much per acre and what are the winters really like up there?
I paid $23k for 6 acres. mix of wooded and cleared. it still has a well from the guy that used to live there. I'm going to try and get it working this summer. it's barely off a highway and about 20mins from a town of 6000 people so I can always easily get supplies or a job. so it is in a good location.
Winters can be pretty bad. this year was nothing but last year we had like 4 feet of snow. it always gets to be about -40f for a week or so once a year.
>I want to be self reliant and independent
>please spoon feed me basic common sense
>here’s 30 pages of words words explaining why
God I hate this fricking thread more each time it’s posted.
Here ya go - https://www.landandfarm.com/property/log-home-single-family-bruce-crossing-mi-32553878/
>$3.2k per acre WITH an existing structure
Damn, I guess I'm just exceptionally bad at finding decent parcels on these websites. I mean I'm sure there's a catch, but that's insane.
Yeah, I was definitely overthinking when I wrote my post. I don't know why I was freaking out about having to research every county across multiple states. I'm gonna focus on finding some decent listings first, and researching the applicable local laws second.
I was just talking about living by myself, not keeping livestock. If I had cows to take care of, I definitely would get a solar setup and figure out a more sophisticated water setup. Or at least keep some 5gal water cooler bottles filled to avoid having to dick around collecting water in the middle of the night.
>$4k per acre plus a well
Even though you bought it from the county, this is whitepilling
Isn't the midwest a risky choice long-term since it's going to be filled with muslims and basketball americans in a few decades?
>Isn't the midwest a risky choice long-term since it's going to be filled with muslims and basketball americans in a few decades?
I'm thinking not if it's remote and cold enough. Been to Iowa a fair bit and it seems to be doing alright.
The catch is they average 14 feet of snow per winter. Your going to have to pay someone to plow your road or get a snowmobile.
Hopefully not all at once
The point about the cows is just how much you need running water. Just having an intake on a small creek or spring is priceless. Aim to have your property at the edge of a wilderness with a creek flowing into it. That's a great way to get water, a bore Is even better
I used landwatch.
Its really easy man. I think youre just overthinking things. Go look at some property in the middle of nowhere and buy it if it looks good.
Rules exist everywhere but they are not enforced everywhere.
underrated post.
I don't get why PrepHole has to be so pissy and negative about basically anything.
I currently live in a similar situation and by god do I want electricity and running water. You don't realize how much you need it till you don't have it. I'll probably have to go out in the dark soon and fill buckets of water from the creek to fill the cows water because the paddock they're meant to be in which has the creek has a problem with the fence and they keep getting out. Just cow things.
I've never understood why people feel the need to buy land. It is stupidly easy to squat in public forest areas, and in the event you're found you can just move a few miles, unless you're stupid and have more material possessions then you can transport (worst mistake you can possibly make).
Don't bother with a cabin. Use a backpacking tent and just build a crude structure around it with 3"-4" diameter young trees and cover it with a tarp. Shouldn't take more than a couple days. The tent ends up becoming a bug, snake, and wind proof sleeping chamber within the shelter.
MOBILITY
MOBILITY
MOBILITY
There are people who understand this, and people who won't survive. You are never going to "own" anything so just stop thinking about it.
All throughout history people settled, they had small towns, or small houses in the middle of nowhere. They fought for them, and would only abandon them if they had no choice.
>they fought for them
Yeah, dumbass, people built societies then collectively fought to preserve and improve their way of life. But we live in a time when people are actively inviting hostile foreign forces to destroy everything and make life hell, and they mock, shun, harass anyone trying to defend what their ancestors built. There is no incentive to have the same ideas of community your ancestors had, you don't live in those idyllic times of building civilization with your buddies.
This. After about 15 years of fantasizing about needing money to buy land, I now realize that just going innawoods and squatting is superior. Im not much into material goods outside of books, but ive been slowly switching to ebooks, as 80 percent of what I own are books, with the other 20 percent being mostly clothes and some sentimental stuff. Still keeping the books, but family said they're cool with holding them for me. Recently ordered a CZUR book scanner, so I can finally digitize what doesn't exist online. Wish me luck anon, and hopefully we can both find feral women for ourselves. That's the dream now. No more tradwife BS, just feral women who love to frick and be in nature. Im a PNW/Alaska anon (from Alaska, plan on going back), and on the off chance I can buy land, I will, but for the next few years it'll just be kicking around in high yield CDs. Thankfully 5 acres in Interior Alaska tend to stay around 15k (have 8-9k now). Buying land is no longer the goal though, but I might do it if I find a good enough deal just so I won't be bothered.
Yeah, materialism is dumb and actual brain rot. My issue has now shifted from having too many books to having too many clothes. Bulk of which are jackets, cuz being from -50F is my origin story, so I know the cold well.
Sorry for the long ramble, im moronic.
My problem is trying to balance minimalism of material possessions with reliance on technology. You have a smaller number of physical things to worry about, but now you need to worry about having some form of power at all times in order to just read a book. And the fact that you're exposed to the elements at all times exacerbates this. What happens when something inevitably breaks or malfunctions? How many spare batteries, hand cranks, and physical data backups are you willing to lug around? Of course, taking the other option presents a problem where the physical mass you need to haul around increases linearly with the number of books you want to have. So I'm starting to realize why people decided that settling down semi-permanently was a worthy tradeoff for total mobility.
What device would you recommend? I have a Kindle Paperwhite for reading, a flip phone for calls, and a MacBook Pro (2015 13 inch) for videos and online comms. Would it be better to switch to a tablet? The bonus of having the MBP is that I am basically a ghost to everyone when in public and using it. This assumes I am nomadic mostly (settle during some seasons for several months or have an extended period camp where I can retreat to if need be). I also have a smartphone (cheap sub $40 Nokia) that I can use for videos and research if need be. Am I complicating things? I don't like smartphones. What are your tech suggestions anon? I prefer being mostly minimal.
t.hobo
>But we live in a time when people are actively inviting hostile foreign forces to destroy everything and make life hell, and they mock, shun, harass anyone trying to defend what their ancestors built.
>post a fat nazi along with the talking points you dislike to win instantly
You'd think that's how it works huh, glowie?
I'm making fun of you for being incredibly melodramatic. People like you always talk about "defending what your ancestors built" but all you do to "defend" it is make seetheposts on the internet.
>you
Not that anon.
Buying land is ludicrous and will probably remain unrealistic even if you make it into management wherever you work. If you want freedom you need to live in a tent in public forest land and be prepared to move if you are discovered by forest rangers or if the area becomes crowded. Get the idea of ownership and permanence completely out of your head. Downsize your possessions to less than 100 pounds so you can fit every you own into a bicycle trailer. Even if you do buy land you'll regret it because you'll eventually figure out why it was so cheap and/or they'll build a Walmart right next to you. Don't make dramatic commitments financially or otherwise to anything in this world. Owning land is a thing of the past and isn't practical even if you can afford it.
>because you'll eventually figure out why it was so cheap
Most people buy land to build a big ass house on it. A forested plot with no access to municipal water, gas, waste, or electric hookups, possibly no well-maintained access road, which is far as frick from the nearest civilization is useless to most people.
>and/or they'll build a Walmart right next to you.
They're going to build a walmart in the middle of the wilderness. I guess I will be their only customer.
Just go build a shelter with sticks and branches on someone else's land. Make it so that its hidden and don't cause any problems. I think I might actually do this. Not to live in permanently but as a place to escape to. Maybe eventually with experience I'll gain the confidence and skill to just go wander off and not come back.