Title says it all. I saw in a thread some people were making fun of some fudds that came into their LGS and asked for a micro 9 as a "bear gun". While I wouldn't want a micro-9 for that as the capacity is too low, why are certain calibers treated as completely impossible to take down a bear? I see it two ways:
1. You hit the bear in the head, in which case doesn't matter what you're carrying as long as its got more energy than a 22 lr. Hell, a 22 might do it if it strikes a less thick part of the skull.
2. You go for bodyshots, in which case you can magdump a huge fricking target. There's no missing a bear-sized target from even 20 yards. I can shoot 6 rounds in about 2 seconds reliably at that distance. You're telling me a bear is gonna kill me when its been hit by 5 (lets say I miss once) expanded 9mm hollowpoints?
No way. I just don't get it. Every time I see a similar sentiment it just seems like "boolet small bear big" when really, bear flesh is still flesh. What's the deal /k/
I do not understand the need to shoehorn 9mm into every single application
I've seen 9mm HP rounds bounce off a hard piece of wood. I'd at least carry 10mm hard cast for bears.
Basic b***h 115 grain range ammo will through pass a mature buck.
Fmj 9mm will pass through alot of things. Doesn't mean it will stop them immediately or even cause that much damage.
That's why you have 17-33 shots with light recoil and not just one. Training + rapid fire = 99% chance of hitting a large animals brain or spine before it reaches you. Even if you don't, the thing will still be full of holes and probably won't have much fight left in it.
>More important than the cartridge, is the bullet. By far, the most popular ammo for 9mm bear defense is this Buffalo Bore +p load
https://backfire.tv/9mm-for-bear-protection-best-ammo-tips-and-if-its-enough/
most popular ammo for 9mm bear defense is, of course, gonna be something in 9mm. Doesn't mean its the most popular ammo for bear defense, and doesn't mean it's viable.
so long as you hit it somewhere vital it will be fine, sure.
magdump into the body and there is a LOT of fat to hit instead of the right spot.
go for the head.
it will disorient him and make him think twice even if it bounces.
pain doesn't really work well on bears.
>go for the head.
>with hollow points
lol. yes, do this, anon, and tell us how that works out for you
didn't realize OP was that moronic.
responded again here
I don't have the link handy but I was reading some statistics on bear defense, and every attack where 9 mm was used, it was successful in preventing the attack. The bear wasn't necessarily killed every time, but it was wounded badly enough or scared badly enough that it fricked off and the shooter survived. Bears are generally big pussies, they're scavengers first and foremost and will always try to avoid a fight unless they're either desperate or think they have an overwhelming advantage. Most of the time just yelling and throwing rocks is sufficient to get a bear to decide that it's just not worth fricking with you.
wait, hollowpoints?
you are stupid.
go for something with penetration and shoot it in the fricking head.
hollowpoints are made for humans of presumably american size at best.
not hambeasts or bears.
You have to understand that for a hunter, mag dumping 6-33 rounds of 9mm into a grizzly isn't the point. The point is to drop it quick and don't have to chase it for 100s of yards. Same goes for self defense against grizzlies, as you have to stop it in its tracks as quickly as possible, since they can close long distances in mere seconds. Even .22 is capable of killing a bear, but you have to ask yourself how much time do you have to stop that bear with weak and small bullets.
sorry I should have specified, this is for self defense not hunting. But also, i really think people are underestimating how much damage and pain 6 gaping hollowpoint cavities can do to a bear's internals. Like, a hornet's nest is enough for a bear to back away from, never mind bullets.
The bear would close 20yards distance in less than 2 seconds and be on you before you even have a chance to draw your weapon if they are intent on getting you. They're just a massive car-sized hate machine when they charge, and unless you can collapse their hearts and lungs or blow up their brain or cut their spinal column beforehand, you're done for no matter how many rounds of 9mm you fire at it.
The best self defense against bears is to carry the firearm you are most comfortable with and most experienced with, and choosing the right ammunition for it. In case of 9mm, that means hardcast +P hot rounds. Then on top of that, carrying a bear spray to avoid that close confrontation in the first place when they are getting uncomfortably too close to you. And most importantly, to be aware of what to avoid and how to behave if you encounter one within 100yards of yourself.
>And most importantly, to be aware of what to avoid and how to behave if you encounter one within 100yards of yourself.
I mean yeah generally the best method for avoiding being attacked by a bear is to not go near bears.
You will be surprised how uncommon "common sense" when it comes to such matters is.
Oh I'm not surprised by it at all. Fortunately that's generally what we call a problem that solves itself.
>The bear would close 20yards distance in less than 2 seconds and be on you before you even have a chance to draw your weapon if they are intent on getting you.
you're moronic, you've never been around bears.
https://www.ammoland.com/2022/04/update-of-pistol-defenses-against-bears-123-cases-98-effective/#axzz84Ts8S5Fa
Let's hope you are not part of that 2%. I won't take a chance with a pistol against bears. I live in PNW around Grizzlies and shotguns or .300 wm/wby mag is what I have with me along with bearspray when out in bear country. I still HAVE a pistol just in case, but it won't be my first choice nor what I will bet my life on against a bear attack.
I live in Alaska, I'm more concerned over moose than I am a bear.
I got a lot more burrs than you do.
This, I'll take a bear over a moose any day of the week. Meese don't frick around.
>Moose don't frick around.
Especially during mating season. They become the Black folk of the woods, charging you for no reason. Their size and speed is fricking scary, more so than a grizzly.
Most people see pictures of moose and they're like
>haha beeg deer
But they don't realize just how big those frickers are
Stupid huge, Shaq O'Neil needs to stand next to one to show how big they are.
Non-shooters and physically handicapped people should carry the most powerful weapon they can obtain, or just stay indoors. Shooters should just use whatever they train with the most and focus rapid fire at the skull and neck.
this
basically anything 9mm or bigger, don't frick around, shoot first and ask questions later
smoke it centre of mass and keep shooting until it stops twitching
>You're telling me a bear is gonna kill me when its been hit by 5 (lets say I miss once) expanded 9mm hollowpoints?
lol, lmao
yes.
I wrote up a post because I'm from an area where bears are practically next door neighbours and so people are actually educated about them but then I realised I would rather everyone on this board get eaten by bears
go find a thread talking about scaring a bear off without shooting it on PrepHole then, dipshit.
this one is about shooting them.
what level plate is the bear wearing?
Pic related is peak bear defense.
This guy killed a bear with 9mm Buffalo Bore hardcast loads. There is an anecdote here:
https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=388
The best handgun for defense against large animals is the one that gives you the highest probability of landing a critical hit while maintaining adequate penetration. That's a 9mm pistol.
.22LR is more than enough, unless you're not more of a man than this little lady. Think you are? lolgud1
>rekt
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