>Ugly as sin >Trigger is meh >Allegedly dubious durability ( albeit mine and the range rental one are in the 5,5 and 10k respectively,) >Can't be folded with optic attached unless unobtainable Twist and store rail system. >Still a way better deal than a ruger pc, chiappa m1-9mm, or beretta cx4 ( they are stupid expensive in EU, same ballpark as an entry ar9... 1500€) >Strange charging handle, rattles
I love mine, I paid 500€ for it NIB in 2017 ( vas discounted because it takes ruger mags)
>Can’t fold with an optic
Look into MCarbo. Pic related. Sturdy mount and once you flip it to the side you can fold the gun for easy storage.
MCarbo makes the Sub2000 so much better.
Pathetic. Why do they need to make a 9mm rifle so heavy?
The Sub2000 is 4lbs
The R50 is 3.5lbs
People shit on Kel Tec but they understand that weight is a negative and prioritize light weight in their designs.
Pathetic. Why do they need to make a 9mm rifle so heavy?
The Sub2000 is 4lbs
The R50 is 3.5lbs
People shit on Kel Tec but they understand that weight is a negative and prioritize light weight in their designs.
Once you add the mcarbo shit to a keltec they are probably about the same. Only thing that stands out as hideous is the storage stock on the smith and Wesson carbine. If that stock can be replaced then I think it’s a winner
get the MCARBO version, or get the MCARBO upgrades for the stock version and install them yourself. it's like a completely different gun after the upgrades - much lighter recoil, smoother and lighter trigger, more metal less plastic, and an optics mount that still lets you fold the gun in half.
I wish keltec made a line of their more popular guns with better qc, materials, and workmanship. I will never buy the shit they sell as it is currently made but I respect their designs. My pcc (saiga9) is a fun gun and it’s great when I take out beginners, it’s basically point and click with the cheap eotech 512 I slapped on top but it is the only gun I’d ever consider selling given how useless a 9mm rifle is. However, the keltecs folding ability makes it the closest practical thing to a civilian pdw (no brace bullshit, no sbr laws that making traveling with it a pain) so it has its merits over most other pccs. The smith and Wesson may be the better choice, especially if it is basically a m&p with a body kit.
I dislike the zytel grip and iron sights. I am aware it is a good improvement and the way it folds is better. I think you are better off becoming proficient with a full-size handgun than messing with a goofy blowback 9mm carbine. If that’s what you like, go for it.
>I dislike the zytel grip and iron sights.
you can always add grip tape. mcarbo has a couple iron sight options.
>I think you are better off becoming proficient with a full-size handgun than messing with a goofy blowback 9mm carbine.
i have pistols as well. the sub2k is nice for castle defense because i live in an apartment and need to worry about over-penetration fricking up the neighbors, and it's easier to be accurate with a rifle than a handgun.
There's apparently a few of these floating around Ukraine for some godforsaken reason
Who donated them? Was it the cocaine sniffers in the engineering department?
I like the sub 2000. I have a project to more or less make what I think it was trying to be when they gave up on having it fold downwards. There are other projects in line first, but basically get a 3d printer homosexuals.
yeah
that's a drum, not a discus
>Ugly as sin
>Trigger is meh
>Allegedly dubious durability ( albeit mine and the range rental one are in the 5,5 and 10k respectively,)
>Can't be folded with optic attached unless unobtainable Twist and store rail system.
>Still a way better deal than a ruger pc, chiappa m1-9mm, or beretta cx4 ( they are stupid expensive in EU, same ballpark as an entry ar9... 1500€)
>Strange charging handle, rattles
I love mine, I paid 500€ for it NIB in 2017 ( vas discounted because it takes ruger mags)
>Can’t fold with an optic
Look into MCarbo. Pic related. Sturdy mount and once you flip it to the side you can fold the gun for easy storage.
MCarbo makes the Sub2000 so much better.
Are there any 9mm rifles/PCCs/whatever they're called that don't look stupid?
I like the look of the Chiappa M1 9mm, but I've only ever heard bad things about it.
>Chiappa M1 9mm
Henry Homesteader.
Same. I'd love a nice handy 9mm that took Beretta mags.
>Henry Homesteader
>MSRP $928.00
And no Beretta mags
Forgot to add, I don't hear shit about the RAK-9.
This picture gave me an aneurysm, frick your mudda
>I'd love a nice handy 9mm that took Beretta mags.
you mean a CX4?
Mp5 with A2 stock.
keltec being keltec
I'm thankful for Keltec filling the niche for as long as it did but a sub2k is now just a bad option.
that thing is dogshit
>7lb weight for a 9mm rifle
Ruger pcc is 8lb
Pathetic. Why do they need to make a 9mm rifle so heavy?
The Sub2000 is 4lbs
The R50 is 3.5lbs
People shit on Kel Tec but they understand that weight is a negative and prioritize light weight in their designs.
???
Once you add the mcarbo shit to a keltec they are probably about the same. Only thing that stands out as hideous is the storage stock on the smith and Wesson carbine. If that stock can be replaced then I think it’s a winner
dont look at that just believe me
Your proofs proof nothing
I like mine. It's as good as a cheap foldable PCC can be expected to be.
get the MCARBO version, or get the MCARBO upgrades for the stock version and install them yourself. it's like a completely different gun after the upgrades - much lighter recoil, smoother and lighter trigger, more metal less plastic, and an optics mount that still lets you fold the gun in half.
This. If I was to do it again (and I would buy the sub2000 again) I would buy the MCarbo version so the upgrades come installed.
heck of a shotgun
I read Kebab-2000
hungry
I wish keltec made a line of their more popular guns with better qc, materials, and workmanship. I will never buy the shit they sell as it is currently made but I respect their designs. My pcc (saiga9) is a fun gun and it’s great when I take out beginners, it’s basically point and click with the cheap eotech 512 I slapped on top but it is the only gun I’d ever consider selling given how useless a 9mm rifle is. However, the keltecs folding ability makes it the closest practical thing to a civilian pdw (no brace bullshit, no sbr laws that making traveling with it a pain) so it has its merits over most other pccs. The smith and Wesson may be the better choice, especially if it is basically a m&p with a body kit.
https://www.mcarbo.com/kel-tec-sub-2000-gen-2-9mm-for-sale.aspx
I dislike the zytel grip and iron sights. I am aware it is a good improvement and the way it folds is better. I think you are better off becoming proficient with a full-size handgun than messing with a goofy blowback 9mm carbine. If that’s what you like, go for it.
>I dislike the zytel grip and iron sights.
you can always add grip tape. mcarbo has a couple iron sight options.
>I think you are better off becoming proficient with a full-size handgun than messing with a goofy blowback 9mm carbine.
i have pistols as well. the sub2k is nice for castle defense because i live in an apartment and need to worry about over-penetration fricking up the neighbors, and it's easier to be accurate with a rifle than a handgun.
being able to fold it is the only thing i like about it to be honest
Like a worse yet more expensive hi point carbine
If you put a red dot on an offset mount, can it fold?
It just became illegal in New York, so I like it even more now.
There's apparently a few of these floating around Ukraine for some godforsaken reason
Who donated them? Was it the cocaine sniffers in the engineering department?
Some gun store in ukraine had ordered some before the start of the war and keltec said frick it and donated them
or something like that
sold that piece of crap. initial cool factor wore off real quick.
I like mine, It's okay I guess, I have the trigger upgrades, steel feed ramp, and fold away sights, I hate how plasticky it feels tho.
why do I see this gun pop up in school shooting footage so much?
>cheap
>can be found in most shops
>folds in half
>cheap ammo
>cheap magazines (anything glock compatible)
>dont need to be 21 (like with pistols)
I cant wait until someone uses this in a mass shooting.
Bonus for down barrel live stream.
what is your goal
I hope someone shoots up Crown Heights and we get down barrel footage of Yids getting executed.
He's a low IQ feeb intern trying way too hard
the troony in nashville already did
This thread went to shit fast, what's with all the glowies ITT?
ftm troony blaster
That’s odd… Usually pieces of shit are tapered on both ends.
Buy a real gun, Anon.
they are running a sale on grabagun so I just ordered mine. after rebate it should be $300. excited
I like the sub 2000. I have a project to more or less make what I think it was trying to be when they gave up on having it fold downwards. There are other projects in line first, but basically get a 3d printer homosexuals.
>It's (not) the side-effects of the cocaine
>I'm thinking that it must be love