> rifle cartridge in pistol revolver shooting gun
No.
A few years ago some asshat did that with 7x62x39 and it triggered the fun police (ATF) to drop some ban on import of certain types of foreign made ammo. > just because you can, doesn't mean you should
Anon... there's already a billion pistols around that shoot rifle rounds in the form of things like AR "pistols". There is no poisoning the well involved here making a revolver shoot them.
Thompson Arms have been making handguns in every fricking rifle caliber under the sun since the sixties. Not to mention every fricking AR and AK "pistol" that have been extremely popular as of late.
I know of multiple examples, what caliber? >45 ACP
There also exists an incomplete prototype that is a short recoil->toggle locked design that I can't find right now. It's barrel looks like a car piston.
A six shot double action revolving cylinder rifle that also ejects spent rounds with a SAA style gate and has a six round tube mag in the stock that feeds another round into the empty cylinder after it ejects.
You seek a rifle variant of Maurice the Franken Ruger, which is both a 9mm and 38 special, Detachable quick change tube magazine, auto ejecting revolver.
If you can excuse a two-round cylinder solely for feeding rounds from the mag to the bang tube (it also ejects the casings as it rotates), this is the mechanism you want.
I really want to see what Kel-Tec would do with this one.
So you want this with a short barrel?
https://mjlmilitaria.com/section-1-2-immaculate-ww1-1918-dated-springfield-m1903-mk1-410-shotgun/
Combined with this
https://www.springfieldforum.com/threads/springfield-1903-bullpup.3086/
>https://mjlmilitaria.com/section-1-2-immaculate-ww1-1918-dated-springfield-m1903-mk1-410-shotgun/
its in Bongistan 🙁 that shotgun will be binned before long. i hate seeing bongs talk about guns. it's like listening to a vegan talk about cooking steak
> smokes fentanyl
So I played this video game > sniffs glue
It's called Fallout. Lotta guns. > snorts rail of ground up Sudafed off dead hooker's breasts
There's this shotgun. > shotguns bottle of cough syrup
I say we modernize it with cap screws and injection molded parts. And pic rail. Gotta have pic rail. > does enema of Fireball
Let's get to work.
I've got some small books, some large books, a fistfull of magazines I don't really have use for, and because I like you, I'll throw in some sensor modules. > hold on, let me put on this hat, I think your prices will improve
> fallout combat shotgun
So I recently visited D.C. as a chaperone on a high school trip. > some of the students identified with the landmarks they'd seen in Fallout 3 > Foggy Bottom > L'Enfant Circle > Pentagon - "hey, that building is in Fallout"
Browning patented a hopper with a sprocket that looked kinda similar for a gun that the fun never ends. Literally just dump rounds in it pointed forward.
Could we go into ammo development instead of gun development for once? I personally wouldn't mind shotgun shells that sound like farts when you shoot them out of a KSG.
>The RDB-30
A .308 bullpup built off the RDB design using SR-25/LR-308 pattern magazines. The RDB action is way simpler and cheaper to manufacture than the RFB so the RDB could be made in the low $1000 MSRP pricerange.
The SDB >Shotgun >Downward Ejecting >Bullpup
A semi automatic magazine fed bullpup shotgun that hopefully doesn't suck. Alternate names could be the SADS, SADB, SSDB, etc.
>The KSGS-12
A inertia-based semi-auto KSG-12. Name is a nod to the USAS-12. Still uses selectable magazine tubes.
>The Kel-Tec Defender
It's the famous COP 357 derringer but in .45LC/.410. 4 shots of your choice of ammo fired semiautomatically with a rotating striker. Ideally it would either auto-index on close or have an external indicator to show which barrel the striker will fire next so you can plan a load order.
picrel is an airsoft gun I didn't know existed but is exactly what I was thinking it would look like. I guess I don't need shoops afterall.
>The RDB-30
A .308 bullpup built off the RDB design using SR-25/LR-308 pattern magazines. The RDB action is way simpler and cheaper to manufacture than the RFB so the RDB could be made in the low $1000 MSRP pricerange.
The SDB >Shotgun >Downward Ejecting >Bullpup
A semi automatic magazine fed bullpup shotgun that hopefully doesn't suck. Alternate names could be the SADS, SADB, SSDB, etc.
>The KSGS-12
A inertia-based semi-auto KSG-12. Name is a nod to the USAS-12. Still uses selectable magazine tubes.
two more coming with shoops
[...] >The Kel-Tec R6
Literally just an American made MP-412 REX. A polymer framed, 6 shot, break-action, .357 magnum revolver. It would feature swappable ejectors to allow either 6 shot speedloaders or moonclips. Would be the first in a new line of revolvers.
>The Kel-Tec Sidewinder
A revolver with a side swing-open design. It would use a polymer coated steel frame (think Five-Seven) and it's gimmick would be quick caliber swaps. The barrels would be an interrupted thread design with cross bolt push-button lock to secure it and quick swap cylinders. It would come from the factory in your choice of caliber with additional caliber kits consisting of barrels and cylinders sold separately. Make it the Thompson Center Contender of revolvers.
These are all really fricking good ideas. Someone needs to print out these posts, tape them to a kilo of coke, and send it to the KelTec board of directors immediately.
That thing really needs to have a better trigger though. Try the trigger on one of those things, it is STUPID heavy. Unironic old chrome staple gun-tier.
t. played with one once
I tried to find the real trigger pull weight for clarification and came up empty, except for some complaints:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COP_.357_Derringer >Two complaints about the COP .357 are that it is too heavy to be used as a backup gun, and that the trigger pull is too heavy for rapid fire, even heavier than most modern revolvers.
https://www.forgottenweapons.com/the-most-80s-gun-ever-cop-357-at-the-backup-gun-match/ >It’s also an awful pistol to shoot. The trigger is one of the worst I’ve ever felt
https://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=367050 >Trigger pull is about 63,000 lbs +/- 1 ton.
https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/advice-on-cop-357-for-ccw.3913/ >I would tell you the pull weight if I knew, but my trigger pull gauge only goes to 25 pounds.
kek
the more I think about this, the more I like it. The low capacity even makes it eligible for ban states. Load up 4x .410 buckshot and it's like using duplexing for 8 rounds of .380.
Actual Kel Tec administrative employee here.
Had a pretty good laugh.
I showed some of these ideas to our management and they got a good kick out of it.
Although the last keltec thread was better.
BUILD IT
Browning patented a hopper with a sprocket that looked kinda similar for a gun that the fun never ends. Literally just dump rounds in it pointed forward.
that's basically how old-timey gatling guns worked, the tall magazines were really just gravity fed hoppers of 45-70
>The Kel-Tec Defender
It's the famous COP 357 derringer but in .45LC/.410. 4 shots of your choice of ammo fired semiautomatically with a rotating striker. Ideally it would either auto-index on close or have an external indicator to show which barrel the striker will fire next so you can plan a load order.
picrel is an airsoft gun I didn't know existed but is exactly what I was thinking it would look like. I guess I don't need shoops afterall.
>The Kel-Tec R6
Literally just an American made MP-412 REX. A polymer framed, 6 shot, break-action, .357 magnum revolver. It would feature swappable ejectors to allow either 6 shot speedloaders or moonclips. Would be the first in a new line of revolvers.
>The Kel-Tec Sidewinder
A revolver with a side swing-open design. It would use a polymer coated steel frame (think Five-Seven) and it's gimmick would be quick caliber swaps. The barrels would be an interrupted thread design with cross bolt push-button lock to secure it and quick swap cylinders. It would come from the factory in your choice of caliber with additional caliber kits consisting of barrels and cylinders sold separately. Make it the Thompson Center Contender of revolvers.
>The Kel-Tec Defender
It's the famous COP 357 derringer but in .45LC/.410. 4 shots of your choice of ammo fired semiautomatically with a rotating striker. Ideally it would either auto-index on close or have an external indicator to show which barrel the striker will fire next so you can plan a load order.
picrel is an airsoft gun I didn't know existed but is exactly what I was thinking it would look like. I guess I don't need shoops afterall.
[...] >The Kel-Tec R6
Literally just an American made MP-412 REX. A polymer framed, 6 shot, break-action, .357 magnum revolver. It would feature swappable ejectors to allow either 6 shot speedloaders or moonclips. Would be the first in a new line of revolvers.
>The Kel-Tec Sidewinder
A revolver with a side swing-open design. It would use a polymer coated steel frame (think Five-Seven) and it's gimmick would be quick caliber swaps. The barrels would be an interrupted thread design with cross bolt push-button lock to secure it and quick swap cylinders. It would come from the factory in your choice of caliber with additional caliber kits consisting of barrels and cylinders sold separately. Make it the Thompson Center Contender of revolvers.
Apparently I'm on the Kel-Tec coke today so here's another one.
>The Kel-Tec CP2
Basically the T/C Contender, but instead of swappable upper, it's a trunnion that you can lock two barrels into. This turns it into the pistol version of a break action double-rifle, except you can swap amongst bunches of different calibers or a .45/410 barrel.
I like it, too bad Washington State law says the device can't exceed 5 rounds per second, but that could help somewhere else with different dumb gun laws.
So all revolvers are out? All semi-autos are out? All guns are out? Just get better fingers/grip combo and you can out cycle most slower guns (600rpm).
HINT: >your trigger finger is on your left hand, and you are holding the rear grip with your right hand.
Some republican politician made the point that he could exceed 5 rounds per second semi-auto. They didn't care, but they're not banning semi-auto or revolvers. I think it's just something that would get invoked for binary triggers, two triggers, or other innovations in fire rate.
Polymer C96 in 9mm, stripper clip internal magazine fed, 10 or 20 rounds, or a detachable mag kit,!with options for an optics cut, threaded barrel, fiber optic suppressor height sights.
Make the same thing but a carbine version
Make both of those in .22lr as well
>Since 30 carbine has similar dimensions to 5.7x28, 20 round ammo capacity should be doable. >Probably getting ~1700 fps, it might threaten IIIA. >With a pistol red dot and flat shooting ammo, it might be decent out to a little beyond 100 yards. >Since the velocity is high, it gives a lot of kinetic energy for the recoil.
Automag III was single stack. We're talking Keltec , so it would naturally have huge ammo capacity. Also, those guns had too much muzzle blast, hence extra long barrel.
One could try and adapt a new 80X Cheetah, by using a new barrel, very weak recoil spring and probably a new magazine follower.
What would make it Keltec-tier would be if they made a .25 Super: lengthen the case by about 2mm, double the pressure to modern levels (~45kpsi). It could still fire .25 ACP (with a weaker recoil spring) as it would still headspace on the semi-rim, and you could have a 50 grain at about 1200FPS that way. Not too impressive, but 20 of them? Sounds decent.
>.25 Super
I like that concept. Ammo commonality is nice, and your proposed .25 super would probably also well accommodate direct blow-back, but it could go even longer and be like a smaller diameter 30 super carry (64 grains 1250 fps). At 7.1mm case diameter and rimless, maybe you could have a quad-stack magazine in a handgun grip? That would be very Keltec.
Sorry, I don’t like guns with a single finger grip and ballistics even worse than .22 LR. Maybe as meme/gun range toy, but it doesn’t even seem fun to shoot.
you are a moron >22lr balllistics are calculated when shooting from a rifle length barrel >25ACP and 22lr have nearly identical ballistics from a pistol length barrel but 25 is centerfire so inherently more reliable
They make fast burning .22 LR anon. Look up Federal Punch or Winchester Silvertips. Specifically made for handgun length barrels and has more energy than .25 ACP. I don’t know why you’re even arguing about this they’re both ass compared to even something like .32 ACP.
I got one. take a glock mag and turn it upside down. get like 12 of those b***hes in 4 rows of 3 in a receiver. 12 barrels in the same 4 rows of 3 vertically.
oh... and make it look like the needler from halo. AND THE MAGS MUST BE CLEAR OR ELSE IT WONT WORK. WORT WORT WORT.
The best part is hydrazine combusts in the presence of oxygen.
Look up some mishaps with the Me 163 interceptor for more information on what hydrazine does to a human body. Or was it the T-Stoff oxidizer they used that dissolved people? I don't recall.
It was the wood glue unironically that dissolved people. Also >The best part is hydrazine combusts in the presence of oxygen.
Is very true, as in if someone hits the gun with a bullet and it pierces it would be SIGNIFICANTLY worse than getting hit while wearing a flame thrower tank.
Friendly reminder that Kel-Tec is in Cocoa Florida
The 2nd most unsafe Black person town in the entire state
It is on Cox Road, just a mile from crack town.
They do treat their employees pretty well and have a loyal following, most employees will receieve a free gun after 90 days, using Kel-Tec Points.
I have several friends that have worked there over the years.
Also, down the road is Diamon back,
Dimond back is a white trailer trash Black person meeting area, never buy one item from these homosexuals, as they are sub humans who thrive in meth and trailers
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Okay guys, just throw them at me. Brainstorm the shit out of this. Let's fricking GOOOOO!
> uhhhhhh, mag fed semi auto .410
Got it. > 3 round .30-30 hunting revolver
It's up there. > 1 bore rifle and we load golf balls as projectiles
Keep 'em coming. > Top loading .22lr Gauntling gun that you hold like a leaf blower
Whiteboard go BRRRRRRRRRR > 20 guage rifled shotgun that only shoots broadhead arrows
More. MORE! > Break action over/under rifle in 9mm and 7.62x39
I've posted this before, but I want an M1 Garand clone chambered in .22LR that takes 10 round Ruger 10/22 magazines just like en-bloc clips.
Load the 10 round magazine in through the TOP of the action, and it functions just like a normal en-bloc clip. Also ejects out the top AND makes a realistic metallic *ping* when ejected.
It must be made of steel and walnut just like a real M1.
It must be the same size and have the same outward appearance as a real M1.
While we're at it, I want a threaded barrel because suppressed .22s are very neat.
Impossible? Yes. But Kel-Tec is the only company that would be autistic enough to try it. >picrel
I'd love a 20 round capacity, but Ruger doesn't make 20 round rotary 10/22 magazines. And a 10 round magazine is pretty dang close to the actual size of an en-bloc clip.
Based 10/22 top feed magazine autist. If this moronation were made I would hunt squirrels with it. But you might need to modify the internals of the mag to get an auto bolt hold open or some kind of trip/pusher to let the gun "know" the last round was shot to let it eject. Basically something in the mag that pushes the "mag release" button.
Yeah I know it wouldn't work with stock 10/22 magazines, so there would need to be a slightly different magazine design. But if the mags were still 10/22 compatible, that'd be awesome.
This would be a very based gun.
I'm not a gun designer, so that's why I keep posting it in the Kel-Tec R&D (moronation and Drugs) threads. Let them figure out the internals.
You could probably make a very cheap and easy to manufacture mag if you tried it with the prototype 10/22 mag design. It was sheetmetal and castings. https://tincanbandit.blogspot.com/2018/10/featured-gun-ruger-1022.html
Based 10/22 top feed magazine autist. If this moronation were made I would hunt squirrels with it. But you might need to modify the internals of the mag to get an auto bolt hold open or some kind of trip/pusher to let the gun "know" the last round was shot to let it eject. Basically something in the mag that pushes the "mag release" button.
>The kek-tek 69
Rifle that fires forward and backwards at the same time to eliminate recoil. This allows advanced operators on infiltration missions to maintain 360 Defence(TM). Comes with mirror sights to see behind you.
>The Fibonacci 7
A carbine that has spiraling barrels in sequential smaller calibers, starting with 500 S&W, .460 S&W, then 44 Mag, .41 mag, 357 mag, 327 mag, .22 mag. The idea being that you never know what animal you may find on the hunt, be it grizzly bear or squirrel, and finally there's a Gun That Does It All (TM)
>The Kel-Tec Free Trapper
Literally just a replica of a sharps rifle in 45/70 with a pic rail. Optional walnut stock.
We need a new over-under rifle-shotgun combo. Break action, classic stuff.
But.
Hea-
Hear me out.
This is the important part.
It needs-
It needs two, two magazines.
Yeah.
Two thirty-round box magazines.
Oh yeah baby.
Three-o-eight and twelve gauge.
Tho maaaaybe we should make the top shotgun mag one of those- those round things? Whatcha call them? Barrel? Oh yeah drum mag.
One on top, one on bottom. You following me?
And it's gotta be break action, alright?
Rifle. Shotgun. Two thirty rounders. Break action. Everyone will buy it. It's got something for everyone. We'll be stinkin' rich.
5 shot nagant revolver clone with the gap seal, suppressor height sights, and threaded barrel... chambered in 380ACP and 9mm using the same system as a Medusa.
I don't think it'd be much more complicated than the webly. I mean it's already halfway there. You just need to make the mechanism such that the hammer falls again without the trigger being pulled, an interruptable sear that functions on the backward/forward momentum of the cylinder frame.
Says the guy who isn't a gunsmith, has only taken apart two revolvers, and doesn't actually know much of anything about what he's spouting off about...
Yeah, you’re right. Now that i think of it, There is a semi auto revolver, the Mateba 6 unica. Top half of the gun is like a slide that reciprocates some short distance and that advances the cylinder. Simply connect that to an auto sear and you have full auto. Still though, id love to see one made. It’s just so moronic kek.
You know how T/C makes modular single-shot guns? Well what if we make modular DOUBLE RIFLES that you can swap out individual barrels on and also make them all tactical and shit? You should also be able to fire both barrels at the same time if you want.
>you're saying *SNIFFFFF* we should make machine guns?
Seeing as they're not self-loading we should be fine. However, we should also make the barrels hot-swappable for faster reloading; just push a button to drop the current barrel and just slap the new one on.
Not a machine gun. VOLLY GUNS, EVEN FRICKING REPEATING VOLLY GUNS, ARE COMPLETELY LEGAL. >SO FRICKING LEGAL
SO ARE GUNS WITH MULTIPLE TRIGGERS THAT FIRE ONE BARREL, SO ARE MULTIPLE TRIGGERS THAT FIRE MULLETPLE BARRELS, I WANT TO SHOOT THREE Black folk OR SHOOT A Black person THREE TIMES. >I WILL SHOOT^3 YOU
BUILD A WALL OF GUNS
ALL TRIGGERS SET OFF ALL GUNS
100 PIERCE MINT LEGAL
A BILLION GUNS
A TRILLION TRIGGERS
I WILL END MEXICO
EVERY DOOR HANDLE IN AMERICA WILL FIRE MY WALL OF GUNS
EVERY STEP ON A SIDE WALK WILL SET OFF ANOTHER LEAD TSUNAMI
ALL OF THIS IS COMPLETELY LEGAL
I WANT A WALL OF GUNS ON THE BORDER >THERE'S NO LAWS AGAINST THE MEXICANTS BATMAN
(now do it again but in .410)
Actually, why has no one done this until now?
Plenty of 38/.357 levergats on the market, pump action would be easier to make or adapt an existing design to no?
Ok, get this
A tandem charge... but with bullets
A gun that shoots two bullets in close succession, nearly at once, in a way that makes them land in the exact same spot.
The first one will be a 5.7, to pierce soft armor, the other one a .500, to properly frick up the human behind it
They already sell tandem .308, duplex and triplex 38 special and 45 acp, and a bunch of memeshit shotgun loads with varying weights (small slug+ shot). Also two differently sized projectiles will either be glued together and act as one (a problem called swaging) or separate and have wildly different flight paths. The front one will destabilize the rear ones aerodynamics and throw it far enough off coarse that it will not land in the same hole as the first one.
Not him, but what about two projectiles in the same caliber, but the one in the front is solid hardened armor-piercing and the one in the back is frangible/hollow-point?
The hole left from the ap piercing would leave nothing for the hollow point to expand with. Hollow points need material to open them up. A hollow point with a core perpetrator might be possible to get to work. Example that comes to mind is RIP rounds, where they have a bunch of flakes and a copper core that keeps going. The rounds suck cause the holes the petals cause kinda just close cause they are so tiny but I see no reason why something of similar construction with petals that fold back but remain attached and a separate recessed core of dense material (tungsten) that keeps going on impact couldn't work.
I conjured this up without any chemical assistance, so it might actually not be moronic.
>MP7 >Mathematically optimized grip, grip angle, and magazine to allow the longest possible OAL cartridge >30 carbine or 5.56 necked to .204. Hybrid case (80-100kpsi), VLD bullets with point-like meplat/super low ff, mid-weight for caliber, ~40-45gr @3200+fps >35rd double stacks, or 50+rd quad stack/mini-drum >10” barrel >Large diameter Reflex can that adds minimal length to the barrel (scaling from extant super short 5.56 cans, ~3.5” added length is viable) >some form of mechanically reduced cyclic rate for actually useful full auto.
Et voila. You have a new assault rifle ~6 inches shorter than an m4 (INCLUDING the can, controlling for LOP) in a cartridge that OUTPERFORMS 5.56 in many ways, has less recoil, is much lighter - both the rifle and the ammo. Has the benefits of a bullpup without the weird ergos, shit trigger, or too far back center of mass. It’s perfect bros. Maybe it’s even holsterable.
A holsterable assault rifle is sort of cocaine-tier, right? Maybe I should go work at keltec.
Since we’re shooting off insane ideas with no mechanical explanations, I propose a rifle that pulls rounds BACKWARDS from the feed lips by the rim and delivers them to a chamber that sits BEHIND the magazine. Rifle version of the boberg bullpup pistol, except it doesn’t pull the bullets and dump powder all up in your gun’s internals.
Combine this with the MP7-type rifle I proposed and you can add like 2 or 3 inches to the barrel length for no additional overall length penalty. The barrel to overall length ratio would truly be bullpup-tier, but less gay.
a sort of long blow forward action.
Would be a damn weird recoil impulse to try and control.
Would even be properly called recoil or would it be a different word because the gun is trying to pull itself out of your hand instead of press itself into your hand?
Would you be able to balance out the mass of the barrel and chamber and it's forward moment against the mass and momentum of the rest of the gun to make it feel recoilless?
...
Damn Anon. Now you've got me thinking.
...
Back burner for about 10 years from now if my career path goes well. I might try and make it.
Oh no, not blow forward. That’s meth-tier, and we’re just amateur cokeheads.
I mean let’s say the bolt face/chamber are 2 inches behind the rim of the top cartridge in the stack. and let’s say this bolt face is going to move 3 inches during the backwards stroke of the BCG. I’m talking about some pulley/lever/gear/whatever contraption that pulls the top round back 5 inches, lifts it, lines it up with the bolt face, and then the BCG resumes its cycle like normal.
Hah. Yeah. But rifle version and mag-fed. No need for fancy mechanisms if the cartridge is just under the chamber.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Done.
1 year ago
Anonymous
REEEEE stop looking for loopholes.
>Mag-fed >Centerfire rifle caliber >Select fire
Like a real gun dude, not a meme.
Inb4 full auto mag-fed lever action
1 year ago
Anonymous
>stop looking for loopholes.
no mr atf man
1 year ago
Anonymous
list all requirements, I'm losing track but sounds like you want a pull style machine gun (as opposed to push through belts) that takes mags. Maxim guns do this but arn't selective fire (easy fix) and don't take mags (possible but not as easy). If I look long enough I can probably find an example though, as there were many hopper chute and mag experiments done with machine guns.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Basically a conventional pattern rifle, like an AR, but with the action moved way further back and with barrel length closer to that of a bullpup. That’s what I’m going for here, no beltfed, no manual action, just a free couple inches of barrel length. Dgaf how it’s accomplished, just that pull-back method seemed logical,
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Basically a conventional pattern rifle, like an AR, but with the action moved way further back and with barrel length closer to that of a bullpup.
18 inch barrel. >just a free couple inches of barrel length.
If it has room to lift a cartridge up, then you will gain no additional space from adding in all that extra stuff over just using a mag where the lifter is supposed to be. The bolt must move back the same amount either way to clear the chamber and have enough room for a cartridge to fit in it. There is one where cartridges are halfway in front of the chamber though...
EXAMPLE: G11 >frick normie rules.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Tell me this isn't exactly what you asked for.
1 year ago
Anonymous
list all requirements, I'm losing track but sounds like you want a pull style machine gun (as opposed to push through belts) that takes mags. Maxim guns do this but arn't selective fire (easy fix) and don't take mags (possible but not as easy). If I look long enough I can probably find an example though, as there were many hopper chute and mag experiments done with machine guns.
Forgot pic
1 year ago
Anonymous
list all requirements, I'm losing track but sounds like you want a pull style machine gun (as opposed to push through belts) that takes mags. Maxim guns do this but arn't selective fire (easy fix) and don't take mags (possible but not as easy). If I look long enough I can probably find an example though, as there were many hopper chute and mag experiments done with machine guns.
Maxim five-barrel machine gun, fed from overhead inserted magazines and later belt-fed. >t. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxim_gun
1 year ago
Anonymous
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TKB-022PM
look it's exactly the opposite of what you want, 3 inches forward and it even has a buffer zone.
Long blow forward action? like whole barrel moves forward to then actuate gun? some early handguns did that by using the drag of the bullet on the rifling to actuate things. I think there was a popular one in mexico that did it before the 1911 was a thing.
A telescoping barrel that works kind like an expanding baton
Every segment would be composed of several interlocking pieces forming an aperture of sorts, allowing the barrels to change their inner diameter to facilitate telescoping while preserving proper function
It's time to lean into the smart gun trend, but with none of the homosexual saftey features.
Small battery, recharged with the action of the gun.
Round counter.
User selectable automatic mag ejector when empty. User selectable automatic charging when insert fresh mag with nothing. Auto bolt release. Auto jam clearing via rack and tap. Bluetooth functionality for audible ques for all functions. Auto sight adjustment with applicable sites/semi automatic static zeroing with audible ques via ir laser.
Oh, and put together using mim molded plastic and woodscrews ofc.
Is wayyyyy past due, especially on exceptionally high capacity guns (drum fed, quad stack fed)
A spool of wire located in the mag basepad, with its other end connected to the follower. Some small electronics in the basepad that can communicate degrees of spool rotation - and thus the remaining capacity - to the optic, which will display the remaining rounds in the mag right next to the reticle. Dunno what tech you’d use, but I’d be astonished to learn that such tech doesn’t exist.
There’s the temptation by some companies to turn the red dot window into a HUD, and they display moronic shit that nobody ever needs to know, like rifle cant, optic battery level, etc. but round counter is actually a really useful thing that is worth the optic window real estate it takes up.
optic would be neat, but if the rifle doesn't already have a smart optic the feature would be useless. what about a tiny e-paper screen on the side of the magazine? the smallest I could find from a quick search was over 1" square, but I'm sure a smaller stamp sized display featuring just a 2 or 3 digit could be made if it doesn't exist already. these displays could then be sold to consumers without already having to own a several hundred dollar smart scope >This black and white square 200x200 pixel ePaper display module is a perfect size for small, low-power electronic shelf labels. >EPD/ePaper displays are bi-stable, meaning once an image is displayed on the ePaper, it remains visible even when the display is disconnected from power.
further reading (just remove all the wireless stuff to save cost):
https://www.hackster.io/news/lilygo-s-t-echo-is-a-tiny-battery-powered-epaper-display-with-lora-bluetooth-nfc-and-gps-radios-5b6e1ad5fb5e
>You don't need a proper E-paper display, though. You can just have 7-segment digits. I bet that would simplify it even further.
a 7-segment display would probably be simpler to implement (proubably by DIY), but the display would need to be powered to work (I mean you could put a solar bank on it but that would get muddy and be useless at night). I mentioned the e-paper specifically because it will display with no input power. A mag could be stored loaded and would still visually show its round count for example.
also, what about a magnetic strip that runs along the spine of the magazine. the sensors could measure the distance the follower has travelled to calculate how many rounds are remaining. I would worry that a spoil of wire hanging on to the follower could break withe repeated movement.
I mean you take the E-paper tech and use it to make a 7-segment display. Right now it's a 200x200 pixel grid but that seems very wasteful if all you're ever going to show is numbers.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I mean you take the E-paper tech and use it to make a 7-segment display. Right now it's a 200x200 pixel grid but that seems very wasteful if all you're ever going to show is numbers.
yes, that's exactly what I mean. though it looks like there's already a better solution out there. these could probably be 3d printed as I assume they're just mechanical:
It has nothing to do with a smart optic, just one added functionality to any red dot. Sig’s recent romeo9 (I think that’s what it’s called) has 2 zeros in 2 different colors that can be turned on simultaneously. It’s just that same tech with an adaptive LED.
The problem I think with putting it anywhere other than in the optic window is that you can’t see the live round count while shooting. If you have to look at the mag to get a round count reading, you mightaswell just use a translucent mag. The point of it in the optic is so you know when you’re running low, when the gun won’t fire, and how to time your reload. Maybe it’s a very niche use case, like only in high intensity firefights, but is still useful nonetheless and neat to have. Anything that consumes fuel always has a fuel gauge, it would be odd if it weren’t desirable on guns.. I imagine similar arguments could have been bade about LRBHO. “When are you not gonna have a extra second to rack the action?”, but alas LRBHO is ubiquitous now (‘cept on AKs Jfl at AK virgins)
you make a valid point, but how does the optic talk to the magazine? bluetooth? a little wire running from the magwell to the optic mount? then you have to buy an optic that has this functionality when you may already own a red dot. >make the magazine have a display AND bluetooth functionality. If you have a compatible optic it will display in the reticle, if not you can just look at your mag. plus the mag will display a count when stored.
Ya exactly. It’s gotta be a completely system purpose designed from the ground up. Too many sacrifices would have to be made in order to retrofit/be shoehorned into existing equipment, if it’s even possible.
No wires. It would have to talk to the optic wirelessly. I’m not well versed in tech, so I don’t know what would be used, and that’s why I said I would be astonished if no such tech exists in 2023. It would have to be something like Bluetooth, which is archaic for tech standards, so maybe whatever tech Bluetooth spawned or whatever it evolved into. And it would have to be smart, so the optic knows when to display info received and when not to. Example: a mag is in proximity but not inserted into the gun, so the round count should not read “30”. So the optic needs to know the location of the transmitting device relative to it, to confirm it’s coming from the right angle, or there has to be some button on the mag that interfaces with the magwell that will transmit only when pushed.
Bro, if I had the exact how-to on how to accomplish this, I would’ve made it already lol. I’m just spitballing in a keltec cocaine thread.
1 year ago
Anonymous
If you have that set up, then it'd be better to just have an NFC chip set up to communicate with the gun. NFC only lets you communicate along very short distances, it's used mainly for credit card payments. Your phone has NFC too. It uses very little energy and I believe it'd be the perfect technology for this so long as you're willing to modify your magwell with a receiver for the signal. I suppose you could then communicate this to the optic via a sort of smart picatinny rail with contacts for communicating with attached devices, sort of like in Battlefield 2042, or just with bluetooth between the gun and the optic (better than between the optic and the magazine. Bluetooth is a b***h to connect and disconnect) to transmit the data.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I forgot completely about NFC. but yeah, literally “near field communication’. Any tech that accomplished this.
If it uses very little energy, why not a small 2032 battery in the basepad? And why the modifications to the magwell if the basepad can speak directly to the optic or the gun via powered rails? The reason I imagined it speaking directly to the optic is cause it seems like a fricking nightmare trying to put all sorts of electronic devices and wires etc into a firearm design. Much more streamlined and simple if it talks to the optic, and the gun remains a dumb analog device. So no new gun needed, just an optic and mag
1 year ago
Anonymous
While it'd be nice to do that directly, and it's certainly possible with bluetooth, NFC has an extremely limited range so you'd need to put something in the magazine well. This also solves the problem of figuring out which magazine you want connected; Bluetooth has a range of a couple of meters. It might try to connect to mags in your carrier. I reckon you might be able to cram it into the mag release, actually, so you connect to your mag release from the optic and the mag release talks to the magazine.
1 year ago
Anonymous
That sounds like a really elegant solution. Are there problems that could arise from having an intermediate step between mag and optic? Does NFC have any shortcomings relevant to this use-case? What needs to go into the mag release? NFC sensor and battery, I’m guessing?
1 year ago
Anonymous
NFC sensor, battery, and of course a little microcontroller + bluetooth transmitter to actually get the data out. All of these can be made quite small, so there's definitely the possibility that this can fit. I'd be a little worried about structural integrity since that thing is usually solid metal, though I guess it'd probably be fine if you made it out of aluminium or maybe if you just had the NFC sensor in the mag release piece, and had a wire run out from it to a control box that you can affix to your quad rails (finally, something to put on your rails) - It'd be a small control box, much smaller than like a PEQ box.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Could all of that just be fit into a new block on the bottom of the magazine? Or would that be too far from the optic?
1 year ago
Anonymous
No, you could fit it all in the base of the magazine. The problem is that you won't necessarily know if it's inserted. Hence why I think it'd be better to have the bluetooth connection to a device in the lower receiver.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>No, you could fit it all in the base of the magazine. The problem is that you won't necessarily know if it's inserted. Hence why I think it'd be better to have the bluetooth connection to a device in the lower receiver.
I'm the other anon who's also not up to date on current tech. I would just think that having everything on the accessories rather than built into the gun would be more marketable and user friendly overall. No need to do gunsmithing on things you already own, and it could make the technology more versatile as it wouldn't necessarily be configured for a single platform.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I'm a software developer and I'm fairly up to date on current embedded technology, though it's not my day job.
Basically, while it would be nice to cut out the middleman, my concern is that Bluetooth is very unreliable when trying to pair with a specific device - if you've ever owned a phone and a pair of wireless headphones, or a car, or bluetooth speaker or whatever, you'll know what I'm talking about. Now, this would obviously be very bad during a gunfight. Bluetooth is also basically the only protocol I can think of that would be appropriate for trying to connect mags to your optic. You don't want to be waiting around for your mag to pair properly, you want it to know exactly what's up, right now. You especially don't want it to give you mag data for the weapons of people near you, or the magazines in your carrier. NFC is the best way to communicate in this situation. But it's too short ranged to reliably be able to go straight from the mag to the optic. So, I think the best way to handle this would be a middleman piece.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Pairing from mag to magwell via NFC seems very straightforward and optimal. Getting the data from magwell to optic is the bigger issue. I remarked earlier that it would be a real pain in the ass to design electronics and wires and so on into the gun, and I was especially considering some sort of metallic interface between the mag and magwell. For the most elegant solution, do you think it’s viable to send the data up to the optic through wires through the gun? No Bluetooth or any other wireless tech. Like a well protected wire that runs up to the rails (forget about lower to upper mating for now), and smart powered rails take over it from there. Mount the optic and it receives both data and power from the rail. This also solves the battery problem. Now the NFC receiver (or whatever it’s called) in the magwell can be powered by a central power bank that also powers the optic, PEQ, light, etc
Can RFID work instead of NFC? The part being scanned doesn’t require a battery. If the tags can be small enough, do you think it would be feasible to have 31 rotating tags, where only 1 is able to be scanned at a time, which contains a unique number 0-30, and the rest are behind, idk, a small faraday cage or something like that.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Seems like more complexity than an NFC tag. Yes, you could probably have a wired link that'll handle that. Eliminating Bluetooth will slightly reduce your emissions, but I doubt it'll make a practical difference, and plus, your chances of fighting an enemy with ELINT capability is slim. Pretty sure RFID tags aren't that precise either.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Same but I like that we have a similar idea
1 year ago
Anonymous
the problem with electronics is that they have waaay more potential failure states than a mechanical device. with metal parts you can visually verify if somethin isn't going to work, but the second you get electronics involved it introduces quantum mechanics
even if you introduce fail safe mechanisms and safeties the fundamental nature of electronic devices means that there's always a level of uncertainty. wireless technology appears to be foolproof to the user but if you look at the radio itself there is a shitload of noise and junk data the radio is sifting through to get you the outcome you desire and the uncertainty that a computer chip has to operate within to get a wireless signal is absolutely and completely unacceptable for firearms design. you don't design firearms that work 99% of the time you design firearms that work all of the time.
The RDB trigger is already insanely good out of the box IMO. It feels like a well polished AR-15 milspec trigger, but it's in a bullpup and it's stock.
Modernized sks with integral 4x scout scope (in 7.62 windage) and natural zero at 300m (change the barrel angle upwards so it crosses zero at 150?m and 300m). Keep the bayonet, improve the cleaning case spot in the butt, and add a longer cleaning rod so the barrel can be swapped properly, allow easier firing pin removal with a spring, compensating muzzle brake, lower the receiving housing into the stock and have an ambidextrous cheek weld, and increase the gas return piston size so its easier to swab, add a gas selector toggle above the return port which can be twisted with a casing, and keep iron sights with a combat pullback for 300m but improve the sight profiles and adjustment method. Keep the wood stock, improve the magazine latch button, and keep the two stage trigger. Also laser sight the bore/scope at factory to 1moa. Most importantly keep it Canadian market legal and under a grand. You will sell so many your accountants will drown in champagne. >No detachable mags. Factory pinned ten rounds to five so you don't lose spring strength. Safety is great, keep it. Dial a trigger weight would be magical. Being able to store the scope in the butt would be absolutely amazing. Oh and sling mounts. Basically the ultimate deer hunting rifle. I want to buy a dozen just reading this description.
The barrel is connected to a two-chamber revolving breech. When one chamber is in the firing position, the other is in the loading position. The gun has two magazines, one for powder and one for bullets. The whole thing is electronically controlled.
When you pull the trigger, an electronic spark plug in the back of the firing chamber ignites the powder and rotates the breech. Then, two solenoid arms reload the other chamber. You could have a dial or something to control the amount of powder that goes into the next shot. Manual backup loading handles are available so that you can go through this entire process even if the electronics fail.
The magazines can be canted to form a sort of "V" shape in order to avoid obstructing the sights. Only the bullet magazine needs to be detachable; the powder magazine can be topped up, and acts more like a hopper.
Furthermore, the gun would have a crank in the stock that you can use to recharge its internal battery.
> Advantages of such a system
It uses primitive ammunition that can be much more easily procured. No need for brass. No need for percussion caps. You can shroud the mechanism so that it's resistant to rain. It's the ultimate end-of-the-world firearm.
The barrel is connected to a two-chamber revolving breech. When one chamber is in the firing position, the other is in the loading position. The gun has two magazines, one for powder and one for bullets. The whole thing is electronically controlled.
When you pull the trigger, an electronic spark plug in the back of the firing chamber ignites the powder and rotates the breech. Then, two solenoid arms reload the other chamber. You could have a dial or something to control the amount of powder that goes into the next shot. Manual backup loading handles are available so that you can go through this entire process even if the electronics fail.
The magazines can be canted to form a sort of "V" shape in order to avoid obstructing the sights. Only the bullet magazine needs to be detachable; the powder magazine can be topped up, and acts more like a hopper.
Furthermore, the gun would have a crank in the stock that you can use to recharge its internal battery.
> Advantages of such a system
It uses primitive ammunition that can be much more easily procured. No need for brass. No need for percussion caps. You can shroud the mechanism so that it's resistant to rain. It's the ultimate end-of-the-world firearm.
That's been done. I'd love to see a modern interpretation
probably from rotating the arm, which rotates the attached cylinder, which centrifugally sends it forward. I suspect if you go too slow while pointing it at an upwards angle it would not work.
1 year ago
Anonymous
You're probably right. If the invention is as old as it looks, having to point the gun downwards as part of the reloading process probably wasn't seen as a problem.
>SNIIIFFFF
Ok so the tkb 022 >rails another line
But instead of shit soviet plastic from the 70s >SNIFFFFF
ahhh...... we put shit american plastic so it looks like a gun from halo >silence
What? >silence
Oh yeah! And have it in 6.8mm remington!
This thing but with polymer casings to keep weight down even further would unironically be dope. Fifty rounds of no recoil in a lightweight package feeding from fifty round magazines.
what is that thing?
*sniiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiif*
guy's elon musk is making rockets, he-
*sniiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiif*
FAST rockets. what if we like....
*snooooooooooooooooort*
what if we brought back the FRICKING gyrojet
Dream bigger
The 4.5 inter dynamics is 1/3 the weight of 5.56 already. Say polymer case brings it down to 1/4th (maybe even less). Right off the bat, a 120rd quad stack mag weighs the same as a 30rd 5.56 PMAG. Bring the gun’s weight down some, which shouldn’t be too hard, and you can hold a complete combat load on the gun at once. Imagine a p90 style mag running the entire length of the top, quad stacked, holding like 200-250rds.
Ah shit, I did say dream bigger lol. Ok fine, we’ll go from 50gr total cartridge weight to like 45gr.
Hang on.
Actually that’s a great idea. Omit the rim, and now you can have a case head smaller than what is permitted with rimless cartridges, while still having room for a primer.
Ok now make the case out of steel and crank the pressure up to 100kpsi. Beltfed from a 5,000 round backpack.
I've got a P17, P32 and P15. They've all been 100% reliable, the P17 is coming up on 4000 rounds and has been the best performing 22 I've ever ran. Kel Tec also has excellent customer service, fast shipping times and refuses to follow what all the other manufacturers are doing.
>*Sniiiiiifff,* snort*, aaaww yeaa, listen up guys I have an Idea , hang on , *sniiiiifff* ough . Here it goes.
5 shot Da/Sa Bulpup 12 gauge revolver and 5.45 combo slideaction rifle. Thumb selector switches the hammers +pump assemblyes, the safety is a crossbolt safety like the one on a benelli nova or rem 870. The (bothsides ) charging handle on top of the 545 barrel allows to rotate the 12 Ga cilindre backwards if pulled halfway and if pulled all the way pushes the SAA stile ejector. Lever in the back(not seen) puts it on halfwiener allowing you to freely spin the cilindre.
We will call it the kel tec 12 000 000
Ah, all right, everybody's packin' these days, right? Self-defense. Don't wanna be a victim. Sheep fricker. No! Sheep dog! Yo, bro... you gotta little blood dripping out there on your nostril. I got it! Last bullet in the magazine initiates an explosive, self-destruct mechanism. You literally can't lose! Whatta mean you gotta get a stamp? Register? With the feds? Feds?Here? Did you snitch me out you fricking gay - oh you mean our customers. No they definitely aint goin' for that, bro! Wait...ok ok ok - how's this: instead of a lot of smaller bullets...just one realllly big bullet? I know, Genius!
New series of target/hunting rifles that use a krag inspired magazine
A PCC where the magazine goes in the top, like an owen gun make it an underfolder
A ar18 derivative where the magazine goes in the side, like a sten or fg42.
A semi compact steel framed double stack .32 acp.
Start putting a Mauser 1914 pistol button safety on everything.
a tech-9 but in .410 gauge
Lastly: upside down garand in 243
>New series of target/hunting rifles that use a krag inspired magazine
Make a scaled down .22lr Krag in steel and hardwood and I will be all over it for hunting squirrels.
Tell Kel-tec to branch into holsters/webgear/plate carriers/chest rigs. Give Kel Tec a bunch, a LOT of LSD and lock them in a room filled with nothing with this picture until they come to.
Actual Kel Tec administrative employee here.
Had a pretty good laugh.
I showed some of these ideas to our management and they got a good kick out of it.
>*biiiig hiiit
You know those hats that hold a couple cans of beer with a straw? What if we took one of those and replaced the cans with selectable hoppers and the straw with a belt feed for a .22 pistol?
Kel-Tec does one thing well and that’s making autoloaders for rimmed cartridges with double or quad stacked mags. They should try these: >Semiautomatic 45-70 carbine with a double stack magazine. Drum magazine? >Semiautomatic .357magnum pistol with double stack magazine. Maybe also .327 magnum? >Semiautomatic .44magnum pistol with double stack magazine, shaped like C96 Mauser because having the magazine in the grip is probably too much. Maybe this configuration for the .357mag above too.
And because I want one: >bullpup in .30 carbine with 16” barrel that weighs basically nothing with a quad stack magazine that holds way too many rounds
I have to nitpick. That is not a quad stack magazine. Just because each column is slightly staggered doesn’t give it the same (or anywhere near) capacity enhancement as true quad stacks. If you squish a double stack mag’s stack together, you lose significant capacity IMMEDIATELY for trivial reductions in width. Look at the gap between cartridges in each stack. It’s a gimmick that nets you 2 rounds on each side, at best.
Remove the rim, make it cased telescoped, design an appropriate action (Ik easier said than done, but not impossible) reduce the case head size down to the cylinder diameter of 22lr (or magnum, whatever), and you can have a true quad stack mag with like 60+rd flush capacity, 100+ extended. And you get Low recoil, high cyclic rate, extreme capacity, controllable machine pistol
Also, the fronts of the cartridges are all touching eachother. That magazine is 2 single stacks put side-by-side, with the rims staggered to offset their extra width. Calling it a quad stack is just lying.
a hybrid DA/pump action tube/cylinder fed rimfire rifle. The tube is full of reusable cylinders containing 6rds of .22LR, you pump to get a cylinder in the action, fire six shots with each trigger pull rotating your cylinder, then pump to eject and load a new cylinder. It can also take 10/22 mags with a conversion kit.
no i won't draw a diagram. it was revealed to me in a dream.
(OP)
ALRIGHT >*Snnnnooooorrtttt*
SO, 45-70 HIGH CAPACITY FOLDING PCC *BUT* >*vomits*
-BUT IT'S CLIP FED INTO TWO 45DEGREE MAGAZINEs FORWARD OF THE TRIGGER FOR MAXIMUM USER COMFORT AND- >*Drinks a pint of everclear*
ONLY USES 3 SCREWS IN THE ENTIRE ASSEMBLY AND OF COURSE >*sneezes blood*
ITS PUMP ACTION AND CA COMPLIANT! >*dies*
>Grendel GSG-41
How about a bullpup .410-bore defense shotgun w/ a 12-round box magazine?
Grendel, Inc was the predecessor of Kel-Tec. They probably still have the blueprints.
>Grendel GSG-41
How about a bullpup .410-bore defense shotgun w/ a 12-round box magazine?
Grendel, Inc was the predecessor of Kel-Tec. They probably still have the blueprints.
But... why? Just move the grip in your ms paint gun to the back of the gun where the mag is, and you have a regular pistol that’s 1000x less complicated with superior ergos and shootability. Pistols are already semi bullpups anyway, and probably full bullpups if you consider the barrel length’s percentage of OAL
Polymer framed revolver in .30 Super Carry. Ejects cylinder like an enbloc after firing the last shot, top break. As many ugly screws as you can get on the frame.
It's a PCC that's chambered for .30 French Longue, but it takes standard Glock 17 magazines. The required feed system is slightly intricate, but luckily we can keep costs down by making the most important parts out of super soaker plastic.
>*snorts coke with a rolled up five dollar bill*
frick it. blow forward. >*more snorting*
but make it lever-delayed >*yet more snorting*
and a bullpup >*merciful silence*
it's a deer rifle, btw.
>*sniiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiffff* >*heart palpitations*
SO WE TAKE THE P90, RIGHT? AND WE CUT ALL USELESS CRAP OUT, MOVE THE GRIP AS FORWARD AS WE CAN, ADD VELCRO STRAP SO YOU CAN ATTACH IT PROPERLY TO YOUR ARM.... >*SNIIIIIIIIIIIFF*
...AND WE PUT IN A SENSOR THAT TRACKS WHERE THE GUN IS AIMED AT AND THEN LIKE CONNECTS TO YOUR GOOGLE GLASSES THROUGH BLUETOOTH SO YOU CAN SEE WHERE... >*more heath palpitations*
...WHERE THE GUN IS AIMING AT RIGHT?
>*foaming bubble of blood from nostril*
Bro hold up hold up >snorts of line of coke mixed with said nosebleed
What if we give it the form factor of a Dustbuster
> rifle cartridge in pistol revolver shooting gun
No.
A few years ago some asshat did that with 7x62x39 and it triggered the fun police (ATF) to drop some ban on import of certain types of foreign made ammo.
> just because you can, doesn't mean you should
Anon... there's already a billion pistols around that shoot rifle rounds in the form of things like AR "pistols". There is no poisoning the well involved here making a revolver shoot them.
I think that was 5.45 x 39, someone made a "handgun" in it, so we couldn't get mild steel core rounds anymore.
Yup. That was it.
> the fricking industry said "don't do this"
> he did anyway
Consider the following:
Thompson Arms have been making handguns in every fricking rifle caliber under the sun since the sixties. Not to mention every fricking AR and AK "pistol" that have been extremely popular as of late.
That was just Obama being an Obummer.
Shoot the ATF, not the fun havers.
You have summoned wrong demon,Anon.
It can be done.
a compact frame but full barrel length handgun that uses tapcons, that takes usp magazines, and is DAO.
dude what if the barrel was made of supressors
>*hollywood lines
WHATEVER THE FRICK WE DO ITS GOTTA HAVE ALOT OF PLASTIC AND NO ONE ASKED FOR IT!
>more coke
haha drug meme I heard from videoman
An autoloading pistol, made out of steel, with a short recoil action
I know of multiple examples, what caliber?
>45 ACP
There also exists an incomplete prototype that is a short recoil->toggle locked design that I can't find right now. It's barrel looks like a car piston.
Triple barreled, adjustable spread, Salvo fire, triple magazined (p50), pistol.
They could call it the P350 or the P150.
>P-treefiddy
A six shot double action revolving cylinder rifle that also ejects spent rounds with a SAA style gate and has a six round tube mag in the stock that feeds another round into the empty cylinder after it ejects.
You seek a rifle variant of Maurice the Franken Ruger, which is both a 9mm and 38 special, Detachable quick change tube magazine, auto ejecting revolver.
>Franken Ruger
big gun for big men
Not the one I was talking about.
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/03/03/maurice-frankenruger-magazine-fed-revolver/
>https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/03/03/maurice-frankenruger-magazine-fed-revolver/
okay that is pretty fricking cool
What the frick. Also he should've done it on a DA revolver but still, WHAT THE FRICK?
If you can excuse a two-round cylinder solely for feeding rounds from the mag to the bang tube (it also ejects the casings as it rotates), this is the mechanism you want.
I really want to see what Kel-Tec would do with this one.
the RDB-S is the only weird thing keltec has made, everything else is just gimmicky.
Magazine fed 22 lever action.
bullpup bolt action mag fed 410 that also shoots 45 colt with a 10 inch barrel
So you want this with a short barrel?
https://mjlmilitaria.com/section-1-2-immaculate-ww1-1918-dated-springfield-m1903-mk1-410-shotgun/
Combined with this
https://www.springfieldforum.com/threads/springfield-1903-bullpup.3086/
>https://mjlmilitaria.com/section-1-2-immaculate-ww1-1918-dated-springfield-m1903-mk1-410-shotgun/
its in Bongistan 🙁 that shotgun will be binned before long. i hate seeing bongs talk about guns. it's like listening to a vegan talk about cooking steak
also it uses coffin mags
keltecs first revolver in .25acp. target model, 8 shot with a 10 inch barrel
> smokes fentanyl
So I played this video game
> sniffs glue
It's called Fallout. Lotta guns.
> snorts rail of ground up Sudafed off dead hooker's breasts
There's this shotgun.
> shotguns bottle of cough syrup
I say we modernize it with cap screws and injection molded parts. And pic rail. Gotta have pic rail.
> does enema of Fireball
Let's get to work.
Would you accept a bag of soda pop bottle caps, and a shit load of used books, as payment?
>and a shit load of used books,
we talking fiction or like manuals and skill books?
I've got some small books, some large books, a fistfull of magazines I don't really have use for, and because I like you, I'll throw in some sensor modules.
> hold on, let me put on this hat, I think your prices will improve
these designs are about 1000x better than the fallout 4 pipe garbage we got. first thing I do when I replay it is mod them out of the game entirely
> fallout combat shotgun
So I recently visited D.C. as a chaperone on a high school trip.
> some of the students identified with the landmarks they'd seen in Fallout 3
> Foggy Bottom
> L'Enfant Circle
> Pentagon - "hey, that building is in Fallout"
Pentagon is not in DC
Oh for frick's sake. It's on the DC metro. Close enough.
Fallout doesn’t have a lot of guns, it has about a dozen guns that each have a hundred modifications.
double barrel, double action, double caliber, double magazine roller delayed blowback machine pistol (or semi).
grip magazine takes 9x19
side magazine(on the left or right) takes 5.7x28
We call it the "big wazzo flazzo"
what about a carousel-system to feed rounds?
Browning patented a hopper with a sprocket that looked kinda similar for a gun that the fun never ends. Literally just dump rounds in it pointed forward.
Could we go into ammo development instead of gun development for once? I personally wouldn't mind shotgun shells that sound like farts when you shoot them out of a KSG.
>The RDB-30
A .308 bullpup built off the RDB design using SR-25/LR-308 pattern magazines. The RDB action is way simpler and cheaper to manufacture than the RFB so the RDB could be made in the low $1000 MSRP pricerange.
The SDB
>Shotgun
>Downward Ejecting
>Bullpup
A semi automatic magazine fed bullpup shotgun that hopefully doesn't suck. Alternate names could be the SADS, SADB, SSDB, etc.
>The KSGS-12
A inertia-based semi-auto KSG-12. Name is a nod to the USAS-12. Still uses selectable magazine tubes.
two more coming with shoops
>The Kel-Tec Defender
It's the famous COP 357 derringer but in .45LC/.410. 4 shots of your choice of ammo fired semiautomatically with a rotating striker. Ideally it would either auto-index on close or have an external indicator to show which barrel the striker will fire next so you can plan a load order.
picrel is an airsoft gun I didn't know existed but is exactly what I was thinking it would look like. I guess I don't need shoops afterall.
These are all really fricking good ideas. Someone needs to print out these posts, tape them to a kilo of coke, and send it to the KelTec board of directors immediately.
That thing really needs to have a better trigger though. Try the trigger on one of those things, it is STUPID heavy. Unironic old chrome staple gun-tier.
t. played with one once
I tried to find the real trigger pull weight for clarification and came up empty, except for some complaints:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COP_.357_Derringer
>Two complaints about the COP .357 are that it is too heavy to be used as a backup gun, and that the trigger pull is too heavy for rapid fire, even heavier than most modern revolvers.
https://www.forgottenweapons.com/the-most-80s-gun-ever-cop-357-at-the-backup-gun-match/
>It’s also an awful pistol to shoot. The trigger is one of the worst I’ve ever felt
https://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=367050
>Trigger pull is about 63,000 lbs +/- 1 ton.
https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/advice-on-cop-357-for-ccw.3913/
>I would tell you the pull weight if I knew, but my trigger pull gauge only goes to 25 pounds.
kek
the more I think about this, the more I like it. The low capacity even makes it eligible for ban states. Load up 4x .410 buckshot and it's like using duplexing for 8 rounds of .380.
BUILD IT
that's basically how old-timey gatling guns worked, the tall magazines were really just gravity fed hoppers of 45-70
>the COP fails
>the reliant9 fails
>ItS goNnA WoRk tHis TiME gUYs
>semi automatic magazine fed bullpup shotgun
Sam Bus
RDB 30 is actually legit good idea.
>The Kel-Tec R6
Literally just an American made MP-412 REX. A polymer framed, 6 shot, break-action, .357 magnum revolver. It would feature swappable ejectors to allow either 6 shot speedloaders or moonclips. Would be the first in a new line of revolvers.
>The Kel-Tec Sidewinder
A revolver with a side swing-open design. It would use a polymer coated steel frame (think Five-Seven) and it's gimmick would be quick caliber swaps. The barrels would be an interrupted thread design with cross bolt push-button lock to secure it and quick swap cylinders. It would come from the factory in your choice of caliber with additional caliber kits consisting of barrels and cylinders sold separately. Make it the Thompson Center Contender of revolvers.
>The Kel-Tec Sidewinder
>its a 90% polymer air to air missile
>looks like it will fall apart from 2G's of force but still works well
>fits on a Cessna
Apparently I'm on the Kel-Tec coke today so here's another one.
>The Kel-Tec CP2
Basically the T/C Contender, but instead of swappable upper, it's a trunnion that you can lock two barrels into. This turns it into the pistol version of a break action double-rifle, except you can swap amongst bunches of different calibers or a .45/410 barrel.
DAO revolver rifle, but the cylinder is ejectable and there is a mag tube full of cylinders than can be loaded by pump action.
>PMR30 with a 6" barrel
>SUB2000 in 10mm
>Fixed-barrel 9mm blowback target pistol with optics rail that weighs no more than 40 ounces and takes Glock mags
Oops wrong pic
cool ideas, and uh enjoy the vacation i guess? Late enough jannies might not care
Separate your porn from your shitpostan folder ya dingus.
Also, piss is only hot when it's desperation/pain induced.
RDB 10
this in 8 ga with a 3 1/2 in shell
Toggle lock 12 gauge shotgun with a mag tube.
Or unironically just license the design from Microsoft and build Halo shotguns.
Msft would never let you, "Company uses games to sell guns." is a terrible pr.
Folding stock, pistol grip, straight pull bolt action rifle with krag-jorgensen style loading gate. Chambered in 350 legend, because frick you.
Name needed.
this
and yes i do need it to be able to fire rifle grenades
wat gam?
>store.steampowered.com/app/1378290/The_Citadel/
Bullpup rotary magazine fed .400 Legend pump action.
>sniffff
alright here me out, two triggers for faster firing in the same shitty plastic
I'd get one with double binary triggers.
I like it, too bad Washington State law says the device can't exceed 5 rounds per second, but that could help somewhere else with different dumb gun laws.
So all revolvers are out? All semi-autos are out? All guns are out? Just get better fingers/grip combo and you can out cycle most slower guns (600rpm).
HINT:
>your trigger finger is on your left hand, and you are holding the rear grip with your right hand.
Some republican politician made the point that he could exceed 5 rounds per second semi-auto. They didn't care, but they're not banning semi-auto or revolvers. I think it's just something that would get invoked for binary triggers, two triggers, or other innovations in fire rate.
A hammerless Lever action rifle with double mag tubes (like the KSG)
>snifffff
chambered in .410/45LC
Why does everyone say Keltec employees do cocaine all the time? Is there anything to support this, besides their whacky guns?
no
How about
>SNIIIIIFF
Another worthless piece of dogshit plastic held together with 80 screws
Polymer C96 in 9mm, stripper clip internal magazine fed, 10 or 20 rounds, or a detachable mag kit,!with options for an optics cut, threaded barrel, fiber optic suppressor height sights.
Make the same thing but a carbine version
Make both of those in .22lr as well
Where exactly would you optics cut it?
Could be like this, but I would personally prefer a racegun-style fixed bridge (with the best optic, of course).
Im ashamed to admit how much i like that.
Circuit Judge but even worse QC in .45-70+p, with PTRS-41 muzzle device & requisite waffle handguard
>as is tradition
A handgun in 30 carbine with a 12 inch barrel.
>Since 30 carbine has similar dimensions to 5.7x28, 20 round ammo capacity should be doable.
>Probably getting ~1700 fps, it might threaten IIIA.
>With a pistol red dot and flat shooting ammo, it might be decent out to a little beyond 100 yards.
>Since the velocity is high, it gives a lot of kinetic energy for the recoil.
Automag III or Ruger Blackhawk?
Automag III was single stack. We're talking Keltec , so it would naturally have huge ammo capacity. Also, those guns had too much muzzle blast, hence extra long barrel.
How about a 4 gauge shotgun with a recoil mitigation mechanism off an anti-tank rifle?
I want a recoilless 50 cal.
https://invidious.kavin.rocks/watch?v=lHQfQPSlSHg
Doublestack .25acp carry pistol in DA/SA, 20 round capacity
ngl I actually want that
One could try and adapt a new 80X Cheetah, by using a new barrel, very weak recoil spring and probably a new magazine follower.
What would make it Keltec-tier would be if they made a .25 Super: lengthen the case by about 2mm, double the pressure to modern levels (~45kpsi). It could still fire .25 ACP (with a weaker recoil spring) as it would still headspace on the semi-rim, and you could have a 50 grain at about 1200FPS that way. Not too impressive, but 20 of them? Sounds decent.
>.25 Super
I like that concept. Ammo commonality is nice, and your proposed .25 super would probably also well accommodate direct blow-back, but it could go even longer and be like a smaller diameter 30 super carry (64 grains 1250 fps). At 7.1mm case diameter and rimless, maybe you could have a quad-stack magazine in a handgun grip? That would be very Keltec.
Anything in .25 ACP is dumb as frick
youre dum as frick boi
filtered
Sorry, I don’t like guns with a single finger grip and ballistics even worse than .22 LR. Maybe as meme/gun range toy, but it doesn’t even seem fun to shoot.
you are a moron
>22lr balllistics are calculated when shooting from a rifle length barrel
>25ACP and 22lr have nearly identical ballistics from a pistol length barrel but 25 is centerfire so inherently more reliable
They make fast burning .22 LR anon. Look up Federal Punch or Winchester Silvertips. Specifically made for handgun length barrels and has more energy than .25 ACP. I don’t know why you’re even arguing about this they’re both ass compared to even something like .32 ACP.
because I want a 20 round pocket rocket in 25 ACP
A lever action revolving shotgun, but ghetto cyber punk plastic.
integrally suppressed p32
*SNIIIIIIIIIF* ALRIGHT HEAR ME OUT!
A 20 round, bullpup revolver chambered in 5.7
I got one. take a glock mag and turn it upside down. get like 12 of those b***hes in 4 rows of 3 in a receiver. 12 barrels in the same 4 rows of 3 vertically.
oh... and make it look like the needler from halo. AND THE MAGS MUST BE CLEAR OR ELSE IT WONT WORK. WORT WORT WORT.
*snort* what if we make. A rifle that us literally gas operated? We can use the fuel tank as a stock
Myanmar called.
They want their gun back.
>And their freedom.
Way ahead of ya
that's one kino design
The best part is hydrazine combusts in the presence of oxygen.
Look up some mishaps with the Me 163 interceptor for more information on what hydrazine does to a human body. Or was it the T-Stoff oxidizer they used that dissolved people? I don't recall.
It was the wood glue unironically that dissolved people. Also
>The best part is hydrazine combusts in the presence of oxygen.
Is very true, as in if someone hits the gun with a bullet and it pierces it would be SIGNIFICANTLY worse than getting hit while wearing a flame thrower tank.
what if... now hear me out...
what if we used the bullet as fuel by pumping chloride pentafluoride into the bullet?
>Hydrazine propellant
>Next to your face
Frick no. What is this, the YOLO gun?
George Kellgren has said before that he just designs shit that he likes, personally which is pretty based
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Friendly reminder that Kel-Tec is in Cocoa Florida
The 2nd most unsafe Black person town in the entire state
It is on Cox Road, just a mile from crack town.
They do treat their employees pretty well and have a loyal following, most employees will receieve a free gun after 90 days, using Kel-Tec Points.
I have several friends that have worked there over the years.
Also, down the road is Diamon back,
Dimond back is a white trailer trash Black person meeting area, never buy one item from these homosexuals, as they are sub humans who thrive in meth and trailers
Gosh, I used to surf there in the 80s
<sniiiiiiiIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIF>
Okay guys, just throw them at me. Brainstorm the shit out of this. Let's fricking GOOOOO!
> uhhhhhh, mag fed semi auto .410
Got it.
> 3 round .30-30 hunting revolver
It's up there.
> 1 bore rifle and we load golf balls as projectiles
Keep 'em coming.
> Top loading .22lr Gauntling gun that you hold like a leaf blower
Whiteboard go BRRRRRRRRRR
> 20 guage rifled shotgun that only shoots broadhead arrows
More. MORE!
> Break action over/under rifle in 9mm and 7.62x39
>Over-under in 7.62x39
... I'd genuinely take that hiking.
Mag fed semi auto .410s already exist
*sniff snoof snort*
>what if we resurrected the ak45
*room collectively gasps*
>in 30-06
*room violently cheers*
I've posted this before, but I want an M1 Garand clone chambered in .22LR that takes 10 round Ruger 10/22 magazines just like en-bloc clips.
Load the 10 round magazine in through the TOP of the action, and it functions just like a normal en-bloc clip. Also ejects out the top AND makes a realistic metallic *ping* when ejected.
It must be made of steel and walnut just like a real M1.
It must be the same size and have the same outward appearance as a real M1.
While we're at it, I want a threaded barrel because suppressed .22s are very neat.
Impossible? Yes. But Kel-Tec is the only company that would be autistic enough to try it.
>picrel
Make it 20 rounds and you got my vote.
I'd love a 20 round capacity, but Ruger doesn't make 20 round rotary 10/22 magazines. And a 10 round magazine is pretty dang close to the actual size of an en-bloc clip.
Sidenote, a Wa2000 clone in 300NM would be fricking sex.
Ah that's fair, comparability is important.
I still frick with it, a M1-22 would be a fricking BLAST as a trainer and just shooting random shit.
Holy fricking WANT
🙂
Yeah I know it wouldn't work with stock 10/22 magazines, so there would need to be a slightly different magazine design. But if the mags were still 10/22 compatible, that'd be awesome.
This would be a very based gun.
I'm not a gun designer, so that's why I keep posting it in the Kel-Tec R&D (moronation and Drugs) threads. Let them figure out the internals.
You could probably make a very cheap and easy to manufacture mag if you tried it with the prototype 10/22 mag design. It was sheetmetal and castings. https://tincanbandit.blogspot.com/2018/10/featured-gun-ruger-1022.html
Based 10/22 top feed magazine autist. If this moronation were made I would hunt squirrels with it. But you might need to modify the internals of the mag to get an auto bolt hold open or some kind of trip/pusher to let the gun "know" the last round was shot to let it eject. Basically something in the mag that pushes the "mag release" button.
its so fricking stupid it just
might
work
I'll take that compliment
I bought a 10/22 and bought the mini 14, I'll buy another .22 if this becomes a thing
Based
I have my Halo 2 Battle Rifle because they are so based
50 BMG revolver rifle that uses the Benelli system
>The kek-tek 69
Rifle that fires forward and backwards at the same time to eliminate recoil. This allows advanced operators on infiltration missions to maintain 360 Defence(TM). Comes with mirror sights to see behind you.
>The Fibonacci 7
A carbine that has spiraling barrels in sequential smaller calibers, starting with 500 S&W, .460 S&W, then 44 Mag, .41 mag, 357 mag, 327 mag, .22 mag. The idea being that you never know what animal you may find on the hunt, be it grizzly bear or squirrel, and finally there's a Gun That Does It All (TM)
>The Kel-Tec Free Trapper
Literally just a replica of a sharps rifle in 45/70 with a pic rail. Optional walnut stock.
Pearls before swine.
>Snifff
338 Lapua Bullpup
https://deserttech.com/srs.php
The big un even goes up to .50 BMG.
But that one is bolt, need to keep the rfb forward ejecting thing goin
Milkor MGL lookalike which uses blank cartridges to fire 40 mm rubber balls. Or an air rifle with build in 20V air compressor.
Piston 38 Super piston driven pistol that is loaded with 10 round m1 garand style clips that ping
Kel-Tec has openings in their design department.
You'd be a great fit.
>garand style clips that ping
Buddy, you might actually have a future in this business.
How do we turn a nail gun into a semi-automatic dart launcher?
We need a new over-under rifle-shotgun combo. Break action, classic stuff.
But.
Hea-
Hear me out.
This is the important part.
It needs-
It needs two, two magazines.
Yeah.
Two thirty-round box magazines.
Oh yeah baby.
Three-o-eight and twelve gauge.
Tho maaaaybe we should make the top shotgun mag one of those- those round things? Whatcha call them? Barrel? Oh yeah drum mag.
One on top, one on bottom. You following me?
And it's gotta be break action, alright?
Rifle. Shotgun. Two thirty rounders. Break action. Everyone will buy it. It's got something for everyone. We'll be stinkin' rich.
>*walks in with a bloody nose and a 2 foot long can*
>"I think I made a 200 round helical 5.56 mag"
>how did you manage that?
>"I... I don't know"
5 shot nagant revolver clone with the gap seal, suppressor height sights, and threaded barrel... chambered in 380ACP and 9mm using the same system as a Medusa.
Nagant style relies on a non-circumsized cartridge to work, so won't work with regular 9mm.
I think that's why anon mentioned the Medusa, it's neat stuff. too bad they break some times and you can't find replacement parts
literally just make this shit again but with shockwave zmags and non-cracking charging handles.
DA/SA
With selectable Full Auto
8 shot
6 o'clock revolver
in 327 federal mag
>Fullmoron revolver
Sounds like a recipe for a mistiming on the cylinder turning your hands into mush.
I'll take 3.
>full auto revolver
Would love to see it done tbh, just for the engineering marvel it would be.
I don't think it'd be much more complicated than the webly. I mean it's already halfway there. You just need to make the mechanism such that the hammer falls again without the trigger being pulled, an interruptable sear that functions on the backward/forward momentum of the cylinder frame.
Says the guy who isn't a gunsmith, has only taken apart two revolvers, and doesn't actually know much of anything about what he's spouting off about...
Yeah, you’re right. Now that i think of it, There is a semi auto revolver, the Mateba 6 unica. Top half of the gun is like a slide that reciprocates some short distance and that advances the cylinder. Simply connect that to an auto sear and you have full auto. Still though, id love to see one made. It’s just so moronic kek.
Ooh, ooh, sir, I have one!
You know how T/C makes modular single-shot guns? Well what if we make modular DOUBLE RIFLES that you can swap out individual barrels on and also make them all tactical and shit? You should also be able to fire both barrels at the same time if you want.
>You should also be able to fire both barrels at the same time if you want.
you're saying *SNIFFFFF* we should make machine guns?
I have to point out that you have triple digits
>you're saying *SNIFFFFF* we should make machine guns?
Seeing as they're not self-loading we should be fine. However, we should also make the barrels hot-swappable for faster reloading; just push a button to drop the current barrel and just slap the new one on.
Think of the endorsements from trick shooters!
Not a machine gun. VOLLY GUNS, EVEN FRICKING REPEATING VOLLY GUNS, ARE COMPLETELY LEGAL.
>SO FRICKING LEGAL
SO ARE GUNS WITH MULTIPLE TRIGGERS THAT FIRE ONE BARREL, SO ARE MULTIPLE TRIGGERS THAT FIRE MULLETPLE BARRELS, I WANT TO SHOOT THREE Black folk OR SHOOT A Black person THREE TIMES.
>I WILL SHOOT^3 YOU
BUILD A WALL OF GUNS
ALL TRIGGERS SET OFF ALL GUNS
100 PIERCE MINT LEGAL
A BILLION GUNS
A TRILLION TRIGGERS
I WILL END MEXICO
EVERY DOOR HANDLE IN AMERICA WILL FIRE MY WALL OF GUNS
EVERY STEP ON A SIDE WALK WILL SET OFF ANOTHER LEAD TSUNAMI
ALL OF THIS IS COMPLETELY LEGAL
I WANT A WALL OF GUNS ON THE BORDER
>THERE'S NO LAWS AGAINST THE MEXICANTS BATMAN
(now do it again but in .410)
>I WILL SHOOT^3 YOU
>SNIIIIIIIIIIIFFFF
Single action only, rotating barrel tube fed handgun chambered in 12 gauge minishells.
Pump action tube fed .357 with an 18" barrel.
Just the ticket for poor frickers that live in Anti-Gun gay states.
Price point $500
Actually, why has no one done this until now?
Plenty of 38/.357 levergats on the market, pump action would be easier to make or adapt an existing design to no?
Ok, get this
A tandem charge... but with bullets
A gun that shoots two bullets in close succession, nearly at once, in a way that makes them land in the exact same spot.
The first one will be a 5.7, to pierce soft armor, the other one a .500, to properly frick up the human behind it
They already sell tandem .308, duplex and triplex 38 special and 45 acp, and a bunch of memeshit shotgun loads with varying weights (small slug+ shot). Also two differently sized projectiles will either be glued together and act as one (a problem called swaging) or separate and have wildly different flight paths. The front one will destabilize the rear ones aerodynamics and throw it far enough off coarse that it will not land in the same hole as the first one.
Not him, but what about two projectiles in the same caliber, but the one in the front is solid hardened armor-piercing and the one in the back is frangible/hollow-point?
The hole left from the ap piercing would leave nothing for the hollow point to expand with. Hollow points need material to open them up. A hollow point with a core perpetrator might be possible to get to work. Example that comes to mind is RIP rounds, where they have a bunch of flakes and a copper core that keeps going. The rounds suck cause the holes the petals cause kinda just close cause they are so tiny but I see no reason why something of similar construction with petals that fold back but remain attached and a separate recessed core of dense material (tungsten) that keeps going on impact couldn't work.
A lever action .50AE rifle fed from a top down single stack 15 rounds magazine, made with waffle chinesium plastic e 168 Philips screws.
this post was done by a boomer and his 12yo nephew.
giant polymer screw made of screws that shoots screws
I conjured this up without any chemical assistance, so it might actually not be moronic.
>MP7
>Mathematically optimized grip, grip angle, and magazine to allow the longest possible OAL cartridge
>30 carbine or 5.56 necked to .204. Hybrid case (80-100kpsi), VLD bullets with point-like meplat/super low ff, mid-weight for caliber, ~40-45gr @3200+fps
>35rd double stacks, or 50+rd quad stack/mini-drum
>10” barrel
>Large diameter Reflex can that adds minimal length to the barrel (scaling from extant super short 5.56 cans, ~3.5” added length is viable)
>some form of mechanically reduced cyclic rate for actually useful full auto.
Et voila. You have a new assault rifle ~6 inches shorter than an m4 (INCLUDING the can, controlling for LOP) in a cartridge that OUTPERFORMS 5.56 in many ways, has less recoil, is much lighter - both the rifle and the ammo. Has the benefits of a bullpup without the weird ergos, shit trigger, or too far back center of mass. It’s perfect bros. Maybe it’s even holsterable.
A holsterable assault rifle is sort of cocaine-tier, right? Maybe I should go work at keltec.
Cont.
Since we’re shooting off insane ideas with no mechanical explanations, I propose a rifle that pulls rounds BACKWARDS from the feed lips by the rim and delivers them to a chamber that sits BEHIND the magazine. Rifle version of the boberg bullpup pistol, except it doesn’t pull the bullets and dump powder all up in your gun’s internals.
Combine this with the MP7-type rifle I proposed and you can add like 2 or 3 inches to the barrel length for no additional overall length penalty. The barrel to overall length ratio would truly be bullpup-tier, but less gay.
a sort of long blow forward action.
Would be a damn weird recoil impulse to try and control.
Would even be properly called recoil or would it be a different word because the gun is trying to pull itself out of your hand instead of press itself into your hand?
Would you be able to balance out the mass of the barrel and chamber and it's forward moment against the mass and momentum of the rest of the gun to make it feel recoilless?
...
Damn Anon. Now you've got me thinking.
...
Back burner for about 10 years from now if my career path goes well. I might try and make it.
Oh no, not blow forward. That’s meth-tier, and we’re just amateur cokeheads.
I mean let’s say the bolt face/chamber are 2 inches behind the rim of the top cartridge in the stack. and let’s say this bolt face is going to move 3 inches during the backwards stroke of the BCG. I’m talking about some pulley/lever/gear/whatever contraption that pulls the top round back 5 inches, lifts it, lines it up with the bolt face, and then the BCG resumes its cycle like normal.
You mean a pump shotgun don"t you?
>piss
Hah. Yeah. But rifle version and mag-fed. No need for fancy mechanisms if the cartridge is just under the chamber.
Done.
REEEEE stop looking for loopholes.
>Mag-fed
>Centerfire rifle caliber
>Select fire
Like a real gun dude, not a meme.
Inb4 full auto mag-fed lever action
>stop looking for loopholes.
no mr atf man
list all requirements, I'm losing track but sounds like you want a pull style machine gun (as opposed to push through belts) that takes mags. Maxim guns do this but arn't selective fire (easy fix) and don't take mags (possible but not as easy). If I look long enough I can probably find an example though, as there were many hopper chute and mag experiments done with machine guns.
Basically a conventional pattern rifle, like an AR, but with the action moved way further back and with barrel length closer to that of a bullpup. That’s what I’m going for here, no beltfed, no manual action, just a free couple inches of barrel length. Dgaf how it’s accomplished, just that pull-back method seemed logical,
>Basically a conventional pattern rifle, like an AR, but with the action moved way further back and with barrel length closer to that of a bullpup.
18 inch barrel.
>just a free couple inches of barrel length.
If it has room to lift a cartridge up, then you will gain no additional space from adding in all that extra stuff over just using a mag where the lifter is supposed to be. The bolt must move back the same amount either way to clear the chamber and have enough room for a cartridge to fit in it. There is one where cartridges are halfway in front of the chamber though...
EXAMPLE: G11
>frick normie rules.
Tell me this isn't exactly what you asked for.
Forgot pic
Maxim five-barrel machine gun, fed from overhead inserted magazines and later belt-fed.
>t. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxim_gun
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TKB-022PM
look it's exactly the opposite of what you want, 3 inches forward and it even has a buffer zone.
Long blow forward action? like whole barrel moves forward to then actuate gun? some early handguns did that by using the drag of the bullet on the rifling to actuate things. I think there was a popular one in mexico that did it before the 1911 was a thing.
the czechs tried this actually
that looks awesome.
What’s it called?
Sa 81 Krása
Thanks. Looks really interesting
np
here's a later version in 5.56
A telescoping barrel that works kind like an expanding baton
Every segment would be composed of several interlocking pieces forming an aperture of sorts, allowing the barrels to change their inner diameter to facilitate telescoping while preserving proper function
It's time to lean into the smart gun trend, but with none of the homosexual saftey features.
Small battery, recharged with the action of the gun.
Round counter.
User selectable automatic mag ejector when empty. User selectable automatic charging when insert fresh mag with nothing. Auto bolt release. Auto jam clearing via rack and tap. Bluetooth functionality for audible ques for all functions. Auto sight adjustment with applicable sites/semi automatic static zeroing with audible ques via ir laser.
Oh, and put together using mim molded plastic and woodscrews ofc.
>round counter
Is wayyyyy past due, especially on exceptionally high capacity guns (drum fed, quad stack fed)
A spool of wire located in the mag basepad, with its other end connected to the follower. Some small electronics in the basepad that can communicate degrees of spool rotation - and thus the remaining capacity - to the optic, which will display the remaining rounds in the mag right next to the reticle. Dunno what tech you’d use, but I’d be astonished to learn that such tech doesn’t exist.
There’s the temptation by some companies to turn the red dot window into a HUD, and they display moronic shit that nobody ever needs to know, like rifle cant, optic battery level, etc. but round counter is actually a really useful thing that is worth the optic window real estate it takes up.
optic would be neat, but if the rifle doesn't already have a smart optic the feature would be useless. what about a tiny e-paper screen on the side of the magazine? the smallest I could find from a quick search was over 1" square, but I'm sure a smaller stamp sized display featuring just a 2 or 3 digit could be made if it doesn't exist already. these displays could then be sold to consumers without already having to own a several hundred dollar smart scope
>This black and white square 200x200 pixel ePaper display module is a perfect size for small, low-power electronic shelf labels.
>EPD/ePaper displays are bi-stable, meaning once an image is displayed on the ePaper, it remains visible even when the display is disconnected from power.
further reading (just remove all the wireless stuff to save cost):
https://www.hackster.io/news/lilygo-s-t-echo-is-a-tiny-battery-powered-epaper-display-with-lora-bluetooth-nfc-and-gps-radios-5b6e1ad5fb5e
=
You don't need a proper E-paper display, though. You can just have 7-segment digits. I bet that would simplify it even further.
>You don't need a proper E-paper display, though. You can just have 7-segment digits. I bet that would simplify it even further.
a 7-segment display would probably be simpler to implement (proubably by DIY), but the display would need to be powered to work (I mean you could put a solar bank on it but that would get muddy and be useless at night). I mentioned the e-paper specifically because it will display with no input power. A mag could be stored loaded and would still visually show its round count for example.
also, what about a magnetic strip that runs along the spine of the magazine. the sensors could measure the distance the follower has travelled to calculate how many rounds are remaining. I would worry that a spoil of wire hanging on to the follower could break withe repeated movement.
I mean you take the E-paper tech and use it to make a 7-segment display. Right now it's a 200x200 pixel grid but that seems very wasteful if all you're ever going to show is numbers.
I mean you take the E-paper tech and use it to make a 7-segment display. Right now it's a 200x200 pixel grid but that seems very wasteful if all you're ever going to show is numbers.
yes, that's exactly what I mean. though it looks like there's already a better solution out there. these could probably be 3d printed as I assume they're just mechanical:
It has nothing to do with a smart optic, just one added functionality to any red dot. Sig’s recent romeo9 (I think that’s what it’s called) has 2 zeros in 2 different colors that can be turned on simultaneously. It’s just that same tech with an adaptive LED.
The problem I think with putting it anywhere other than in the optic window is that you can’t see the live round count while shooting. If you have to look at the mag to get a round count reading, you mightaswell just use a translucent mag. The point of it in the optic is so you know when you’re running low, when the gun won’t fire, and how to time your reload. Maybe it’s a very niche use case, like only in high intensity firefights, but is still useful nonetheless and neat to have. Anything that consumes fuel always has a fuel gauge, it would be odd if it weren’t desirable on guns.. I imagine similar arguments could have been bade about LRBHO. “When are you not gonna have a extra second to rack the action?”, but alas LRBHO is ubiquitous now (‘cept on AKs Jfl at AK virgins)
you make a valid point, but how does the optic talk to the magazine? bluetooth? a little wire running from the magwell to the optic mount? then you have to buy an optic that has this functionality when you may already own a red dot.
>make the magazine have a display AND bluetooth functionality. If you have a compatible optic it will display in the reticle, if not you can just look at your mag. plus the mag will display a count when stored.
Ya exactly. It’s gotta be a completely system purpose designed from the ground up. Too many sacrifices would have to be made in order to retrofit/be shoehorned into existing equipment, if it’s even possible.
No wires. It would have to talk to the optic wirelessly. I’m not well versed in tech, so I don’t know what would be used, and that’s why I said I would be astonished if no such tech exists in 2023. It would have to be something like Bluetooth, which is archaic for tech standards, so maybe whatever tech Bluetooth spawned or whatever it evolved into. And it would have to be smart, so the optic knows when to display info received and when not to. Example: a mag is in proximity but not inserted into the gun, so the round count should not read “30”. So the optic needs to know the location of the transmitting device relative to it, to confirm it’s coming from the right angle, or there has to be some button on the mag that interfaces with the magwell that will transmit only when pushed.
Bro, if I had the exact how-to on how to accomplish this, I would’ve made it already lol. I’m just spitballing in a keltec cocaine thread.
If you have that set up, then it'd be better to just have an NFC chip set up to communicate with the gun. NFC only lets you communicate along very short distances, it's used mainly for credit card payments. Your phone has NFC too. It uses very little energy and I believe it'd be the perfect technology for this so long as you're willing to modify your magwell with a receiver for the signal. I suppose you could then communicate this to the optic via a sort of smart picatinny rail with contacts for communicating with attached devices, sort of like in Battlefield 2042, or just with bluetooth between the gun and the optic (better than between the optic and the magazine. Bluetooth is a b***h to connect and disconnect) to transmit the data.
I forgot completely about NFC. but yeah, literally “near field communication’. Any tech that accomplished this.
If it uses very little energy, why not a small 2032 battery in the basepad? And why the modifications to the magwell if the basepad can speak directly to the optic or the gun via powered rails? The reason I imagined it speaking directly to the optic is cause it seems like a fricking nightmare trying to put all sorts of electronic devices and wires etc into a firearm design. Much more streamlined and simple if it talks to the optic, and the gun remains a dumb analog device. So no new gun needed, just an optic and mag
While it'd be nice to do that directly, and it's certainly possible with bluetooth, NFC has an extremely limited range so you'd need to put something in the magazine well. This also solves the problem of figuring out which magazine you want connected; Bluetooth has a range of a couple of meters. It might try to connect to mags in your carrier. I reckon you might be able to cram it into the mag release, actually, so you connect to your mag release from the optic and the mag release talks to the magazine.
That sounds like a really elegant solution. Are there problems that could arise from having an intermediate step between mag and optic? Does NFC have any shortcomings relevant to this use-case? What needs to go into the mag release? NFC sensor and battery, I’m guessing?
NFC sensor, battery, and of course a little microcontroller + bluetooth transmitter to actually get the data out. All of these can be made quite small, so there's definitely the possibility that this can fit. I'd be a little worried about structural integrity since that thing is usually solid metal, though I guess it'd probably be fine if you made it out of aluminium or maybe if you just had the NFC sensor in the mag release piece, and had a wire run out from it to a control box that you can affix to your quad rails (finally, something to put on your rails) - It'd be a small control box, much smaller than like a PEQ box.
Could all of that just be fit into a new block on the bottom of the magazine? Or would that be too far from the optic?
No, you could fit it all in the base of the magazine. The problem is that you won't necessarily know if it's inserted. Hence why I think it'd be better to have the bluetooth connection to a device in the lower receiver.
>No, you could fit it all in the base of the magazine. The problem is that you won't necessarily know if it's inserted. Hence why I think it'd be better to have the bluetooth connection to a device in the lower receiver.
I'm the other anon who's also not up to date on current tech. I would just think that having everything on the accessories rather than built into the gun would be more marketable and user friendly overall. No need to do gunsmithing on things you already own, and it could make the technology more versatile as it wouldn't necessarily be configured for a single platform.
I'm a software developer and I'm fairly up to date on current embedded technology, though it's not my day job.
Basically, while it would be nice to cut out the middleman, my concern is that Bluetooth is very unreliable when trying to pair with a specific device - if you've ever owned a phone and a pair of wireless headphones, or a car, or bluetooth speaker or whatever, you'll know what I'm talking about. Now, this would obviously be very bad during a gunfight. Bluetooth is also basically the only protocol I can think of that would be appropriate for trying to connect mags to your optic. You don't want to be waiting around for your mag to pair properly, you want it to know exactly what's up, right now. You especially don't want it to give you mag data for the weapons of people near you, or the magazines in your carrier. NFC is the best way to communicate in this situation. But it's too short ranged to reliably be able to go straight from the mag to the optic. So, I think the best way to handle this would be a middleman piece.
Pairing from mag to magwell via NFC seems very straightforward and optimal. Getting the data from magwell to optic is the bigger issue. I remarked earlier that it would be a real pain in the ass to design electronics and wires and so on into the gun, and I was especially considering some sort of metallic interface between the mag and magwell. For the most elegant solution, do you think it’s viable to send the data up to the optic through wires through the gun? No Bluetooth or any other wireless tech. Like a well protected wire that runs up to the rails (forget about lower to upper mating for now), and smart powered rails take over it from there. Mount the optic and it receives both data and power from the rail. This also solves the battery problem. Now the NFC receiver (or whatever it’s called) in the magwell can be powered by a central power bank that also powers the optic, PEQ, light, etc
Can RFID work instead of NFC? The part being scanned doesn’t require a battery. If the tags can be small enough, do you think it would be feasible to have 31 rotating tags, where only 1 is able to be scanned at a time, which contains a unique number 0-30, and the rest are behind, idk, a small faraday cage or something like that.
Seems like more complexity than an NFC tag. Yes, you could probably have a wired link that'll handle that. Eliminating Bluetooth will slightly reduce your emissions, but I doubt it'll make a practical difference, and plus, your chances of fighting an enemy with ELINT capability is slim. Pretty sure RFID tags aren't that precise either.
Same but I like that we have a similar idea
the problem with electronics is that they have waaay more potential failure states than a mechanical device. with metal parts you can visually verify if somethin isn't going to work, but the second you get electronics involved it introduces quantum mechanics
even if you introduce fail safe mechanisms and safeties the fundamental nature of electronic devices means that there's always a level of uncertainty. wireless technology appears to be foolproof to the user but if you look at the radio itself there is a shitload of noise and junk data the radio is sifting through to get you the outcome you desire and the uncertainty that a computer chip has to operate within to get a wireless signal is absolutely and completely unacceptable for firearms design. you don't design firearms that work 99% of the time you design firearms that work all of the time.
>recharged with the action of the gun
this isn't practical at all, like the energy from the action just wouldn't matter
>Welcome to KeK-Tec R&D
>You're going to need one of these
Bullpup in 5.56 with a 20 inch barrel and an electric trigger tuned to be very crisp
The RDB trigger is already insanely good out of the box IMO. It feels like a well polished AR-15 milspec trigger, but it's in a bullpup and it's stock.
Kel tecs really aren’t that crazy. Everything they do has been done before.
Modernized sks with integral 4x scout scope (in 7.62 windage) and natural zero at 300m (change the barrel angle upwards so it crosses zero at 150?m and 300m). Keep the bayonet, improve the cleaning case spot in the butt, and add a longer cleaning rod so the barrel can be swapped properly, allow easier firing pin removal with a spring, compensating muzzle brake, lower the receiving housing into the stock and have an ambidextrous cheek weld, and increase the gas return piston size so its easier to swab, add a gas selector toggle above the return port which can be twisted with a casing, and keep iron sights with a combat pullback for 300m but improve the sight profiles and adjustment method. Keep the wood stock, improve the magazine latch button, and keep the two stage trigger. Also laser sight the bore/scope at factory to 1moa. Most importantly keep it Canadian market legal and under a grand. You will sell so many your accountants will drown in champagne.
>No detachable mags. Factory pinned ten rounds to five so you don't lose spring strength. Safety is great, keep it. Dial a trigger weight would be magical. Being able to store the scope in the butt would be absolutely amazing. Oh and sling mounts. Basically the ultimate deer hunting rifle. I want to buy a dozen just reading this description.
Bolt action carbine in straight -wall calibers.
Doublestack P32
Actually, wait. Bring back the fricking Hakim. American made clone.
mkii with a pic rail on top and keltecs square pattern stuff on the receiver
this, plus a 3/4 scale .22lr version that takes MP5 22LR mags
Self-loading black powder gun.
The barrel is connected to a two-chamber revolving breech. When one chamber is in the firing position, the other is in the loading position. The gun has two magazines, one for powder and one for bullets. The whole thing is electronically controlled.
When you pull the trigger, an electronic spark plug in the back of the firing chamber ignites the powder and rotates the breech. Then, two solenoid arms reload the other chamber. You could have a dial or something to control the amount of powder that goes into the next shot. Manual backup loading handles are available so that you can go through this entire process even if the electronics fail.
The magazines can be canted to form a sort of "V" shape in order to avoid obstructing the sights. Only the bullet magazine needs to be detachable; the powder magazine can be topped up, and acts more like a hopper.
Furthermore, the gun would have a crank in the stock that you can use to recharge its internal battery.
> Advantages of such a system
It uses primitive ammunition that can be much more easily procured. No need for brass. No need for percussion caps. You can shroud the mechanism so that it's resistant to rain. It's the ultimate end-of-the-world firearm.
I really really like this idea.
How would you deal with black powder fouling?
Well I guess you'd have to just clean it every so often innit
That's been done. I'd love to see a modern interpretation
How is the bullet pushed into the chamber in position 3?
probably from rotating the arm, which rotates the attached cylinder, which centrifugally sends it forward. I suspect if you go too slow while pointing it at an upwards angle it would not work.
You're probably right. If the invention is as old as it looks, having to point the gun downwards as part of the reloading process probably wasn't seen as a problem.
https://ctmuzzleloaders.com/ctml_experiments/lorgir_pistol/lorgir_pistol.html
Lorenzoni-Girandoni Repeating Pistol it's manual not automatic but ...
are blackpowder machineguns legal?
I'd buy one. Especially if there was a way to change the powder amount or control it semi accurately for good consistency
>SNIIIFFFF
Ok so the tkb 022
>rails another line
But instead of shit soviet plastic from the 70s
>SNIFFFFF
ahhh...... we put shit american plastic so it looks like a gun from halo
>silence
What?
>silence
Oh yeah! And have it in 6.8mm remington!
This thing but with polymer casings to keep weight down even further would unironically be dope. Fifty rounds of no recoil in a lightweight package feeding from fifty round magazines.
what is that thing?
*sniiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiif*
guy's elon musk is making rockets, he-
*sniiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiif*
FAST rockets. what if we like....
*snooooooooooooooooort*
what if we brought back the FRICKING gyrojet
It's a little more pedestrian than gyrojet projectiles.
Interdynamics MKR
>sniffffffff
alright fellas now hear me out
>ffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
how about caseless?
>50 round magazines
Dream bigger
The 4.5 inter dynamics is 1/3 the weight of 5.56 already. Say polymer case brings it down to 1/4th (maybe even less). Right off the bat, a 120rd quad stack mag weighs the same as a 30rd 5.56 PMAG. Bring the gun’s weight down some, which shouldn’t be too hard, and you can hold a complete combat load on the gun at once. Imagine a p90 style mag running the entire length of the top, quad stacked, holding like 200-250rds.
>Right off the bat, a 120rd quad stack mag weighs the same as a 30rd 5.56 PMAG
Now make it telescoped
Ah shit, I did say dream bigger lol. Ok fine, we’ll go from 50gr total cartridge weight to like 45gr.
Hang on.
Actually that’s a great idea. Omit the rim, and now you can have a case head smaller than what is permitted with rimless cartridges, while still having room for a primer.
Ok now make the case out of steel and crank the pressure up to 100kpsi. Beltfed from a 5,000 round backpack.
Their concepts are actually excellent they just have good old American cheapness in their execution.
Belt fed, crank operated 37mm flare launcher, with optional 40mm pipe adapter
>Belt fed, crank operated 37mm flare launcher, with optional 40mm pipe adapter
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mk_18_Mod_0_grenade_launcher
I've got a P17, P32 and P15. They've all been 100% reliable, the P17 is coming up on 4000 rounds and has been the best performing 22 I've ever ran. Kel Tec also has excellent customer service, fast shipping times and refuses to follow what all the other manufacturers are doing.
I gotchu boss
SKTLS
>Skittles
>*Sniiiiiifff,* snort*, aaaww yeaa, listen up guys I have an Idea , hang on , *sniiiiifff* ough . Here it goes.
5 shot Da/Sa Bulpup 12 gauge revolver and 5.45 combo slideaction rifle. Thumb selector switches the hammers +pump assemblyes, the safety is a crossbolt safety like the one on a benelli nova or rem 870. The (bothsides ) charging handle on top of the 545 barrel allows to rotate the 12 Ga cilindre backwards if pulled halfway and if pulled all the way pushes the SAA stile ejector. Lever in the back(not seen) puts it on halfwiener allowing you to freely spin the cilindre.
We will call it the kel tec 12 000 000
Ah, all right, everybody's packin' these days, right? Self-defense. Don't wanna be a victim. Sheep fricker. No! Sheep dog! Yo, bro... you gotta little blood dripping out there on your nostril. I got it! Last bullet in the magazine initiates an explosive, self-destruct mechanism. You literally can't lose! Whatta mean you gotta get a stamp? Register? With the feds? Feds?Here? Did you snitch me out you fricking gay - oh you mean our customers. No they definitely aint goin' for that, bro! Wait...ok ok ok - how's this: instead of a lot of smaller bullets...just one realllly big bullet? I know, Genius!
Top fed
38 super
em-2
No pistol grip.
New series of target/hunting rifles that use a krag inspired magazine
A PCC where the magazine goes in the top, like an owen gun make it an underfolder
A ar18 derivative where the magazine goes in the side, like a sten or fg42.
A semi compact steel framed double stack .32 acp.
Start putting a Mauser 1914 pistol button safety on everything.
a tech-9 but in .410 gauge
Lastly: upside down garand in 243
>New series of target/hunting rifles that use a krag inspired magazine
Make a scaled down .22lr Krag in steel and hardwood and I will be all over it for hunting squirrels.
that would be based. I want more blued steel and wood guns in general
Tell Kel-tec to branch into holsters/webgear/plate carriers/chest rigs. Give Kel Tec a bunch, a LOT of LSD and lock them in a room filled with nothing with this picture until they come to.
>sssnnnnnnrrrrtttt
WHOOO
AIGHT
QUAD DOUBLE-STACK SIDEWAYS 9MM MAGAZINE FOR A PCC
MORE BULLETS WITHOUT FRICKING UP THE CENTER OF BALANCE
mag fed bullpup shotgun with a pcc in the pistol grip thru the pumps tube
12 gauge/.357 SIG at first
Actual Kel Tec administrative employee here.
Had a pretty good laugh.
I showed some of these ideas to our management and they got a good kick out of it.
Although the last keltec thread was better.
>*biiiig hiiit
You know those hats that hold a couple cans of beer with a straw? What if we took one of those and replaced the cans with selectable hoppers and the straw with a belt feed for a .22 pistol?
Kel-Tec does one thing well and that’s making autoloaders for rimmed cartridges with double or quad stacked mags. They should try these:
>Semiautomatic 45-70 carbine with a double stack magazine. Drum magazine?
>Semiautomatic .357magnum pistol with double stack magazine. Maybe also .327 magnum?
>Semiautomatic .44magnum pistol with double stack magazine, shaped like C96 Mauser because having the magazine in the grip is probably too much. Maybe this configuration for the .357mag above too.
And because I want one:
>bullpup in .30 carbine with 16” barrel that weighs basically nothing with a quad stack magazine that holds way too many rounds
.30carbine is under appreciated. The M1 carbine has about the same muzzle energy as a .357 lever action rifle.
I have to nitpick. That is not a quad stack magazine. Just because each column is slightly staggered doesn’t give it the same (or anywhere near) capacity enhancement as true quad stacks. If you squish a double stack mag’s stack together, you lose significant capacity IMMEDIATELY for trivial reductions in width. Look at the gap between cartridges in each stack. It’s a gimmick that nets you 2 rounds on each side, at best.
Remove the rim, make it cased telescoped, design an appropriate action (Ik easier said than done, but not impossible) reduce the case head size down to the cylinder diameter of 22lr (or magnum, whatever), and you can have a true quad stack mag with like 60+rd flush capacity, 100+ extended. And you get Low recoil, high cyclic rate, extreme capacity, controllable machine pistol
Also, the fronts of the cartridges are all touching eachother. That magazine is 2 single stacks put side-by-side, with the rims staggered to offset their extra width. Calling it a quad stack is just lying.
They should really consider cp33 in .25, it is extremally close to .22 dimensionally.
mateba autorevolver but cap and ball black powder
gas-operated semi-auto pistol with a fixed barrel in 10mm/45/460, and a short frame version in 9mm. has internal bolt like cp33. will take glock mags
Thier guns are kino as shit, and work great. Don't be afraid to try something new.
Sub2000, but breaks sideways, has a sidefed magazine, and is chambered in 300 winmag. Integral bipod of course. Call it the KT42.
Semi-automatic bullpup shotgun chambered for 1 1/4" shells, with detachable tube magazines
so bullpup m1224?
a hybrid DA/pump action tube/cylinder fed rimfire rifle. The tube is full of reusable cylinders containing 6rds of .22LR, you pump to get a cylinder in the action, fire six shots with each trigger pull rotating your cylinder, then pump to eject and load a new cylinder. It can also take 10/22 mags with a conversion kit.
no i won't draw a diagram. it was revealed to me in a dream.
I desperately need Kel Tec to see Korobov's designs so they can make them even worse.
That anon that was posting his weird moronic puck-delayed gas system rifle should pitch his idea to Kel-Tec
A G 11 but it fires regular bullets
(OP)
ALRIGHT
>*Snnnnooooorrtttt*
SO, 45-70 HIGH CAPACITY FOLDING PCC *BUT*
>*vomits*
-BUT IT'S CLIP FED INTO TWO 45DEGREE MAGAZINEs FORWARD OF THE TRIGGER FOR MAXIMUM USER COMFORT AND-
>*Drinks a pint of everclear*
ONLY USES 3 SCREWS IN THE ENTIRE ASSEMBLY AND OF COURSE
>*sneezes blood*
ITS PUMP ACTION AND CA COMPLIANT!
>*dies*
Maybe those canted magazine wells could be the pump?
>new gun designs!
A gun that's a girl, that you can frick.
>Dakimakura
>No stitches, only screws
They should make the shotgun from Halo mag tube and loading on the top and bottom barrel basically an upside down 500/870
>Grendel GSG-41
How about a bullpup .410-bore defense shotgun w/ a 12-round box magazine?
Grendel, Inc was the predecessor of Kel-Tec. They probably still have the blueprints.
As long as it can also take 45/70 I'm in
I am very interested in both
bullpup pistol
>how does it work?
idk, weird keltec grips included
But... why? Just move the grip in your ms paint gun to the back of the gun where the mag is, and you have a regular pistol that’s 1000x less complicated with superior ergos and shootability. Pistols are already semi bullpups anyway, and probably full bullpups if you consider the barrel length’s percentage of OAL
It needs an integral suppressor
Polymer framed revolver in .30 Super Carry. Ejects cylinder like an enbloc after firing the last shot, top break. As many ugly screws as you can get on the frame.
Or you could use an actual revolver cartridge like 327 mag instead of the latest trendy meme round
You know the p90? What if it was like a pistol
It's a PCC that's chambered for .30 French Longue, but it takes standard Glock 17 magazines. The required feed system is slightly intricate, but luckily we can keep costs down by making the most important parts out of super soaker plastic.
>*snorts coke with a rolled up five dollar bill*
frick it. blow forward.
>*more snorting*
but make it lever-delayed
>*yet more snorting*
and a bullpup
>*merciful silence*
it's a deer rifle, btw.
Bottom feed. Bottom ejection.
A normal AR-180, only the trigger is a push-button on the side of the forestock.
All of these ideas are shit. I guess over a year of homosexuals shilling the Ukraine shit has damaged the quality of this board
>provides no ideas of his own
shut up homosexual
I'm an engineer at a gun company lmao
>he said in an anonymous imageboard
>still without providing any ideas of his own
>mad that anons are sharing ideas for fun
And my uncle works at Nintendo
My dad works at Sega
Here's my pitch: a rifle with a Gerlich-style barrel but it's chambered in a really anemic round for maximum "why the frick did they even bother?"
>Gerlich-style barrel
Information about this online is rather spotty: is that not just a squeezebore?
>*sniiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiffff*
>*heart palpitations*
SO WE TAKE THE P90, RIGHT? AND WE CUT ALL USELESS CRAP OUT, MOVE THE GRIP AS FORWARD AS WE CAN, ADD VELCRO STRAP SO YOU CAN ATTACH IT PROPERLY TO YOUR ARM....
>*SNIIIIIIIIIIIFF*
...AND WE PUT IN A SENSOR THAT TRACKS WHERE THE GUN IS AIMED AT AND THEN LIKE CONNECTS TO YOUR GOOGLE GLASSES THROUGH BLUETOOTH SO YOU CAN SEE WHERE...
>*more heath palpitations*
...WHERE THE GUN IS AIMING AT RIGHT?
ALSO MAYBE PUT TWO OF THESE SIDE BY SIDE?
>*foaming bubble of blood from nostril*
Bro hold up hold up
>snorts of line of coke mixed with said nosebleed
What if we give it the form factor of a Dustbuster
upside down toggle lock belt fed with a quick change barrel in 7.62 NATO that weighs less than 12 lbs