Do US or Israel manage to use their helicopters properly? Modern battlefield have lots of reliable MANPADs and other funny stuff to shoot down helicopters, they seem the most vulnerable weapons on the battlefield, much more than tanks.
Yeah I question the effectiveness of helicopters in modern conventional warfare now. Still great against dunics with AKs though, so they'll always have a place.
I dunno, sure. The US has mostly just used them as long-range gun platforms for decades now. I'm sure having well-organized maps and accurate navigation systems would help pilots avoid regions of protected airspace.
You really need good defensive systems to fly a helicopter today, they look VERY vulneable. Imagine being killed by a 180cm man standing with a Igla 6km far from you, just because your MAWS didn't work or some shit like that. Helicopters today look more like flying coffins than anything else.
Same goes for tanks now. Used to fantasize about them as a kid but now you couldn't pay me to get in one. At least infantry is small. No point being in a big metal box if everything can pop it.
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Yeah. Tanks will become increasingly expensive to have reliable protection against modern threats. In the future they'll be much rarer for sure.
>Still great against dunics with AKs though, so they'll always have a place.
Look up small arms damage to US helos in Iraq. They sorely need to be replaced by drones like everything else that flies and isn't transport or CASEVAC.
I dunno, sure. The US has mostly just used them as long-range gun platforms for decades now. I'm sure having well-organized maps and accurate navigation systems would help pilots avoid regions of protected airspace.
Only if they're folded 1 billion times by a Japanese blacksmith.
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You really need good defensive systems to fly a helicopter today, they look VERY vulneable. Imagine being killed by a 180cm man standing with a Igla 6km far from you, just because your MAWS didn't work or some shit like that. Helicopters today look more like flying coffins than anything else.
>Still great against dunics with AKs though, so they'll always have a place.
Look up small arms damage to US helos in Iraq. They sorely need to be replaced by drones like everything else that flies and isn't transport or CASEVAC.
Drones will certainly replace attack choppers in the near future. The next logical step being drone fighter jets and drone bombers.
Yeah. Tanks will become increasingly expensive to have reliable protection against modern threats. In the future they'll be much rarer for sure.
I'd like to see how a tank with active protection like the Trophy would fare in conventional warfare.
The fact that even an air force as incompetent as Russia has managed to keep its 100 Ka-52's flying 8 months into the war in the most MANPAD and SAM filled environment in the world tells you that Attack Helicopters are nowhere near as vulnerable as people think.
Yet still they think that the 800+ Apache attack helicopters, flown by US pilots, working under US command, with US countermeasures, in concert with the US air force and launching fire and forget hellfire missiles are going to have anywhere near the same results as ook, ook monkey orcs firing rocket pods at as makeshift MLRS's at half the range.
Who's even left to fight these things? You think the Chinese air defense is even going to be in anything but shambles after a week? You think a few Chinese guys with MANPADs are going to stop a dozen Apache helicopters packing 16 Hellfire missiles firing from the edge of their range? What is that going to do to an armored spearhead?
/k/ is way too fast to declare X weapon system dead. Maybe in 20 years we'll start transitioning to attack helicopter drones when the Apache is old and grey but for now, they are not going anywhere.
Lol dude they aren't doing missions anymore. They are doing propaganda pieces and then the weird pitch up rocket thing and then they return to base. Compare losses in the first couple weeks with now and you'll see something has changed!
>Lol dude they aren't doing missions anymore.
Source. >and then the weird pitch up rocket thing and then they return to base.
That is due to a lack of pgm's more than anything. Those S-series rockets that they are doing this with have a far shorter range than proper US missiles. >Compare losses in the first couple weeks with now and you'll see something has changed!
It's almost like the Russians were at peak incompetence those first few weeks and charged in without thinking... or telling their soldiers they are war.
The biggest issue that causes these Helis to get fricked is the faulty President-S system.
So many videos show Russian heli pilots almost completely unaware of any missile launches and taking a hit directly without any evasive manoeuvres or even deploying flares.
>Wonder if it's the design that's shit, shitty Russian workmanship or tactical errors (operating alone without PGM's).
The design is fine except for the vibration issue which hasn't had much effect on their performance, though it is funny to point and laugh. The problem is Russia is a poor corrupt nation LARPing at being a military power.
They know how to design weapons in the mechanical sense, but they never really kept up with the whole information warfare age thing. Give a Ka-52 all of the tech and weapons an Apache has, seat a NATO trained pilot into it and put it into a NATO command structure and there is certainly going to be a big difference in performance.
This is same with most Russian weapons.
>which hasn't had much effect on their performance
I feel like vibrations absolutely have an effect on flight characteristics, let alone the ability to accurately guide and launch munitions.
Pay to Live™ For only 1.5billion roubles you can equip your very own KA-52 with option to escape burning flame of you helicopter via vertical escape route. (payment does not include siphoning protection of your system by servicing personnel)
cool video
Their recent losses to MANPADs make me wonder if their MAWS actually works...
That's a premium feature, please understand
Gaijin moment
This is easily the coolest looking attack helicopter in the world, I wish the mi28 was being shot down instead of these.
True. It really looks like a machine designed to kill, a predator, it has those curves at the front too. Also the coaxial rotor make it look amazing.
Oh they had a few moments.
I disagree, at least for this photo. The nose here looks like the nose of a hooker in the character art of GTA Vice City.
they deserved a better country
Do US or Israel manage to use their helicopters properly? Modern battlefield have lots of reliable MANPADs and other funny stuff to shoot down helicopters, they seem the most vulnerable weapons on the battlefield, much more than tanks.
Yeah I question the effectiveness of helicopters in modern conventional warfare now. Still great against dunics with AKs though, so they'll always have a place.
You really need good defensive systems to fly a helicopter today, they look VERY vulneable. Imagine being killed by a 180cm man standing with a Igla 6km far from you, just because your MAWS didn't work or some shit like that. Helicopters today look more like flying coffins than anything else.
Same goes for tanks now. Used to fantasize about them as a kid but now you couldn't pay me to get in one. At least infantry is small. No point being in a big metal box if everything can pop it.
Yeah. Tanks will become increasingly expensive to have reliable protection against modern threats. In the future they'll be much rarer for sure.
>Still great against dunics with AKs though, so they'll always have a place.
Look up small arms damage to US helos in Iraq. They sorely need to be replaced by drones like everything else that flies and isn't transport or CASEVAC.
I dunno, sure. The US has mostly just used them as long-range gun platforms for decades now. I'm sure having well-organized maps and accurate navigation systems would help pilots avoid regions of protected airspace.
I can save her
Fake image. I don't see any missiles near them.
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/03/list-of-aircraft-losses-during-2022.html?m=1
>23 losses
IT'S OVER HOKUM BROS
Weird looking helicopter.
this plane hit a powerline. it wasn't shot down
Even worse. Their pilots are so poorly trained they can't even evade stationary obstacles.
sheeeesh, the powerline cut through the tail like butter!
Can wire cables cut aluminum fuselages?
yeah
Only if they're folded 1 billion times by a Japanese blacksmith.
Drones will certainly replace attack choppers in the near future. The next logical step being drone fighter jets and drone bombers.
I'd like to see how a tank with active protection like the Trophy would fare in conventional warfare.
And that makes it less embarrassing!
Russians are really obsessed with making sure Ukrainians cannot watch TV.
The fact that even an air force as incompetent as Russia has managed to keep its 100 Ka-52's flying 8 months into the war in the most MANPAD and SAM filled environment in the world tells you that Attack Helicopters are nowhere near as vulnerable as people think.
Yet still they think that the 800+ Apache attack helicopters, flown by US pilots, working under US command, with US countermeasures, in concert with the US air force and launching fire and forget hellfire missiles are going to have anywhere near the same results as ook, ook monkey orcs firing rocket pods at as makeshift MLRS's at half the range.
Who's even left to fight these things? You think the Chinese air defense is even going to be in anything but shambles after a week? You think a few Chinese guys with MANPADs are going to stop a dozen Apache helicopters packing 16 Hellfire missiles firing from the edge of their range? What is that going to do to an armored spearhead?
/k/ is way too fast to declare X weapon system dead. Maybe in 20 years we'll start transitioning to attack helicopter drones when the Apache is old and grey but for now, they are not going anywhere.
Lol dude they aren't doing missions anymore. They are doing propaganda pieces and then the weird pitch up rocket thing and then they return to base. Compare losses in the first couple weeks with now and you'll see something has changed!
>Lol dude they aren't doing missions anymore.
Source.
>and then the weird pitch up rocket thing and then they return to base.
That is due to a lack of pgm's more than anything. Those S-series rockets that they are doing this with have a far shorter range than proper US missiles.
>Compare losses in the first couple weeks with now and you'll see something has changed!
It's almost like the Russians were at peak incompetence those first few weeks and charged in without thinking... or telling their soldiers they are war.
The biggest issue that causes these Helis to get fricked is the faulty President-S system.
So many videos show Russian heli pilots almost completely unaware of any missile launches and taking a hit directly without any evasive manoeuvres or even deploying flares.
Uhmm I don't think they're flying lots of sorties with helicopters anon...
It's a shame because I really wanted to like them due to the innovative co-ax rotor design and the side-by-side seating arrangement.
Wonder if it's the design that's shit, shitty Russian workmanship or tactical errors (operating alone without PGM's).
>Wonder if it's the design that's shit, shitty Russian workmanship or tactical errors (operating alone without PGM's).
The design is fine except for the vibration issue which hasn't had much effect on their performance, though it is funny to point and laugh. The problem is Russia is a poor corrupt nation LARPing at being a military power.
They know how to design weapons in the mechanical sense, but they never really kept up with the whole information warfare age thing. Give a Ka-52 all of the tech and weapons an Apache has, seat a NATO trained pilot into it and put it into a NATO command structure and there is certainly going to be a big difference in performance.
This is same with most Russian weapons.
>which hasn't had much effect on their performance
I feel like vibrations absolutely have an effect on flight characteristics, let alone the ability to accurately guide and launch munitions.
Has there been a single instance of pilots ejecting during the war?
Don't recall any, maybe it was a meme or a premium feature
Pay to Live™ For only 1.5billion roubles you can equip your very own KA-52 with option to escape burning flame of you helicopter via vertical escape route. (payment does not include siphoning protection of your system by servicing personnel)
https://www.gog.com/game/comanche_vs_hokum
One of the few games that has a flyable Ka-52, pretty fun too.
sick dude, do you think that it'll run on my voodoo 3dfx and cyrix 6x86mx?
yes
such a sexy machine, too bad its in the hands of the soviets