>Another KA-52 shot down in eastern Ukraine
are Russian sisters even trying at this point
https://twitter.com/Kochevenko/status/1541421911024046084
KA-52 shot down in eastern Ukraine
>Another KA-52 shot down in eastern Ukraine
are Russian sisters even trying at this point
https://twitter.com/Kochevenko/status/1541421911024046084
Nice ARMA footage
Martlet missile apparently.
A Manlet and not he Startrek?
The Martlet is the child of the Starstreak.
Martet is cheaper than Starstreak, they might not have felt a need to waste an expensive starstreak on a low capability target like Ka-52.
I'M SORRY MARTLET
>first confirmed kill by a british weapon in this war
This is going to get 20 threads, isn't it.
You've willed it. Still where are all the starstreak kills? Did the system got rekt or what.
Ukies keep using the £100k/piece missiles on $300 drones
Thankfully the occasional shooting of a $50 million aircraft more than offsets this.
Kek not only that but Russians don’t have many of these things in flying condition so every one that lose is an irreplaceable loss. They won’t be able to manufacture anything like this in the next 50 years at this rate.
That explains why they don’t fly their aircraft into Ukrainian held territory anymore, but are the pilots not aware of the dangers or are they straight up refusing to fly dangerous missions?
From what I've heard some indeed actually refused to fly their planes into ukraine. Hard to fully verify if this is true though
That's why they have to get Wagner to conduct air operations in Western Ukraine
why wouldn't they be able to manufacture it? especially now that their mil industry is on overdrive
I've heard sources saying that russians will run out of ammo/equipment in two weeks, that was two months ago
is it all just wishful thinking and coping?
>hehe yeah you're winning BUT you lost this place therefore lol lmao
prove how it's not different than this
>that was two months ago
Yeah, immediately before they ran out of Kiev, started using cruise missiles and AFVs from the 60s, resorted to unguided rockets and bombs and started begging Iran, China, Kazakhstan and North Korea for weapons and supplies.
I sweat, vatniks are dumber than even CNN employees and whoever writes opinion pieces for Politico and Insider.
Even asked china for MREs lol, I am not even sure if it was supposed to be a good faith move either. They also asked for battlefield computers.
>Unable to manufacture cars with airbags, ABS or electric windows
>Somehow able to build military equipment and replace Taiwanese chips, German sensors, French optics and Italian tools by force of will
Lmao
Their mil industry is in active collapse. They've spent decades being wholly reliant on western imports to make anything remotely modern, because their own electronics and precision manufacturing sucked by comparison evne during the Soviet days and if at all got WORSE since the USSR imploded.
And they've been systematically running down their advanced equipment and ordnance stockpiles, as evident by the fact that they're forced to keep reactivating and introduce ever older garbage to make up their losses and expenditures. They're tossing around shitty old 80's AShMs jury-rigged into cruise missiles because their Kalibrs and Iskanders are running low. They're sending motherfricking T-62s models that are older than the crews driving them - potentially older than the PARENTS of those crews! - to the front because they can't replace all the T-72Bs, T-80s and T-90s they've been losing. And so on, and so forth. Gonna laugh if we see the hits of the early 80's soviet airforce coming out of some mothball hangar next.
>China doesn't produce good modern chips in large amounts either
>Germany is sanctioning
>France is sanctioning
Fricking Uralvagon already had to stop work on even the freakin T-72B3 obr.2016 upgrade line, let alone the actually good stuff, for lack of component supplies.
Ever heard of opsec?
>$300 drone spots your unit and corrects arty barrage onto it resulting in dozens dead and thus wasting millions spent on training
A $100k rocket seems a fair trade to me
its FREE
>$300 drones.
>$10 Russians
REEEEE
i hate cost comparisons in such situations because a drone is a lot more useful than one missile
Martlets are about 30k US per shot. But you're missing the point. By shooting down UAVs you're blinding your oppo. Saving your own hardware and personnel. So downing an Orlan can quite easily save millions in materiel and dozens of troops. But you sound like the kind of poltard who would never understand this.
Russia was using large AAM's against baby drones worth 300 quid. So this is comparatively pretty decent.
A 300$ drone can direct artillery and then it will be millions dollars of lose.
mi28 was hit by a starstreak on april 4th. you probably have seen the footage
https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/russian-chopper-splits-into-2-after-being-hit-by-missile-from-ukraine-2861577
M777 doing fine isnt it?
First seethe thread is already up
I was wondering what prompted it
Thread was created by CIA just like this one
it's distraction from inflation and trannies running institutions
We've got videos of NLAW, Starstreak and Martlet all prior to this?
This is far from the first kill scored by British weapons so far
I’M SORRY MARLET
>Missile flew for 28.5 seconds
The LMM Martlet flies at 1800 Km/h, or 500m/s, that means it flew for 14.25km assuming it flew at its max speed, maybe a bit slower. It's operational range is listed as 8km.
Was it flying at its max speed do you think? If it was it nearly doubled its rated range capability.
>Was it flying at its max speed do you think?
It would slow down significantly once it runs out of fuel due to air resistance, wouldn't it?
I think the max speed is the issue. It might peak at that after a couple of seconds then gradually go down. You'd need more info.
why do you want to achieve that every human in the world knows by a simple google query that your weapon (or still classified upgrade) has e.g. a range of 8 km, when in reality it can reach 15 km.
unless the official 8km are calculated with a military standard and in reality this means a range of 6 - 15 km.
>What is coasting?
Life isn't that confusing if you think.
OK genius, how does a missile navigate during terminal homing while coasting?
You know things don't accelerate instantly right?
Like, 2-stage rockets for instance, why the frick would a 2-stage rocket be going top speed from the instant it's launched? Do you think maybe it accelerates, cruises, then fires the secondary to hit peak speed on approach, like how rockets work? Because that's exactly what it does, just like most rockets.
Get back to class kiddo, your juice-box won't drink itself.
That kick motor is *SMALL*, like it should be.
there will be *wheeze* consequences!
>hohols shoot rocket at helicopter
>helicopter eats it like a Chad and lands
Why even post this shit?
>slamming into the ground at terminal velocity
>landing
in a sense, yes
if you didn't see Russian report on one of their IL, slamming at full speed into the ground and then exploding is considered "hard" landing in Russia
Da helicopter is of fine comrade*~~)
Only scratched paint*~~) be back in action in a few hours*~~)
xaxa hard landing comrade helicopter is fine merely partially destroyed
>partially destroyed
The memes write themselves. Russian MoD press releases best press releases.
>We didn't HAVE to perform an emergency landing
>We didn't HAVE to abandon the bird
>We ONLY lost 20% minimum of our KA-52 fleet, we have more
If there are 2 atoms intact from the original structure then the destruction was only partial. Russians are truly 10 steps ahead of us all.
>This major Chernobayev. Your helicopter suffered damage incompatible with life
the helicopter made it to Sevastopol under its own power, right?
Well it did land, you are correct about that one, the pilots however...
Helicopter is only half destroyed, works fine on the ground, i know what i got.
>I lost
>uhh uhh shit I mean uhhh I lost…LIKE A CHAD
>helicopter became an tonk
You're technically correct about that landing part
its not great
not terrible
Watch it turn out to be oinkrainian and get menory holed by r/weapons over here
Don't remind me of the Ukrainian Su-27P
How can one remind you of something that didn't happen?
>Ka-52
>Ukrainian
The copium concentration being pumped into the river Don is now reaching fatal concentrations
It's easy to spot Russian posts because they are the only ones who mention reddit in any capacity.
and Trannies, israelites, ZOG, Azovs and so on and so forth. And biolabs! Member the biolabs?
>I-i-it's oinkrainian!
>Is of landed fine, stupid khokol!
Vatniks are depressingly fricking childish and pathetic. Ukraine doesn't fly Kamovs, and they only frickheads that have proven they're dumb enough to fly that high, straight, and level over contested airspace that close to the front in helos have been Russians. It's okay, I'm sure the pilots went quickly after the terrifying, terminal velocity descent to their deaths.
>I used my MANPAD to shoot down your KA-52
>nuh-uh, because I have an anti-MANPAD force shield
>you can't use AA weapon, it is flying tank, not aircraft
why is it just flying still
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/7mW2APuymxo
You think this is childish, wait until /k/ has to deal with another Indian/Pakistani war and those streetshitters invade the board.
Fricking cope, enjoy your Putin pennies and locked up butter.
When did Ukraine capture (and restore to working order) the pride of dedya Putkin
> Uhh actually it’s hohol plane!!
This shit again?
They already did it once. It's not impossible.
Did they confirm it's a Russian plane? Photos from the crash? Serial numbers?
When homie?
I'll try to find it
Watch him not come back.
here's someone referring to what I'm trying to find
https://twitter.com/Konstan68346938/status/1540336505511727104
Yeah here it is
https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2022/06/07/ukrainian-su-27p-was-shot-down-by-russian-su-30-or-friendly-fire/
they shot down their own jet and claimed it was russian
Imagine believing something without any confirmation. but then again people are in need for copium apparently
but for what purpose?
yeah and? Black person do you think I care about russians who die because they had some meme plan about capturing kiev with a siege? you aren't making any sense
>LIST OF KA 52 OPERATORS
>RUSSIA
>EGYPT
I refuse to believe homie are so moronic they think Ukrainian is using KA-52s
helikopter didnt even shaken lol. no fire or smoke. haha
helikopter is fine xaxaxa just landed very fast*~~
>are Russian sisters even trying at this point
trying what? not losing equipment? probably not
they seem more focused on killing hundreds of ukrainian soldiers daily and taking out 10x the equipment they lose
And constantly moving the frontlines to the west. People were thinking severodonetsk would take 2+ weeks, it collapsed within a few days and now licichansk is collapsing as well
>constantly moving the frontlines to the west
*with the occasional feint, of course
Feint?
You know, the sort of feint where you give up half of the territories you captured
Anon I'm talking about now
russians retreating was moronic IMO but I don't know what they were expecting. probably thought
they should have just sent more army in. but then again maybe they had limitations from the "Special operation" to not include a lot of their active military
or didn't know what to expect from their economy early on and keeping troops there (that don't move forward after the initial capturing) was costly
who knows. they definitely changed their goals and also definitely focused on liberating LDPR to sell it as a huge victory
>I'm talking about now
So you're just going to look at the frontlines in the donbas at this very moment and ignore everything else? At one point the frontlines were constantly moving towards Kyiv, that didn't turn out so great. Maybe the frontlines don't tell the whole picture?
I'm not ignoring it it tho? I do consider it moronic, even if they had no intention of keeping it. if they actually push to kiev again from the east that would be doubly moronic since they left from there initially
>constantly moving towards Kyiv
they weren't, they were moving around it and hoping for a surrender or some deluded shit like that
>Maybe the frontlines don't tell the whole picture?
depends. when they fricked off from kiev I thought they were losing actually. now this has obviously changed and mainly has to do with ukraine having no equipment/ment left, not some genius maneuver
>it collapsed within a few days
when did Russians entered Severodonetsk, again?
why are you asking me Black person?
the center of the city including azot plant folded within a few days
i have no idea since when russians were in the outskirts
licichansk is allegedly already gone and now ukrainians are retreating to kramatorsk
the objective reality is that russia is winning, and fast. this includes destroying nato/us equipment
why do you think that taking out this or that matters? that's like russians celebrating a dead ukrainian general like recently with 50+ in a command center
it's useless. they could kill 20 generals but if they weren't moving the frontlines forward they would be losing
Lmao the goal post moving
Is it? What was the original goal?
This is video from Severodonetsk three days ago, please explain to me how Russians managed to capture the city within two days to the point enemy soldiers are still in the city month later
it seems that you are the one moving the goalposts. My original comments talks about how severodonetsk collapsed, which is true. I have no reason to think 100% of the area is captured, since ukrainians are actively withdrawing from it. however a video from some random location from ukrainians isn't proving anything either, how the frick do I know this is severodonetsk or that this is from today or 2-3 days ago? do I live in fricking russia or ukraine?
You're trying extra hard to throw shade at russians but you are mistaking me for someone who gives a frick about them or whatever happens to their shithole country. my point is that the frontlines are moving faster and faster now, which is true, and russia is winning, which is also true. In fact they are winning more and more decisively because ukraine has replenishment problems and NATO is supporting it less and less
you aren't making any sense anon
did russia run out of equipment as "experts" said? no
is russia currently winning? yes
is russia losing equipment, manpower etc? yes
there is no contradiction here. why do you think there is?
are you saying that all the strikes russia has performed in the past two months have been "random bombs" because "they ran out of the good stuff?"
>My original comments talks about how severodonetsk collapsed, which is true
you do know what collapse means?
yeah, defenses collapsing rapidly
here, have recent ukrainian sources
https://tsn.ua/en/ato/russia-attacked-kyiv-with-high-precision-missiles-zhdanov-spoke-about-enemy-strike-on-kindergarten-and-residential-block-2097049.html
other sources (anti-russian) https://www.euractiv.com/section/global-europe/news/russia-steps-up-missile-strikes-on-ukraine-as-g7-leaders-gather/
even bbc https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61943252
this was after setting the search to last 24 hours
there is no apparent problem. russians seem to have factories that produce weapons yknow
massive losses are unconfirmed, also yeah they aren't. they are for russian soldiers, not for me. do they stop them from winning? no
>glacial speed
apparently not now. that depends on where their artillery is focused imo
ukrainians retreated in orderly manner, you know, thing that russians claimed they did around kyiv and kharkiv while in reality they all got slaughtered like b***hes. ukraine yet again does what rushomosexuals only dream about doing lmao.
>defenses collapsing rapidly
So defending part of the city for a month, then orderly leaving the city, across the river, is considered "rapid collapse of defenses"?
when the city goes from tiny areas captured that have been stagnant for weeks to entire city captured within a few days, yeah
the "orderly" part is also according to them. russians are claiming thousands dead
what actually happened will be understood when they reach some other defense position. if they can hold it and not retreat ad infinitum then it was just a tactical retreat
otherwise they have serious problems
basically the same as russians. if they lost territory they held for years after retreating from kiev everyone would say they are fricked and losing, and rightfully so
>russians are claiming thousands dead
Russians are controlling the city, the can show us something instead of claiming(and I mean showing what they are claiming, having one destroyed vehicle with 10-20 dead as proof you've killed 2000 doesn't cut it), you know how Ukraine showed dead Russians stacked on top of each other or when Russians retreated and threw all their gear before crossing the river because only way out was already cut off or when Russians tried to pontoon the river and lost 70+ vehicles
Why is why I don't believe it, Black person. Although zelensky has claimed that ukrainians are having 100-200 KIA daily
>you know how Ukraine showed dead Russians stacked on top of each other
russians are currently doing the same, but the total bodycount isn't that high from videos.
the funny thing is I don't see many ukrainians doing it now but I could be simply missing it
You are making the mistake of thinking I believe russian claims for some reason
I don't, unless they have proofs (photos). If I don't have that then I just look at the frontlines and whatever statements zelensky makes
so far he's just asking for equipment = he has no equipment and relies on whatever he can buy from us/uk
>did russia run out of equipment as "experts" said?
Where are the masses of modern tanks and IFVs that they started out with?
>is russia currently winning?
No, it has already lost 2 months ago, it's in the process of realizing it as they pull out the last T62's from storage.
>Where are the masses of modern tanks and IFVs that they started out with?
what a moronic strawman, as if you didn't even read my question and proceeded to cope at lighting speed
did russia run out of equipment? do you want me to post all the claims 1-2 months ago saying that they'll be out of food, soldiers, ammo, missiles etc in less than two weeks?
>No, it has already lost 2 months ago
Any western source confirming your claims as true and not as the fever dream of someone who fantasizes about killing vatniks but still hasn't enlisted?
True, as long as Russia still has some T34s in museum storage, they will never run out of equipment, Z!
considering they are delivering precision strikes and other stuff at an increased pace
it seems they are not running out of equipment
>do you want me to post all the claims 1-2 months ago saying that they'll be out of food, soldiers, ammo, missiles etc in less than two weeks?
Russian soldiers were looting for food and fuel within two weeks. They have expended the majority of their smart munitions. T64's are being brought out of storage.
No, you're trying to deflect. You were asking if "Russia ran out of equipment" and he pointed out that Russia is down to using T-62s and using anti-ship missiles against shopping malls.
You obviously don't want to admit that Russia is indeed running out of combat worthy equipment.
Russia didn't lose 2 months ago, it lost the second the Ukranians fought back. There was no plan for an actual war or devastating economic sanctions. Neither the country nor it's companies, military or people were prepared for the war. Everything that happened after day 2 of the invasion is just a long and drawn out farce that can only end one way
>You were asking if "Russia ran out of equipment" and he pointed out that Russia is down to using T-62s and using anti-ship missiles against shopping malls.
russia is not running out of equipment considering the precision strikes, artillery and bullets (and troops, which have to eat and drink) keep going and increasing
is this statement wrong in any way?
Not to mention that even if russians are using their "last" equipment (more likely they are using all the old shit instead of the new shit), and there are confirmed sources that they are indeed doing this, it would prove the claims that they will have run out wrong. Because by definition this isn't "run out", since they are still using equipment
you can spin it any way you want, russia has not run out of equipment and is in fact increasing its equipment spendings without an apparent end in sight. But nah they have run out for sure, as the sources said they will be, in two weeks, two months ago
>precision strikes
yes, this statement is wrong already. unless they intended on bombing civilians, then they are not only incompetent but also evil.
>Precision strikes
Like hitting malls with anti ship missiles?
>Russia didn't run out of equipment, the T-62s are still being transported to the front and there is a huge reserve of T-55s.
Anon. Please. This is just coping with the fact that Russia ran out of effective equipment. You would still stay they are armed and ready if Putin gave them sticks.
>the T-62s are still being transported to the front and there is a huge reserve of T-55s.
"don't worry comrade, after we run out of museum junk that can't see the enemy, we have stockpile of even older museum junk with even less crew protection that can't see the enemy any better than the t-62"
>russia is not running out of equipment
that is why Russia is using 60 year old tanks, right? Russia has better stuff stored somewhere. Right?
>precision strikes
you just missed a military target nearby (the children's hospital) and accidentally hit the shopping mall. With an anti-ship missile.
anti-ship.
you hit a fricking shopping mall with an anti-ship missle. i'll let you process that for a few minutes.
russia is not running out of equipment and supplies, i'm sure.
>considering the precision strikes
Ignoring your other moronation for a minute, not only did Russia have a missile turn back around and blow up the area that they fired it fired from but they just missed their target and hit a mall instead. If these are "precision strikes" I can only imagine what actual precision strikes look like.
the western sources call them precision strikes. It's not my problem you don't trust western sources
any western source saying that ukraine is currently winning?
so, russia isn't running out of equipment, just their high-end equipment, allegedly
I'm not contesting that though
>I gave sources
except your sources actually proved what I said
>Specifically one that says that what you mentioned as necessary, is completely cut off. Your sources either talk about sanctions to some companies (and no sanctions to 1000s of other russian companies) and restriction of flow but no cutting it
there's no proof of the materials you mentioned being cut off completely, which means russia being unable to get their hands on it
so post a source that talks about the specific material you mentioned, and then saying that it is completely cut off and russia simply can't get it anymore no matter what loophole they try to use
Ok, Vatnik
Yes, Vatnik. Dnipro suburbs will be reached by 2060. The front is moving at lightning speed.
It's literally been like 2 weeks what do you mean lmao.
Ukraine has been fortifying the next area to defend for over a couple months now, this wont be a "breakthrough collapse" you're hoping for
>the martlet is light Missile primarely used to destroy drones
>easily destroy the best Russian helicopter
Vatnikbros we suck at engineering
It's a "light" missile, but the drones you're thinking of are TB-2 tier and above.
It's 13kg per unit.
>no mushroom
they survived
Any proof that it was a Ka-52 or even russian? And no in the video you can't identify the heli.
No, technically there's no proof
These threads are reddit circlejerks from ex-soldiers (or larpers) who dream of beating russia but surprisingly won't enlist to go to ukraine
>surprisingly
What's the surprise? It's no secret Ukraine has the odds stacked against them here. Nobody wants to fight a war in witch they will almost assuredly lose, but in the case of Ukrainians, they must. If NATO joins the party, though, expect a ton of volunteers
>Ukraine
>fight a war in witch they will almost assuredly lose
>actually wins like a boss
based
The crew probably survived and it looks like a ka52. No smoke when it goes behind the tree line means they landed.
>In southern #Ukraine, #Russian forces have reportedly intensified their rate of shelling by 150% and may have almost entirely destroyed the settlements in the Davydiv Brid area along the eastern bank of the Inhulets River.
https://isw.pub/RusCampaignJune26
ISW (aka CIA) themselves seem to not think that russians are running out of equipment
>artillery shells are equivalent to smart munitions and precision cruise missiles
>may have almost entirely destroyed the settlements
WE DID IT, REDDIT
I don’t remember anyone saying this in this thread lmao.
>admitting russians are winning without problems
Uuuh, glacial speed and massive losses is no problems?
>taking a small town(or whatever is left of it) in a fricking month
>winning without problems
this is your brain on krokodil ivan
Is russia losing? yes or no, simple question
it's not a simple question you absolute fricking orangutan. gaining ground at snail's pace while suffering heavy losses is not winning, but of course short sighted morons like you might think that it is. remember how russia gained lots of ground back in february and then ate shit for the next month and was forced to retreat? yeah.
is russia losing?
are there any photos that confirm that the plane was indeed a russian ka52?
Considering that the ukies don't have them? It must have been a russian one.I doubt the egyptian airforce flew one of their over the Ukraine.
you probably misread what I wrote
how do we even know that this was a ka52? are there any photos that confirm it was a ka52?
define edgy
In this case I actually concede because ukraine does indeed have the manpower to sustain a prolonged war
>You're making a claim with no source
what's my claim? link me the post where I made it
that's speculation, but could be true. We'll find out in the coming months I guess
that's how the sources I linked call them anon
Ka 52 is a helicopter.
>snail's pace
Define snail's pace, prove it, and the prove why it is bad.
How long has this war been going on again?
5 months? 4? I remember the initial gains were impressive but it didn't work out.
Why are 5 months "snail's pace"? Most wars have taken much longer and with much larger manpower than what the russians are using
What is the definition of "snail's pace" in a military context?
fully agreed look at this war for example
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_Years%27_War
>116 years, 4 months, 3 weeks and 4 days
Imagine the medieval industrial military complex profits
Are you sure? The most biased western sources present frontlines moving in favor of russia
Can you find a single western source saying that russia is currently losing?
>Can you find a single western source saying that russia is currently losing?
why do I need a "source" for this? look at a map, Russia controls less Ukraine today than at the end of day one of fighting, this is downright catastrophic for Russia, and their leadership is true garbage
>why do I need proof, even biased western opinions, to prove my claims?
oh no no no
Listen, just find a SINGLE western source from bbc or nbc or cnn or whatever that reports that russia is currently losing the war
trick question, none of those are currently talking about the topic at all
I don't think we disagree. russia has less territory than it had initially, and is now moving its frontlines forward
no?
>and is now moving its frontlines forward
not in particularly impressive way
Any war that does not have cavalry or nukes is by definition not impressive tbqh
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Afghanistan_(2001%E2%80%932021)
>Result
>Taliban victory[37]
nah america lost
>No clue why you think this puts Russia in a better light than America.
what makes you think I do? are you moronic? maybe now with all your troony soldiers, but in 00s you had an obviously better army. at least from my civilian pov
got trannies on your mind again wtf
occupies the entire country for 20 years then leaves after suffering no extra casualties
>>This is the same as the Russian army trying to capture the enemy capital and getting bodied in a matter of weeks by a nation of farmers
Nobody compared the two. You are coping and seething about america losing to taliban and trying to say america didn't lose
Except that's literally how your objectively incorrect claims started out in the first place
The proof is that you're a flaming gay
There is this thing called capitalism and western sources will claim literally anything that will get them clicks and ad revenue
And that would be claims that russia is losing
yet no such claims so far
Yes, but are the frontlines moving? in favor of russia or ukraine? because that was my question, you seem to avoid it
>buy chips from china
>buy german sensors
>buy french optics
>assemble
has any of these countries banned these products to russia?
>has any of these countries banned these products to russia?
Yes. All of them.
No even civilian parts get there anymore. Russia is completely cut off.
>How do you know
Because I spent the last three months with Russian business owners, speak Russian and follow the news? Do you know how hard it is to get a bank account even if you're employed by a US company?
>Frontlines moving
They don't. What's your point?
>Yes. All of them.
source?
>how do you know
I never asked this. who are you quoting anon?
>They don't. What's your point?
they do
what's your point?
>Source?
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/taiwan-tightens-russia-export-curbs-details-tech-rules-2022-04-06/
https://english.alarabiya.net/News/world/2022/06/27/US-announces-new-G7-sanctions-against-Russia-s-defense-industry
https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy0677
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/sanctions-prevent-moscow-retaining-military-capabilities-germanys-scholz-2022-06-07/
Want more?
>They do
You are calling 4kms of advance in two months a push?
Just asking to confirm this lmao
>You are calling 4kms of advance in two months a push?
two more strategic offensives and 400 000 conscripts into the no-mans land to end the stalemate
snails pace? Russia is moving backwards, they have less than than at the end of day one
Rome conquered fricking Greece in less time.
just begin comrade we will take kiev in three days
come over and suck my dick and then say how you liked it and why it was good. i'll wait.
Of course Russia is losing. Capturing land is not winning, just ask Germans, US or USSR.
>Capturing land is not winning
but Russians literally aren't even capturing land, they're using up irreplaceable assets for no gain
>no gain
Excuse me, but I think piles of rubble are very valuable commodity. Though, one has to wonder, how do Russians expect to defend those positions now that there are no more buildings?
Russians can't foresee future that far ahead
Excuse me but have you forgotten of the 2 villages russia have liberated recently?
Now that's called gaining land copers gonna cope
The frontlines aren't moving? weird, I thought they were
>yeah all these victories germans had until they went full moron aren't REAL victories because they ultimately lost even though they could simply not go for russia and have no other problems
A case could be made for germany's economy, because it had no china or india to help it
>The frontlines aren't moving? weird, I thought they were
noise vs. signal, Putin still has less Ukraine now than at the end of day one of fighting
How is your brain so small? Battle victories are irrelevant if there is no strategic victory. Which Germany could have never achieved. Russia is in comparable but vastly poorer position. If Germany had some mirage of victory (capturing Moscow) even if it wouldn't have changed much in reality, Russia doesn't even have that. They gave up on victory in the first months. Now they are grinding themselves down for literally nothing.
At current pace with no changes Russia will take whole Donbass in at least 2 to 3 years. And that won't be victory anyway because as long as Ukraine exists and is being supplied by the west the fight continues. So the strategic loss is the only option for Russia.
Would germany have lost if it never attacked ussr?
>At current pace with no changes Russia will take whole Donbass in at least 2 to 3 years. And that won't be victory anyway because as long as Ukraine exists and is being supplied by the west the fight continues.
Yeah I don't disagree anywhere, maybe the timeline seems a bit too much considering ukraine is bleeding manpower which is not filled by mercs
>So the strategic loss is the only option for Russia.
Show me a western source saying this
>Would germany have lost if it never attacked ussr?
USSR would attack them anyway, first strike strategy was their best bet.
>considering ukraine is bleeding manpower which is not filled by mercs
Ukraine has more than enough manpower to sustain this for years. Russia doesn't have that luxury. Shadow mobilization only goes so far and LDPR are already mostly depleted.
>Show me a western source saying this
Show me a western source that says Russia will capture Ukraine?
>USSR would attack them anyway, first strike strategy was their best bet.
I accept your concession
>Ukraine has more than enough manpower to sustain this for years
nah, they aren't.
unless they start enlisting average ukrainians. meanwhile aren't russians using a fraction of their active personnel?
>Show me a western source that says Russia will capture Ukraine?
I accept your second concession, you are unable to provide a source and trying to come up with a desperate strawman for something that was never brought up
let's go again
>So the strategic loss is the only option for Russia.
Show me a western source saying this
i accept your concession
>I accept your concession
Perhaps if you were a little better versed in history you wouldn't take it for one.
>nah, they aren't.
https://bnn-news.com/russian-forces-completely-occupy-severodonetsk-missile-attacks-reported-in-outskirts-of-kyiv-235718
>Zelensky: Ukrainian army suffering up to 700 casualties daily
https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/zelensky-ukrainian-army-suffering-up-to-700-casualties-daily.html
considering he's obviously hiding a few, that's over a thousand casualties daily. from june 1st
so that's about 27,000 casualties unable to fight (i assume he counts wounded too)
ukraine will win this in two weeks, just wait eh
They already have at least 1 mil of enlisted men. And there are plenty more to enlist if this was necessary. 27k in 4 months is absolutely sustainable with these numbers.
>you are unable to provide a source and trying to come up with a desperate strawman for something that was never brought up
let's go again
You're making a claim with no source but want a source to the opposite. Curious.
>Show me a western source saying this
Show me the opposite.
aren't russians using a fraction of their active personnel?
Yes, but the fraction is 10/10, of the ones who haven't refused to go anyway. Idea they have a million trained troops sitting in siberia playing poker is a cope, and not one that makes Russia look good considering spare troops could have saved the northern axis from collapse.
>Show me a western source saying this
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/ukraine/2022-05-25/putin-going-lose-his-war
Here's one. I think I found 10 just by googling "Russia will lose". You can do the same see how many you'll find. Can you find a source that says Russia will capture Ukraine though?
in this case I concede, although it's a swedish boomer with a very active twitter account and not an actual official
should I like them?
>This is just coping with the fact that Russia ran out of effective equipment.
anon, are russians running out of equipment to use?
are these their last?
you don't seem to understand. russia is running out of good equipment (for a given value of "good"). it still has plenty of dumb bombs and elderly vehicles.
a shame, he seemed an honest man
He didnt fly so good.
>brit MANPADS finally downs a chopper
>It's not starstreak
Lulz
Did everyone just forget this happened?
They still claim it was Pierun.
No only the warrior moron on here claims it was a piorun.
Everyone else assumed it was startreak due to how the hit penetrated and you could see two separate explosions
Unironically how do we know this was a ka-52?
Photos from the downed aircraft. If they exist.
>Wtf I thought vatniks were struggling
They claimed to have fully captured it more than a month ago. Ukraine left it today, when no more buildings are standing and it's only a smoldering pile of rubble.
>They claimed to have fully captured it more than a month ago.
Where?
>Russia is losing
Find me one western (thus anti-russian) source that says the words "Russia is currently losing"
>Ask Germans
Germans were winning until the battles that made them lose and nobody thought otherwise. And germans had high casualties as well, probably more than russians percentage-wise and everyone still thought they were winning, which they were. They were literally winning, when they began losing they started retreating fast and losing territory after territory
>Germans were winning until the battles that made them lose and nobody thought otherwise
Fricking moron. Germans never had a path to victory. It was always a ticking bomb for them until the lost. Very much like current Russia.
Germans had significant progress, Russias never going to have any with Putin in charge
https://ria.ru/20220528/severodonetsk-1791472457.html
RIA, as official as it gets for so-called "Russia.
ok this is from google translate so it might have something off
>Kadyrov reported on the full liberation
yeah no wonder it's the biggest bullshitter talking about something that never happened. They captured it very quickly, it didn't gradually go from 10% to 20% to 30% etc
more like 10-15% to 90% and now 100% within a few days
that is my point. That doesn't seem like struggling
>all russian media are reporting that Sieverodonetsk has been captured
>but because I don't like THEIR source I will disregard this
Ok lmao.
>They captured it very quickly, it didn't gradually go from 10% to 20% to 30% etc
more like 10-15% to 90% and now 100% within a few days
They went from 10% to 90% to 50% to who knows what until they destroyed the whole city with artillery and Ukraine left the rubble behind. If you can't capture the city at all unless you level it that is the definition of struggling.
>>but because I don't like THEIR source I will disregard this
Yeah, just don't like em simple as. Past examples of lies have nothing to do with it.
it's funny to see you cope when your own glowBlack folk report the entire severodonetsk captured
this didn't happen little by little, but rather within a few days
>destroyed the whole city with artillery and Ukraine left the rubble behind
and? sucks to have (had) a house there, I guess
not my problem
>If you can't capture the city at all unless you level it that is the definition of struggling.
Provide a military source giving providing this definition
I saw many americans saying that they could have just leveled afghanistan if they wanted to. If that was their only way of winning there then this means that they were struggling, and eventually lost
no?
Bro this is just sad. crawl out from the rock and see the sun.
>this didn't happen little by little, but rather within a few days
The fight for Sieverodonets has been happening for more than a month. What the frick do you think happened? They stopped for a tea for 30 days and then captured it within 2 days? Ukraine left indefensible positions as there were no buildings left to defend from. I don't know why it would take Russia substantial amount of time to "capture" blank space, as you're implying should have happened.
>Provide a military source giving providing this definition
Provide a military source "giving providing" a definition to struggling to capture a city then?
>If that was their only way of winning there then this means that they were struggling, and eventually lost
no?
America lost in Afghanistan and they never struggled to take a city. Neither did they have to resort to completely demolishing any of them.
did it go from 10% to 20% to 30% or from 10% to 90%? easy question
>No source
I accept your concession
>No?
so these particular americans were lying?
well, I can believe it.
i hope you like himars
>No?
>so these particular americans were lying?
no was part of your own comment lmao. If you were literate you'd see that in my comment I explicitly stated that US lost the Afghan war.
>did it go from 10% to 20% to 30% or from 10% to 90%? easy question
It's so easy that nobody except some Russian or Ukrainian general can answer that. We don't know how exactly the battle went. There were reports of Russia capturing 90% on the 4th day and then losing 90% of the city then they were reports of city being divided 50%-50% but we can't tell what exactly happened.
The only thing we can say is that Russians captured a pile of rubble where city stood previously with no soldiers defending it anymore. If you think Russia can repeat that for every city in Ukraine that's one hell of a pipe dream lmao.
>fails greentext quote
>spergs
Black person please
so we're basically not disagreeing anywhere, got it
>We don't know how exactly the battle went.
I don't disagree here
>If you think Russia can repeat that for every city in Ukraine
That remains to be seen, so far I'm not seeing anything to the contrary
maybe it will happen soon, who knows
Yeah, I want more. Specifically one that says that what you mentioned as necessary, is completely cut off. Your sources either talk about sanctions to some companies (and no sanctions to 1000s of other russian companies) and restriction of flow but no cutting it
>You are calling 4kms of advance in two months a push?
In your original post
you claimed the frontlines are not moving. ISW confirmed they are
who is lying, you or ISW?
Just asking to confirm this lmao
>I want more
Why would I care what you want? I gave sources, you keep denying.
And the front is moving at a pace that is slower than WW1, therefore the front isn't moving. Whatever Vatnik reality you want create around that is your own thing.
>Russia's concentrated cope front
>4kms of advance in two months
this war is over lol
In your original post
you claimed the frontlines are not moving. ISW confirmed they are
who is lying, you or ISW?
Just asking to confirm this lmao
Not my post, and front lines have apparently moved 4kms of advance in two months, which is pretty much static.
lost to afghanistan
America left and lost some reputation and credibility when the Afghan army they trained crumbled. The USSR got bled so badly they literally collapsed. No clue why you think this puts Russia in a better light than America.
>Being this edgy
>yeah no wonder it's the biggest bullshitter talking about something that never happened
I will report this to his instagram and you will be beheaded within the next 2 business weeks. Inshallah.
ez I'll get drunk and so my blood will have alcohol. If he beheads me he will be soaked in alcohol and it will be absorbed by his skin
checkmate
western sources were saying that russians will be out of food, water, ammo etc in two weeks two months ago.
are they out of these things now? yes or no simple question
>inb4 they are surviving on roadkill and crafting their own ammo and drinking their own urine for the past 2 months and this allows them to move the frontlines forward
>ez I'll get drunk and so my blood will have alcohol. If he beheads me he will be soaked in alcohol and it will be absorbed by his skin
If you also eat some pork then you will have defeated them for sure.
>are they out of these things now? yes or no simple question
Yes. Northern front ran out of all of those things and retreated, why are you asking?
>Yes
Provide source that says russians have run out of equipment. Declares it, basically
>northern front
kek way too much of an obvious way to shift the goalposts. The sources claiming it were talking about russians in general, which were then supposed to collapse
americans in the army aren't this stupid so you're probably ukrainian
in this case
a) not my country not my problem
b) provide sources that declare that russians have run out of equipment, ammo, food etc
The more recent the source the better, maybe this 150% increase in shelling and precision strikes were their last ones who knows eh?
>Provide source that says russians have run out of equipment. Declares it, basically
stop being obtuse, Russians don't use air power because if they risk it and lose it its irreplaceable, so they aren't using them because they're in danger of running out
>The sources claiming it were talking about russians
Were there some other nations fighting on Northern Front?
The sources were talking about all russian in ukraine, not at the northern front alone
The entire russian power will collapse (in 2 weeks) because it has equipment left only for another 2 weeks. They weren't even talking about "good" equipment (which they apparently still have considering all the strikes that even zelensky acknowledges), but all equipment available
>The sources were talking about all russian in ukraine, not at the northern front alone
You don't know that. They said Russians are running out of shit. Russians ran out of shit and fricked off from the North. Statements holds true.
Russia did indeed have shortages, hence the northern collapse, and revised cope front.
Shortages is completely different than "running out"
If western sources actually claimed this then they would appear much more accurate instead of making up 2 more weeks cope
Shortages could also explain producing more stuff now just in case (missiles shells etc, what they mainly use)
quote the entire phrase anon, what's the matter?
>russia is not running out of equipment considering the precision strikes, artillery and bullets (and troops, which have to eat and drink) keep going and increasing
is this statement incorrect in any way?
I can even give you that they are running out of tanks. Running out of equipment doesn't mean tanks only
>russia is not running out of equipment and supplies, i'm sure.
yep, western sources confirm that russia has increased its selling and precision strikes
this by definition negates the claim that they have equipment for two weeks left which was made two months ago. Now they don't seem to be running out since using more and more equipment usually points at not having shortages
Russia was running out of equipment to sustain their offensives, hence the renewed front, and change of tactics.
Looks more likely to be starstreak to me based on the very high acceleration and lack of trail, you can even see the booster falling to the ground in the distance.
actully nvm, it's too long to get to the target and the tube is wrong.
>Russian forces have completely occupied Severodonetsk, as confirmed by the city’s mayor Oleksandr Stryuk on Saturday, 25 June.
https://bnn-news.com/russian-forces-completely-occupy-severodonetsk-missile-attacks-reported-in-outskirts-of-kyiv-235718
>Zelensky: Ukrainian army suffering up to 700 casualties daily
https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/zelensky-ukrainian-army-suffering-up-to-700-casualties-daily.html
considering he's obviously hiding a few, that's over a thousand casualties daily. from june 1st
so that's about 27,000 casualties unable to fight (i assume he counts wounded too)
ukraine will win this in two weeks, just wait eh
russian losses are still x3 that amount at the very least. i know i know, copium aren't allowing you to admit it but deep down you know that when russia denied releasing any numbers they ought to be atrocious.
Why could I care about dead russians anon?
it better start using them then
kharkhiv is the second biggest city, with apparently many reservists there and russians are prepared to storm it
https://globalnews.ca/news/8947385/russia-attack-kharkiv-ukraine/
If they manage to take kharkhiv without significant problems then their reservists aren't exactly useful
>If they manage to take kharkhiv without significant problems then their reservists aren't exactly useful
Ah, yes after spending 2 month taking a city of 100k and being BTFO form Kharkiv once they will now "storm" it in one push. Oh well, if Russia is planning another "feint" that's fine by me.
If russia manages to take kharkhiv relatively quickly, would its reservist number (1 million) be still useful?
see above
>no source provided
I accept your concession
>If russia manages to take kharkhiv relatively quickly, would its reservist number (1 million) be still useful?
If Russia takes Kharkiv relatively quickly (within a month) I'll eat my own shit.
that's cool but I was wondering about its numerous reservists being a potential gamechanger
I don't actually contest this although I probably thing that they simply didn't have enough equipment from the beginning to take kiev with a handful of troops unless if they wanted to nuke it
>I was wondering about its numerous reservists being a potential gamechanger
It's not a game changer when it comes to offensive warfare. Ukraine can't just attack Russian positions without heavy weapons. But it does allow Ukraine to effectively defend positions until they are completely flattened. Which means that Russia will have to expedite insane amounts of resources and personnel to take anything.
>Which means that Russia will have to expedite insane amounts of resources and personnel to take anything.
that's russias problem though, not mine
in that case my apologies
So are the frontlines moving or not? Is ISW lying?
>that's russias problem though, not mine
Nothing is your problem in this conflict. I don't understand this comment whatsoever.
Ok, Vatnik
>If they manage to take kharkhiv without significant problems
After losing first battle for Kharkiv and losing their best men and equipment they will now take it "without significant problems"? I don't think Russians managed to tie their laces in the past 4 month "without significant problems" much less a feat of this magnitude.
>so that's about 27,000 casualties unable to fight
Ukraine has at least 1 million fighting men as of this moment.
I've never thought Russians would be able to surpass the humiliation they suffered at Afghanistan, but here we are, a new generation, a new cope.
Do you know the definition of insanity?
stop projecting homosexual. You got beat in every war that you entered. What a disgrace your country is
all vattie posters post the same cope at the same times
US didn't lose to Afghanistan, the pullout was planned, as was leaving of the weapons to Taliban, in fact, the stockpiles of arms left to Taliban outright prove it.
why, in every thread, is there this one boiling serb quibbling about 5 pixels' worth of map-painting?
>quibbling about 5 pixels' worth of map-painting?
russia lost the war
Damn Russia is a frickin joke
>without problems
kek Russians absolutely seething itt
The only people seething are mentally moronic shills like you.
>Being so desperate you have to make 50 threads every time you get one kill
malding
That's rich coming from the folks who spammed the tank gif for months.
How many KA52s have been lost in Ukraine so far?
Now if even the ancient Ka-50 can detect missile launches and when it's being painted by a laser, why did the much newer Ka-52 not do a single thing to defend?
It has to have an optical and or IR based MWS. Does it just not fricking work? With that flight time on that shot, I bet it could have been defeated had the pilots actually known.
>Does it just not fricking work?
yes, the pilot had probably no idea a missile is coming to say hi
They definitely are not as effectively designed as Western counterparts.
This pilot is also not observing newer Russian doctrine of low altitude flying so god knows what is happening on their end.
Martlets don't use traditional lasers, they use a grid system combined with grid + infrared terminal homing.
The grid system is significantly weaker than "painting", since the sensors are on the rear of the missile and doesn't need traditional reflecting off of the target. Potentially it's weak enough to not be noticed by traditional Russian laser detection, or perhaps the laser specifically avoids hitting the vehicles aimed at, merely painting a box around the target from the launcher as shown on the target display and using IR for the final hit.
I do love the cope that British weapons cause every time they get a kill.
NLAW gets hundreds of kills, mass seething.
Starstreak downs an Mi-28, mass seething.
LMM downs Ka-52 and Orlan 10s in their dozens, mass seething
Brimstone pops tanks like a hot knife through butter, mass seething
M777 plants 155mm on people's heads, mass seething
Man I love manpads that don't immediately give the operator away with a giant frickhuge propellant tail
>helicopter has a controlled decent
>no smoke rises from the trees following the strike indicating it didn’t actually get destroyed
>no proof that the helicopter was a Ka-52 and no photos of the aftermath
>if it was a Ka-52 then it ate an AA missile without losing control
You can dislike all the things I’m saying, but none of you can refute them. If anyone can show me proof otherwise to any of my points then I’ll retract my previous statements. Until that point this is fake propaganda that simply shows the lackluster ability of manpads.
mate, the reasonable reaction is "shit happens"
You’re a stupid Vatnik Black person I hope all of your children die and your house is bombed
>404.exe no actual data, photos, or argument detected
just deal with the fact a russian helicopter got hit by a manpads
Nice Same-gayging
>404.exe No photo evidence or other forms of evidence were detected
>PS nice goal post moving, anon.
actually we're different posters but it's nice to see another layer of cope heaped onto your pathetic display
so much this. clearly ukraine shot down a ukrainian civilian helicopter.
the western media is trying to bury this
You still haven’t posted any proof to counter even a single one of my factually backed points. Please continue to try and move the goal post and create strawman arguments in order to not feel defeated.
i don't give a shite
You still haven't posted any proof to counter the undeniable fact that your "points" are all baseless vatBlack person propaganda BS, as well as the fact that you're a braindead vatBlack person shill - and that hence any and all claims or points you make are invalid by default. Please continue to seethe more about the fact that another of your KA-52 wunderwaffe helicopters got catastrophically killed by a decades-old bong MANPADS.
> G-Guys it we didn't see no smokerino or maybe imagine if it would be just Hind or Mi-17, that would completely change situation r-right?
Deal with it, its disabled helicopter no matter what and its useless now.
don't worry komrades, our tricycle is already on the way to load it up and drive it back from the middle of enemy territory
Why is it flying so high in enemy territory? Why didn't it release flairs although rocket flew more than 16 seks towards it?? Strange
Also: the helicopter made an emergency landing obviously, it did not desintegrade.
They don't release flares unless they get painted with a laser numbnuts.
The starstreak/martlet uses a laser box grid with an endpoint IR seeker to avoid triggering laser detection.
OK, but why is the pilot exposing himself to all rocket-operators in the region instead of sneaking in low altitude? The way he flew was like, "Hey look at me, look I'm here, shoot me shoot me, yayyy!!!"
They're not sending their best anon, their best already got shot down.
How would flares distract a missile that isn't IR guided?
You tell me. Maybe they wanted to magdump at extreme range? Maybe this is a shoot and scoot AA unit in enemy territory and the heli pilot felt safe in the area?
But there is evidence. This video
>they are fine because maybe no explosion
That is not what it means at all.
but we can see it is a martlett or starstreak because of the launcher design
>getting btfo'd out of 3 fronts, losing the black sea flagship, and failing demilitarization and regime change is winning
Back to reality, Russia is doing worse than...
>Germany in both world wars
>America in Vietnam
>USSR in Afghanistan
>America in Iraq
>America in Afghanistan
Actually it was an oinkranian ka-52 trannies btfo
KA-52 was towed safely back to helicopter port, it was fine after it got shot.
Pathetic western MANPADS cannot stop the Russian Airforce.
Cope and Seethe, Russia could rain bombs on Ukraine if it wants.
Russian airforce is africa tier
>Pathetic western MANPADS: Stops Russian Airforce
What'cha gonna do about it, b***h?
all i see is a clean landing, partially damaged at worst.
>UKRAINE IS WINNING GUISE BELIEVE US LOOK AT THIS DANK COD FOOTAGE
Closeup video
That's a proper, full on hit with a Martlet.
That chopper will never fly again. Unless the pilot burned up, he will be busted beyond recognition, or full of shrapnel
Are helicopters obsolete, /k/? It's so slow and easy to be shot down.
Nothing is obsolete if it’s function cannot be replaced.
War Thunder player here why no missile warning system and automatic flares?
Is that boy with the abacus tracking air losses too? I'm curious how many KA-52's does that makes now?
Starstreak does it better