>yet ANOTHER worst korea project announced
they're just circling the stages of sad-pathetic-funny at this point. endless announcements of wunderwafffe that don't see the light of day or suck shit and no one buys.
#1 in main battle tank exports, ahead of the US
#1 in artillery exports, ahead of the US
#3 in combat aircraft exports, behind the US and France and this is before the KF21
2023 already certain to significantly surpass 2022 exports
That's not how it works, look at the sales, profits (backward looking) and stock price (forward looking) of the MIC companies and the ROK MIC companies are dominating the space
I wonder if the trade off of sacrficing APFSDS rounds to allow for tanks to double as artillery would be worth it.
Im sure a 155mm direct fire could crack a tank if needed I mean 155 smart rounds are good enough to carry 2 Self forging EFP bomblets that crack tanks just fine.
But it seems tanks are more used for infrantry support and assualt gun roles these days than tank on tank battles.
>I wonder if the trade off of sacrficing APFSDS rounds to allow for tanks to double as artillery would be worth it.
It wouldn't. We already have artillery. It's called artillery. If tanks need to use IDF for some ungodly reason most tanks have the IDF optics and calculators. No one ever got blown up by 120mm HE and said "thank god it wasn't 155mm"
Both ROK and Poland are countries that sit on a border with a hostile nation and aren't really big friends with their immediate neighbour BLUFOR allies (Germany, Japan) but like USA. This means they kinda are in perfect position to help each other as they don't have anyone closer who's going to help them unconditionally and are far apart enough their spheres of interest don't intersect. The only issue is that both can be easily blockaded and prevented from helping each other but I guess you can't have everything and they can probably count on Big Uncle USA to provide naval support. In case Poland gets fricked, they can get shit from Korea and if Korea gets fricked they can get shit from Poland. if both get fricked at the same time it's WW3 anyway so it's gonna start raining nukes sooner than later.
Despite the popular narrative, Poland is actually pretty close with Germany. Poland is a bit tsundere towards Germany, and Germans are fricking autistic bureaucrats, but they generally have a good relationship.
If nothing else, Poland's intense hatred of Russia makes them more sympathetic towards Germany.
both of them are their biggest trading partner of each other, so yeah
The rationale individuals in both Germany and Poland are pragmatic same those in South Korea and Japan, but note the US disapproval percentages in Germany and Japan ->
https://i.imgur.com/RtWfL9Z.png
The two most pro-US countries: Poland and South Korea
35% of Germans and 27% of Japanese hate the US, anything above 20% and its more than a fringe outlier, in comparison in the US approximately 24% are staunchly Trump/maga and while a minority its large enough to the point it causes massive problems in the US...
german "hate" is the literal world average while the "love" is a bit above average. Why did you get your panties twisted?
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Americans get antsy when they realize their hold on their vassals is tenuous. Just remember how angry they were when france and germany refused to join in iraq.
As a german, I can say there's a lot of irrational hate of america here. But there are legitimate reasons to be distrustful of america too. Western europe and japan feel safe to voice them, poland and south korea think they cannot afford to displease their protector.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Wait, you think Germany and France were American vassal states? Why do you homosexuals have such cuck mentalities? Only commies, Russians and shitskins think like this.
It really puts your propaganda into perspective.
11 months ago
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Because that is their ONLY way of perceiving relationships: the screwed-over and the ones doing the screwing. Predator-prey, winner-take-all, dog-eat-dog.
It is THE failing of "Muh Might Makes RIght". It turns everyone into a backstabbing frick.
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>BIDEN: if Russia invades — that means tanks or troops crossing the — the border of Ukraine again — then there will be — we — there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it. >Q But how will you — how will you do that exactly, since the project and control of the project is within Germany’s control? >PRESIDENT BIDEN: We will — I promise you, we’ll be able to do it.
America thinks it has vassals. Europeans think they're independent. But we all know europe can barely defend itself and doesn't have a coherent, proactive political strategy. The french at least try (but mostly fail), the germans just bumble about. So yeah, I think the word fits.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Europe isn't one country, you dildo. And not spending enough on the military since the cold war doesn't make someone a vassal, it just means they're short sighted, because these idiots who call themselves politicians can't think ahead, and think whatever present state will last forever.
11 months ago
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> Western europe and japan feel safe to voice them, poland and south korea think they cannot afford to displease their protector.
Not true, the differences are due to value system
On a national level the US shares values with ROK and Poland in contrast to conflicting value systems with Germany and Japan
11 months ago
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https://i.imgur.com/RtWfL9Z.png
The two most pro-US countries: Poland and South Korea
In the free world there is a discrete split between Anglosphere-aligned and non-Anglosphere-aligned, the divide is purely based on shared or at least similar values
Anglosphere-aligned: US, UK, Australia, Canada, South Korea, Poland, Israel
Non-Anglosphere-aligned: Germany, Italy, France, Spain, Japan
The Pew Research poll does not tell the full story, in Canada and Australia if you back out the non-white the approval will be the same as South Korea or Poland
Israel, already high, would be even more pro-US when backing out the Palestinians
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Nonsense. Japan and Korea are very similar in that regard. Germany and Poland, you could say, are similar to the different political sides of the US (the left, which is more palatable to germany, has the upper hand right now) but germany focuses on their dislike of the american right while poland ignores their theoretical dislike of the american left.
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The grassroots of the US are either catholics or evangelicals, Poland is a catholic nation, South Korea is a protestant nation to a degree that they control every aspect of government, business, military as well as sending more missionaries to foreign countries than any nation other than the US
Germany is a mix of catholic/protestant but there are still lingering tensions, particularly with the UK even more than the US, Japan is straight up buddhist/shinto and about as anti-Christian as it gets, grassroots values drives national values and Poland and ROK are two of the most pro-Christian nations in the world today
11 months ago
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>there are still lingering tensions, particularly with the UK
Entirely one sided. Germans don't care for britain except in a roundabout "brexit is annoying" manner. Brits on the other hand think germany is the root cause for everything happening in europe not to their liking (except when it's the french).
11 months ago
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The Brits are not entirely wrong, continental Europe is essentially German dominated at least from an economy perspective
11 months ago
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If Poland keeps un-fricking themselves, it's gonna be them + the baltics + the nordics in the future.
11 months ago
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Poland yes militarily but its going to be awhile if ever that any Euro country displaces Germany in terms of economy
11 months ago
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poland has is in a weird situation that it is a "developing nation" but with a replacement level of that of already developed nations that are on the down turn like japan, italy and germany. Its looking grim
11 months ago
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FYI that's all of the developing world. Even India's slowing down and they're firmly in the hell on earth category
11 months ago
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>The grassroots of the US are either catholics or evangelicals
I don't think you're American
>they don't have anyone closer who's going to help them unconditionally
Lol
LMAO
Like either of them is going to provide much aid their business partner on the other end of the world, much less "unconditionally". You'd think the poles would have learned their lesson about distant allies back from napoleon and WW2, but now it's not enough for it to be on the other end of germany, it has to be on the other end of asia.
ROK is building production facilities and nuclear power plants in Poland but more importantly transferring technologies so that Poland can possess their own MIC ecosystem, its more than simply selling weapons
You know how Poland will buck it's declining population trend? Poland has barely made it to the world stage in terms of industrial power and it's population is already waning (pic related). Looks like today is as good as its ever gonna get.
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demographic projections are cringe - poland reached 40 million population last year (all time high).
sure, that includes 3-4 million ukrainians, but there's also potential in a lot of belarusians moving to poland if shtf over there
>If Korean vehicles are so good, why aren't they sending them to ukraine?
lol Russia may very well dunk the entire global MIC into the dirt, dry the whole entire waffle-industry up
>Korea and Poland are growing closer in terms of collaboration
Polish-Korean commonwealth when?
Will Korea try to take revenge on Finland for the hyperborean war using Poland as the base of attack?
Should finns be worried?
Well there's the french 140 so it's not like RM is the only game in town right now. Hell maybe we'll revive the old XM291 program even, it's not absolutely certain the next RM gun will be the next NATO gun.
Part of the secondary armaments probably to replace 1 of the 2 machine guns, so instead of 2 machine guns the K3 will have 1 machine gun and 1 laser weapon
>3 man crew
Dropped
>t. can't design blowout panel autoloader racks
WIll eventually be 2 man crew, then 1 man then unmanned before the end of the century, dead fricking serious
>K3 MBT
>130mm main gun
>Laser weapon
>3 man crew
Based
I look forward to 220mm main gun, 1-man crew MBTs soon.
Pussies. I want a 180mm gun and a 300 ton tank. I want to besiege entire nations.
gay
Frick off
>yet ANOTHER worst korea project announced
they're just circling the stages of sad-pathetic-funny at this point. endless announcements of wunderwafffe that don't see the light of day or suck shit and no one buys.
#1 in main battle tank exports, ahead of the US
#1 in artillery exports, ahead of the US
#3 in combat aircraft exports, behind the US and France and this is before the KF21
2023 already certain to significantly surpass 2022 exports
>final negotiations of orders
>future orders
>on order
so nothing, got it. thanks for posting worst korean shill.
That's not how it works, look at the sales, profits (backward looking) and stock price (forward looking) of the MIC companies and the ROK MIC companies are dominating the space
This.
US dominates combat aircrafts.
SK dominates artillery.
SK / US own the main battle tank market for western aligned countries, China for thirdies.
Thank god it has a barrel shroud
>130 mm
It's gonna fail.
This
Should be a 140mm
>140mm
what for, is it supposed to sink battleships?
>140mm
Even worse
>6'
>5'11"
>Should be a 140mm
>Not telescoped
ngmi
>LUL
Why not just go 155 and make a way to share ammo between artillery and tanks to simplify logistics?
155mm is rifled and modern tanks are allergic to rifling
I wonder if the trade off of sacrficing APFSDS rounds to allow for tanks to double as artillery would be worth it.
Im sure a 155mm direct fire could crack a tank if needed I mean 155 smart rounds are good enough to carry 2 Self forging EFP bomblets that crack tanks just fine.
But it seems tanks are more used for infrantry support and assualt gun roles these days than tank on tank battles.
155mm direct fire would frick up any tank ever fielded. there's a bunch of videos on youtube
>I wonder if the trade off of sacrficing APFSDS rounds to allow for tanks to double as artillery would be worth it.
It wouldn't. We already have artillery. It's called artillery. If tanks need to use IDF for some ungodly reason most tanks have the IDF optics and calculators. No one ever got blown up by 120mm HE and said "thank god it wasn't 155mm"
A bigger gun won't save you from a human wave of Nork nuclear suicide bombers
If Korean vehicles are so good, why aren't they sending them to ukraine?
The op pic shows the vehicles Korea and Japan are sending to Ukraine, both have agreed to send only non-lethal aid though
That said, its clear that ROK is arming Poland to the point Poland will have the strongest land forces in Europe
Both ROK and Poland are countries that sit on a border with a hostile nation and aren't really big friends with their immediate neighbour BLUFOR allies (Germany, Japan) but like USA. This means they kinda are in perfect position to help each other as they don't have anyone closer who's going to help them unconditionally and are far apart enough their spheres of interest don't intersect. The only issue is that both can be easily blockaded and prevented from helping each other but I guess you can't have everything and they can probably count on Big Uncle USA to provide naval support. In case Poland gets fricked, they can get shit from Korea and if Korea gets fricked they can get shit from Poland. if both get fricked at the same time it's WW3 anyway so it's gonna start raining nukes sooner than later.
Despite the popular narrative, Poland is actually pretty close with Germany. Poland is a bit tsundere towards Germany, and Germans are fricking autistic bureaucrats, but they generally have a good relationship.
If nothing else, Poland's intense hatred of Russia makes them more sympathetic towards Germany.
both of them are their biggest trading partner of each other, so yeah
The rationale individuals in both Germany and Poland are pragmatic same those in South Korea and Japan, but note the US disapproval percentages in Germany and Japan ->
35% of Germans and 27% of Japanese hate the US, anything above 20% and its more than a fringe outlier, in comparison in the US approximately 24% are staunchly Trump/maga and while a minority its large enough to the point it causes massive problems in the US...
german "hate" is the literal world average while the "love" is a bit above average. Why did you get your panties twisted?
Americans get antsy when they realize their hold on their vassals is tenuous. Just remember how angry they were when france and germany refused to join in iraq.
As a german, I can say there's a lot of irrational hate of america here. But there are legitimate reasons to be distrustful of america too. Western europe and japan feel safe to voice them, poland and south korea think they cannot afford to displease their protector.
Wait, you think Germany and France were American vassal states? Why do you homosexuals have such cuck mentalities? Only commies, Russians and shitskins think like this.
It really puts your propaganda into perspective.
Because that is their ONLY way of perceiving relationships: the screwed-over and the ones doing the screwing. Predator-prey, winner-take-all, dog-eat-dog.
It is THE failing of "Muh Might Makes RIght". It turns everyone into a backstabbing frick.
>BIDEN: if Russia invades — that means tanks or troops crossing the — the border of Ukraine again — then there will be — we — there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it.
>Q But how will you — how will you do that exactly, since the project and control of the project is within Germany’s control?
>PRESIDENT BIDEN: We will — I promise you, we’ll be able to do it.
America thinks it has vassals. Europeans think they're independent. But we all know europe can barely defend itself and doesn't have a coherent, proactive political strategy. The french at least try (but mostly fail), the germans just bumble about. So yeah, I think the word fits.
Europe isn't one country, you dildo. And not spending enough on the military since the cold war doesn't make someone a vassal, it just means they're short sighted, because these idiots who call themselves politicians can't think ahead, and think whatever present state will last forever.
> Western europe and japan feel safe to voice them, poland and south korea think they cannot afford to displease their protector.
Not true, the differences are due to value system
On a national level the US shares values with ROK and Poland in contrast to conflicting value systems with Germany and Japan
In the free world there is a discrete split between Anglosphere-aligned and non-Anglosphere-aligned, the divide is purely based on shared or at least similar values
Anglosphere-aligned: US, UK, Australia, Canada, South Korea, Poland, Israel
Non-Anglosphere-aligned: Germany, Italy, France, Spain, Japan
The Pew Research poll does not tell the full story, in Canada and Australia if you back out the non-white the approval will be the same as South Korea or Poland
Israel, already high, would be even more pro-US when backing out the Palestinians
Nonsense. Japan and Korea are very similar in that regard. Germany and Poland, you could say, are similar to the different political sides of the US (the left, which is more palatable to germany, has the upper hand right now) but germany focuses on their dislike of the american right while poland ignores their theoretical dislike of the american left.
The grassroots of the US are either catholics or evangelicals, Poland is a catholic nation, South Korea is a protestant nation to a degree that they control every aspect of government, business, military as well as sending more missionaries to foreign countries than any nation other than the US
Germany is a mix of catholic/protestant but there are still lingering tensions, particularly with the UK even more than the US, Japan is straight up buddhist/shinto and about as anti-Christian as it gets, grassroots values drives national values and Poland and ROK are two of the most pro-Christian nations in the world today
>there are still lingering tensions, particularly with the UK
Entirely one sided. Germans don't care for britain except in a roundabout "brexit is annoying" manner. Brits on the other hand think germany is the root cause for everything happening in europe not to their liking (except when it's the french).
The Brits are not entirely wrong, continental Europe is essentially German dominated at least from an economy perspective
If Poland keeps un-fricking themselves, it's gonna be them + the baltics + the nordics in the future.
Poland yes militarily but its going to be awhile if ever that any Euro country displaces Germany in terms of economy
poland has is in a weird situation that it is a "developing nation" but with a replacement level of that of already developed nations that are on the down turn like japan, italy and germany. Its looking grim
FYI that's all of the developing world. Even India's slowing down and they're firmly in the hell on earth category
>The grassroots of the US are either catholics or evangelicals
I don't think you're American
>vassal
Slav thinking
The two most pro-US countries: Poland and South Korea
>they don't have anyone closer who's going to help them unconditionally
Lol
LMAO
Like either of them is going to provide much aid their business partner on the other end of the world, much less "unconditionally". You'd think the poles would have learned their lesson about distant allies back from napoleon and WW2, but now it's not enough for it to be on the other end of germany, it has to be on the other end of asia.
ROK is building production facilities and nuclear power plants in Poland but more importantly transferring technologies so that Poland can possess their own MIC ecosystem, its more than simply selling weapons
It's still only business. Poland and south korea have no common political or security interests.
You know how Poland will buck it's declining population trend? Poland has barely made it to the world stage in terms of industrial power and it's population is already waning (pic related). Looks like today is as good as its ever gonna get.
demographic projections are cringe - poland reached 40 million population last year (all time high).
sure, that includes 3-4 million ukrainians, but there's also potential in a lot of belarusians moving to poland if shtf over there
>If Korean vehicles are so good, why aren't they sending them to ukraine?
lol Russia may very well dunk the entire global MIC into the dirt, dry the whole entire waffle-industry up
HIMARS is still pushing their shit in on a daily basis.
There's not a single north korean and reportedly some 3 russian tanks (none operational) that a 130mm gun is necessary for.
Hue. Reminds me of the old Armata concept drawings.
Of course, the asiatics have a much better track record when it comes to making modern tanks.
Implessive
>Korea and Poland are growing closer in terms of collaboration
Polish-Korean commonwealth when?
Will Korea try to take revenge on Finland for the hyperborean war using Poland as the base of attack?
Should finns be worried?
Finland will fall
They use Patria APCs.
Poland is the bridge of friendship
>130 mm
At least tell me they'll be compatible with Rh-130 ammo and not some new proprietary ammo.
rm is already working on 130 so itll probably be nato standard anyway in a few years. If not then poland and korea will be lobbying towards it
Well there's the french 140 so it's not like RM is the only game in town right now. Hell maybe we'll revive the old XM291 program even, it's not absolutely certain the next RM gun will be the next NATO gun.
>Laser weapon
Cue it!
What would the laser be used for, disrupting ATGM seekers and downing drones?
Blinding chinks and vatniks for the luls
Part of the secondary armaments probably to replace 1 of the 2 machine guns, so instead of 2 machine guns the K3 will have 1 machine gun and 1 laser weapon
>germany makes a colab with japan to develop a new version of type 10 just so they could shit in poland and north korea