https://www.armyrecognition.com/defense_news_march_2024_global_security_army_industry/hanwha_aerospace_from_south_korea_competes_in_latvia_with_its_k21_infantry_fighting_vehicle.html
>Latvia's Ministry of Defense is in the midst of an extensive evaluation process to select a suitable IFV to increase its armed forces' combat capabilities. The project outlines the acquisition of 100 state-of-the-art IFVs to bolster the nation's defense capabilities. Among the contenders are Hanwha Aerospace's K21, the ASCOD by General Dynamics European Land Systems, and the Tulpar from the Turkish defense manufacturer, Otokar.
>Over a rigorous three-week testing phase conducted in October 2023, the K21 underwent comprehensive assessments focusing on its mobility and firepower capabilities. According to the tests conducted by the Latvian armed forces, the K21 emerged as a frontrunner, outperforming its competitors significantly in both evaluated aspects. The vehicle's superior firepower, coupled with its competitive pricing—being 30-40% cheaper than its counterparts—has positioned it as the likely choice for Latvia.
>Armed with a robust two-man turret, the K21 boasts a 40mm cannon alongside two anti-tank guided missile launchers. The cannon's impressive rate of fire reaches 300 rounds per minute, with projectiles achieving a velocity of 1,005 meters per second. Its armor-piercing fin-stabilized discarding sabot (APFSDS) rounds are capable of penetrating up to 220mm of armor, thanks to their self-sharpening feature. Complementing the main armament, the vehicle is equipped with third-generation anti-tank guided missiles, comparable in performance to the Israeli Spike missile, capable of breaching armor up to 1,000mm thick. A coaxial 7.62mm machine gun serves as the secondary armament.
Bofors bros... Are we back...?
>K21
But why?
Reasonably priced as Koreans produce stuff at pretty large volume and Koreans probably can start deliveries pretty fast, if necessary from their own existing stockpiles.
Its not really reasonably priced as its among the most expensive, you could probably get 5 warriors for the price of a single k21, but the k21 is essentially a version of the redback which completely mogged the lynx on every performance metric and selected despite costing over 20% more per unit, the reality is that there is no better option available today in the ifv space than the k21
The Redback is a larger vehicle based on thr K21 but not amphibious. The K21 is significantly cheaper.
Correct, but the k21 is the price of around 5 warriors, the redback is probably around the price of 2-3x this amount, also the redback is larger but no significantly, the k21 also happens to have the 40mm cannon as standard issue
Shut the frick up warriortard
Take the meds.
Probably because drones, and K21 has a 40mm Bofors main gun with airburst ammunition.
Latvians are morons
I'm going to laugh my ass off when what is forthcoming in the coming days maybe week is announced...without giving it away we can safely say it has to do with the uk and a major ROK land based weapons systems...
Its safe to say that at this point its not that the ROK mic needs anybody its entirely the free world needs the ROK mic...
They paid the biggest bribe, probably.
Absolutely. All our procurement decisions are made by politicians who understand literally nothing about the subject matter.
That's like asking why Estonians bought roachshit instead of Finnish
what did they buy?
They got some turk APC's instead of joining the Patria 6x6 program like Latvia did.
Why are they like this?
Money matters. You can literally pick up 3~4x more Turkish weapons for the same amount of budget due to the exchange rate.
Yes, but now le poor latvia can make APC's, but estonia can't
Why would they? They can demand manufacturing facilities in land but it will only increase the overhead cost.
Longevity. Now say, letts can make their own spares, they're making additional crap for that big swedish order, more jobs, more monies. And no depending on neutrooler roaches.
They needed to fill NATO standards for rapid deployment troops in couple years or get reprimanded. Turkshit will be start deliveries from their already ready stock while Patria would need to be built from scratch and the factory lines are already backlogged with Finnish and Swedish orders. Patria also has very small factory due to the licencing style they practice but Estonia has not industry that could build them so they need them delivered instead.
99% because they can actually ship it in this decade, unlike most other vendors
if they are like poland, it's ROK willingness for technology transfers and incorporation of domestic industries compared to western partners. germoney will basically just sell you whole stuff not letting the eastern plebs do anything domestically. and US doesn't seem to have anything besides bradley, which now makes me question why they don't export it to anyone
The M1 Abrams and Bradley just aren't that good and are used by the US just because they are domestic. They both loose every single adoption competition to the like of Leo 2, CV90 etc.
>if they are like poland
They're not
>it's ROK willingness for technology transfers and incorporation of domestic industries compared to western partners
Irrelevant for Latvia because they don't have the economy or industry to manufacture heavy military gear like IFV's at a reasonable price
>germoney will basically just sell you whole stuff not letting the eastern plebs do anything domestically
Wrong, german companies allow license production of german weapons and integration of domestic systems to their weapons (see foreign Leo2 variants).
Of course a moron like you wouldn't know because the only thing you can do is parrot shitty nationalist memes and present them as "facts"
https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2022/07/31/norway-delivered-gepard-spaag-35mm-shells-are-useless-in-ukraine/
https://www.eurasiantimes.com/image-collapse-how-one-of-worlds-best-self-propelled-artillery/
https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2024/03/31/ukraines-taurus-missile-dream-fades-berlin-halts-production/
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/04/world/europe/germany-ukraine-russia.html
Incredible, you posted 4 links and they're all irrelevant garbage
The gepard's ammo issue is due to the Swiss being morons and not wanting their ammo to be used in wars so Germany had to find alternate suppliers
>Eurasian times
lol, lmao even
The Taurus shit is dumb but that's completely irrelevant here
>The gepard's ammo issue is due to the Swiss being morons and not wanting their ammo to be used in wars so Germany had to find alternate suppliers
This isn't about Swiss ammunition though, the culprit is that the krauts got greedy that they didn't want their weapon systems to accept ammo manufactured by 3rd parties. They actually solved it by making a dent on the edge of the shell thus hacking the mission computer to think it as training munition.
Both the gun and ammo were designed and manufactured by Oerlikon which is a Swiss company
Oerlikon is a subsidiary of Rheinmetall now.
Which is irrelevant because the subsidiary is located in Switzerland and is under Swiss jurisdiction.
They eventually relocated production to Germany once they realized Switzerland wouldn't budge.
>Which is irrelevant because the subsidiary is located in Switzerland and is under Swiss jurisdiction.
Yeah, but that doesn't change the fact that all the intellectual properties belong to its parent company. Also, the same incident happened with Lance turrets sold to Australia a few years prior.
They purchased the IP 2 decades after the gepard's introduction and by then the gepard was already considered obsolete. It only gained a second wind due to the unexpected mass adoption of cheap drones and loitering munitions in a large scale war.
>They purchased the IP 2 decades after the gepard's introduction and by then the gepard was already considered obsolete.
It went through large scale overhauls, including modernization of the electronics, in the early 2000s.
Also, it's not a matter of armament, but more to do with the FCS.
As yes, the "posting a bunch of links from google without even reading them to see if they actually say anything about the subject at hand" method of arguing. Because you've got nothing, but are too stupid to shut up.
>bulgarianmilitary
>eurasiantimes
Don't overdose on kimchi, if we were this close to getting 100 IFV's it would be one of the largest military contracts for the country and people wouldn't be able to shut up about it.
https://www.businesskorea.co.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=213868
>The K21 Infantry Fighting Vehicle, produced by Hanwha Aerospace, is highly likely to be exported to Latvia this year.
>Hanwha Aerospace is currently participating in the Latvian Army’s armored vehicle replacement project with its K-21 Infantry Fighting Vehicle. The project involves about 100 units and is valued at 4 trillion won.
>The candidates for this project include Hanwha Aerospace’s K-21, the ASCOD developed jointly by Austria and Spain, and Turkey’s Tulpar.
>The K-21 armored vehicle is known for its operational experience and firepower. Notably, it demonstrated its firing capabilities during recent joint military exercises with the United States, moving in real maneuvers. Since its mass production started in 2009, over 460 units have been operated by the Army. The K21 boasts a high hit rate in combined training due to its automated fire control system.
>It is equipped with a 40 mm cannon that, when loaded with Armor-Piercing Fin-Stabilized Discarding Sabots (APFSDS), can penetrate steel plates 100 to 130 mm thick from distances over 1 km. Furthermore, it has a 750 horsepower engine, allowing it to move at up to 70 kph on flat terrain and 40 kph on rough terrain. It also features amphibious capabilities, using side pontoons and a frontal wave deflector to travel at 6 kph in water.
>Hanwha Aerospace underwent mobility and firepower evaluations locally for three weeks from October last year and is reported to have received the highest score. Competing products that also utilize a 30 mm main gun have been judged inferior in firepower and are 30-40% cheaper, making the K-21 the anticipated choice.
>competition is ASCOD and Tuplar
Yeah, I'm actually thinking K21 could win
why not a cv90? i thought we were friends latvia?
Nothing will happen, Koreans and the local IFV autist are jerking themselves over a contract that would have been a hot topic in the media for months.
Now watch as weeks pass and we end up sticking a 30mm turret on a Patria 6x6.
Cost. CV9040 was out of production long ago, and K21 were produced untily recently, so it might actually be slightly more technologically up to date and faster to resume the production.
Literally, it is the cheapest, if not the second amongst the candidates(Tulpar has got some edges due to dwindling lira). Also, for the amount they're demanding, it might actually seek for local production.
what? cv90 is in production RIGHT now. they are literally building factories for it as we speak.
Those are CV9030 for the Czechs. 40mm version is only used by Sweden.
i said cv90. they are being made in övik as we speak.
>i said cv90. they are being made in övik as we speak.
Yeah, but those versions are lacking the most important element that K21 has, 40mm gun. They literally want a flak gun, Anon.
Also, judging from the fact that Lynx dropped out of the competition in the early stage, pricing issues could be the main reason why BAE didn't even bother to participate.
CV90 can be outfitted with whatever gun you want, including 40mm. But sure getting a new order instead of buying existing stockpiles would probably be a little too expensive for Latvia. Maybe in 5-10 years when the factory in Ukraine is set up but that's way too late. The baltics need weapons now before the chance of a renewed Russian chimpout occurs.
I think all of the vehicles will be newly built with slightly modified steel based chassis. Basically a redback with missing roadwheels.
No? The CV90 is in production right now and they're also building a new factory for it in Brazil.
Do these Black folk even read? It's CV9040, which is equipped with a 40mm gun.
You can put any fricking gun into the new CV90, even bigger than 40mm you flaming dipshit.
>You can put any fricking gun into the new CV90, even bigger than 40mm you flaming dipshit.
No, unless you've got a plan to revive the 40mm line. Even the brochure you posted has only 30/35/120 as options, 40mm is long gone.
i dont understand why you are focused on 40mm? they can get 50mm if they want.
>they can get 50mm
You can get whatever prototypes the companies want to make you buy, but it won't be as cheap as the ones already in service and widespread enough to find stockpiles of ammo just about anywhere. The program itself is focused on getting an off the shelf solution within the budget as soon as possible, which explains why both Lynx and CV90 quickly dropped out of it.
The K21 literally uses a copy of Bofors 40mm though
>The K21 literally uses a copy of Bofors 40mm though
So? The rounds are still compatible.
Shut up you lying asiatic
Latvia don't forget the expensive shipping...
without shells useless
Drones go boo-ACK
Hopefully it's better than their shitbox cars.
I remember seeing one we had for "testing" and it was made for manlets. One of the reasons we got CV90. Pretty sure CV90 has huge backorder so wait 5 years or get asiatic IFV now.
K21 is huge compared to Bradley. Also, the new chassis will have a crew compartment similar to Redback.
>M2 Bradley vs K21
>length 6,5m vs 6,9m
>width 3,6m vs 3,4m
>height 3m vs 2,6m
wtf kinda perspective magic is going on in that picture?
> nipshill weeb troony like clockwork
K21 is a big ifv larger as big as some mbts to include the t72, if you can't fit inside a K21 you got no business being in the military go back to fatty camp
It’s crazy to me — maybe not that crazy considering who buys them — that anyone wants to pay money to alpha-test Korean engineering. I promise this thing has a huge number of systems which don’t work or work well and/or are unreliable.
>alpha-test
K21 is hardly in an alpha version at this point, it's a fully mature platform with over 466 produced.