there is literally nothing wrong with buying no-name chinese goods to save money
if you want to pay 2x as much or more to get a fancy brand - that's on you - but there's no actual benefit to doing so other than feeling superior
>if you want to pay 2x as much or more to get a fancy brand - that's on you
chances are it's still manufactured in china, Taiwan, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Kenya...
Of course they are because they follow directions. American made isn't quality anymore and most Americans are so rebellious and stupid that even if they were good at their jobs they wouldn't do it long enough to promote a brand with their quality craftsmanship before they quit and someone less capable took their job.
https://i.imgur.com/HStyjfo.jpg
Just found out pic related is chinese junk. What's the most credited hiking shoe?
Buy the fricking shoe if you want it. Merrell is my go to for the past decade and I don't see that changing anytime soon but if you want the shoes you posted get them. Those kids need jobs too.
New to PrepHole, shopping for hiking shoes for the first time. I moved to a house innawoods and want hiking shoes for yard work, woods walking, and exercise in non-paved areas. What price point should I be looking at from Merrell given my less demanding use case? I like the idea of the high tops, the terrain I live in is very uneven and hilly.
I mean it depends on company but redwing makes their boots there outside of the herritage line. Very Fender US vs Fender Mexico. But bottom line is blue collar guys wouldn't spend the $320 for US made so the most they can get away with charging on their steel toe work boots is $180 (around keen prices) so they had to outsource to stay competitive.
On average, Chinese manufacturing is better quality than US manufacturing when you are comparing equal products of equal value.
You just are stuck in the early 2000’s
>that will last longer
That argument was made back when only cheap shit was made in China. Quality companies realized they could profit off the cheap labor too and exported their jobs as well. You can find good American products but they'll be way more than 40% markup and probably a 6-9 week lead time.
Lots of sf guys wear Salomon because it's good shit. Salomon does 2-2.5 year warranty depending on what goes wrong, REI does 1 year no questions asked, and Gore Tex does lifetime. I own multiple pairs of Salomon footwear.
REI is not no questions asked. I took my Salomon Quest 4D's that my dog got ahold of and tore apart. They would not exchange them despite being under 1 year. I went rock climbing, came back later in the day, and a new manager was on duty. Told her my boot tore apart on a hike. Exchanged it.
Are there any actual stores that physically sell these or are they all online? I'm super hesitant to order something and then return it for a half size difference. It's the biggest reason I haven't bought a pair yet.
I got some Solomon 4s and they're actually a sturdy design. Haven't had them for more than a month so if you have any details on what makes them bad please tell me but so far no issues for me.
nah there's nothing wrong with them. the older models were slightly better because they had metal eyelets. but it doesn't matter because you're wearing the midsole out first like any other boot. and rei will replace them.
quest 4/4d's are one of the best boots on paper (i agree with anon
It took me a while to realize shoes are a very personal thing and that you can’t listen to reviews since everyone’s feet are different. I’ve historically had major issues with shoes and would constantly get blisters backpacking. Just took Altra Timp 4s through the sierras and had almost zero issues. Find what fits your feet. REI is the best for this. I can beat the shit out of my Altras for an entire year and still return them.
its all about fit and the best boot is personal.) i consider it a 3+ season boot; it works great with crampons/spikes but its not insulated enough for sub 0* temps being such a light weight boot.
if you want boots that feel like shoes the solomans are the most boot-like choice. keens and merells are also good for that but they're more 3 season boots. merells aren't durable but they're the cheapest. ive had my quest 4d's since 2016 mostly used them in swampy or icy conditions and they're probably going to look brand new when the midsole hits the end of its mileage.
It took me a while to realize shoes are a very personal thing and that you can’t listen to reviews since everyone’s feet are different. I’ve historically had major issues with shoes and would constantly get blisters backpacking. Just took Altra Timp 4s through the sierras and had almost zero issues. Find what fits your feet. REI is the best for this. I can beat the shit out of my Altras for an entire year and still return them.
I sold shoes for a long time before online sales killed it. It is, without a doubt, one of the most personal things you will ever be a part of for most people. I was stunned my first few months with how defensive and picky people could be.
there is literally nothing wrong with buying no-name chinese goods to save money
if you want to pay 2x as much or more to get a fancy brand - that's on you - but there's no actual benefit to doing so other than feeling superior
>if you want to pay 2x as much or more to get a fancy brand - that's on you
chances are it's still manufactured in china, Taiwan, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Kenya...
Of course they are because they follow directions. American made isn't quality anymore and most Americans are so rebellious and stupid that even if they were good at their jobs they wouldn't do it long enough to promote a brand with their quality craftsmanship before they quit and someone less capable took their job.
Buy the fricking shoe if you want it. Merrell is my go to for the past decade and I don't see that changing anytime soon but if you want the shoes you posted get them. Those kids need jobs too.
New to PrepHole, shopping for hiking shoes for the first time. I moved to a house innawoods and want hiking shoes for yard work, woods walking, and exercise in non-paved areas. What price point should I be looking at from Merrell given my less demanding use case? I like the idea of the high tops, the terrain I live in is very uneven and hilly.
Merrell Moab shoes. $100 +/- on amazon
More specifically the Moab 2 vent
I got mine, unused, for 20$.
>people will still hate on surplus
Where at? I'd kill to find them at that price where I am.
thrift store
saw them, mid-height version too
clean and the tread was basically un-used
gotta get out and get lucky
Salomon is most often recommended. Quest 4d or whstever.
Lowa also but a stiffer bootwhatever.
Merrel moab if you are poorgay.
Yes we get it OP, you keep looking for more excuses to stay indoors.
But did you really have to create a new thread just to tell us that?
>t. projecting
get a Made in Vietnam shoes, the quality is so much better than the Made in China shoes.
>t. thanh nguyen
I mean it depends on company but redwing makes their boots there outside of the herritage line. Very Fender US vs Fender Mexico. But bottom line is blue collar guys wouldn't spend the $320 for US made so the most they can get away with charging on their steel toe work boots is $180 (around keen prices) so they had to outsource to stay competitive.
>doesnt know about the french colonial rubber industry
Merrell.
Almost without fail.
Mine are made in India or Vietnam not chingcongland
On average, Chinese manufacturing is better quality than US manufacturing when you are comparing equal products of equal value.
You just are stuck in the early 2000’s
call me crazy but I cant find an argument against paying an extra 20-40% on something that will last longer and is made by non-bugmen
>that will last longer
That argument was made back when only cheap shit was made in China. Quality companies realized they could profit off the cheap labor too and exported their jobs as well. You can find good American products but they'll be way more than 40% markup and probably a 6-9 week lead time.
Lots of sf guys wear Salomon because it's good shit. Salomon does 2-2.5 year warranty depending on what goes wrong, REI does 1 year no questions asked, and Gore Tex does lifetime. I own multiple pairs of Salomon footwear.
REI is not no questions asked. I took my Salomon Quest 4D's that my dog got ahold of and tore apart. They would not exchange them despite being under 1 year. I went rock climbing, came back later in the day, and a new manager was on duty. Told her my boot tore apart on a hike. Exchanged it.
Fricking dumb.
That's reasonable as typically they won't exchange for pet damages but active damage or bad design they'll cover.
>it's a doggay thinks the rest of the world is on the hook for the shitty behavior of his heckin pupper episode
Whatever your local army uses
>lives in the united states
>the army combat boot sucks and salomons are the most popular civilian replacement
altra lone peak 6 (trail runners)
Are there any actual stores that physically sell these or are they all online? I'm super hesitant to order something and then return it for a half size difference. It's the biggest reason I haven't bought a pair yet.
Rei and your local boutique running shops.
I try to avoid REI if I can. Guess I can bite the bullet and go in, though. Thanks.
>try on shoe on rei
>go online and buy last year's colorway on steep 50% discount because the trail isn't a fashion show
>go online and buy last year's colorway on steep 50% discount because the trail isn't a fashion show
Why did you feel the need to add this line. I do like the rest of your advice though, thanks.
Also, if it's your first time wearing zero drop shoes your calves will hurt until your body gets adjusted.
Can someone recommend shoes/boots that aren't plastic garbage holy frick
plastic is the future chudcel pissbaby
Altberg microlite series of boots.
best
Gets wet and stays went v.s. gets wet and dries in 30 minutes
>best
Ok bud
I love my vasques.
Whatever cheapo running shoes that are on the discount rack at Big 5
Keens are about the best under 200 dollar range boots these days
fun fact: your computer and smartphone are also chinese junk
your junk is not even worth exporting lol
I got some Solomon 4s and they're actually a sturdy design. Haven't had them for more than a month so if you have any details on what makes them bad please tell me but so far no issues for me.
nah there's nothing wrong with them. the older models were slightly better because they had metal eyelets. but it doesn't matter because you're wearing the midsole out first like any other boot. and rei will replace them.
quest 4/4d's are one of the best boots on paper (i agree with anon
its all about fit and the best boot is personal.) i consider it a 3+ season boot; it works great with crampons/spikes but its not insulated enough for sub 0* temps being such a light weight boot.
if you want boots that feel like shoes the solomans are the most boot-like choice. keens and merells are also good for that but they're more 3 season boots. merells aren't durable but they're the cheapest. ive had my quest 4d's since 2016 mostly used them in swampy or icy conditions and they're probably going to look brand new when the midsole hits the end of its mileage.
It took me a while to realize shoes are a very personal thing and that you can’t listen to reviews since everyone’s feet are different. I’ve historically had major issues with shoes and would constantly get blisters backpacking. Just took Altra Timp 4s through the sierras and had almost zero issues. Find what fits your feet. REI is the best for this. I can beat the shit out of my Altras for an entire year and still return them.
I sold shoes for a long time before online sales killed it. It is, without a doubt, one of the most personal things you will ever be a part of for most people. I was stunned my first few months with how defensive and picky people could be.
I have Oboz and I don't care
I've been wearing the same pair of Merrell nubuck books for like 5 years and they still look almost brand new.
I got Salomons and they're great.