The ability to offset the control unit from the launcher is a nice feature, but it's because it's a frickhuge tandem HEAT warhead. They frick up armor. Simple as.
if you watch a stugma video 90% of the time the laser is only directly pointed at the vic in the last second.
I’m sorry you can’t handle the fact that the stugna is a beam riding missile without top attack features. Is it really my fault that the TOW is better? What are you really mad at
who said it was better than a TOW? it doesn't need to be. I've never heard of a man portable remote launch TOW so i don't understand the comparison anyway
> if you watch a stugma video 90% of the time the laser is only directly pointed at the vic in the last second.
Terrible way to train and misses must be common. Imagine telling your gunner to aim over the target and then slam down at the last second > I've never heard of a man portable remote launch TOW so i don't understand the comparison anyway
*attatches cable to TOW just to watch you seethe*
>Terrible way to train and misses must be common. Imagine telling your gunner to aim over the target and then slam down at the last second
wah wah wah wah. it works. >*attatches cable to TOW just to watch you seethe*
okay so the TOW equivalent of stugna exists in your sexual fantasies. why would that make me seethe?
It’s just not an important enough capability to warrant adding a cable. The TOW just works better as is
1 year ago
Anonymous
the point is they're just not comparable. it's like saying you should use a fitty cal instead of an m110
1 year ago
Anonymous
Static ATGMs aren’t comparable? Now that’s cope
1 year ago
Anonymous
compare away then but I don't think anyone is cross shopping them. well, stugna's solely domestic use now that war's on anyway. so really you should just be judging it on performance.
It *works* because the ukies obviously only publish videos of successful missile engagements. There are probably loads of times where the operator either just missed attempting a meme maneuver or the target unknowningly moved out of LOS while the missile was in flight.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>they do it even though it doesn't work because they don't like killing the enemy, and then they show you they times it does work to justify it
vs. >they do it because it works
1 year ago
Anonymous
Mental gymnastics. The ukranians posting videos only post videos of their kills. This doesn’t not mean it doesn’t work. It means when they miss they don’t upload it.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Mental gymnastics
no shit sherlock that's the joke, you just don't understand that you're the punchline
Vs current generation Russian armour this doesn't matter, it'll go right through the front.
Like the TOW2b, it can probably be retrofitted to have top attack munitions. Top attack isn't that hard to make honestly once you have the rest of the missile sorted.
>He doesn't realise the lazer doesn't have to aim at the tank till the last second
He counts this as a flaw so basically no reason, the reality is the javelin also doesn't fly at the enemy tank till the last second either.
Beam riders are cheap as frick, and later versions of them are virtually unjammable from the front.
The difference is the javelin isn’t emoting a lazer. It’s a fire and forget missile that just crushes tanks. The stugna has to emit a laser and manually hold the laser over the tank and then swing down at the last second. Really inefficient
Yeah. And the fact you have to man it, you don't have 200k readily available and you can't just toss it at the enemy is a drawback too.
In war, everything is a compromise. The Sugma-D is a relatively cheap, effective, easy to use platform. It's great for what it is, and if production could have been scaled up even further, it would have been one of the most cost-efficient ATGMs we have.
I’m sorry you can’t handle the fact that the stugna is a beam riding missile without top attack features. Is it really my fault that the TOW is better? What are you really mad at
There’s more TOW videos from Syria than stugna from Ukraine. There’s also more javelin videos from Ukraine than stugna. It really is nice having better weapons than stugna like TOW and javelin
Watching the thread, posting style, observing since it was like 2 posts and knowing this particular moron. I'm not going to say where but I think he got attached to the idea of "TOW BAD/GOOD" in another thread and decided to make an entirely new thread about it.
Don't mind him, warriortard just jumped on a tow thread just to samegayshill as per usual.
He's been going for roughly 2 hours.
Just warriortard being his usual self and making shitposting threads. He started posting about an hour and a half ago.
Attempt at spinning a narrative
1 year ago
Anonymous
Literally 3 separate people, one of them me homosexual. Frick off.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Clumsy attempt. JASSM really got you going
1 year ago
Anonymous
>absolutely incoherent bullshit
For anyone watching an extremely high post to ID ratio (right now we're sitting on 46/13 which is very suspect) and people making seemingly illiterate posts, or ones making in jokes of sorts, is a sign of a shill thread. These people make them now because they know the mods are asleep.
1 year ago
Anonymous
This is moronic. I’d rather be in a thread with a handful of military enthusiasts discussing a topic than a thread where 150 anons post one liners. Lurk moar
1 year ago
Anonymous
>military enthusiasts
This isn't one of those threads, it's a thread of people who don't know how fricking TOWs work.
Like, how is this the post of a "military enthusiast" >He was cucked by the amount of kino stugna produced, but stugna isnt american, and tow hasnt produced any recent kino not mentioning it never produce the stugna tier quality kino ever through all its existance,
1 year ago
Anonymous
What is this rambling? A weapon isn’t measured in /k/ino but capability. It’s not my fault the stugna had to suffer so many design compromises in order to stay cheap
1 year ago
Anonymous
>noooo I don’t like small poster count to post threads >let me just post this same sentiment for the 3rd time itt
shockingly unaware
>Be TOW >Massive >Heavy >Exposed as frick while firing >No standard Thermals
>Be Stunga >Lighter >Smaller >Not exposed while firing >Thermals standard
The beam riding trade off is well worth it. The TOW is a legacy platform that is "good enough" it can't compete with modern atgms like the Kornet or even the Stunga.
TOW is much better. More versatile, can be used for clearing bunkers and top attack hits on MBT. Better warheads and targeting system. More people use it.
>The BGM-71 TOW ("Tube-launched, Optically tracked, Wire-guided", pronounced /ˈtoʊ/)[7] is an American anti-tank missile. TOW replaced much smaller missiles like the SS.10 and ENTAC, offering roughly twice the effective range, a more powerful warhead, and a greatly improved semi-automatic command to line of sight (SACLOS) that could also be equipped with infrared cameras for night time use. >that could also be equipped with infrared cameras for night time use
Again, move along tourist I already told you it needs to have one added on, a la AN/TAS-4A add on package in Picrel.
How can one make threads but be so uninformed?
> that could also be equipped with infrared cameras for night time use
Hey thanks for proving TOW has IR capability. May I see the equipment that would allow stugna to equip top attack variants? How about a stugna add on that changes the guidance system to something more modern than beam riding kek
1 year ago
Anonymous
Yea it’s much better. Plus it’s integrated heavily onto the Bradley which has amazing IR sights for it, and the user is under cover. I guess you could slap a stugna on the roof but why would you when you have the much better TOW
Wow all it took was the thermal post to revert warriortard to his double post coping mechanism. If you don't like being btfo'd all the time why don't you chose a different subject? Clearly responding twice is a sign of your desperation...
>Thanks for proving is has IR capability
Lmao solid goal post shift. The TOW standard is dogshit and requires a frick high sight and a vast range of missiles to come close to the BASE stunga which also keeps the operator safe.
Picrel, imagine wanting to use that frick huge POS looool
1 year ago
Anonymous
I’m not shifting goalposts you’re the one who made the claim tow didn’t have IR capability. I’m sorry you’re just finding out that old American missiles are better than new ukranian missiles. Must be rough
1 year ago
Anonymous
My original post
>Be TOW >Massive >Heavy >Exposed as frick while firing >No standard Thermals
>Be Stunga >Lighter >Smaller >Not exposed while firing >Thermals standard
The beam riding trade off is well worth it. The TOW is a legacy platform that is "good enough" it can't compete with modern atgms like the Kornet or even the Stunga.
>No Thermals standard
You say "you’re the one who made the claim tow didn’t have IR capability"
Thanks again for the easy btfo you fat loser another few hours of your life wasted white knighting a weapon system that weighs less than you, despite being heavy as frick.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Thermals standard is only your idea of an own. It does not matter if the thermals come with the unit or you clip thermals on. They both have thermal capability. Now, as for the all important top attack feature, the stugna has no way to do it. Couple that with the inferior beam riding guidance system and here we are
1 year ago
Anonymous
Thanks for your concession, you were easily btfo'd.
1 year ago
Anonymous
No concession. TOW remains the superior platform
1 year ago
Anonymous
See
>Be TOW >Massive >Heavy >Exposed as frick while firing >No standard Thermals
>Be Stunga >Lighter >Smaller >Not exposed while firing >Thermals standard
The beam riding trade off is well worth it. The TOW is a legacy platform that is "good enough" it can't compete with modern atgms like the Kornet or even the Stunga.
Re-read it slowly this time so you can reply without the autistic tick that btfo'd you originally. >TOW COMES WITH THERMALS DUUURR >a-aktuuualllyyyy it's thermal capable >Aaaaaktually it doesn't matter if it doesn't come with Thermals
Your still fat wrong and moronic. Thanks for playing.
1 year ago
Anonymous
You’re hyper focused on how the TOW uses thermals. I’ll brake it down >thermal capable
Stugna-yes
TOW-yes >top attack
Stugna-no
TOW-yes >passive guidance
Stugna-no
TOW-yes >remote capable
Stugna-yea
TOW- No
Wait until you realize stugna is remote operated because they have to emit a laser beam at the target. TOW has completely passive guidance. I’m glad I was able to prove TOW is better, and I’m glad you won your argument about how the TOW uses thermals.
1 year ago
Anonymous
This is about the only bit of usefull comparison in the thread. Thanks
1 year ago
Anonymous
Let's get this straight. Your an iliterate Mongoloid troll that actually thinks he has a point this time kek. >Hyper focused on TOWs lack or thermal as standard.
Yes because it doesn't come standard You fat idiot how can you not comprehend this? It's not a STANDARD feature meaning a frick ton of them LACK thermal ability which in 2023 is fricking archaic. >Top attack
With a specific missile that isn't wide spread >passive guidance
Only an issue for the TOW given how fricking huge it is. Stunga operator is hidden out of sight and doesn't have to pray somone isn't looking at him. >Weight
TOW is a frick huge pos Stunga isn't
Imagine not having a standard Thermal sight in 2023, sounds like it's straight out of Russia tbh
1 year ago
Anonymous
He doesn't realise that his human body holding his TOW will be spotted by basically every modern thermal and he'd be dead pretty quick.
It's a serious flaw for the TOW, it's not future proof at all, and puts operators at significant risk.
"Muh Lazer can be spotted" is such a non issue when "muh soon to be corpse" can be spotted by high technology just as easily.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Easily detectable
You know what's easily detectable? Human sized object standing next to TOW on thermal imagery of a tank
A laser being pointed at a tank is much more visible. That’s why no good modern atgms are beam riding.
1 year ago
Anonymous
It doesn’t come standard but if you want to fire your tow at night you’ll just slap on thermals. Really easy. The TOW is marginally heavier but it doesn’t matter for an en placed weapon. The stugna is much easier to see than the TOW because you have to emit a laser beam at the target. Imagine having to lase a target in 2023 with an e placed ATGM. That’s Russia tier, literally, the kornet uses the exact same beam riding guidance system. Talk about embarrasing.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Warriortard just stop I've obliterated you your just making things up now. >you just slap one on
What if you don't have one because it doesn't come standard? Stunga doesn't have that problem.
This is the stupidest argument I've seen. Imagine saying *insert rifle here* is better than x because it can have a thermal scope...but it doesn't come with one. Idiotic. >Marginally heavier
Made up, you haven't got a clue have you? >TOW 130 KG loaded (TOW 2B FCS Battery and missile has an extra 35KG) >Stunga 65KG loaded
Your just rambling utter trash.
But wait it goes on... >Easily spotted with laser
What will they see? A metal launcher with a rocket? OK cool it blows up, no one is injured move on. Meanwhile the frick huge TOWs crew is lit up like a Christmas tree on thermal and the operator has just been smoked by a guy with a .22LR. Imagine being this vulnerable.
>B-but the Kornet
Has an 8km range, twice that of the TOWS you dumb frick why would you bring that up it makes you look worse lmao
Picrel don't mind me I'm just stood here waiting to be fricked
1 year ago
Anonymous
>warriortard just stop I've obliterated you
This delusion is getting sad now. All of this and he can’t overcome the fact that it’s a shitty beam rider without top attack function. >he will keep replying to this because I own him
1 year ago
Anonymous
>beam rider without top attack function
You keep repeating this as a moronic gotcha, when it's meaningless. The Stugna is still good enough today for almost all targets except a few advanced tanks that still have not even entered service. There's nothing in the russian inventory they can't kill, as we've seen many times since Feb 24. It will probaby get a top attack variant in the future, anyway.
1 year ago
Anonymous
It was better when you used to out yourself with dumb pictures or that time you were exposed as a poorgay with a shit job lol or when you got caught editing the Bradley wiki.
Warriortard your very ill person
Yea it’s much better. Plus it’s integrated heavily onto the Bradley which has amazing IR sights for it, and the user is under cover. I guess you could slap a stugna on the roof but why would you when you have the much better TOW
>another episode of "thing that everyone shits on turns out to not be shit"
Just another reminder that the M14 was the best battle rifle of the cold war.
Everyone doesn’t shit on the stugna. It’s a respectable indigenous design that works good enough. Of course it’s not as good as the American design but no one expected it to be. They just need it function against old tanks that Russia has not modern ones.
I think warriortard is so effective because he picks arguments he can’t lose. Like Bradley vs warrior, stugna vs TOW, storm shadow vs JASSM etc. I’m guessing it’s to make people look moronic for defending something like the stugna over the TOW because it has a cable attatched to it. The best bet is to ignore warriortard threads
What's with the sperging out against beam riders? They work and the crew is protected from return fire by virtue of being somewhere else.
This war shows the need for any country facing a real threat to have tons of cheap but efficient technology. The Soviet idea before Russia went all to shit.
> What's with the sperging out against beam riders
Easily detectable > crew is protected from return fire by virtue of being somewhere else.
That has nothing to do with beam riding
They routinely aim for something else and shifting onto the target in the last second.
Also if detected, I've yet to seen this translated into and a avoidance, soft or hard kill.
"I'm in 50 tons of steel with momentum" isn't really the platform to decisevly react to the fact of a tandem charge heat missile is going for you.
So yeah you might be right that it isn't the best system out there, but it gets the job done and for countries which realistically have to balls out fight, that's enough.
He's just coping and seething, because in the future it's likely the stugna will be upgraded to grid Lazer system that will make any of his weak arguments obsolete.
I don't know why he thinks broadcasting radio makes him any less vulnerable either.
> They routinely aim for something else and shifting onto the target in the last second
Yikes that’s rough. What a dogshit guidance method. Cheap though
>TOW is used against people that have no thermals >it means it's huge target is not a problem! >Stugna is used against people that have no laser warnings >it's still a problem!
I just joined the thread. He's going to keep going. This is warriortards style of argument. Samegay and emotionshill about irrelevant "advantages" till people stop bothering to engage with him. >Inb4muhschizo
Yeah, heard it before.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>I just joined the thread >unintelligible mix of buzzwords
Ukraine had a rather large domestically industry, but I imagine they might adapt to NATO standard in terms of shells/ammunition. It's not a huge leap.
>warriortard just stop I've obliterated you
This delusion is getting sad now. All of this and he can’t overcome the fact that it’s a shitty beam rider without top attack function. >he will keep replying to this because I own him
Cope seethe dilate. He owns you.
I wish we had device IDs, at least IDs that would stop you from IP hopping so I could watch how often you samegay honestly, but just knowing it's you seething is enough for me.
>beam rider without top attack function
You keep repeating this as a moronic gotcha, when it's meaningless. The Stugna is still good enough today for almost all targets except a few advanced tanks that still have not even entered service. There's nothing in the russian inventory they can't kill, as we've seen many times since Feb 24. It will probaby get a top attack variant in the future, anyway.
>"Hey how is it going thread?" >97 posts >20 posters >*warriortard rolling around his own shit an squealing like a pig*
Yeah
Yeah. And the fact you have to man it, you don't have 200k readily available and you can't just toss it at the enemy is a drawback too.
In war, everything is a compromise. The Sugma-D is a relatively cheap, effective, easy to use platform. It's great for what it is, and if production could have been scaled up even further, it would have been one of the most cost-efficient ATGMs we have.
Holy shit he’s mad. Don’t worry I’m sure top attack stigmas are just around the corner
i never claimed to be pretending anything. i didn't say anything moronic or contort myself into a mental pretzel to claim that something can't be done and if it is done regularly then it must be bad anyway and it's just a conspiracy. that's all you, buddy.
OP, even the basic b***h 60mm mortar is a Wunderwaffe/Stealth missile, when compared to rußian tech
https://vpk.name/en/609567_polish-mines-came-as-a-surprise-to-us-lpr-nm-fighters-about-the-new-armament-of-the-armed-forces-of-ukraine.html
>Then the LPR NM fighters claimed that Soviet mines were accompanied by a characteristic sound when approaching, allowing experienced fighters to go into hiding. But the new ammunition used by the Armed Forces of Ukraine does not make noise, which does not give time to react to mortar fire.
>We are talking about the Polish LMP-2017 system produced at the Tran Mekhzavod. Fragmentation 60/61 mm O-LM60 ammunition for these light mortars, designed to destroy manpower, firing positions, tactical headquarters and unarmored equipment, is produced by the local company Dezamet S.A
>itt: people who have never touched a TOW
Its not the greatest but it's definitely not the worst.
It just werks, but there's a reason we have moved to javelins and hellfires for most platforms that need ATGMs
Oh look a fantastic example to back up what the anon said about the TOW lacking a thermal sight as standard. Picrel is the day and night sight that lacks Thermal.
So. When is the date you decide to have a nice day? No really, I've been hoping you'd get on with it within a reasonable timeframe but you've been disappointing the board.
His seething was indeed obvious as amusing: >The overly persistent posts accusing anons of being namegays like Armatard or Warriortard to derail threads that don’t fit globohomosexual narrative seems like one of the more obvious ones
Why do you bother trying to turn these things around. You do realise anyone that stays around for more than a week knows who you are and what you do at this point.
The ability to offset the control unit from the launcher is a nice feature, but it's because it's a frickhuge tandem HEAT warhead. They frick up armor. Simple as.
The lack of top attack munitions and the fact you have to point a laser at a tank for that long are huge drawbacks
Apparently they are not since they even take down helicopters with these things.
Yes they’re huge drawbacks. Russians don’t have MAWS or it wasn’t switched on but pointing a laser at anything modern is a big mistake
So it's not really a drawback for fighting the country that in currently invading them? And the supposed 2nd strongest military in the world at that.
if you watch a stugma video 90% of the time the laser is only directly pointed at the vic in the last second.
who said it was better than a TOW? it doesn't need to be. I've never heard of a man portable remote launch TOW so i don't understand the comparison anyway
> if you watch a stugma video 90% of the time the laser is only directly pointed at the vic in the last second.
Terrible way to train and misses must be common. Imagine telling your gunner to aim over the target and then slam down at the last second
> I've never heard of a man portable remote launch TOW so i don't understand the comparison anyway
*attatches cable to TOW just to watch you seethe*
>Terrible way to train and misses must be common. Imagine telling your gunner to aim over the target and then slam down at the last second
wah wah wah wah. it works.
>*attatches cable to TOW just to watch you seethe*
okay so the TOW equivalent of stugna exists in your sexual fantasies. why would that make me seethe?
It’s just not an important enough capability to warrant adding a cable. The TOW just works better as is
the point is they're just not comparable. it's like saying you should use a fitty cal instead of an m110
Static ATGMs aren’t comparable? Now that’s cope
compare away then but I don't think anyone is cross shopping them. well, stugna's solely domestic use now that war's on anyway. so really you should just be judging it on performance.
It *works* because the ukies obviously only publish videos of successful missile engagements. There are probably loads of times where the operator either just missed attempting a meme maneuver or the target unknowningly moved out of LOS while the missile was in flight.
>they do it even though it doesn't work because they don't like killing the enemy, and then they show you they times it does work to justify it
vs.
>they do it because it works
Mental gymnastics. The ukranians posting videos only post videos of their kills. This doesn’t not mean it doesn’t work. It means when they miss they don’t upload it.
>Mental gymnastics
no shit sherlock that's the joke, you just don't understand that you're the punchline
Vs current generation Russian armour this doesn't matter, it'll go right through the front.
Like the TOW2b, it can probably be retrofitted to have top attack munitions. Top attack isn't that hard to make honestly once you have the rest of the missile sorted.
Is it? Sure it isn't optimal, but I don't think it could count as a huge drawback, considering how effective it seems to be.
>He doesn't realise the lazer doesn't have to aim at the tank till the last second
He counts this as a flaw so basically no reason, the reality is the javelin also doesn't fly at the enemy tank till the last second either.
Beam riders are cheap as frick, and later versions of them are virtually unjammable from the front.
The difference is the javelin isn’t emoting a lazer. It’s a fire and forget missile that just crushes tanks. The stugna has to emit a laser and manually hold the laser over the tank and then swing down at the last second. Really inefficient
>point a laser at a tank for that long
Ha, I didn't realize it was a beam rider, that makes those KA kills even more embarrassing.
Yeah. And the fact you have to man it, you don't have 200k readily available and you can't just toss it at the enemy is a drawback too.
In war, everything is a compromise. The Sugma-D is a relatively cheap, effective, easy to use platform. It's great for what it is, and if production could have been scaled up even further, it would have been one of the most cost-efficient ATGMs we have.
Well you'd sure hope it would, considering that's exactly what it was designed to do.
>Russian armor consists entirely of shit designed in the 60s and earlier
it's not complicated
over 1000mm of RHA penetration through ERA is nothing to sneeze at
HEAT is going to frick up quartz-steel armor of Russian tanks any day.
Of its this thread again, where homosexual pretends like he wants to talk about stugna, but he actually just shilling for tow.
I’m sorry you can’t handle the fact that the stugna is a beam riding missile without top attack features. Is it really my fault that the TOW is better? What are you really mad at
nta, but what does it matter if TOW is better?
It doesn’t matter at all. it’s more of a dunk on the Russians
He's just warriortard, his goal is to create division. Don't mind him.
>Shitty rock
>Bash human skull
how
There’s more TOW videos from Syria than stugna from Ukraine. There’s also more javelin videos from Ukraine than stugna. It really is nice having better weapons than stugna like TOW and javelin
>people who didn't know what an ATGM was before April 2022 talking about ATGMs
Hovering isn’t flying. You’re impressed the stugna hit a non moving target. I guess you take what you can get
>OP is 2/3rds of the thread
Where do you see the IP breakdown by post? I can only see the figures at the bottom of the page
Watching the thread, posting style, observing since it was like 2 posts and knowing this particular moron. I'm not going to say where but I think he got attached to the idea of "TOW BAD/GOOD" in another thread and decided to make an entirely new thread about it.
Ahhhh ok I thought you had some kind of IP reader. Disregarded
Lmao, ok dude. This isn't /misc/, you can tell when someone's shilling here.
Attempt at spinning a narrative
Literally 3 separate people, one of them me homosexual. Frick off.
Clumsy attempt. JASSM really got you going
>absolutely incoherent bullshit
For anyone watching an extremely high post to ID ratio (right now we're sitting on 46/13 which is very suspect) and people making seemingly illiterate posts, or ones making in jokes of sorts, is a sign of a shill thread. These people make them now because they know the mods are asleep.
This is moronic. I’d rather be in a thread with a handful of military enthusiasts discussing a topic than a thread where 150 anons post one liners. Lurk moar
>military enthusiasts
This isn't one of those threads, it's a thread of people who don't know how fricking TOWs work.
Like, how is this the post of a "military enthusiast"
>He was cucked by the amount of kino stugna produced, but stugna isnt american, and tow hasnt produced any recent kino not mentioning it never produce the stugna tier quality kino ever through all its existance,
What is this rambling? A weapon isn’t measured in /k/ino but capability. It’s not my fault the stugna had to suffer so many design compromises in order to stay cheap
>noooo I don’t like small poster count to post threads
>let me just post this same sentiment for the 3rd time itt
shockingly unaware
Just warriortard being his usual self and making shitposting threads. He started posting about an hour and a half ago.
Don't mind him, warriortard just jumped on a tow thread just to samegayshill as per usual.
He's been going for roughly 2 hours.
What is this incoherent shit?
Because your autism has nothing to do with actual war you idiot tourist. Your question was moronic because you are moronic.
ERA tiles glued on cast iron isn't really an armor
>Be TOW
>Massive
>Heavy
>Exposed as frick while firing
>No standard Thermals
>Be Stunga
>Lighter
>Smaller
>Not exposed while firing
>Thermals standard
The beam riding trade off is well worth it. The TOW is a legacy platform that is "good enough" it can't compete with modern atgms like the Kornet or even the Stunga.
TOW is much better. More versatile, can be used for clearing bunkers and top attack hits on MBT. Better warheads and targeting system. More people use it.
>Hold up let me just add
>A different missile
>A thermal optic
Everything you said requires different parts and missiles, it doesn't compete.
Operator exposed. Heavy and cumbersome.
No Thermals standard. = worse than the Stunga
Why do you think the TOW doesn’t have thermals? Are you ok?
>The BGM-71 TOW ("Tube-launched, Optically tracked, Wire-guided", pronounced /ˈtoʊ/)[7] is an American anti-tank missile. TOW replaced much smaller missiles like the SS.10 and ENTAC, offering roughly twice the effective range, a more powerful warhead, and a greatly improved semi-automatic command to line of sight (SACLOS) that could also be equipped with infrared cameras for night time use.
>that could also be equipped with infrared cameras for night time use
Again, move along tourist I already told you it needs to have one added on, a la AN/TAS-4A add on package in Picrel.
How can one make threads but be so uninformed?
> that could also be equipped with infrared cameras for night time use
Hey thanks for proving TOW has IR capability. May I see the equipment that would allow stugna to equip top attack variants? How about a stugna add on that changes the guidance system to something more modern than beam riding kek
Wow all it took was the thermal post to revert warriortard to his double post coping mechanism. If you don't like being btfo'd all the time why don't you chose a different subject? Clearly responding twice is a sign of your desperation...
>Thanks for proving is has IR capability
Lmao solid goal post shift. The TOW standard is dogshit and requires a frick high sight and a vast range of missiles to come close to the BASE stunga which also keeps the operator safe.
Picrel, imagine wanting to use that frick huge POS looool
I’m not shifting goalposts you’re the one who made the claim tow didn’t have IR capability. I’m sorry you’re just finding out that old American missiles are better than new ukranian missiles. Must be rough
My original post
>No Thermals standard
You say "you’re the one who made the claim tow didn’t have IR capability"
Thanks again for the easy btfo you fat loser another few hours of your life wasted white knighting a weapon system that weighs less than you, despite being heavy as frick.
Thermals standard is only your idea of an own. It does not matter if the thermals come with the unit or you clip thermals on. They both have thermal capability. Now, as for the all important top attack feature, the stugna has no way to do it. Couple that with the inferior beam riding guidance system and here we are
Thanks for your concession, you were easily btfo'd.
No concession. TOW remains the superior platform
See
Re-read it slowly this time so you can reply without the autistic tick that btfo'd you originally.
>TOW COMES WITH THERMALS DUUURR
>a-aktuuualllyyyy it's thermal capable
>Aaaaaktually it doesn't matter if it doesn't come with Thermals
Your still fat wrong and moronic. Thanks for playing.
You’re hyper focused on how the TOW uses thermals. I’ll brake it down
>thermal capable
Stugna-yes
TOW-yes
>top attack
Stugna-no
TOW-yes
>passive guidance
Stugna-no
TOW-yes
>remote capable
Stugna-yea
TOW- No
Wait until you realize stugna is remote operated because they have to emit a laser beam at the target. TOW has completely passive guidance. I’m glad I was able to prove TOW is better, and I’m glad you won your argument about how the TOW uses thermals.
This is about the only bit of usefull comparison in the thread. Thanks
Let's get this straight. Your an iliterate Mongoloid troll that actually thinks he has a point this time kek.
>Hyper focused on TOWs lack or thermal as standard.
Yes because it doesn't come standard You fat idiot how can you not comprehend this? It's not a STANDARD feature meaning a frick ton of them LACK thermal ability which in 2023 is fricking archaic.
>Top attack
With a specific missile that isn't wide spread
>passive guidance
Only an issue for the TOW given how fricking huge it is. Stunga operator is hidden out of sight and doesn't have to pray somone isn't looking at him.
>Weight
TOW is a frick huge pos Stunga isn't
Imagine not having a standard Thermal sight in 2023, sounds like it's straight out of Russia tbh
He doesn't realise that his human body holding his TOW will be spotted by basically every modern thermal and he'd be dead pretty quick.
It's a serious flaw for the TOW, it's not future proof at all, and puts operators at significant risk.
"Muh Lazer can be spotted" is such a non issue when "muh soon to be corpse" can be spotted by high technology just as easily.
A laser being pointed at a tank is much more visible. That’s why no good modern atgms are beam riding.
It doesn’t come standard but if you want to fire your tow at night you’ll just slap on thermals. Really easy. The TOW is marginally heavier but it doesn’t matter for an en placed weapon. The stugna is much easier to see than the TOW because you have to emit a laser beam at the target. Imagine having to lase a target in 2023 with an e placed ATGM. That’s Russia tier, literally, the kornet uses the exact same beam riding guidance system. Talk about embarrasing.
Warriortard just stop I've obliterated you your just making things up now.
>you just slap one on
What if you don't have one because it doesn't come standard? Stunga doesn't have that problem.
This is the stupidest argument I've seen. Imagine saying *insert rifle here* is better than x because it can have a thermal scope...but it doesn't come with one. Idiotic.
>Marginally heavier
Made up, you haven't got a clue have you? >TOW 130 KG loaded (TOW 2B FCS Battery and missile has an extra 35KG)
>Stunga 65KG loaded
Your just rambling utter trash.
But wait it goes on...
>Easily spotted with laser
What will they see? A metal launcher with a rocket? OK cool it blows up, no one is injured move on. Meanwhile the frick huge TOWs crew is lit up like a Christmas tree on thermal and the operator has just been smoked by a guy with a .22LR. Imagine being this vulnerable.
>B-but the Kornet
Has an 8km range, twice that of the TOWS you dumb frick why would you bring that up it makes you look worse lmao
Picrel don't mind me I'm just stood here waiting to be fricked
>warriortard just stop I've obliterated you
This delusion is getting sad now. All of this and he can’t overcome the fact that it’s a shitty beam rider without top attack function.
>he will keep replying to this because I own him
>beam rider without top attack function
You keep repeating this as a moronic gotcha, when it's meaningless. The Stugna is still good enough today for almost all targets except a few advanced tanks that still have not even entered service. There's nothing in the russian inventory they can't kill, as we've seen many times since Feb 24. It will probaby get a top attack variant in the future, anyway.
It was better when you used to out yourself with dumb pictures or that time you were exposed as a poorgay with a shit job lol or when you got caught editing the Bradley wiki.
Warriortard your very ill person
Yea it’s much better. Plus it’s integrated heavily onto the Bradley which has amazing IR sights for it, and the user is under cover. I guess you could slap a stugna on the roof but why would you when you have the much better TOW
>another episode of "thing that everyone shits on turns out to not be shit"
Just another reminder that the M14 was the best battle rifle of the cold war.
Everyone doesn’t shit on the stugna. It’s a respectable indigenous design that works good enough. Of course it’s not as good as the American design but no one expected it to be. They just need it function against old tanks that Russia has not modern ones.
I think warriortard is so effective because he picks arguments he can’t lose. Like Bradley vs warrior, stugna vs TOW, storm shadow vs JASSM etc. I’m guessing it’s to make people look moronic for defending something like the stugna over the TOW because it has a cable attatched to it. The best bet is to ignore warriortard threads
Nah your a desperate loser with nothing better to do. Please post daily phone screen time incel
What's with the sperging out against beam riders? They work and the crew is protected from return fire by virtue of being somewhere else.
This war shows the need for any country facing a real threat to have tons of cheap but efficient technology. The Soviet idea before Russia went all to shit.
> What's with the sperging out against beam riders
Easily detectable
> crew is protected from return fire by virtue of being somewhere else.
That has nothing to do with beam riding
>Easily detectable
You know what's easily detectable? Human sized object standing next to TOW on thermal imagery of a tank
They routinely aim for something else and shifting onto the target in the last second.
Also if detected, I've yet to seen this translated into and a avoidance, soft or hard kill.
"I'm in 50 tons of steel with momentum" isn't really the platform to decisevly react to the fact of a tandem charge heat missile is going for you.
So yeah you might be right that it isn't the best system out there, but it gets the job done and for countries which realistically have to balls out fight, that's enough.
He's just coping and seething, because in the future it's likely the stugna will be upgraded to grid Lazer system that will make any of his weak arguments obsolete.
I don't know why he thinks broadcasting radio makes him any less vulnerable either.
>on the future it might not be as bad
kek top tier copeing mechanism
> They routinely aim for something else and shifting onto the target in the last second
Yikes that’s rough. What a dogshit guidance method. Cheap though
Stop samegayging with your usual rhetoric this is pathetic. You lost, get over it.
I accept this as your concession. No argument just buttblastedness
> I've yet to seen this translated into and an avoidance, soft or hard kill.
Surely you can show us a tow emplacement being blown up by a tank
Surely you can show us a stugna emplacement being detected and blown up by a tank.
>TOW is used against people that have no thermals
>it means it's huge target is not a problem!
>Stugna is used against people that have no laser warnings
>it's still a problem!
I just joined the thread. He's going to keep going. This is warriortards style of argument. Samegay and emotionshill about irrelevant "advantages" till people stop bothering to engage with him.
>Inb4muhschizo
Yeah, heard it before.
>I just joined the thread
>unintelligible mix of buzzwords
Does Ukraine have the potential to replace Russia as the #1 source of cheap Slavshit weapons or are they gonna make everything NATO-standard?
Ukraine had a rather large domestically industry, but I imagine they might adapt to NATO standard in terms of shells/ammunition. It's not a huge leap.
Cope seethe dilate. He owns you.
I wish we had device IDs, at least IDs that would stop you from IP hopping so I could watch how often you samegay honestly, but just knowing it's you seething is enough for me.
Holy shit he’s mad. Don’t worry I’m sure top attack stigmas are just around the corner
Why even bother trying. I have 4 posts in thread, one near the start.
You’re known to switch between phone and laptop.
you’re misunderstanding isn’t a joke no matter how many times you say you were only pretending to be moronic.
i never claimed to be pretending anything. i didn't say anything moronic or contort myself into a mental pretzel to claim that something can't be done and if it is done regularly then it must be bad anyway and it's just a conspiracy. that's all you, buddy.
Long term, posting like this ends up affecting your credibility. Is it really worth it tardlord.
>i do it, so everyone else must do it as well
Yeah
>"Hey how is it going thread?"
>97 posts
>20 posters
>*warriortard rolling around his own shit an squealing like a pig*
Yeah
OP, even the basic b***h 60mm mortar is a Wunderwaffe/Stealth missile, when compared to rußian tech
https://vpk.name/en/609567_polish-mines-came-as-a-surprise-to-us-lpr-nm-fighters-about-the-new-armament-of-the-armed-forces-of-ukraine.html
>Then the LPR NM fighters claimed that Soviet mines were accompanied by a characteristic sound when approaching, allowing experienced fighters to go into hiding. But the new ammunition used by the Armed Forces of Ukraine does not make noise, which does not give time to react to mortar fire.
>We are talking about the Polish LMP-2017 system produced at the Tran Mekhzavod. Fragmentation 60/61 mm O-LM60 ammunition for these light mortars, designed to destroy manpower, firing positions, tactical headquarters and unarmored equipment, is produced by the local company Dezamet S.A
>itt: people who have never touched a TOW
Its not the greatest but it's definitely not the worst.
It just werks, but there's a reason we have moved to javelins and hellfires for most platforms that need ATGMs
Oh look a fantastic example to back up what the anon said about the TOW lacking a thermal sight as standard. Picrel is the day and night sight that lacks Thermal.
Huh?
Nice night sight I have one too
Holy shit you thought that was a day sight only? Completely mindbroken by the TOW
kek BTFO by
no one said the TOW is shit. it's an aging pig beast but it's fine. the stugna is fairly basic but it's also fine.
So. When is the date you decide to have a nice day? No really, I've been hoping you'd get on with it within a reasonable timeframe but you've been disappointing the board.
It's gonna be funny as frick if he has a car accident alone and he's out fo a few weeks and the quality of the board improves by a noticeable margin.
>he actually made a new thread to complain that dissent is a psyop
lol, lmao
His seething was indeed obvious as amusing:
>The overly persistent posts accusing anons of being namegays like Armatard or Warriortard to derail threads that don’t fit globohomosexual narrative seems like one of the more obvious ones
Why do you bother trying to turn these things around. You do realise anyone that stays around for more than a week knows who you are and what you do at this point.
Wrong post?