The Thing is typically held as the best it seems and the other 2 get less love.
How do you feel about the 3 films? For me the thing is definetly the best, but I'd say prince of Darkness is almost as good and certainly unique.
In the mouth of madness is the weakest as I feel it starts to fall apart after Sam Neil reaches hobbes end.
It amazes me how poorly filmed it was in the mouth of madness compared to the thing. Haven't seen prince of darkness yet
Yeah I'm not sure why that is. In the mouth of madness really disappointed me. Carpenter may have lost his fire by then.
Prince of Darkness is better shot, and it was a movie carpenter did because he wanted no studio interference. It has a smaller budget but uses it well and has some pretty wild ideas. Definetly give it a watch. Donald Pleasance gives a pretty good performance
>In the mouth of madness really disappointed me. Carpenter may have lost his fire by then.
It felt like he stopped giving a shit about film in general halfway through the movie or something.
I remember Carpenter stated at one point that The Thing had an unprecedented production schedule in which him and his crew had a chance to plan things more elaborately; storyboard, script revisions, all that stuff, more than any of his other films. That could explain why it was shot so well, but i wouldn't discount the fact that Carpenter lost it after The Thing flopped, just like what other anon said.
Yes, I agree. Carpenter declared that his career would be different if the thing had been successful.I think so too, if the thing had been successful Carpenter would have to deal with the expectations of the critics and the public with each film.
It's probably for the best it didn't do well.
Carpenter would have hated dealing with studios trying to get him to sign on and then mess with his movies, and critics would have annoyed him
There is an insane level of detail in the thing though. The scene where windows drops the keys when he sees Bennings getting absorbed leads to the later scene where the blood serum is sabotaged
he said directing starman was his "penance" for the Thing bombing. seems pretty cynical about it
They cut the budget on in the mouth of madness, probably made Carpenter angry
>They had to shrink the budget from $15 million to $10 million, and one of the big cuts was a third-act sequence that saw the entire town be swallowed up into the book. Writer Michael De Luca instead came up with the idea of the "book paper illusion" that sees Sutter Cane (Jurgen Prochnow) rip himself like a page in a book.
>PrepHole hasn't watched the other two
I see I'll have to start some dubs meme like the thing has
I really like the story of In the Mouth of Madness but the direction doesn't do it justice. It's a good story badly filmed
It's a shame. The movie had something and then it's like it loses it half way through.
Prince of Darkness is too low rent.
It's about the end of the world but its mostly about people hitting each other with blocks of wood.
>Prince of Darkness is too low rent.
Anon, kino punched you in the face and you missed it
%3D%3D
bet you think Roland Emmerich movies are good
it's a bottle episode and a very effective psychological horror movie. you just like epic explosions
Thing is GOAT, Prince of Darkness is kinda cool considering everything, and In the Mouth of Madness is an embarrassment
All Carpenter is mid.
>All Carpenter is mid
Some of it, yes. But no, not all
The Thing is one of the best movies ever.
It’s a fricking slog.
its definitely top 3 horrors of all time
nah cuh apocalypse trilogy slaps
Dark Star is great, frick off
It takes a special kind of joyless person to genuinely dislike Dark Star.
>Pray for Death
I really liked the dream sequences of Prince of Darkness
I still wonder if the guy opened the mirror at the end
Prince of Darkness in general is really good. It's a shame the lead actor is abysmal, even for a horror movie. I think of Prince of Darkness as an example of how to more effectively accomplish what Event Horizon was going for. Like the idea that hell and the devil are real but that they're not paranormal but scientific and we hadn't discovered them yet. I just think that's a really cool, frightening concept and Prince of Darkness conveys that a lot better than Event Horizon.
The lead was fine. You just can't handle that much stache
I found Darkness okay but also found "The devil is real but it's actually a scientific thing, he's from anti matter universe and Jesus is some alien" kinda silly
That's fair but it's no sillier than the conventional explanation of Jesus and the Devil lol.
>down in the park where the madmen meet the machines play kill by numbers
>down in the park with a friend called five...
Am I autistic for hating the Thing because of how hopeless it felt. Once it was revealed that the Thing's FRICKING BLOOD was sentient and able to reproduce, all hope is lost and the rest of the movie just feels pointless. What's the point of watching a movie when death is guaranteed. There's no fricking winning when it can just keep reproducing over and over from a single fricking blood cell I guess
I get that to some extent. The film is pretty nihilistic. The ending absolutely is since Kurt Russell flat out says it doesn't matter if they live, they've gotta blow up the base and keep the thing from getting found.
If you want the "happy" version, give the 50s one a watch. The alien is not a shape shifter but the concept of it is still pretty intense while the ending is much less bleak.
That said, I like Carpenters version, it is a film I come back to time and again because of the level of detail
Honestly I'm even okay with bad endings where everyone dies, as long as they have a fricking shot.
But I didn't even know there was a 50s version, I might watch it for kicks
Fwiw Carpenter loved the 50s one
Just be prepared for the alien to look more like Frankenstein
I think carpenter stated in the movie commentary that it can't actually take anything over from a single cell, they just needed some kind of sequence to deminstrate how the thing assimilates.
That's what caused Blair to freak out and start break equipment and threatening people. But I like to think that it was just a theory and uncertain at that point and Blair overreacted. That it still needed to rip through your clothing or do something more obvious to assimilate someone and it needed far more mass as well, like at least a dog for a human. Otherwise, there really was no point for it to ever reveal itself by attacking anyone. It didn't need to attack the other dogs when it could have just slipped some cells into their food or licked them.
>Otherwise, there really was no point for it to ever reveal itself by attacking anyone. It didn't need to attack the other dogs when it could have just slipped some cells into their food or licked them.
Didn't think abou that
But then the fact that the people start eating out of cans means the thing can't infect their food so forced assimilation makes sense
>Blair
When did he become a thing? Was it before or after the scene where he has the rope tied up in a noose?
Not sure, but I do think it was Palmer that was assimilated first by the dog
I always thought it was Norris
The shadow on the wall when the dog goes into the room looks like him not palmer. Plus palmer is watching a show that night with childs but doesn't try to turn him
The main evidence is that it's Palmer's room/bed from the layout
I disagree with your image anon. Doesn't palmer wear the same vest thing from the beginning later? If he were turned first thing those clothes wouldve been shredded.
Maybe I'm misremembering his outfits but I'm pretty sure it's like a cut off green vest
Well, that's definitely his room and his bed, there's many shots you can see that all the details of extinguishers, cans, people coming out of rooms, where the dog looks into and where it goes, etc are correct. You see Palmer in the rec room in his vest, then a few scenes later the dog goes into the room with the shadow, and the next time you see Palmer is much later and he's wearing his jammies watching the show with Childs. Who knows why he didn't assimilate him, maybe they have a cool-down time.
>he's wearing his jammies
Yeah but then later during the scene where he outs himself as a thing isn't he wearing the vest again?
Here is the scene where the dog-thing is attacking the other dogs in the Kennel. Mac pulls the alarm and everyone comes out of their rooms, you can see Palmer came out of that room and Childs is in there too.
I'm not talking rooms now I'm talking clothes. Here's palmer before the dog shadow scene note the denim vest with the patch
Dog went into the room with someone alone in there, it was Palmer's room and his bed is on that side where the shadow was. Clothes are inconsequential compared to that. He could have been wearing literally anything while in his room.
Yeah but why would he go to his room to change his clothes during the day?
And clothes do matter anon. Kurt Russell explicitly mentions a shredded pair of long John's
That doesn't make sense
And again the shadow looks more like Norris than palmer
It's Norris, same exact sillouhette.
It's literally not Norris nor Palmer since it was stuntman Dick Warlock sitting there during the scene specifically so you couldn't base it on the silhouette. However, for the third time, it is Palmer's room and bed. Therefore, it is Palmer. And no, the clothes don't matter since you have no clue what he was wearing in there and he can change his clothes whenever he wants, that's not evidence. You have no evidence it was Norris, and Norris was also still wearing his same grey sweater with dark undershirt before and after.
Here's where he's outed.
Same denim vest. Not the best pic but you can see the patch
So palmer was taken later based on that as the thing still had the vest to wear.
I think palmer got changed later. When I don't know but it seems it was someone else that got taken
I like how The Thing managed to be a Lovecraftian story in Hollywood movie framework. Blair, like some of Lovecraft's characters went berserk by the hopelessness of it, while MacReady is the classic Hollywood protagonist who do whatever it takes to defeat it.
IM WATCHING THE THING ON TUBI RIGHT NOW
Years ago PrepHole used to stream The Thing whenever a thread about it is made. It's always nice seeing anons who never watched the film before ended up liking it when they tuned in.
I showed it to my film crazy gf and she thought it was boring. She loved Alien though and rightly declared it the best after watching all four films so she has SOME taste.
I did that earlier tonight. It's still good.
I'm starting to think tubing is better than every other app
In the Mouth of Madness is great. Don't understand people suddenly shitting on it ITT.
Tell me why you like it? I really liked it until they went to go find Kane. Then it went down hill
I feel the same way. When he arrives at the town of Kane, everything there feels wasted and something silly
The entire "things aren't going right in the world but we won't say/show exactly what, why or how" feeling is great. After going to the town has great stuff too. The initial car trip, the old lady monster. What's her name after being corrupted and contorting around. All the stuff trying to get back to civilisation. The reveal of the "In the Mouth of Madness" poster having Sam Neill's face on it which means in the earlier "alleyway" scenes where he peeks behind the torn poster he was looking directly at his own face is cool and adds to the weird uncertainty over the nature of reality in the movie.
Prince of Darkness has a novel premise and atmosphere carried hard by the soundtrack.
In The Mouth of Madness is one of the best Lovecraftian movies there is despite not being an adaptation.
Yeah I've never seen these perspectives on it before.
This is my ranking as well.
I really liked Prince of darkness, one of his best scores if you're into that, and overall very atmospheric. Decent performances and characters too.
You can't be talking about the main guy right? He was so bad. Rest of the cast was fine, especially the Asian professor.
Prince of Darkness is peak depressed Carpenter. The last priest who can guard the cylinder dies at the beginning, it's over before it even begins. And then people literally collapse into themselves. Actually I see the parallels to Thing now with the alien being inherently unbeatable and all the body gore.
Haven't seen Mouth of Madness yet.
My favorite Carpenter moment
How do you rank them?
For me it's Thing > Prince > Mouth
That's how I rank them as well.
The thing has the best effects, best cast, and is the most complete film
Prince is just so different from everything else because of the quantum physics
Mouth just flounders
Same ranking but it's a close race.
The Thing speaks for itself.
Prince of Darkness I found a bit of slog. Need a rewatch.
In the Mouth of Madness is great, don't get the hate at all, one of his best.
The Thing > Madness > Darkness
>In the Mouth of Madness is great, don't get the hate at all, one of his best.
Why do you like it? Help me to understand
Different anon but the tone and story are great.It loses it's way a little when they get to Hobb's End but the build up to that and the ending are great.
Did Thing-Norris fake the heart attack or did the Thing just mimic him so accurately that its heart actually gave out and it had to roll with it to keep up the disguise?
>just mimic him so accurately that its heart actually gave out
This what I always assumed and it was an unintended side effect
I watch them religiously during the lead-up to Halloween. I've watched them in every order I can think of. Prince of Darkness is my favorite next to Mouth then The Thing. I love how the fate of the world hinges on the actions of regular joes, especially the pornstache guy. Also that the rest of the world is going batshit as Satan slowly gets released. My only problem with it is the cute retarted chick with glasses just staring at the anti-matter fluid just to get sprayed on it. I get that Satan was probably calling to her but it could've been done better. Mouth is great in its entirety with Sam Neill's descent to madness and the eerie yet comfy atmosphere of Hobb's End as all small towns are. Shame that the eldritch beings at the end were just fast cuts because of how they were made and operated. I also felt that Sutter could've had more of a presence in the real world instead of just being a total pawn, maybe used whatever gift the eldritch beings gave him against them. The Thing speaks for itself, it's great but I just prefer the other two more
>just prefer the other two more
I get that
Their settings are less cut off
1 > 3 > 2
Prince of Darkness is JC's best movie, but The Thing is a close second and ITMOM is a masterpiece in its own right.
just watched Prince of Darkness and it really holds no candle to The Thing, first bit of the movie is shit and then its all really by the numbers basic possession type horror with bugs and spitting fluids and a lot of nothing really happening, i enjoyed it but it really struggles to hold the viewer
I somehow wish that Prince of Darkness was better. The concept is amazing but the scenarios just don't hit hard enough and the hokey science isn't good enough to hold the great ideas together.
All three are absolute kino, people get filtered by mouth of madness
I'll probably watch it again sometime
Was weirdly the comfyest of the 3
prince of darkness is really good, horribly underrated
>*makes himself a sandwich*
The Thing: God tier on all aspects
PoD: it's amazing how they made a 90 minute movie feel like 3 hours. Cool ideas but that pacing.
MoM: the directing and camera work doesn't hold up. Very crap movie.
The Thing > In the Mouth of Madness > Prince of Darkness
All are awesome. I've seen each of those movies so many fricking times and I still want to watch them. They're some of the best horror movies.
The creature in The Thing isn't evil.
I wouldn't say a single word to The Thing. I would listen to what it had to say. And that's what no one did.
If it was willing or able to have that sort of interaction, it would have initiated one itself. It's likely that it was literally incapable of communicating on its own behalf since there wouldn't be any room for its "true" personality in the fake brains of the creatures it imitates. The closest thing it likely has to a real personality or identity are the rudimentary instincts wired at the cellular level that we see in the blood test scene. I doubt it's even truly conscious in a way we would understand.
Would The Thing have just fricked off and froze again if he was allowed to escape and Bennings and they didn't burn his ass?
I don't care what any of you pleb homosexuals say, In the Mouth of Madness is a great movie and my favourite of Carpenter's.
Agreed. Perfect example of that distinctive 90s horror feel.
I agree. Prince of Darkness is super underrated. That movie absolutely terrified me when I first saw it as a kid.
Sam Neil is the glue that holds MoM together. Prince of Darkness is the polar opposite where it's male lead makes the movie subjectively worse.
>getting filtered by mouth of madness
Prince of Darkness is underrated. The overall tension of it is a good horror atmosphere and any story where someone accidentally unshackles Satan is kino.
>accidentally unshackles satan
thats barely what happens, they're all there doing research and then one woman stands close to the tube and it hoses her down making her satan's b***h, there was no point where any single character made a mistake other than just being in the wrong place
Sounds like accidentally unleashing the devil to me
in the mouth of madness felt a little too ambitious for carpenter
good flick nevertheless
All 3 are fantastic and some of my favorite movies.