this. unironically /misc/ is right about ~~*them*~~. there is a reason why Israel is using the Ar platform and not their own native designs. even their precious bebop gun is just stolen Czechnology.
Where did you ever get the idea that Israel is using an AR15?
They're using the Tavor. And have even repeatedly put out statements saying that they're using the Tavor and have no interest in adopting an AR15.
You might see some reservists carrying old ARs, but those are just guns the US dumped on the Israelis for free.
while the SAR looks better than the x95, it is objectively worse. the tavor in general is a pretty meh gun and not really worth it now that AUGs are down to 1600. The uzi pro is an overpriced antique and the semi-auto version is pontless outside of looks. the TS12 is a cool idea but its yet another cheapo semi-auto shotgun that will only reliably cycle full power rounds.
No stanag mags, Grip shape is not proper bullpup grip, lack of 3rd party parts so all AUGs look the same, no way to make it ambi, foregrip option is dildo shaped folding vertical grip and NOTHING ELSE. AUGs are hugely overrated and Steyr as a company hasnt innovated or improved the AUG in decades past "you can buy a stanag adapter now" when that should have been the fricking standard.
Cope because he spent Tavor money on a piece of shit because "muh Hollywood bad guy gun." Do you display it next to your Marvel Funko pops collection too?
What you wrote out are either non issues or minor problems, specifically: >No stanag mags,
That is a benefit, STANAG magazines are shit and only recently are they decent; still one of the biggest weaknesses of the AR15. >no way to make it ambi,
Ambi functionality is a meme and it is something that 99% of gun owners/operators never use
2 years ago
Anonymous
Lefty shooters get fricked I guess.
Ive never heard a single person say they had problems with their mags. Everyone uses PMAGs. Maybe old USGI mags were shit but theres no excuse to buy those when PMAGs are already so cheap and plentiful.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Lefty shooters get fricked I guess.
Yes. They are a scourge on this world. An ill omen. A sign from the great spirit that they are tainted.
Just look at Ian from InRangetv
2 years ago
Anonymous
Ironically, Ian liked the Tavor.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Ian from InRangetv
What has he done this time? Not said sieg heil and the 14 words?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Left-handed people aren't real. Fricking tired of making everything "ambi" for the memes.
They are pricey
If its mot full auto who the frick wants a heavy ass uzi?
Desert eagle is kinda cool as a range toy
Tavors are a pain to hike with and suck at fast mag changes
Gali ace some how jams alot in .223/556
Original gali is sexy
its very heavy but the galil is gonna be one of the better AKs you can buy currently since its not some jank parts kit slapped together or some overpriced preban.
/misc/ is politics not guns, /k/ is the guns board
What the frick?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Your mind after being melted by /misc/
2 years ago
Anonymous
dozens of countries use IWI guns
heres them in egypt
2 years ago
Anonymous
TEAM DEATH MATCH
2 years ago
Anonymous
yea they are inconsistent af
2 years ago
Anonymous
Fricking fill me up with your hot lead ladies.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Am I seeing SCAR 16s in this picture
2 years ago
Anonymous
cz brens in 7.62x39
>Egypt >Using israelite Guns
That is a fricking photo op. You can see Egyptian military running around with Maadis and sandals all over the Sinai border.
Can confirm that normal Egyptian military looks NOTHING like this and use AKs
these are speshul ops guys iirc
2 years ago
Anonymous
Can confirm that normal Egyptian military looks NOTHING like this and use AKs
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Egypt >Using israelite Guns
That is a fricking photo op. You can see Egyptian military running around with Maadis and sandals all over the Sinai border.
2 years ago
Anonymous
its not those are el sa'ka egyptian special foces troops
2 years ago
Anonymous
Is there any bigger tell of an incompetent third-world military than bright, colorful patches and medals on what is supposed to be a day-to-day uniform? >that and the telnyashkas kek
2 years ago
Anonymous
its not day to day uniform, its special ceremonial shit
2 years ago
Anonymous
Understandable, then. I take back my previous comment.
They're great. I have a Gen 1 ace in 5.45 and a Gen 2 in 7.62x39 and both are among the highest quality guns I own. Similar to a high end European manufacturer like FN/HK.
Downside is that they are pretty heavy for an intermediate caliber gun. Some people dislike the coke can handguard on the Gen 1 but I disagree, those had real character.
OG Galil is an ugly israelite clone of a Valmet
The Jericho is an uglier, heavier Cz.75 (but my Cowman Beeboops! Noo!)
The Deagle is American, so older ones that aren’t covered in rails are cool and based.
The Tavor seems interesting, if you have the classic MARS sight on it, and feels ok for a tall chad, but the controls are shit and the accuracy is shit.
The X95 is the Tavor but even worse in every conceivable way holy shit
The Tavor 7 seems neat for being one of the few modern .308 bullpups, but nobody I’ve ever spoken to has even SEEN one IRL.
The Ace is an embarrassing meme machine
IWI makes shit half-assed designes and their QC is basically SiG tier, right at the bottom end of acceptability. But what do you expect from israelites?
Heres my Tavor x95. Canacuck btw thats why its got a fake can on it. Swapping it out with a JComp89 soon. After removing the plastic ring and freefloating the barrel, the rifle is fantastic. My one and only complaint is the selector switch. How the frick did IWI have the 45 degree selector switch on the MTAR but they put a 90 degree on the x95. For what fricking reason would you put a 90 on the gun when you ALREADY HAVE 45s ON THE MTAR??
I babysat my friend's .41 magnum DE while he went away to school for a year. It wasn't 100% reliable, even with the heaviest loads I could find, but it was so much fun to plink with.
Yeah it’s hard to find .41 mag that’s spicy enough to run them, and they also require extremely specific oiling requirements and it requires re-oiling after a certain round count in the shooting session to keep them reliable, but if you figure all that out, they’re amazing guns.
I have 3 calibers worth of barrels and the .50AE is the most reliable due to the shear force it operates with, but next to that .357 mag is the most fun to shoot, since it’s entirely painless and just big booms with little recoil.
The trigger bars will get gritty at the back of the trigger ears and stop resetting correctly, I use Ballistol which is easy to apply but dries quickly, which is good since it gets easier to knockout all the copper flakes and spent gunpowder.
Was on the range with my ex's dad's childhood friend with his .50AE desert eagle. That was his second one, the first one broke and he sold it, that was years ago. He bought this new one and only had maybe 300 rounds through it. Of course the fricking recoil baseplate broke after the first mag out that day. "Frick this, I'm not buying a third" were his words.
their manufacturing/machine is the best I've seen in a factory firearm -- bar none.
The only other companies I've seen with that level of quality have been LMT and Radian.
theyre getting some competition in israel these days, IDF recently approved using emtan rifles and gilboa guns are getting contracts.
i think emtan were even considered for the new greek army rifle.
same anon here, didn't even mean to make a israelite joke here but yeah, IWI guns usually cost too much while not offering that much over something else. Can't say much about their handguns though, maybe they're great, maybe they're mediocre.
Their Tavor is average cost for a bullpup. The steel frame Jericho is about the same price as other similar pistols. The Masada is cheaper than a lot of its competitors and the same quality.
Anyone combining about the x95 trigger is just a tyranny homosexual that thinks every gun needs a match trigger to work.
I own aks and I hate Israel but the ace is unironically a superior choice. Better ergos, features for an ak of the same price range. Distinctly remember shooting a pistol 7.62 ace with a birdcage and it had less recoil than my 107fr
>OG Galil
Valmet clone >Jericho
Cz.75 clone made famous by weebs >Deagle
memegun extraordinaire, shot the .44 version which is fun af >Tavor
for its faults, it is probably the first bullpup to have seen widespread adoption across different nations' armed forces. ARcucks still seething >X95
fully ambidextrous Tavor with improved mag release and more Picattiny rails >Tavor 7
only (considering DT quality is a joke) modern .308 bullpup, more accurate than an M1A and slightly less accurate than an AR10. >Galil Ace
gunsoomer bait
>based on the AR18 design from the 60's
That rules out virtually every modern gun from being modern. Virtually every Western service rifle is just a rearranged AR-18. Even the new XM5 boils down to an AR-18. And the original Tavor was designed in 1995. And before anything about how the new one is modernized since then, so is the K&M over the original Bushmaster.
Tavor is a 5 MOA rifle unless you're shooting good ammo and then it's more like 2-3 MOA, which is acceptable accuracy, but expensive and confusing for a rifle which entered service in the early 2000s.
The Galil/Galil ACE isn't entirely trust worthy on holding zero when you remove the top cover. Its good enough for combat, but if you regularly clean your rifle, you aren't going to be printing the same groups on the range every trip. This is especially relevant for the .308 models. Where that accuracy is quite important to many usecases of a rifle caliber firearm.
They do make ones with extended AK style handguard rails for optics, but those aren't available to consumers yet and will probably be horrendously expensive when they are.
I solidly prefer shooting my Jericho over any other handgun I have shot. It's made me want to collect the lineage, from Hi Power to CZ-75 to Tanfoglio to see how different engineers interpreted the improvement of the Hi Power.
A plastic AK receiver... They just make worse versions of the gun they're copying. The original Galil was an inferior copy to the Valmet, the Galil Ace is an inferior copy to the AK12, the Tavor is an inferior copy to the AUG and other modern bullpups. It's the worst modern bullpup of them all, the heaviest, most plastic ridden, and least accurate. They only copy designs and manage to make then far worse than the original.
There's nothing wrong with using polymer in the lower. The AK being stamped or milled were just products of the manufacturing techniques of its time. Stamping being the best way to make mass produced firearms in the time before polymer injection moulding. And milling being a somewhat cheaper in set up, but higher in unit cost older method of manufacturing.
The Galil ACE is better than the AK12. They have similar flaws in relatively poor zero holding after disassembly as the guns get worn, but the Galil has better furniture and a better charging handle and dust cover system.
I've read /k/'s opinion on these guns for years, and the consensus is that they suck. Mind, that could just be coping and shilling. /misc/ is never far in PrepHole.
One thing though. Why would a country with a high-tech MIC put out crappy guns for use by their own army?
the tavor isn't crappy, its just not the best. it came out when EVERYONE was trying making a next-gen assault rifle for their troops and it basically became a contest of who could make the most futuristic gun.
People b***h about IWI because they're israelites.
Even if their guns are well known for being high quality and effective and proven in combat morons are still going to b***h about them being "israelite trash".
Why would I want the memeist of meme guns? If I wanted to shoot .357 or .44, there are revolvers. .50 AE is fun until you have to buy another box of ammo.
Other than that the Galil and Tavor have long histories of use and are proven combat arms.
They're both fairly close or are best in slot for their branches of firearms, AK-alikes or bullpup combat rifles.
IWI might be pricey, but they're also hard to beat in quality when it comes to non-AR15s.
I'm not saying they're necessarily bad guns. They might be great guns. If you like them, go for it. I'm very happy with the guns I have, none of which required me to put money in the hands of a filthy israelite.
Arguably the biggest advantage an AK has over all other rifles is its cheap cost to mass produce.
The galil ace is just an inferior AK in that regard.
I would rather have a piston ar OR a cheap AK and some extra cash than a galil.
Lot of people talk shit about them while ever owning one. I like mine, I’m a landchad so I actually get to shoot mine. Very accurate, more accurate than my AR…the problems are it is heavy and over gassed but I only had 1 eject/feed issue out of like 1000 plus rounds. They do suck to clean as well
>uzi
copy of a Czech sub machine gun >galil
copy of the ak/valmet >deagle
made in the US, they just bought the design >jericho
copy of a cz pistol >tavor
an actually unique design but doesn't do anything better than bullpups that were made in the 70s >galil ace
took a regular galil and slapped tapco tier ar15 bullshit onto it
They aren't a fantastic small arms company but they're exceptionally good at selling their bullshit to people because they are, after all, filthy hand rubbing merchants.
so far so good. biggest complaint is that from the factory they didn't include an adjustable gas piston which this gun absolutely needs full stop. I closed the KNS piston down about 7 clicks from open and now it cycles just like butter. It shoots better without the suppressor mounted. I am still learning the gun but I got down to 1.5" 5 shot group so far with hand loads. this mother fricker is heavy does anyone make an aftermarket rail to lighten the front end, is that a thing?
Z111 is Vietnamese state owned facility. The Z1 facility was funded and shared tech from IWI. Produces Jericho, UZI, Ace, Negev, Galatz components but not complete firearms for IWI.
Probably some admin decision because Vietnamese have a surplus of Chinese & Russian weapons in storage. If they ever need to break out the cosmo AK's would be similar controls. Have no evidence to support the claim, just guessing
It's likely just a cost-saving measure, but being able to slam down on the frickers when they freeze in the mountainous regions is pretty advantageous.
>In 2014, the People's Army of Vietnam adopted the IWI Galil ACE 31/32 as the standard issue rifle. This included a license to manufacture them locally at the Z111 Factory. The factory immediately began modifying the IWI Galil ACE to better suit the local terrain and climate, while also implementing more Kalashnikov parts. This was done to improve familiarity and smoothen the transition from older AK-47 and AKM assault rifles, which were used by Vietnamese soldiers.
vietnam do have galils and tavors in service. seems to be a mixture of galil 32 and locally made stv-380.
>The Israel Weapon Industries (IWI) will begin to produce Galil assault rifles for the Vietnam People's Army (VPA), according to a report by state-run news agencies in Hanoi and by janes website. The production facility was under construction since 2011, at a built cost of more than $100 million.
The production unit will supply an unspecified number of the ACE assault rifles to "gradually replace" the AK-47s currently used by the VPA. The rifles are being manufactured at Factory Z111, which is based in the northern Thanh Hoa province and owned by the Ministry of Defence. This indicates the production of the rifles is a collaboration between IWI and the VPA.
so just in south america its made in colombia (Indumil), chile (FAMAE) and peru? everyone and their mother is opening a galil factory it seems.
also IIRC chilean marines and brazilian swat adopted the IWI arad (iwi version of 416?)
>This story has been doing the rounds of the tabloids over the last couple of days. The Daily Star claims that a British SAS sniper took out an ISIS commander while he was teaching of Jihadis how to decapitate prisoners. >According to the Star, the sniper used a special 'wounding bullet' that 'tumbles' when it hits the target. The effect of this round hitting the ISIS terrorist's head was to, in the words of Dirty Harry, 'blow it clean off.' The poetic justice of an ISIS executioner known to behead his victims losing his own head is clear.
>The SAS sniper was reportedly positioned some 1,200 meters away from the target, having infiltrated deep into ISIS territory. MI5 operatives had pinpointed the location of the ISIS training camp. >The camp's proximity to a school meant that an airstrike would risk collateral casualties so the SAS were called in to take out the ISIS commanders. The Star reports that 2 4-man SAS teams went in, with a further group laying back as a quick reaction force in case anything went wrong.
>The sniper teams lay in wait for over 12 hours until their target appeared in the camp grounds. As the ISIS leader performed his gruesome lesson, one of the SAS snipers took him out. The students in the ISIS class proceeded to panic and flee for cover. The SAS team quietly infiltrated out of the area.
>the SAS sniper used a DAN .338 rifle one fitted with a sound suppressor / flash hider. In a 2014 story, the paper reported that both the SAS and SBS were considering adoption of this Israeli-made sniper rifle.
I have the tavor 7.
I wanted it for the 20" barrel and the compact size. It's heavy, but the weight is balanced and if i was a little b***h about it i'd be shopping for .22s instead.
I'm not intending to do any kind of sharp shooting with this gun, I just wanted to maximize 308 for armor penetrating purposes and rib cracking. I do enjoy shooting it, but in honesty its for people I dislike, not much else to it. Yes I'm aware there are level 4 armor plates that will stop it, that is what AP 30-06 and larger is for, but what I do know is most people arent wearing level 4 plates, most people aren't even wearing 3+, many people think they are dealing with at worse at 556 and pistol calibers.
Will I ever shoot a person with it? I hope not, but I'm sure as hell prepared to and thats the gun I intend to use. I just wish there was more 3rd party support for it like the previous tavors.
the Galil was a reverse engineered AK right? is it better in every way? I want a IWI Galil and I can afford one but I want to justify it to myself before I fork out the cash
Gucci prices for mediocre products.
Nothing IWI makes is necessarily bad, but none of it really offers anything that other guns won't do better for half the price.
My negative is that I wish they sold one with a wood furniture set, top picatinny rail, and aluminum lower/magwell. Sort of an old meets new hybrid that dumped the goofy aesthetics of the ACE.
>What negative things can you say about their products?
The Jericho 941 now has traditional rifling, nitride barrel (vs polygonal stainless), two piece slide system, and steel frames cast in Vietnam. New purchased pistols and magazines reported for having FTE/FTF issues requiring warranty work. Could be Panda Mambo or they just don't give a shit anymore about a niche market pistol
>Insert /misc/ tier usual response here
shut up, israelite man.
Tch. Pathetic.
Overpriced trash, with most manufacturing outsourced to garbage-tier plants
this. unironically /misc/ is right about ~~*them*~~. there is a reason why Israel is using the Ar platform and not their own native designs. even their precious bebop gun is just stolen Czechnology.
Where did you ever get the idea that Israel is using an AR15?
They're using the Tavor. And have even repeatedly put out statements saying that they're using the Tavor and have no interest in adopting an AR15.
You might see some reservists carrying old ARs, but those are just guns the US dumped on the Israelis for free.
>t. least moronic /misc/lack
thefirearmblog com/blog/2021/09/08/idf-not-replacing-tavor/
>even their precious bebop gun is just stolen Czechnology.
You mean it’s product improved so it doesn’t break 3 different things if you dry fire it.
They’re shit, find one person IRL who kept their Galil Ace
The Ace is just there as a OP pic. I'm talking about all IWI firearms.
while the SAR looks better than the x95, it is objectively worse. the tavor in general is a pretty meh gun and not really worth it now that AUGs are down to 1600. The uzi pro is an overpriced antique and the semi-auto version is pontless outside of looks. the TS12 is a cool idea but its yet another cheapo semi-auto shotgun that will only reliably cycle full power rounds.
How on earth is the Aug superior to the x95 in any way. The moment you suggest an Aug over any other bullpup youve instantly lost all credibility.
Where the frick are you finding AUGs for $1600??
How is the Tavor superior to the AUG?
No stanag mags, Grip shape is not proper bullpup grip, lack of 3rd party parts so all AUGs look the same, no way to make it ambi, foregrip option is dildo shaped folding vertical grip and NOTHING ELSE. AUGs are hugely overrated and Steyr as a company hasnt innovated or improved the AUG in decades past "you can buy a stanag adapter now" when that should have been the fricking standard.
Wow. Literally everything you said was wrong.
How can one person be this moronic?
Cope because he spent Tavor money on a piece of shit because "muh Hollywood bad guy gun." Do you display it next to your Marvel Funko pops collection too?
What you wrote out are either non issues or minor problems, specifically:
>No stanag mags,
That is a benefit, STANAG magazines are shit and only recently are they decent; still one of the biggest weaknesses of the AR15.
>no way to make it ambi,
Ambi functionality is a meme and it is something that 99% of gun owners/operators never use
Lefty shooters get fricked I guess.
Ive never heard a single person say they had problems with their mags. Everyone uses PMAGs. Maybe old USGI mags were shit but theres no excuse to buy those when PMAGs are already so cheap and plentiful.
>Lefty shooters get fricked I guess.
Yes. They are a scourge on this world. An ill omen. A sign from the great spirit that they are tainted.
Just look at Ian from InRangetv
Ironically, Ian liked the Tavor.
>Ian from InRangetv
What has he done this time? Not said sieg heil and the 14 words?
Left-handed people aren't real. Fricking tired of making everything "ambi" for the memes.
Wow you're painfully wrong
>Where the frick are you finding AUGs for $1600??
battlehawk has then for 1630
I fricking love mine.
They are pricey
If its mot full auto who the frick wants a heavy ass uzi?
Desert eagle is kinda cool as a range toy
Tavors are a pain to hike with and suck at fast mag changes
Gali ace some how jams alot in .223/556
Original gali is sexy
And yeah
Maybe too much polymer vs steel? But I'm a big fan of their ammo, my Jericho, and Zion. Als thinking naughty thoughts about a Galil Ace 2....
its very heavy but the galil is gonna be one of the better AKs you can buy currently since its not some jank parts kit slapped together or some overpriced preban.
IWI isnt /misc/ dumbass theyre a gun manufacturer
and they make good guns, literally used by dozens of armies worldwide over decades
>t. can't read
/misc/ is politics not guns, /k/ is the guns board
>Aside from the /misc/tier usual responses
see -->
im just saying /k/ isnt politics
make this thread on /misc/ and janny will probably delete it
What the frick?
Your mind after being melted by /misc/
dozens of countries use IWI guns
heres them in egypt
TEAM DEATH MATCH
yea they are inconsistent af
Fricking fill me up with your hot lead ladies.
Am I seeing SCAR 16s in this picture
cz brens in 7.62x39
these are speshul ops guys iirc
Can confirm that normal Egyptian military looks NOTHING like this and use AKs
>Egypt
>Using israelite Guns
That is a fricking photo op. You can see Egyptian military running around with Maadis and sandals all over the Sinai border.
its not those are el sa'ka egyptian special foces troops
Is there any bigger tell of an incompetent third-world military than bright, colorful patches and medals on what is supposed to be a day-to-day uniform?
>that and the telnyashkas kek
its not day to day uniform, its special ceremonial shit
Understandable, then. I take back my previous comment.
>those jawlines
Mongols are truly supreme chads
yea
they are galilchads too
Gever, kapara aleha, tilmad yoter tov et ha tarbut shel hamakom lifney sheata mevih otanu shuv. Yazata newbie beramot.
MAC? That you?
Overpriced polymer garbage trying to imitate HK and failing miserably.
also israelites
They're great. I have a Gen 1 ace in 5.45 and a Gen 2 in 7.62x39 and both are among the highest quality guns I own. Similar to a high end European manufacturer like FN/HK.
Downside is that they are pretty heavy for an intermediate caliber gun. Some people dislike the coke can handguard on the Gen 1 but I disagree, those had real character.
OG Galil is an ugly israelite clone of a Valmet
The Jericho is an uglier, heavier Cz.75 (but my Cowman Beeboops! Noo!)
The Deagle is American, so older ones that aren’t covered in rails are cool and based.
The Tavor seems interesting, if you have the classic MARS sight on it, and feels ok for a tall chad, but the controls are shit and the accuracy is shit.
The X95 is the Tavor but even worse in every conceivable way holy shit
The Tavor 7 seems neat for being one of the few modern .308 bullpups, but nobody I’ve ever spoken to has even SEEN one IRL.
The Ace is an embarrassing meme machine
IWI makes shit half-assed designes and their QC is basically SiG tier, right at the bottom end of acceptability. But what do you expect from israelites?
Heres my Tavor x95. Canacuck btw thats why its got a fake can on it. Swapping it out with a JComp89 soon. After removing the plastic ring and freefloating the barrel, the rifle is fantastic. My one and only complaint is the selector switch. How the frick did IWI have the 45 degree selector switch on the MTAR but they put a 90 degree on the x95. For what fricking reason would you put a 90 on the gun when you ALREADY HAVE 45s ON THE MTAR??
I enjoy my Desert Eagle, no other gun can put a smile on my face like it can.
I babysat my friend's .41 magnum DE while he went away to school for a year. It wasn't 100% reliable, even with the heaviest loads I could find, but it was so much fun to plink with.
Captcha: WARHD
Yeah it’s hard to find .41 mag that’s spicy enough to run them, and they also require extremely specific oiling requirements and it requires re-oiling after a certain round count in the shooting session to keep them reliable, but if you figure all that out, they’re amazing guns.
I have 3 calibers worth of barrels and the .50AE is the most reliable due to the shear force it operates with, but next to that .357 mag is the most fun to shoot, since it’s entirely painless and just big booms with little recoil.
>specific oiling requirements
That's interesting. I was unaware of that.
The trigger bars will get gritty at the back of the trigger ears and stop resetting correctly, I use Ballistol which is easy to apply but dries quickly, which is good since it gets easier to knockout all the copper flakes and spent gunpowder.
Was on the range with my ex's dad's childhood friend with his .50AE desert eagle. That was his second one, the first one broke and he sold it, that was years ago. He bought this new one and only had maybe 300 rounds through it. Of course the fricking recoil baseplate broke after the first mag out that day. "Frick this, I'm not buying a third" were his words.
their manufacturing/machine is the best I've seen in a factory firearm -- bar none.
The only other companies I've seen with that level of quality have been LMT and Radian.
theyre getting some competition in israel these days, IDF recently approved using emtan rifles and gilboa guns are getting contracts.
i think emtan were even considered for the new greek army rifle.
cost too much
same anon here, didn't even mean to make a israelite joke here but yeah, IWI guns usually cost too much while not offering that much over something else. Can't say much about their handguns though, maybe they're great, maybe they're mediocre.
Their Tavor is average cost for a bullpup. The steel frame Jericho is about the same price as other similar pistols. The Masada is cheaper than a lot of its competitors and the same quality.
Anyone combining about the x95 trigger is just a tyranny homosexual that thinks every gun needs a match trigger to work.
I own aks and I hate Israel but the ace is unironically a superior choice. Better ergos, features for an ak of the same price range. Distinctly remember shooting a pistol 7.62 ace with a birdcage and it had less recoil than my 107fr
An ACE is good simply because you aren't relying on Boris to drink just enough that he's able to actually screw the barrel on straight this time.
NGSW should have been a galil in 6.8 instead of ron cohen's sig spear
>OG Galil
Valmet clone
>Jericho
Cz.75 clone made famous by weebs
>Deagle
memegun extraordinaire, shot the .44 version which is fun af
>Tavor
for its faults, it is probably the first bullpup to have seen widespread adoption across different nations' armed forces. ARcucks still seething
>X95
fully ambidextrous Tavor with improved mag release and more Picattiny rails
>Tavor 7
only (considering DT quality is a joke) modern .308 bullpup, more accurate than an M1A and slightly less accurate than an AR10.
>Galil Ace
gunsoomer bait
>only (considering DT quality is a joke) modern .308 bullpup
What about the K&M?
>M17 initially designed in the 80's, based on the AR18 design from the 60's
>"modern"
>based on the AR18 design from the 60's
That rules out virtually every modern gun from being modern. Virtually every Western service rifle is just a rearranged AR-18. Even the new XM5 boils down to an AR-18. And the original Tavor was designed in 1995. And before anything about how the new one is modernized since then, so is the K&M over the original Bushmaster.
They ruined it was an ugly as frick extrusion..
moroccan DGSN using these since 2018
i want one
Too bulky. Its a sci-fi movie gun.
>another fish gun
how the frick are you gonna buy a gun from a country that doesn't exist, moron?
I followed my Judeo-Christian values to the Holy Land.
>Isn'trael
Tavor is a 5 MOA rifle unless you're shooting good ammo and then it's more like 2-3 MOA, which is acceptable accuracy, but expensive and confusing for a rifle which entered service in the early 2000s.
Kind of pointless for most their products but the Galil Ace is probably the best off the shelf AK out there.
The Galil/Galil ACE isn't entirely trust worthy on holding zero when you remove the top cover. Its good enough for combat, but if you regularly clean your rifle, you aren't going to be printing the same groups on the range every trip. This is especially relevant for the .308 models. Where that accuracy is quite important to many usecases of a rifle caliber firearm.
They do make ones with extended AK style handguard rails for optics, but those aren't available to consumers yet and will probably be horrendously expensive when they are.
jews give me something to hate which is nice
the main problem is that for canucks its either IWI or Norincos for any modern semi-auto rifles at this point. Castro jr banned everything else
I solidly prefer shooting my Jericho over any other handgun I have shot. It's made me want to collect the lineage, from Hi Power to CZ-75 to Tanfoglio to see how different engineers interpreted the improvement of the Hi Power.
They are dirty israelites
A plastic AK receiver... They just make worse versions of the gun they're copying. The original Galil was an inferior copy to the Valmet, the Galil Ace is an inferior copy to the AK12, the Tavor is an inferior copy to the AUG and other modern bullpups. It's the worst modern bullpup of them all, the heaviest, most plastic ridden, and least accurate. They only copy designs and manage to make then far worse than the original.
>The original Galil was an inferior copy to the Valmet, the Galil Ace is an inferior copy to the AK12
opinions fueled exclusively by feelings
how so?
why would one have feelings about a gun company
There's nothing wrong with using polymer in the lower. The AK being stamped or milled were just products of the manufacturing techniques of its time. Stamping being the best way to make mass produced firearms in the time before polymer injection moulding. And milling being a somewhat cheaper in set up, but higher in unit cost older method of manufacturing.
The Galil ACE is better than the AK12. They have similar flaws in relatively poor zero holding after disassembly as the guns get worn, but the Galil has better furniture and a better charging handle and dust cover system.
I like my Jericho. It feels good and looks cool.
I like the double recoil spring set up that they use on their rifles.
Jericho is nice, sadly don't have experience with others.
I've read /k/'s opinion on these guns for years, and the consensus is that they suck. Mind, that could just be coping and shilling. /misc/ is never far in PrepHole.
One thing though. Why would a country with a high-tech MIC put out crappy guns for use by their own army?
>put out crappy gun
the tavor isn't crappy, its just not the best. it came out when EVERYONE was trying making a next-gen assault rifle for their troops and it basically became a contest of who could make the most futuristic gun.
People b***h about IWI because they're israelites.
Even if their guns are well known for being high quality and effective and proven in combat morons are still going to b***h about them being "israelite trash".
The thing is that we have tons of great choices in firearms. We're not losing anything by choosing not to buy these guns.
Find me a company that makes a Desert Eagle-alike that can do all the caliber conversion stuff that the Eagle can, I’ll wait.
Why would I want the memeist of meme guns? If I wanted to shoot .357 or .44, there are revolvers. .50 AE is fun until you have to buy another box of ammo.
Idk maybe you’re moronic and don’t see the utility I do in the only semiauto pistol that can do what the Desert Eagle does.
Other than that the Galil and Tavor have long histories of use and are proven combat arms.
They're both fairly close or are best in slot for their branches of firearms, AK-alikes or bullpup combat rifles.
IWI might be pricey, but they're also hard to beat in quality when it comes to non-AR15s.
I'm not saying they're necessarily bad guns. They might be great guns. If you like them, go for it. I'm very happy with the guns I have, none of which required me to put money in the hands of a filthy israelite.
Never shot an iwi gun but the Galil ace gen 2 in 5.45 is going to be my first gun purchase
Arguably the biggest advantage an AK has over all other rifles is its cheap cost to mass produce.
The galil ace is just an inferior AK in that regard.
I would rather have a piston ar OR a cheap AK and some extra cash than a galil.
Lot of people talk shit about them while ever owning one. I like mine, I’m a landchad so I actually get to shoot mine. Very accurate, more accurate than my AR…the problems are it is heavy and over gassed but I only had 1 eject/feed issue out of like 1000 plus rounds. They do suck to clean as well
Very expensive for a modernized AK
>uzi
copy of a Czech sub machine gun
>galil
copy of the ak/valmet
>deagle
made in the US, they just bought the design
>jericho
copy of a cz pistol
>tavor
an actually unique design but doesn't do anything better than bullpups that were made in the 70s
>galil ace
took a regular galil and slapped tapco tier ar15 bullshit onto it
They aren't a fantastic small arms company but they're exceptionally good at selling their bullshit to people because they are, after all, filthy hand rubbing merchants.
imagine wanting to give money to these people.
I buy IWI guns used from private parties. Frick israelites. I like the irony of having their guns but giving them no money.
They might be perfectly decent weapons, but I will never know because I don't buy israelite shit.
so far so good. biggest complaint is that from the factory they didn't include an adjustable gas piston which this gun absolutely needs full stop. I closed the KNS piston down about 7 clicks from open and now it cycles just like butter. It shoots better without the suppressor mounted. I am still learning the gun but I got down to 1.5" 5 shot group so far with hand loads. this mother fricker is heavy does anyone make an aftermarket rail to lighten the front end, is that a thing?
Any problems with wandering zeros like some people have mentioned in this thread?
it's such a pain in the ass to take apart I tuned the gas system I'm just not going to take it apart for like a year
i want one
very israeli
Designed with women in mind. Gross.
>Aside from the /misc/tier usual responses
>Z111 has entered the chat
Z111 is Vietnamese state owned facility. The Z1 facility was funded and shared tech from IWI. Produces Jericho, UZI, Ace, Negev, Galatz components but not complete firearms for IWI.
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2020/10/20/vietnamese-firearms-manufacturing/amp/
Receivers/frames, bolts, can't find complete list for each firearm what is manufactured abroad vs domestic.
>kept the AK safety lever
why?
You can retrain even moronic conscripts to use a new safety.
Probably some admin decision because Vietnamese have a surplus of Chinese & Russian weapons in storage. If they ever need to break out the cosmo AK's would be similar controls. Have no evidence to support the claim, just guessing
It's likely just a cost-saving measure, but being able to slam down on the frickers when they freeze in the mountainous regions is pretty advantageous.
>In 2014, the People's Army of Vietnam adopted the IWI Galil ACE 31/32 as the standard issue rifle. This included a license to manufacture them locally at the Z111 Factory. The factory immediately began modifying the IWI Galil ACE to better suit the local terrain and climate, while also implementing more Kalashnikov parts. This was done to improve familiarity and smoothen the transition from older AK-47 and AKM assault rifles, which were used by Vietnamese soldiers.
vietnam do have galils and tavors in service. seems to be a mixture of galil 32 and locally made stv-380.
>The Israel Weapon Industries (IWI) will begin to produce Galil assault rifles for the Vietnam People's Army (VPA), according to a report by state-run news agencies in Hanoi and by janes website. The production facility was under construction since 2011, at a built cost of more than $100 million.
The production unit will supply an unspecified number of the ACE assault rifles to "gradually replace" the AK-47s currently used by the VPA. The rifles are being manufactured at Factory Z111, which is based in the northern Thanh Hoa province and owned by the Ministry of Defence. This indicates the production of the rifles is a collaboration between IWI and the VPA.
Source: https://www.israeldefense.co.il/en/content/production-galil-rifles-vietnam-has-begun
i think there's a similar deal in colombia
And Peru
so just in south america its made in colombia (Indumil), chile (FAMAE) and peru? everyone and their mother is opening a galil factory it seems.
also IIRC chilean marines and brazilian swat adopted the IWI arad (iwi version of 416?)
indian zittara rifle
>This story has been doing the rounds of the tabloids over the last couple of days. The Daily Star claims that a British SAS sniper took out an ISIS commander while he was teaching of Jihadis how to decapitate prisoners.
>According to the Star, the sniper used a special 'wounding bullet' that 'tumbles' when it hits the target. The effect of this round hitting the ISIS terrorist's head was to, in the words of Dirty Harry, 'blow it clean off.' The poetic justice of an ISIS executioner known to behead his victims losing his own head is clear.
>The SAS sniper was reportedly positioned some 1,200 meters away from the target, having infiltrated deep into ISIS territory. MI5 operatives had pinpointed the location of the ISIS training camp.
>The camp's proximity to a school meant that an airstrike would risk collateral casualties so the SAS were called in to take out the ISIS commanders. The Star reports that 2 4-man SAS teams went in, with a further group laying back as a quick reaction force in case anything went wrong.
>The sniper teams lay in wait for over 12 hours until their target appeared in the camp grounds. As the ISIS leader performed his gruesome lesson, one of the SAS snipers took him out. The students in the ISIS class proceeded to panic and flee for cover. The SAS team quietly infiltrated out of the area.
>the SAS sniper used a DAN .338 rifle one fitted with a sound suppressor / flash hider. In a 2014 story, the paper reported that both the SAS and SBS were considering adoption of this Israeli-made sniper rifle.
The polymer feels like shit
I have the tavor 7.
I wanted it for the 20" barrel and the compact size. It's heavy, but the weight is balanced and if i was a little b***h about it i'd be shopping for .22s instead.
I'm not intending to do any kind of sharp shooting with this gun, I just wanted to maximize 308 for armor penetrating purposes and rib cracking. I do enjoy shooting it, but in honesty its for people I dislike, not much else to it. Yes I'm aware there are level 4 armor plates that will stop it, that is what AP 30-06 and larger is for, but what I do know is most people arent wearing level 4 plates, most people aren't even wearing 3+, many people think they are dealing with at worse at 556 and pistol calibers.
Will I ever shoot a person with it? I hope not, but I'm sure as hell prepared to and thats the gun I intend to use. I just wish there was more 3rd party support for it like the previous tavors.
did they change the handguard? i always hated how this handguard looks
it's aftermarket i think
the Galil was a reverse engineered AK right? is it better in every way? I want a IWI Galil and I can afford one but I want to justify it to myself before I fork out the cash
Gucci prices for mediocre products.
Nothing IWI makes is necessarily bad, but none of it really offers anything that other guns won't do better for half the price.
I am surprised this thread hasn't died.
>t. OP
My negative is that I wish they sold one with a wood furniture set, top picatinny rail, and aluminum lower/magwell. Sort of an old meets new hybrid that dumped the goofy aesthetics of the ACE.
>What negative things can you say about their products?
The Jericho 941 now has traditional rifling, nitride barrel (vs polygonal stainless), two piece slide system, and steel frames cast in Vietnam. New purchased pistols and magazines reported for having FTE/FTF issues requiring warranty work. Could be Panda Mambo or they just don't give a shit anymore about a niche market pistol
Damn ya. Why couldn't ya let me reach page 10?
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