Weapons that have had their reputation undeservedly sullied by memes or myths

Or for any other silly reasons like ordnance incompetence or grunts coping about their skill.
I'll start.

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    In Hell Let Loose that thing requires 2 shots for 1 kill. Absolutely useless.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      wait till you can one tap tojos

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/lHJq0he.png

      Or for any other silly reasons like ordnance incompetence or grunts coping about their skill.
      I'll start.

      In post scriptum the iron sights are so small you can't see anything through them but if you bump the ranging out to 300m you can just fire over the top if you aim a bit low.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Absolute CQC beast in that game though.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Same in Rising Storm 1. It's a lot better in Rising Storm 2 though

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It sucks in RS2 too requiring CNS or heart shots in order not to lose 1v1s immediately. Possibly realistic but idk.
        The M2 is great in RS2 though because no recoil and you can just spam .30C for a kill

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I remember it more for the range being better plus the 30 rounders.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's great for the 30 round clip, just spray and you'll get a kill. It's my go to during early war campaign since the VC don't have AKs.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    decent rifle just hated by non anglos

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Does the A2 actually get that much hate? I thought it was pretty exclusively regulated to the actual piece of shit, A1.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes. The A2 fixed the reliability problems but its still a mediocre rifle even when it does work.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        A2 is good enough, just its role is redundant
        >designed to be a compact rifle for mounted combat
        >procurement of a shit tonne of IFVs never happens
        the SA80 is a relic of a pivot in British doctrine that ultimately failed to launch
        it's also front heavy without any bells and whistles on it
        A3 is a great rifle, but it's existence is inexcusable as the MoD wanted either the Diemaco C8 or the Steyr AUG but were overruled by the bureaucrats who wanted 1,000 years of BAE Systems domination

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Too bad the A3 is the ugliest SA80

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It still is an overly bulky, non-ambidexterous, uninnovative piece of shit.
        Just because the Germans finally made it reliable, doesn't chance that the L85 itself is a civilian tier gun that shouldn't have been adopted by a military.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I've seen British servicemen complain about the L85. One of them pointed out that, "its the only 5.56 rifle to be heavier than the .308 rifle it replaced"

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's 'decent' if you pretend being worse than every other service rifle in NATO is decent. Like sure, it's better than a bolt action, but that doesn't make it good. Does it have any features at all that make better than any other service rifle?

      No.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Does the A2 actually get that much hate? I thought it was pretty exclusively regulated to the actual piece of shit, A1.

        https://i.imgur.com/8DrwKZx.jpg

        decent rifle just hated by non anglos

        It's not bad but its not great. It's got a long barrel, it's accurate and sort overall length and it works just fine. You get used to the weight since it balances quite well and the manual of arms since your using it all the time.
        Will I miss it when it's gone? Probably not, does it desperately need replacing? Not really.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The L22A2 needs to get more love

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            alright, go on then

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I've known of this configuration for ages and it's still somewhat amusing to me that the only game that's officially featured it to this day is Killing Floor.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It's actually in Squad too. It was in PR but I suppose that doesn't count as official. Should have put it in Insurgency Sandstorm, frankly

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It's actually in Squad too. It was in PR but I suppose that doesn't count as official. Should have put it in Insurgency Sandstorm, frankly

              It's in 7.62 High Calibre

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It looks like some weird frankenstein thing, but it's barrel is only 2" shorter than an M4 Carbine but the whole package is around 10" shorter than it, actually a good little SBR.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >"decent rifle"
      >t.said by homosexuals in perpetual denial who would take a bullet for a country that would throw them in jail over a silly video of your dog being racist

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The A1 was such an abortion (at least the first Enfield batch) that it's inevitable the subsequent iterations get heaps of shit.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No worse than the M16, tbh.
        It's fortunate that UK wasn't fighting any wars when it was introduced or it would have been worse.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The M16 was a great gun that was literally being sabotaged on purpose.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >on purpose
            Magazines were the biggest problem with the initial M16. Procurement issuing shit mags is not a new phenomenon and I don't think it was on purpose.
            Hell, even after they upgraded them from being COMPLETE garbage, I still wouldn't have called them "good" mags. They didn't get truly "good" until the Magpul followers.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              No way. Biggest problem was that the military used a propellant Colt and Stoner both told them was unsuitable and would cause failures. It did. That was the single biggest problem.

              Second problem was lack of issuing cleaning kits.

              Third is lack of chrome lining.

              Magazines weren't nearly as good as they are today, but they were far from the top problem. One issue is people's experience with magazines with older followers is they're all surplus and old as shit.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            SA80 was a great gun that was literally being sabotaged on purpose.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's backwards.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Anything made by CSoy I mean CZ

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The only "sullied" reputation the M1/M2 Carbine has is it's performance in freezing weather. I've tested the M1 Carbine in negative 15F and it does freeze up easy.
    >ask uncle about stopping power
    >he just said to shoot them until they dropped

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There's a lot of fudd lore about lack of stopping power in Korea. I think it was just GI's missing and blaming the gun. A tale as old as time.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The only "sullied" reputation the M1/M2 Carbine has is it's performance in freezing weather. I've tested the M1 Carbine in negative 15F and it does freeze up easy.
        >ask uncle about stopping power
        >he just said to shoot them until they dropped

        The fudd lore is a combination of GI cope and the Carbine being issued more frequently than the Garand during the Korean War. So the Carbine started getting used at ranges intended for the Garand, where its essentially oversized .357 mag cartridge was gonna start struggling.
        For the engagement ranges the Carbine was designed for, it was excellent. Poor performance at rifleman ranges in the Korean War stained its rep a little.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          How is it an oversized .357 when it's literally .30

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Oversized in length, it's got a lot more ass behind it than a .357. Its ballistics are just most comparable to .357 but with significantly more range.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous
            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Total energy. The .30 Carbine is a hot .357 Magnum.

              The .30 Carbine as some superhot .357 Mag equivalent isn't really true.
              Those were always comparing .357 from a pistol barrel to .30 carbine from a rifle.
              The .357 Mag is a more powerful cartridge.
              .30 Carbine is 110gr @ 2000FPS from an 18" barrel.
              Almost every .357 Mag out there will push a heavier projectile the same speed or faster than that.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Total energy. The .30 Carbine is a hot .357 Magnum.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Whilst it was obviously an awful design at first that resulted in America losing the Vietnam war, it was good that they took the time and effort to resolve the issues with it and now it's just as competent as near any other rifle.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this is a really good bait post, or a really new newbie.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >that resulted in America losing the Vietnam war
      You're such a moron. Yes we lost the Vietnam war but the M16A1 getting raped by the US Army Ordnance Corps wasn't the reason we lost.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        moron

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How did the M1 carbine lose the V-N War? The ARVN liked it.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Whilst it was obviously an awful design at first that resulted in America losing the Vietnam war,
      Jesus christ what are you trying to catch? Moby dick?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The M4 needed more time in the oven.
      The carbine length gas system was a huge engineering mistake indicative of there being no real plan or preparation for the M4 going from small batch issue to full adoption by everyone. Let alone the deranged barrel profile.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Isn't she beautiful? A few problems at first, but they weren't her fault. She will always be my baby.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >still suffers the same issues decades after
      OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOF

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        the A1 fixed most of the issues with the original one

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No it fricking didn't stop coping.
          >reeeeeeeeeeee
          Cool, now ask yourself why nobody else ever adopted or copied the design.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >No it fricking didn't stop coping.
            Yes it did. And the majority of the rifle's problems weren't even from the design to begin with, but from intentional sabotage by the Ordnance department who knew they were out of a job if the rifle succeeded. They were right, the Ordnance department closed in 1968.
            >Cool, now ask yourself why nobody else ever adopted
            But they did. Canada, the USA, New Zealand, Denmark, the UK, Australia, Israel, and the Taliban all use the rifle extensively.
            >or copied the design.
            Huh? There are hundreds of companies making AR-15s. Even if we just limit to guns with major government contracts we have
            >Colt
            >FN
            >Zbroyar
            >Diemaco
            >Daniel Defense
            >Remington
            >Bushmaster
            >Smith and Wesson
            >BCM
            >Ruger
            >SIG
            >Armalite
            >IWI
            >Knight's Armament
            >Lewis Machine and Tool
            >Precision Reflex International
            >Noveske
            And that's not even counting the dozens of companies that just make some parts but not complete rifles.

            It's the most copied rifle of all time. What you should be saying is "why isn't anybody copying other guns" and the answer is they suck. When someone wants to make a new piston rifle/AR18 they first start by redesigning the entire gun, because it's dogshit. When someone wants to make an AR-15, they just make a fricking AR-15 because it doesn't need fixed.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Swallowing the bait THIS hard
              Anon...

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm gonna frickin deepthroat that bait and you can't stop me

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >reeeee sabo-
              No.
              >reeeeee copied
              No.
              >most copied rifle of all time
              >looks at AK47
              HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >looks at AK
                >every single (very slow) evolution they copy new features from the AR

                by 2050 if Russia is still around the AK will be a DI rifle

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >reeeeee
                >doesn't show the 9001 Ukrainian concripts killed by AK's
                Lol, lamo.
                >dosen't post the machine guns based on the AK
                Cope.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous
              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >/k/eddit during the Veitnam
                >the NorthVietnamese will lose!
                >/k/eddit during Afghanistan
                >the Taliban will lose!
                >/k/eddit during Ukraine
                >the Russians will lose!
                Your track record isn't good.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah bro, aren't you glad to be on the winning side?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >/k/eddit during Tet
                >aReNT yOu gLaD tO bE oN tHe wInNiNG sIdE
                Keep coping.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >muh tet offensive
                It's crazy how thirdies think Vietnam is some major own they have against the US, when if you guys fought it, it would be the most glorious victory you ever achieved.

                The Vietnamese lost more people during the Tet Offensive than America did in the entire war.

                [...]
                >multicam
                >Russian
                Man this board is fricking moronic.

                >Nooo that's a Ukrainian!
                Yes, they are Russian. Here's a video of Ukraine taking the trench months later in fact. The same dead bodies are still there.

                This is what winning looks like.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Frick it, ziggers need educated so I'll post the whole thing.


                1:56 here we see the first drone strikes on the 'suicide hole'
                https://files.catbox.moe/2fehsp.MP4
                1:36 suicide hole #2, note the dead body there. He's going to be there a while.

                Yeah bro, aren't you glad to be on the winning side?

                The suicide hole webm related earning it its name. Our friend is still lying outside, his comrade inside joins him in the afterlife.

                2:38 return to suicide hole. The dead are still there. The fricked up part is the guy who committed suicide in the webm, he's still there. But he's halfway out. He lived and crawled his ass halfway out the hole before succumbing.

                00:32 and finally Ukrainian forces are securing the trench at least a month later. The same corpses are still there unmoved

                No Russian will ever know who these men were who died crawling in mud and killed themselves. They will never care that they fought and died in a foreign land for no reason. Killing yourself after you are abandoned, knowing nobody will come to reinforce you, or help you when you are wounded. Dying surrounded by rotting corpses stacked outside of your hole. This is what winning looks like.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                NTA but
                >posting as an exampke a conflict where one side ultimately prevailed by being infinitely supplied by another side that didn’t risk a single soldier
                Zero (0) brain activity up there m8
                Like, the house is there, but there’s no lights on.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >/pol/troon during ww2
                >hitler will win
                >/pol/troon during cw
                >soviets will win
                >/pol/troon during gaza
                >hamas will win
                We can play like that all day, but you'll lose

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >WW2
                >a country smaller than Texas holding off 3/4th's of the world with 1/10th the resources for 4 years
                This is not the own you think it is.
                >Cold War
                >thinking literal leftist commies are /misc/
                HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
                >Gaza
                >a nation with no industry, no backers, and 1/5th the population utterly embarrassing its opponent
                Keep going.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >This is not the own you think it is.
                >man gets hit by a train
                >brags it took an entire train to stop him

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >man hit by train
                >holds back train for 3/4ths of mile
                Do you not understand scale?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >holds back train for 3/4ths of miles
                more like splattered on impact
                the axis had already proven incapable of defeating just the soviets, their advance was checked at moscow in 1942, and suffered major losses against them at stalingrad and kursk
                the addition of the western allies ensured the germans were absolutely demolished instead merely beaten

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >holding off 3/4th's of the world with 1/10th the resources for 4 years
                Trust a /misc/homosexual to have no fricking idea what happened in WWII. The western allies didn't even launch an offensive in Europe until 6 June 1944. Less than a year later Hitler would already kill himself and Germany would surrender. Despite having four years to prepare, Germany barely offered even token resistance for a few on the Western Front, against properly trained and equipped first worlders, before they crumpled into a pathetic and continuous retreat.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >forgets Italy
                >forgets the MASSIVE air campaign against Germany
                Man /k/eddit these days.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >/misc/ now claims Italy is a legitimate part of Europe
                What's next? Mediterraneans are white? At least you used to be edgy. Now you're just sad and stupid.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Italy
                >called by Churchill as the "soft underbelly of Europe"
                >turns into a meat grinder
                /k/eddit at it again.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Churchill
                I like him, but he made mistakes and this was one of them; Italy was a murderous slog all the way up from the boot and led to a dead end
                the one good thing it did was draw every able Jagdgeschwader from the East into combat; so that the cream of the Luftwaffe died in Italy rather than at Normandy

                >muh soft underbelly
                the old boy had a fine turn of phrase, truly one of the icons of the English language, but he was prone to exaggeration for the purpose of galvanising the nation

                every defeat was, conveyed in elegant terms, ZOMFG GAME OVER MAN THIS IS DIRE PULL TOGETHER OR DIE

                every victory was HOLY SHIT LAST STAND AGAINST OVERWHELMING ODDS EPIC WIN BROOO

                fine stuff, but don't take it literally

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I love this German propaganda post about the Italian invasion, because it honestly wasn't even wrong.
                The invasion was a meatgrinder that took forever to gain any territory. Compared to the Eastern Front where armies raged fast and over massive distances, Italy was almost WW1 level of slow advances.
                By the time Germany surrendered people were still in the middle of fighting in Italy.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >it honestly wasn't even wrong
                it took 2 months to get from Sword Beach to the Falaise Pocket, a distance of 45km
                Berlin is 1,000km away
                by that logic, the Allies would only reach Berlin in April 1948
                doesn't work that way
                >By the time Germany surrendered people were still in the middle of fighting in Italy
                By the time Japan surrendered Malaya was still occupied, it means the Allies were thousands of miles away from the Home Islands amirite?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That is wrong though, they were around the top 1946 at the start of 1945. And I'm sure the Germans would have rather had those forces tied down in Italy to spare on another front, they had like 18 divisions tied down there. It was a massive logistical drain they couldn't maintain.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Italy
                The allies took less than three months to take Italy out of the war, secure all of the relevant airfields and ports on the Peninsula, and then leave the Italians to form a force to tie down multiple German divisions in the north of Italy. The Germans didn't hold back the Allies in Italy at all, geography did: I know you're fricking dumb, but do you really think the Allies should have tried to invade Germany over the Alps?

                Less than a year from war in Western Europe starting to Germany folding. An absolutely pathetic showing.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >n-no geography!
                >a few divisions of second rate troops cause the west to start destroying monuments
                Pathetic.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >a few divisions of second rate troops cause the west to start destroying monuments
                the italians were absolutely demolished by the allies and they were pretty much unable to stop the allies from pressing up to central italy

                the only reason they stopped is because central italy is virtually all mountain easy to defend
                which they were able to push through anyways

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >confusing Germans with Italians
                What in the frick are you babbling about Martinez Gomez?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >start a war with 3/4 of the world
                >hahaha why did it take so many of you to beat me
                is this the power of /misc/intellectuals

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                /misc/ would rather support brown muslim communists than actual Nazis nowadays.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah bro, aren't you glad to be on the winning side?

                >multicam
                >Russian
                Man this board is fricking moronic.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Unironically a great rifle only hampered by moronic M855 and forever shit on by neckbeard contrarians because their pet wunderwaffe memegun no. 14,638 was totally so much better.
                If you want to dab on people at 800m we had a tool for that, it was called "get the designated marksman to kill it".

                >Man this board is fricking moronic.
                Psst, kid.
                Yeah you with the Dunning-Kruger.
                Want to buy some self-awareness?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              A lot of it’s initial problems was the Army switching from IMR powder to ball. The ammo was shipped to V-N without prior testing. Different pressure curve and ball powder burns dirtier. Also a problem with packaging.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      7/10
      reciprocating top mounted charging handle for 9/10
      drop .22 long for 10/10

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't know enough to know if it's a meme so I'll ask, do G36s really have an issue with melting? I hear it almost every time the rifle's service comes up.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No, it might have happened once or twice during sustained firing in Afganistan where the background temperature was already 50 C/ 122 F and the woman in the defence ministry decided to make replacing it a flagship policy of hers because she had nothing else to do.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The barrel's mounting is polymer, resulting in it warping and affect zero.
      What people neglect about this fact is that it only starts doing this after hundreds of consecutive rounds put through it within a single "session" of shooting.
      To compare it to an AR, after only a hundred or so more rounds after the point a G36 will start warping, an AR's gas tube will start lighting on fire.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The grunts who said .30 Carbine couldn't penetrate winter coats during the Korean War are absolutely moronic.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That 1 tard with the bootleg grouping meme and just fools who fell for the antisemitism meme.
    >Honorable mention: The FNX-45 and that moron who's trapped in 2014 thinking all of their frames just do that

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Just because Israel makes good guns doesn't make I don't also want to see them burn into the sand.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I would prefer to see the entire Arabian Peninsula, in an act of the gods, with no warning, sink 500 feet under the Mediterranean Sea.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Fair, but that also means the US government wouldn't have a region that's extremely easy to incite conflict in and justify the XBOXHUEG defense budget by responding to.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I think BRIC will help out in keeping the MIC afloat.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Tavor's accuracy is legendarily ass.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The M3 deserve better. It was a decent tank considering when, how and why it was made and used.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      most of its reputation seems to be post-war, since people just heaped praise after praise on it for having a 75mm gun at a time when the british still had the 40mm 2-pdr and the germans either the 37mm or 50mm gun

      it was phased out as a medium tank in favor of the M4 way before its hull-mounted gun because an issue

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I just like it because it looks like it belongs in metal slug or something

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This
      It was the Spitfire of El Alamein, except it never got the glory of the Spit.

      most of its reputation seems to be post-war, since people just heaped praise after praise on it for having a 75mm gun at a time when the british still had the 40mm 2-pdr and the germans either the 37mm or 50mm gun

      it was phased out as a medium tank in favor of the M4 way before its hull-mounted gun because an issue

      >it was phased out
      Yes, but until it was, it held the line brilliantly.
      There's no higher praise than the fact that at one point, Eighth Army's strength was measured in how many M3s were operational on that day.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Beretta M9

    The only problem with it was they were worn to shit military issued ones. Also not plastic and railed up so not cool to tactical buttfrickers

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i want one, one issue i could see is the open-ish action causing problems in very dirty or dusty environments.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's an over sized pistol round jammed into a rifle sized weapon using a undersized pistol round. It'll kill someone, but that's not really the metric weapons are judged by. You can kill someone with a rock. I mean this weapon would be a rock star at killing school children. It's no where near as good as most other weapons

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Tiger I. Great heavy tank that had its reputation distorted first by Wehraboos exaggarating its capabilities and then by haters denying its capabilities in response.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >homosexuals only able to think in hyperbole
      A tale as old as time.

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Those keyholes were practice ammo! Practice ammo!

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >tfw no qt blue-top to carry off as a war trophy.
      Feelsbadman.jpg

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I’ll say the Mini-14. They are excellent rifle. People just frame them wrong because the inevitable comparison to the AR-15 occurs. At the time of its release in the 70s, most everyday gun owners didn’t have an AR-15. You basically had to get a Colt SP-1 and it was expensive. The Mini-14 was reliable, practical, and familiar to the majority of gun owners at the time. It was a utilitarian rifle for farmers and ranchers to have on hand for pest control, it could also double for personal defense. Back during its hey day in the 70s and 80s, “minute of pie plate” was considered perfectly acceptable for anyone but a bench shooter. What’s worse is that Ruger even fixed a lot of the criticisms, such as accuracy (tapered barrel on post-580 serial numbers) and optic mounting. Bill Ruger’s political cuckoldry notwithstanding, it was a good all around rifle that managed to survive unmolested through the AWB. Once that lifted and the market for AR-15s exploded, it quit making sense to buy a rifle that used proprietary magazines and cost 3x as much as the lowest quality AR (even if you were still getting 3x the rifle as an early 2000s poverty pony). Today it has become an oddity loved by fudds and hipster contrarians. But it doesn’t deserve the hate it gets and is really a good rifle. There are ones from the 70s, warts and all, still running. The problem is really that what we expected and consider acceptable has changed dramatically since 1973. The best thing Ruger could do to keep the model alive would be a major redesign to allow STANAG magazines. This wouldn’t be easy and financially doesn’t make sense for them, so it will continue to putter into obscurity.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >This wouldn’t be easy and financially doesn’t make sense for them
      Sounds like total nonsense. Changing magazines isn't that hard and mini-14 mags aren't even that different from STANAGs. People redesign the AR-15 to take AK magazines. It's totally doable. Ruger has had 50 years to do it.
      >People just frame them wrong because the inevitable comparison to the AR-15 occurs.
      That's not really "framing it wrong" it's framing it the only way that is sensible.
      >had to get a Colt SP-1 and it was expensive.
      Now I am not an expert on vintage gun prices, but the Colt SP1 retailed for $194.50 in 1969. The Mini-14 released in 1973 for $200. Now a lot can change in 4 years but I don't think the Colt was drastically more expensive and it makes sense, steel receivers and wood stocks are more expensive especially when Colt had their lines up and running to mass produce the M16.
      >the rest
      Is literally cope. "ah it's not as accurate as an AR but it's good enough!" Come on man.

      It's worse than an AR15 and always has been, always will be, in just about every way. But you like it anyway and that's ok.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Ruger even fixed a lot of the criticisms, such as accuracy (tapered barrel on post-580 serial numbers)
      They turned an 8 MOA gun into a 2 MOA gun and by this time we already had AR-15 cheaper than the Mini-14 (and those cheap AR-15 all had lower MOA).

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