ITT: Guns that makes you think "What the frick were they thinking?"
Hard mode: No Keltec or Cali-compliant guns
ITT: Guns that makes you think "What the fuck were they thinking?". Hard mode: No Keltec or Cali-compliant guns
ITT: Guns that makes you think "What the frick were they thinking?"
Hard mode: No Keltec or Cali-compliant guns
>terrible ergos
>shitty wire stock
>slamfire, so long dwell time
>open bolt single shot
OP here. no Cobray either. That slipped my mind
in the case of the sten, its pretty reasonable
they wanted a lot of automatic weapons really quickly and what they got was a steel pipe filled with bullets
the US couldnt build thompsons fast enough, the mass-producible M1A1 wasnt ready until late 1942, and their existing lanchester gun wasnt any easier to build
Its no secret what they were thinking, the problem is they let things get so bad that the Sten was necessary. They could have been churning out a respectable MP18 copy en masse when WW1 was still going on, but they waited decades and bought a handful of Thompsons and then lost many of them in a dramatic fashion, and were then left effectively broke and with an urgent need for a lot of SMGs. And thats basically what the STEN is, an MP18 made by a guy who left his homework assignment until monday morning and had to throw together what he had in the 10 minutes before class starts. The lanchester is obviously a much closer replica, but they couldnt afford it in much quantity even after a bunch of cost-cutting features.
>the US couldnt build thompsons fast enough
It wasn't strictly a supply issue, its that Auto Ordnance were gouging them and they had already paid gold bullion for the ones they had. In principle more Thompsons could have been acquired to replace the ones lost at Dunkirk, but they would have had to melt down the crown israeliteels to do it and there were just more important things to spend money on.
they were thinking there's a fricking war going on and every hunk of scrap metal needs to be used for the war effort, the cheaper the better. Every single country who fought in WW2 had a sten equivalent.
>Every single country who fought in WW2 had a sten equivalent.
Name one, moron. Most of the countries didnt even have an SMG even, more or less a dirt cheaply made gun
I know you guys are saying "BUT THEY NEEDED GUNS IN A HURRY" but the big reason wasnt the war. Its because the fricking morons behind the british military never thought of making an SMG until the war began and realized they fricked up. Thats why no other country had a "sten" equivalent
Germany, US, Russia.
The owen gun, the PPSH and PPS lines, the M3, the hungarian 44M, the fricking mp40 was a pipe gun just fancier. EVERYONE had cheapo SMG's, everyone WANTED cheapo SMG's, because why spend thompson prices on a 9mm vomiter when you can spend sten prices. moron.
>why spend thompson prices when you can spend sten prices
but you'll be a poooorgay
Funny thing is that every single one of those were better than the Sten in every aspect except economy of scale and IIRC, both PPSh-41 and PPS-43 were produced in cities under siege by the Germans. What's the British excuse for the Sten?
Poverty and other competing priorities. It worked well enough for purpose so precisely what bothers you about the thing? War tools are tools not autspergic art works. It was good enough that making it better wasn't important.
>What's the British excuse for the Sten?
i can make like a greggillion in my water pipe factory and give them to the free french
>What's the British excuse for the Sten?
Britain was supplying USSR with material it could have used for itself?
>both PPSh-41 and PPS-43 were produced in cities under siege by the Germans
Yeah Moscow, when the Germans were a good 10 miles away and the seige lasted a whole 3 months
>EVERYONE had cheapo SMG's, everyone WANTED cheapo SMG's
That's untrue. Everyone wanted them but not every country had them.
M3 grease gun, pps43, mp3008 (a near one for one copy of the sten)
>Name one, moron
the soviets quickly adopted the PPSH because its stamped construction was way cheaper
the US also introduced the M3 grease gun, a stamped steel SMG that could be built quickly and at low cost, to replace the M1A1 thompson, itself a cheapened, mass producible variant of the original interwar tommy gun
and then near the end of the war had the even cheaper, even more basic PPS-43
germans started the war with the MP40, also a cheap stamped SMG intended to replace the more expensive predecessor, and while never down to the same crudeness of the sten was still made for similar reasons
only the italians and japanese didnt have el cheapo SMGs
the former because they had a smaller army than germany and had as many SMGs, so never ran into shortages of it
and the latter because the navy hoovered up all the resources and left none for SMG development of any kind
poor bait but morons will bite anything on /k/
not really, that post could have easily been made by some clueless moron. it's impossible to tell unless the bait is real egregious
>Name one
Germany
Mp3008 was literally sten but worse
The only ones that didn't were the Japanese.
Type 100? Or was it 99?
Never widely issued AFAIK
only about 10,000 type 100s were made, which was their most produced SMG
this was an intentional choice early in the war, since they didnt have the doctrine for it and didnt prioritize it, so they were specialty weapons only issued on request, such as by paratroopers
the late war variant, while only produced in small quantities due to how late it arrived in the war, does follow the history of the sten gun
close combat in the jungle revealed the need for compact automatic weapons
so the type 100 was redesigned to be much easier and faster to produce so they could equip more men with it, it was a crude weapon but adequate for spraying at an enemy in the jungle
so the japanese came to the same conclusion as everyone else, a cheap SMG that could be issued in large quantity, they just arrived at it too late for it to make a difference
It's well documented what they were thinking. They were thinking "we need a cheap as frick smg that can be shat out in garage machine shops"
>ITT: OP images for my next dozen "What the hell were they thinking?" slide threads
The least you can do is be honest about it, OP.
what
Sorry not sorry your bumfight threads got slid
P365
Why the frick did we need another polymer double stack striker gun with no aesthetic appeal
Zip 22 is awful. Hey lets put the safety extremely close to the exposed barrel.
The safety's right in front of the trigger guard. Literally the least horrible part of it.
what a cool guy.
>Lets sell off our single action revolver equipment to go all in on this plastic brick gun that hasn't even been properly tested yet
Literally had a key to suck up boomer cash straight from their banks and he throws it away to get into the tacticool 22 market that was dominated at the time by 10/22 dress up kits, m&p 15-22s, and umarex in general with their LICENSED rifles and handguns to look like a 9mm or 5.55 gun.
>we need half a million guns
>we need them NOW
that's what they were thinking
and type 11
Smith and Wesson with their 9MM carbine. I don't think the market was screaming for yet another PCC that doesn't even do anything special.
Eh, looks like a product improved Kel-tec, but you’re right nothing that interesting about it, just combining features from other manufacturers.
The foldable S&W an improvement over the Kel Tec because you can fold/close it even if it has an optic. The Kel Tec you had to remove the optic or accept that you'll never fold the gun again.
Kel Tec just released the Gen 3 Sub2000 that rotates the barrel and forend 90 degrees so you can keep your optic on.
Took them a long time, that was one of the biggest complaints since gen 1 (along with front iron sight falling off).
Idk my dad wont stop talking about it
(I'm not buying it for him)
utilitarian SMGs are bad-ass, OP.
the only real knock on the sten is the side-feeder but the rationale is that you can lay on the ground and use it without the magazine causing you to raise your profile.
Colt 2000.