ITT: Guns that makes you think "What the fuck were they thinking?". Hard mode: No Keltec or Cali-compliant guns

ITT: Guns that makes you think "What the frick were they thinking?"

Hard mode: No Keltec or Cali-compliant guns

250 Piece Survival Gear First Aid Kit

LifeStraw Water Filter for Hiking and Preparedness

250 Piece Survival Gear First Aid Kit

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >terrible ergos
    >shitty wire stock
    >slamfire, so long dwell time
    >open bolt single shot

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      OP here. no Cobray either. That slipped my mind

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    in the case of the sten, its pretty reasonable
    they wanted a lot of automatic weapons really quickly and what they got was a steel pipe filled with bullets
    the US couldnt build thompsons fast enough, the mass-producible M1A1 wasnt ready until late 1942, and their existing lanchester gun wasnt any easier to build

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Its no secret what they were thinking, the problem is they let things get so bad that the Sten was necessary. They could have been churning out a respectable MP18 copy en masse when WW1 was still going on, but they waited decades and bought a handful of Thompsons and then lost many of them in a dramatic fashion, and were then left effectively broke and with an urgent need for a lot of SMGs. And thats basically what the STEN is, an MP18 made by a guy who left his homework assignment until monday morning and had to throw together what he had in the 10 minutes before class starts. The lanchester is obviously a much closer replica, but they couldnt afford it in much quantity even after a bunch of cost-cutting features.

      >the US couldnt build thompsons fast enough
      It wasn't strictly a supply issue, its that Auto Ordnance were gouging them and they had already paid gold bullion for the ones they had. In principle more Thompsons could have been acquired to replace the ones lost at Dunkirk, but they would have had to melt down the crown israeliteels to do it and there were just more important things to spend money on.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    they were thinking there's a fricking war going on and every hunk of scrap metal needs to be used for the war effort, the cheaper the better. Every single country who fought in WW2 had a sten equivalent.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Every single country who fought in WW2 had a sten equivalent.
      Name one, moron. Most of the countries didnt even have an SMG even, more or less a dirt cheaply made gun

      I know you guys are saying "BUT THEY NEEDED GUNS IN A HURRY" but the big reason wasnt the war. Its because the fricking morons behind the british military never thought of making an SMG until the war began and realized they fricked up. Thats why no other country had a "sten" equivalent

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Germany, US, Russia.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        The owen gun, the PPSH and PPS lines, the M3, the hungarian 44M, the fricking mp40 was a pipe gun just fancier. EVERYONE had cheapo SMG's, everyone WANTED cheapo SMG's, because why spend thompson prices on a 9mm vomiter when you can spend sten prices. moron.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >why spend thompson prices when you can spend sten prices
          but you'll be a poooorgay

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Funny thing is that every single one of those were better than the Sten in every aspect except economy of scale and IIRC, both PPSh-41 and PPS-43 were produced in cities under siege by the Germans. What's the British excuse for the Sten?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Poverty and other competing priorities. It worked well enough for purpose so precisely what bothers you about the thing? War tools are tools not autspergic art works. It was good enough that making it better wasn't important.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >What's the British excuse for the Sten?
            i can make like a greggillion in my water pipe factory and give them to the free french

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >What's the British excuse for the Sten?
            Britain was supplying USSR with material it could have used for itself?

            >both PPSh-41 and PPS-43 were produced in cities under siege by the Germans
            Yeah Moscow, when the Germans were a good 10 miles away and the seige lasted a whole 3 months

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >EVERYONE had cheapo SMG's, everyone WANTED cheapo SMG's
          That's untrue. Everyone wanted them but not every country had them.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        M3 grease gun, pps43, mp3008 (a near one for one copy of the sten)

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Name one, moron
        the soviets quickly adopted the PPSH because its stamped construction was way cheaper
        the US also introduced the M3 grease gun, a stamped steel SMG that could be built quickly and at low cost, to replace the M1A1 thompson, itself a cheapened, mass producible variant of the original interwar tommy gun
        and then near the end of the war had the even cheaper, even more basic PPS-43
        germans started the war with the MP40, also a cheap stamped SMG intended to replace the more expensive predecessor, and while never down to the same crudeness of the sten was still made for similar reasons

        only the italians and japanese didnt have el cheapo SMGs
        the former because they had a smaller army than germany and had as many SMGs, so never ran into shortages of it
        and the latter because the navy hoovered up all the resources and left none for SMG development of any kind

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        poor bait but morons will bite anything on /k/

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          not really, that post could have easily been made by some clueless moron. it's impossible to tell unless the bait is real egregious

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Name one
        Germany
        Mp3008 was literally sten but worse

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The only ones that didn't were the Japanese.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Type 100? Or was it 99?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Never widely issued AFAIK

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              only about 10,000 type 100s were made, which was their most produced SMG
              this was an intentional choice early in the war, since they didnt have the doctrine for it and didnt prioritize it, so they were specialty weapons only issued on request, such as by paratroopers

              the late war variant, while only produced in small quantities due to how late it arrived in the war, does follow the history of the sten gun
              close combat in the jungle revealed the need for compact automatic weapons
              so the type 100 was redesigned to be much easier and faster to produce so they could equip more men with it, it was a crude weapon but adequate for spraying at an enemy in the jungle
              so the japanese came to the same conclusion as everyone else, a cheap SMG that could be issued in large quantity, they just arrived at it too late for it to make a difference

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's well documented what they were thinking. They were thinking "we need a cheap as frick smg that can be shat out in garage machine shops"

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >ITT: OP images for my next dozen "What the hell were they thinking?" slide threads

    The least you can do is be honest about it, OP.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      what

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Sorry not sorry your bumfight threads got slid

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    P365
    Why the frick did we need another polymer double stack striker gun with no aesthetic appeal

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous
  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Zip 22 is awful. Hey lets put the safety extremely close to the exposed barrel.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The safety's right in front of the trigger guard. Literally the least horrible part of it.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        what a cool guy.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Lets sell off our single action revolver equipment to go all in on this plastic brick gun that hasn't even been properly tested yet
      Literally had a key to suck up boomer cash straight from their banks and he throws it away to get into the tacticool 22 market that was dominated at the time by 10/22 dress up kits, m&p 15-22s, and umarex in general with their LICENSED rifles and handguns to look like a 9mm or 5.55 gun.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >we need half a million guns
    >we need them NOW
    that's what they were thinking

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    and type 11

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Smith and Wesson with their 9MM carbine. I don't think the market was screaming for yet another PCC that doesn't even do anything special.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Eh, looks like a product improved Kel-tec, but you’re right nothing that interesting about it, just combining features from other manufacturers.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The foldable S&W an improvement over the Kel Tec because you can fold/close it even if it has an optic. The Kel Tec you had to remove the optic or accept that you'll never fold the gun again.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Kel Tec just released the Gen 3 Sub2000 that rotates the barrel and forend 90 degrees so you can keep your optic on.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Took them a long time, that was one of the biggest complaints since gen 1 (along with front iron sight falling off).

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Idk my dad wont stop talking about it
      (I'm not buying it for him)

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    utilitarian SMGs are bad-ass, OP.
    the only real knock on the sten is the side-feeder but the rationale is that you can lay on the ground and use it without the magazine causing you to raise your profile.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Colt 2000.

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